Anyone Marketing The Electronic Cigarette?

[Matthew Olson]

Anyone here marketing the electronic cigarette?

I started marketing it a couple months ago and was doing pretty well with it. Then the cpa network I was was working with dropped the offer.

I'm looking for a good affilate program or cpa. I checked Offervault and there are a few networks offering it but I've never heard of them. Any suggestions? Can anyone recommend a good affiliate program?

Thanks in advance...

[Steven Fullman]

Matt,

These things are going to be HUGE.

I tried a few models out last year, but they were fraught with mechanical issues.

...hear they're getting better now.

I reckon the various e-cig forums are the best place to market these jobbies at the moment...it's still an underground movement.

Steve

Originally Posted by Matthew Olson

Anyone here marketing the electronic cigarette?

I started marketing it a couple months ago and was doing pretty well with it. Then the cpa network I was was working with dropped the offer.

I'm looking for a good affilate program or cpa. I checked Offervault and there are a few networks offering it but I've never heard of them. Any suggestions? Can anyone recommend a good affiliate program?

Thanks in advance...

[winebuddy]

not marketing it but have tried it - it's pretty cool! Draw on it and it lights up and you get the same sensation you would with a regular cigarette. Then you can just put it in your pocket!

Like I said - pretty cool product.

Would love to find a good CPA or affiliate network to market it with.

[redicelander]

I saw an offer on cxdigital a couple of weeks ago. Not sure if it's still there. I am considering this also.

[David Hooper]

I am hearing a lot of radio ads for them. They've been running for a while, so it might be something to check out.

[J smith]

EA doesn't seem to allow articles with e-cigarette mentioned anymore. had an unrelated article that briefly mentioned electronic cigarettes and it got denied by EA. So that's kind of annoying, though a good reminder that you need to diversify everything about your business.

[Josef_Benjamin]

I have one here I will be promoting soon (to busy now doing other things to focus on actively at the moment)

2 words:

Green Smoke

I think it's CPS or CPA (both?), but they offer generous commishions and life time sales for repeat business.

Looks like a very reputable product, I hear it's actually the best one on the market from much of my own research...but I'm not a smoker myself...

So there ya go, your welcome america

[Matthew Olson]

Originally Posted by Josef_Benjamin

I have one here I will be promoting soon (to busy now doing other things to focus on actively at the moment)

2 words:

Green Smoke

I think it's CPS or CPA (both?), but they offer generous commishions and life time sales for repeat business.

Looks like a very reputable product, I hear it's actually the best one on the market from much of my own research...but I'm not a smoker myself...

So there ya go, your welcome america

Green Smoke does look pretty good... thanks for the tip Josef.

[danhughes]

Like it or not, these things will be massive.

Their current regulation it little to none (I'm sure that will change). They have a very high margin and perceived value.

For (probably) the first time ever, they are a rebill product that customers may actually want to be rebilled

I've even seen POS on them, let alone all the online stuff.

R.J. Reynolds are pushing hard on smoke free tobacco products. Their product is called Camel Snus and in addition to major POS coverage, they are also giving it big print converge too.

Generally speaking, they are being pushed as a product for smokers that are situationally unable to smoke. I can see this changing.

I would bet that there will be some serious interest (and promotions you can run) come the New Year health kick. I know they are not healthy per se, but plenty of people think that Light Cigarettes are healthy, even though that was disproved as least 10 years ago.

We're already testing / optimizing our campaigns in preparation for the new year.

[PatriciaJ]

Haven't found a decent affiliate programme apart from Amazon who I'm doing quite well with. Green Smoke looks interesting but the prices are hiked up. I got my first starter kit for less than half of what they charge and I had 20 more cartridges.

Yes they will be massive. I stopped smoking using them 5 months ago and even after an armed robbery where I work a few weeks back I refused the offer of a tobacco cigarette. Thats how good they have been for me.

The best place to market them is on the street. Everywhere I smoked my ecig I got interest, then gave them my website address. The only negative is the price, most people can't see beyond the cost for a starter pack initailly being higher then a weeks cigs, but then they save far more than that long term.

