Clickbank is at it again!

[Zach Booker]

Didn't say for sure...

I've heard that though.

That wasn't the most important part of the post though. The point was to diversify and demand being heard, unlike most.

Zach

[yves]

Come back adsense all is forgiven

[captivereef]

whats DL guard and RAP

[Christian Fox]

Originally Posted by captivereef

whats DL guard and RAP

Download Guard and Rapid Action Profits Both download security software packages. Both developers are members here I believe.

I already bought DL guard months ago so I will use that. I have heard good things about both.

[captivereef]

you can use that with CB

[willdean]

Hi Yves,

What I would seriously consider if I were you ,
I would simply create my own product, set up a site, and sell it for all the profit.
It is really quite easy. You already know what is selling (you have been selling it)
Just create something similar and kkep all the money!

Best to you,
William Dean

[Christian Fox]

Originally Posted by captivereef

you can use that with CB

I am unaware of Clickbank using either systems I believe they are both for when you sell your own product and don't want people to share the download link on forums or use other methods of theft. Because it's your product there is no tracking number or loss of commission to worry about.

DL Guard and RAP protect that from happening. You can search here I am sure there are threads on it.

[Christian Fox]

Arg I am trying to switch over to Paydotcom, can not find replacements for many products. I did find one with an optin and wanted to verify that the tracking number was sent through the autoresponder. I have confirmed 3 times and am still waiting for the email 3 hours later (not in spambox).

Nice major sales leak there...

Like they say if you want something done right...

F this I am making my own products, I'm done messing around with this crap.

[garyv]

As a vendor using dlguard, I can tell you that clickbank could never send a customer to a dlguard ThankYou/Download page without dlguard knowing it and reporting it. So that pretty much eliminates any sort of Clickbank skimming. Plus anyone w/ decent tracking software would have caught on to that by now.

Also - there are a number of these sort of threads, however if you compare the number of these complaints to the actual number of transactions that clickbank does, the complaints probably account for less than .01% of that. Which could easily be chalked up to operator error. (ie mis-typing their own affiliate ID, or using a browser w/ settings that don't allow cookies.)

Clickbank does a million dollars in sales per day, it shouldn't be that hard for someone to record an anomaly if there is one.

[Christian Fox]

Originally Posted by garyv

Clickbank does a million dollars in sales per day, it shouldn't be that hard for someone to record an anomaly if there is one.

I would argue this makes them the ideal victim for potential mischief..

However no one knows for sure, no one ever does. I remember reading these threads back when I got started. Two years of seeing my stats defy logic at times has made me convinced something could be up.

I had one product get 1250 hops (almost a solid month) without a single sale until the very same day I bitched. Things like that have a way of forming a pretty solid hunch in my book...

[Trader54]

Originally Posted by garyv

As a vendor using dlguard, I can tell you that clickbank could never send a customer to a dlguard ThankYou/Download page without dlguard knowing it and reporting it. So that pretty much eliminates any sort of Clickbank skimming. Plus anyone w/ decent tracking software would have caught on to that by now.

Also - there are a number of these sort of threads, however if you compare the number of these complaints to the actual number of transactions that clickbank does, the complaints probably account for less than .01% of that. Which could easily be chalked up to operator error. (ie mis-typing their own affiliate ID, or using a browser w/ settings that don't allow cookies.)

Clickbank does a million dollars in sales per day, it shouldn't be that hard for someone to record an anomaly if there is one.

Good post.

There are so many of these threads, seem to pop up ever few weeks.

So much misinformation in these threads, I can't imagine the nightmare it would be for clickbank to look into someone's account each time someone has a 100 hops and doesn't record a sale.

And like you say it would be so easy to prove. I think most want to bypass the logic just to have something to whine about.

[Christian Fox]

Originally Posted by Trader54

Good post.

There are so many of these threads, seem to pop up ever few weeks.

So much misinformation in these threads, I can't imagine the nightmare it would be for clickbank to look into someone's account each time someone has a 100 hops and doesn't record a sale.

And like you say it would be so easy to prove. I think most want to bypass the logic just to have something to whine about.

I agree, but.....
How would you react to 1250 hops before a sale on a product with a gravity of over 400?