EZA doesn't allow articles with a link to a website with ecigs on them, they seem to think that they are tobacco products.

[InternetMarketingIQ]

Guilty! I'm doing just fine with them. Promoting several different companies not CPA. What's the point in CPA? Get your visitors on a brand and they will pay residuals each time they buy. CPA is a one time shot.

There is only 1 USA Co I know of... and the FDA is the only thing that will screw up the momentum. $100 million market and growing.

They are not cheap so commissions are good.

I don't know how reputable these things are as they are almost all coming out of China.

[Gene Pimentel]

I think I remember AvenueGirl was or is promoting these as well.

[goldmind123]

There are tough regulations controlling this market:

-Google Adwords doesn't allow it.
-FTC Announced that the harm caused by e cigarettes isn't significantly different from regular cigarettes, so, they are (or going to soon) force these companies to disclose this and to clearly mention that it isn't a"quit smoking" method, as many of those who used it reported that they didn't quit smoking using e cigarettes, on the contrary, some smokers continue to smoke them with regular cigarettes..

I was thinking about promoting them, and I made a test Yahoo search campaign, but as I saw all these troubles I decided to quit

[Michael Mayhew]

MarketLeverage has one paying $36

[Jon Tees]

I sold them in the past to some degree of success. Usually as a small part of my primary business.

[stma]

I've been marketing these for a few months now and started a small resource site for affiliates:

Electronic (e-cig) Cigarette Affiliate Center

I'd stay away from the CPA ads - you can do a lot better in the long run with re-orders. Only a couple companies pay on re-orders though.

[trishworks4u]

I promote these with a little success but there are ton of limitations. As others have said, no EA. I had it out with them b/c they have other e-cig articles in their database but they said they were "grandfathered in".

Also, it would only take one swipe of the FDA hand to wipe out this entire niche overnight. That scares me a lot. There was an FDA embargo 4 months ago that shut this whole industry down for about 45 days.

No Google adwords although some seem to get around it to an extent. The niche is getting very competitive and the best way to market is through forums as someone else said. There are the other article directories as well.

[goldmind123]

Originally Posted by trishworks4u

I promote these with a little success but there are ton of limitations. As others have said, no EA. I had it out with them b/c they have other e-cig articles in their database but they said they were "grandfathered in".

Also, it would only take one swipe of the FDA hand to wipe out this entire niche overnight. That scares me a lot. There was an FDA embargo 4 months ago that shut this whole industry down for about 45 days.

No Google adwords although some seem to get around it to an extent. The niche is getting very competitive and the best way to market is through forums as someone else said. There are the other article directories as well.

Does it really worth it?

Well, I am a smoker myself, but will you feel comfortable promoting cigarettes with all the health issues related to it?
By the way, the health risks related to cigarettes aren't only about tar and carcinogenic components, nicotine (which is found in e cigarettes) is harmful by itself and causes major health problems..
I think this is a type of niche that will be viewed differently by different people.

[SeanSupplee]

Ive seen it promoted but I wont even dip my hands into it for personal reasons. To me it looks like this is going to cause a ton of issues for people who do promote it if not now def later on. I think its a losing battle from the start way to main hurtles to over come. 1. The price 2. Only can be bought only from what I know most people that smoke now just go grab a pack at the gas station not order them online. 3. Popularity there is no one big using them. If a celebrity started using them or someone of importance they would get that boost they need to catch on. But right now your going to struggle with it big time. Personally I look at this product negativly.

[avenuegirl]

Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel

I think I remember AvenueGirl was or is promoting these as well.

Maybe.

Can you spell propylene glycol?

[JasonP]

I'm currently promoting this offer, through eliteclicksmedia it doesn't convert well, and I rank on first page of google for EVERY term related to free e-cigarette trial.

[tresfavian]

It is getting hard to market - many sites are closing the electronic cigarette down. It's a damn shame. FDA, Big Tobacco and even Medical Institutes don't want to see e cigs take over. Money out of their pockets! But they really are less harmful than analogs. Its worth fighting for !!

Word of mouth and showing the product really works in getting ppl to buy them. I'm getting started and struggling to promote this online. Sure would like any others interested in helping the cause to join as an affilliate under me if interested to help ppl get off toxic cigarettes- I promote the better ecig Green Smoke - better vapor - better ready made promo materials - a private forum with helpful folks. PM me to help me out and join as an affilliate. I'll help you as well. I've a few testing reports that expose the ingredients. Thanks stma for the wordpress themes - I'll definitely check it out.

[dizen]

yeas ...the allmighty cigarette factories will use all money and power they have to shut this thing off.

[rockfuse]

yeah I heard that they were going to stop the electronic cigarette because of the nicotine.
I think they are making nicotine a controlled substance.

[jesseray]

Dude these Electronic Cigs are awesome. I live in a town where they banned smoking in all bars and no smoking in public places. There is an Israeli dude at my mall that has a business selling these for $100 and up.You can smoke it in doors without any trouble from Authorities. This is a great niche to get into.

[Kay King]

I have several friends using the electronic cigarettes and they swear by them and more are buying them every week. I've been meaning to ask what brand they are using and keep forgetting to - I'll try to get that info this week.

Sell the product, not CPA. There is talk of crackdown by regulators but the crackdown seems to be on the offers sometimes (and the outlandish claims) rather than the physical products as they are available.

Wouldn't it be strange if they banned electronic cigarettes when they don't ban regular ones??? Would I prefer one poison - or 200?

kay

[Michael Motley]

Yes, a couple friends and I have put together about 5 grand to buy product. site is in the sig below. We are doing pretty good business at the local flea markets..usually about 1000-1500 per weekend, not bad considering there isnt a thing we purchased thats over $10

The big issue is the FDA. Right now the FDA is saying they have jurisdiction over ecigs and everyone else is saying no they dont so there is a big fight on that point going on right now. California has been where the biggest battles are going on, with distributors getting product seized. 2 weeks ago schwarzenegger declined to sign a bill that banned ecigs.

The major point of contention is regulation, and I agree to a certain point. The nicotine in most cartridges comes in 4 levels, none, low, med and high. But sometimes none have nic, sometimes lows are highs..etc. So in that respect there needs to be regulation. But the FDA is trying to say that the fluid (ejuice) is a drug because of the nic, and that the ecigs are nicotine delivery device therefore they fall under fda regulation.

But glass pipes in a headshop are a nicotine delivery device as well, yet the fda doesnt regulat those...?

The only places that they arent banned in the world is s. africa, the u.k. and the u.s. But to give you an idea of how fast this is growing, they came out in '03-'04, last year ecigs were a 10mil a year business, this year its about 100 mil

Most of them come out of china, there are some u.s. manufacturers that are usually a bit more expensive, and you can spend 250-300 on one without batting an eye. There are even quite a few that are very customized with jeweled tips..etc.

Our thing is providing u.s. made ejuice with the ecigs. I dont care where they tool is made, i care about where the juice is made because you're inhaling that, and im a little skittish about a place that makes poisoned baby toys/dogfood/wallboard selling me something im inhaling, as are others that use this product and they look for u.s. juice makers.

[sbucciarel]

Originally Posted by dizen

yeas ...the allmighty cigarette factories will use all money and power they have to shut this thing off.

Actually, it will be the FDA who shuts it off, calling it a drug dispenser system (as if nicotine gum or patches aren't the same thing). The cigarette companies could easily profit from this by creating their own e-cigarette device. They already profit from cigarettes, which is another "drug dispenser" that hasn't been banned.

Looks to me more like the FDA hasn't figured out a way to control, regulate and tax it. By banning it, they are putting potentially millions of people in harms way by eliminating a much healthier alternative to smoking the real thing.