Like I said I am done complaining, it is pointless and it solves nothing.

[Trader54]

Originally Posted by Christian Fox

I agree, but.....
How would you react to 1250 hops before a sale on a product with a gravity of over 400?

Like I said I am done complaining, it is pointless and it solves nothing.

I'm not saying clickbank is perfect. I have heard a lot that there tracking leaves a lot to be desired. Are those 1250 hops from their tracking system or your own?

I been selling with them now over 5 years and I know there are good times and down times but overall they work well. That is both selling my own products and as a affiliate.

There are so many other variables to, like traffic etc.

[garyv]

Originally Posted by Christian Fox

I agree, but.....
How would you react to 1250 hops before a sale on a product with a gravity of over 400?

Like I said I am done complaining, it is pointless and it solves nothing.

It depends on where your traffic is coming from, and how targeted it is. I have affiliates that will convert 1/20 consistently, and then on the same product another affiliate will send me 2,000 hops without making a single sale. Why? Because they put their hoplink up on a Chinese forum, or they put it up on a site that has absolutely nothing to do with the product they're selling. - The other thing you have to check when that happens is the vendor's page. If the vendor's page is down, or very slow, clickbank will still record a hop if the hoplink is clicked.

[Christian Fox]

Originally Posted by Trader54

I'm not saying clickbank is perfect. I have heard a lot that there tracking leaves a lot to be desired. Are those 1250 hops from their tracking system or your own?

I been selling with them now over 5 years and I know there are good times and down times but overall they work well. That is both selling my own products and as a affiliate.

There are so many other variables to, like traffic etc.

Theirs stated 1250 hops, my stats confirmed the traffic as well. Of course my numbers were much higher as the CTR was not 100%. I don't track all of the way to CB, could you do that BTW? If so I would like to know...

To top it off I got a sale the day I bitched. I was actually having a good laugh seeing how long it would go without a sale.

It stopped being funny after a month....

After that I messed the site up with overly aggressive link building and a few other issues and got it deindexed. This was when I was new to the game...

[Christian Fox]

Originally Posted by garyv

It depends on where your traffic is coming from, and how targeted it is. I have affiliates that will convert 1/20 consistently, and then on the same product another affiliate will send me 2,000 hops without making a single sale. Why? Because they put their hoplink up on a Chinese forum, or they put it up on a site that has absolutely nothing to do with the product they're selling. - The other thing you have to check when that happens is the vendor's page. If the vendor's page is down, or very slow, clickbank will still record a hop if the hoplink is clicked.

Agreed, but if that were the case I would have understood. It was my best site making very consistent sales before that happened. I made no changes and neither did they, I checked.

[Trader54]

Originally Posted by Christian Fox

I agree, but.....
How would you react to 1250 hops before a sale on a product with a gravity of over 400?

Like I said I am done complaining, it is pointless and it solves nothing.

But to better answer your question, is this a product were you have been making a lot of sales?

I know my own experience promoting high gravity products have not sold as well. I have found something with a lower gravity works a lot better.

Another thing is the market your in, if it is marketers or people selling themselves they have their own ID and will just insert that and get the commission themselves.

That is the reason some products have such a high gravity, those would be markets I would avoid all together.

[Christian Fox]

Originally Posted by Trader54

But to better answer your question, is this a product were you have been making a lot of sales?

I know my own experience promoting high gravity products have not sold as well. I have found something with a lower gravity works a lot better.

Another thing is the market your in, if it is marketers or people selling themselves they have their own ID and will just insert that and get the commission themselves.

That is the reason some products have such a high gravity, those would be markets I would avoid all together.

I will admit I was not cloaking my links back then.... Still as I said above it was my best performer prior.

[Trader54]

Originally Posted by Christian Fox

Theirs stated 1250 hops, my stats confirmed the traffic as well. Of course my numbers were much higher as the CTR was not 100%. I don't track all of the way to CB, could you do that BTW? If so I would like to know...

I don't use the clickbank stats I'm just going by what I have heard that they have a lot of problems. I use 2 different ones myself and they don't always agree so I don't know if there is any perfect system. Maybe there is I just don't know of it.