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Actually, it will be the FDA who shuts it off, calling it a drug dispenser system (as if nicotine gum or patches aren't the same thing). The cigarette companies could easily profit from this by creating their own e-cigarette device. They already profit from cigarettes, which is another "drug dispenser" that hasn't been banned.

Looks to me more like the FDA hasn't figured out a way to control, regulate and tax it. By banning it, they are putting potentially millions of people in harms way by eliminating a much healthier alternative to smoking the real thing.

not that simple. The cigarette companies dont have the infrastructure in place to build ecigs..but china does. However that means that big tobacco is still losing money and there's no way they are going to be able to build the same type of ecig for the same prices as they do in china. The PV (personal vaporizers) that are coming out of china are 3-4 bucks a pop, the ones in the u.s. are like $99 because they are all custom made.

Vaporizers in general is a growing market with a lot of affiliate networks

[Kay King]

The ecigarettes I see discussed here aren't the one my friends are buying.

The ones they like cost about $100 - and they gladly pay that (cigarettes can be $50 a carton now!) - the delivery system is a small bottle of gold colored clear liquid that costs $5 a bottle and last for a long time.

I really need to find out what that brand is as the customers really like it.

kay

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by Kay King

The ecigarettes I see discussed here aren't the one my friends are buying.

The ones they like cost about $100 - and they gladly pay that (cigarettes can be $50 a carton now!) - the delivery system is a small bottle of gold colored clear liquid that costs $5 a bottle and last for a long time.

I really need to find out what that brand is as the customers really like it.

kay

Your friends are buying a refillable ecigarette. There are two basic kinds. You have the refillable and the disposable. The disposable comes with pre-filled 'filters' that you just push onto the atomizer. The filter is filled with the gold liquid you're talking about, comes in different levels of nic. The refillable ecigs have 'filters' you dont throw away, you just drop the liquid into them. Technicall you can do the same thing with the disposables though. A couple drops of the fluid on the atomizer and there's no difference.

The people that are paying 100+ for their ecigarettes are getting their head smacked. When it comes right down to it, they are all made the same way unless you are getting a customized u.s. model. They are almost all coming out of china and i havent run across a chinese manufacturer yet that is charging more than $16/pc for small orders of even the most high speed looking model they have. Large orders will get those models for 10-13 a pc. So at $100 a whack, your friends are getting scalped. We are getting a new order in this week of the refillables and we're starting to sell the juice as well. Our refillable units are very good looking units and are a popular unit, we're getting them for $14/pc and I would put them up against any $100+ unit any day.

THE manufacturer for the liquids in china is DEKANG. Any chinese man. selling liquid is most likely a dekang reseller.

[sbucciarel]

Originally Posted by goldmind123

Does it really worth it?

Well, I am a smoker myself, but will you feel comfortable promoting cigarettes with all the health issues related to it?
By the way, the health risks related to cigarettes aren't only about tar and carcinogenic components, nicotine (which is found in e cigarettes) is harmful by itself and causes major health problems..
I think this is a type of niche that will be viewed differently by different people.

Actually, it's the smoke and the 4000 other chemicals in cigarettes that are harmful ... not the nicotine

Safety of nicotine: the smoke causes the harm

I'm a smoker and this product appeals to me as an alternative to smoking. Also as a product to promote if I could find a cheaper source than I've run across so far.

[Kay King]

Michael -

I told them the same thing - BUT - and this is an interesting marketing lesson.

They don't believe it. They buy ONE or TWO electronic cigarettes at $100 a pop and they BELIEVE it is better quality. They compare it to buying patches, or nicotine prescriptions or nicotine lozenges and feel they are getting a good deal. If I were selling the cheapies - I'd also be offering the more expensive ones for people like this.

They like the refill ease - they like the style - and they are buying these $100 models like crazy. Not everyone who wants to quit smoking is looking for "cheap" - many are looking for the "impression" of high quality.

kay

[DanRuby]

ive never heard of this before but WOW what a great idea! so simple when you think about it.

ive been a smoker for many years and want to quit, maybe this is the answer. thanks for turning me onto these.

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Michael -

I told them the same thing - BUT - and this is an interesting marketing lesson.

They don't believe it. They buy ONE or TWO electronic cigarettes at $100 a pop and they BELIEVE it is better quality. They compare it to buying patches, or nicotine prescriptions or nicotine lozenges and feel they are getting a good deal. If I were selling the cheapies - I'd also be offering the more expensive ones for people like this.

They like the refill ease - they like the style - and they are buying these $100 models like crazy. Not everyone who wants to quit smoking is looking for "cheap" - many are looking for the "impression" of high quality.

kay

Yeah, thats why we ordered this new line. We will still keep the cheaper models, but for those that equate higher price with a better product, we'll have the more expensive line available.

In most malls around here, the average 'starter kit' is 1 ecig which is 1 battery, one atomizer, one refill. cartdrige and a couple chargers. That goes for between 120-200 depending on who is sticking it to you.

We sell a starter package that is 2 ecigs (2 batts, 2 atom, and disposable cartridges) with 3 different chargers and 2 packs of 10 cartridges (each pack is supposed to = 2 cartons of cigs) in any one of 5 different flavors AND a carrying case for $50. We have a little over $10 in this bundle.

We go through around 20 of these a weekend without batting an eye.

But we also have the super cheap 1 ecig, 1 charger, 1 cartridge pack = $25 and people dont buy anywhere near as much of them. maybe 4-5.

we sell the cartridges for $20, cases for 5

[Kay King]

There are some groups trying to influence the FTC on regulation of this product - wonder if they're backed by big tobacco.

Problem is the FTC found the chemical for antifreeze in its tests - of course, that is in regular cigarettes as well along with a long list of other poisons.

There is a big push back from consumer who want this product to remain easily accessible. If the FTC decides to regulate I don't think that will result in a ban but it will probably increase prices.

The FTC regulates tobacco but hasn't forced removal of the toxins in cigarettes...just requires tough labeling.

kay

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by Kay King

There are some groups trying to influence the FTC on regulation of this product - wonder if they're backed by big tobacco.

Problem is the FTC found the chemical for antifreeze in its tests - of course, that is in regular cigarettes as well along with a long list of other poisons.

There is a big push back from consumer who want this product to remain easily accessible. If the FTC decides to regulate I don't think that will result in a ban but it will probably increase prices.

The FTC regulates tobacco but hasn't forced removal of the toxins in cigarettes...just requires tough labeling.

kay

Not the FTC...The FDA. The FDA found diethelyne glycol in 1 cartridge of NJOY nicotine cartridges and that is 1 chemical that is in antifreeze

The juice that everyone uses is propylene glycol

the fda also has issue with the nic levels, which i agree with, there needs to be a standard for 'high med and low'

In this area, we have doctors recomending these to patients, hospitals buy them for patients that smoke but are bedbound

But i have no doubt that the reason the fda is throwing such a fit is because they aren't getting a slice of the money being made here and big tobacco has a lot of lobbyists with deep pockets. But the E cigarette people are starting to get better organized and have already sued and won against the fda for product seizure

[sbucciarel]

I've been checking ecigarettes out ... several have said that you can't use Adwords, but I'm seeing a lot of Adwords ads for ecigarettes.

[Kay King]

Sorry, Michael - got my initials confused.

Truth is, three people I know that I thought would never quit smoking have quit using ecigarettes.

Yes, they still get nicotine - but it's better than the 2-3 pack a day smoking habit they had before.

[avenuegirl]

Originally Posted by Kay King

I have several friends using the electronic cigarettes and they swear by them and more are buying them every week. I've been meaning to ask what brand they are using and keep forgetting to - I'll try to get that info this week.

Sell the product, not CPA. There is talk of crackdown by regulators but the crackdown seems to be on the offers sometimes (and the outlandish claims) rather than the physical products as they are available.

Wouldn't it be strange if they banned electronic cigarettes when they don't ban regular ones??? Would I prefer one poison - or 200?

kay

Ha, not 200, but over 4,000 unknown chemicals as opposed to 4 ingredients.