But if it is a product that you been getting regular sales I would certainly check all my links after that much traffic and no sales.

[Christian Fox]

Originally Posted by Trader54

I don't use the clickbank stats I'm just going by what I have heard that they have a lot of problems. I use 2 different ones myself and they don't always agree so I don't know if there is any perfect system. Maybe there is I just don't know of it.

But if it is a product that you been getting regular sales I would certainly check all my links after that much traffic and no sales.

There is no perfect answer. I recently had my CB stats elevated significantly higher than my statcounter stats for my sites (this is impossible) theoretically.

As it turns out CB was registering spider hits that have been going to my sites after my massive ping list had run after a site update while the statcounter stats were filtering them out.

But yes clickbanks analytics leaves a lot to be desired IMO.

[Havenhood]

I had one product get 1250 hops (almost a solid month) without a single sale until the very same day I bitched. Things like that have a way of forming a pretty solid hunch in my book...

That sucks. I've sent more than 90,000 hops in a month without a sale. I know how you feel.

Someone once said, "you must be sending COMPLETE JUNK traffic..."

I'll buy that.

[zapseo]

Try Jeremy Kelsall.

As for MF & those guys -- if they have a problem, they don't post on forums -- they go right to the top. I remember MF talking about taking a tour of the CB faciliities...

The other reason they may not be complaining -- maybe they are the cookie-stuffers or people who find other devious ways of stealing sales from low volume affiliates.

Originally Posted by patchman

Exactly my point!!!

All this complaining and whining are from affiliates that make a low volume of sales, NOT ENOUGH OF A SAMPLE SIZE to make accusations that CB is shaving sales!!

All it takes is one affiliate to start moaning and then you get all these other losers that come in and jump on the bandwagon.

As Terryd said- WHERE IS THE PROOF!!

WHERE IS A VIDEO SHOWING THAT CB IS SHAVING SALE!!

SHOW ME!!

I've been with CB for 2 years now and they have never let me down, I have had money from in my bank consistently for 2 years.

If there is a problem then why don't we said Mike Filesame or Ewen Chia posting these threads??

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by zapseo

Try Jeremy Kelsall.

But make sure you acquit him - we don't want him disappearing for a custodial sentence ...

[Christian Fox]

Originally Posted by JMueller129

Please keep us updated with what Clickbank says when they reply - I'm a little weary myself because I just started using Clickbank and this doesn't sound good at all... Thanks for the warning!

Jason

I contacted them yesterday afternoon

They said nothing, but I have 2 sales already today.

I am sure it is a coincidence.

[Christian Fox]

3 sales....

[Trader54]

Originally Posted by Christian Fox

3 sales....

Nice to see its picking up for you.

I'm sure it will all work out.

[SurviveUnemployment]

Originally Posted by cscarpero

I find it really strange that the ones here complaining about their "lost" CB sales are the low volume affiliates. If it is really as bad as you guys claim it is, where is the outrage from the superaffiliates??

If I were stealing and I had the choice of stealing from someone sophisticated enough to make big money or stealing from a whole bunch of people making little money, I'd definitely go with the latter.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If Clickbank doesn't straighten out whatever shenanigans are causing this -- or at least make an effort to address the obvious problem -- they will find themselves the target of a very big class action lawsuit at some point.

Personally, I know for a validated fact that I have not been credited for sales, and I have records and communications from my site's very loyal visitors to prove it. If there are just ten other people like me -- keeping track -- Clickbank will find itself in a world of hurt.

Even if there is nothing shady going on on their end, their refusal to address the problem is negligent.

[maksym]

I am so glad that i didn't start my business at CB. My advice - make your own affiliate program. That's not so difficult.

[NyceGuy]

I did send an email the other day and they did reply it pretty quick. You might wanna try sending the email again.

[KL]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

But make sure you acquit him - we don't want him disappearing for a custodial sentence ...

Alexa,

You most certainly write like a "wordsmith". Do you provide a service to the IM community. Forgive me if the answer should be obvious... in my defense I'm new to this charade.
Kenn

[supermania]

Hi,

As a REAL 7 figure CB vendor and affiliate I KNOW there are some issues with CB tracking.