I promote product. No need to promote CPA because on some product you get residual income from reordering of the cartridges.

We all know that smoking is not good for you, but for many this has been a godsend that it is a good transitional product. It is cheaper to consume, and easier on the lungs. PG is the only thing that has no long term studies to confirm what it will do. At the same time it is used in toothpaste and many things consumed or used on the skin. Artificial maple flavoring has PG in it. Look at your soaps,lotions, mouthwash, etc. It is everywhere.

They are working to better monitor the nicotine - but again this is a legal and naturally occurring substance - the same as PG.

Yes, EZA will knock you down. So WHAT! There are other ways to market online other than article marketing. I am just getting into it - more for SEO on my sites, but that is not how I've made any of the money I've made online. While I've made money using adwords - I have not used that either on this campaign and have more than paid for my sites and recooped for my efforts easily.

There is no cookie cutter system for every thing you promote. There are methods that work and you need to figure out which ones go best with which products.

[Steven Fullman]

I said it at the top, and I'll say it again...

I've been watching this niche for almost 2 years.

This is a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR market for anyone who wants to take on the traditional cigarette manufacturers.

I tried the e-cigs last year..they were unreliable. BUT...they're completely harmless, and as close to REAL cigarettes as I believe it's as possible to get. Revolutionary.

It'll only take ONE DECENT MAKER to push this over the edge and into the mainstream.

It'll happen...sooner than later.

[STKING]

shameless marketing...but yes, I obviously do e-cigs.
I am not a smoker, but my customers LOVE love love them. It allows them to have the same feel and taste of a reg. cig without the smoke and cancer.

Anyway, don't spam me...just thought I'd share my experience.

[sbucciarel]

I found a great e-cigarette forum and just made an order for a starter kit and some supplies ... going to try this out first hand. It was easy to find some good sites for the supplies, etc. and no continuity BS. Also found a cheap supplier in China to order from if I decide to buy some stock to promote myself.

[StevenSaliba]

I hope the FDA allows these electronic cigarettes in the market. The tobacco companies are not too happy about this new technology. The FDA is a big joke. They are all greedy pigs!

[getsmartt]

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

IAlso found a cheap supplier in China to order from if I decide to buy some stock to promote myself.

Care to share

[Michael Motley]

The FDA has already released its tests and are a little shady about the info they released. You can tell that the FDA has an agenda with these that has nothing to do with public health and safety.

[Troy_Phillips]

Originally Posted by JasonP

I'm currently promoting this offer, through eliteclicksmedia it doesn't convert well, and I rank on first page of google for EVERY term related to free e-cigarette trial.

How many searches per day for the keyword.

Just a quick search didn't find anything significant .

[DAS_Matt]

This is a very good program for electronic cigs.

Electronic Cigarette by Blu E-Cigarette

[Matthew Olson]

Originally Posted by Josef_Benjamin

I have one here I will be promoting soon (to busy now doing other things to focus on actively at the moment)

2 words:

Green Smoke

I think it's CPS or CPA (both?), but they offer generous commishions and life time sales for repeat business.

Looks like a very reputable product, I hear it's actually the best one on the market from much of my own research...but I'm not a smoker myself...

So there ya go, your welcome america

Thanks for the Green Smoke recommendation Josef. I agree, it looks like a good product...

I started promoting GS a couple days ago and am already seeing some steady sales. I almost hesitated because the initial commissions are not quite as high as most CPA offers. But upon closer inspection I realized the reoccurring commissions will more than make up for it... this is something most people will actually WANT to be rebilled for!

I also like the fact that their ecigarette vaporizers are built into the nicotine cartridges so you have a fresh atomizer each time. Has anyone else noticed if this feature makes a big difference? Are there any other manufacturers with this design?

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by DAS_Matt

This is a very good program for electronic cigs.

Electronic Cigarette by Blu E-Cigarette

no its not. blu e-cigs have the worst reputation in the industry.