For example, sometimes I will see an affiliate get credit for the front end product and NOT get credit for the One Time Offer, even though the customer is redirected by Clickbank directly to that OTO and the product has the same hop id etc.

It's an issue. I have spoken with Clickbank about it, but even for me, a vendor, I am unable to pay that affiliate the commission they so rightly deserve. The fact affiliates are in most cases anonymous means its impossible to pay that out.

NOW, I WILL STRESS.... THIS HAPPENS RARELY, SO DON'T ALL FREAK OUT

Im just stating it because it does prove that there is a problem with their tracking system... but then again, every one knows that.

As a vendor too, I find it frustrating when I have large gaps of sales. Traffic is consistent, just sales stop. Now, sure, that can be coincidence... but imagine getting 20 sales an hour... and then not getting any for 5 or 6 hours straight. And then have them suddenly start again. Is that a coincidence or a CB issue?

Just some thoughts for you all.

Cheers,

Supermania

[liban]

My little comment will be a drop in the bucket here, but I'm a vendor, and I have one account that ONLY gets hops from affiliates; I don't ever use that pay link for myself. On that account, less than 3% of sales are not credited to affililates. So at least some accounts are working correctly.

[James Campbell]

Originally Posted by supermania

Hi,

As a REAL 7 figure CB vendor and affiliate I KNOW there are some issues with CB tracking.

For example, sometimes I will see an affiliate get credit for the front end product and NOT get credit for the One Time Offer, even though the customer is redirected by Clickbank directly to that OTO and the product has the same hop id etc.

It's an issue. I have spoken with Clickbank about it, but even for me, a vendor, I am unable to pay that affiliate the commission they so rightly deserve. The fact affiliates are in most cases anonymous means its impossible to pay that out.

NOW, I WILL STRESS.... THIS HAPPENS RARELY, SO DON'T ALL FREAK OUT

Im just stating it because it does prove that there is a problem with their tracking system... but then again, every one knows that.

As a vendor too, I find it frustrating when I have large gaps of sales. Traffic is consistent, just sales stop. Now, sure, that can be coincidence... but imagine getting 20 sales an hour... and then not getting any for 5 or 6 hours straight. And then have them suddenly start again. Is that a coincidence or a CB issue?

Just some thoughts for you all.

Cheers,

Supermania

Finally a vendor calling BS

It is nice to see after all of this speculation.

It is not a coincidence my friend, CB needs to get their act together.

James

[nimcus38318]

Originally Posted by yves

The other thing is, why is it the links all work fine at the beginning then go wonky after a period of time??? I mean what is that all about, does the tracking suddenly deteriorate with age?

Probably old electrons trying to whiz through the internet...they just get tired and fall off the planet, whereupon CB does the only thing it can...forces you to open a new account with fresh electrons.

[Havenhood]

It's an issue. I have spoken with Clickbank about it, but even for me, a vendor, I am unable to pay that affiliate the commission they so rightly deserve. The fact affiliates are in most cases anonymous means its impossible to pay that out.

NOW, I WILL STRESS.... THIS HAPPENS RARELY, SO DON'T ALL FREAK OUT

I've got to comment on this. The fact that it happens at all is enough to drop them. I'm freaked!

As a vendor too, I find it frustrating when I have large gaps of sales. Traffic is consistent, just sales stop. Now, sure, that can be coincidence... but imagine getting 20 sales an hour... and then not getting any for 5 or 6 hours straight. And then have them suddenly start again. Is that a coincidence or a CB issue?

Think about that! What could possibly cause such a glitch? If they're that incompetent, why would you trust them with your Money?

That's unacceptable.

[supermania]

Havenhood...

I'll tell you why I accept it.

THERE IS NO BETTER OPTION.

Plain and simple, that's why.

My relationship with CB is like my relationship with Google.

And that's a love-hate one.

But, it's just part and parcel of doing online business.

I should also point out, that for affiliates, CB actually has much higher conversions than other marketplaces like Paydotcom in my experience as being a vendor on both marketplaces.

When I clone the products and have them on both marketplaces, the CB product ALWAYS outperforms the PDC product in terms of conversions, despite being the identical sales page and product.

So like I said, don't freak out over it, as it does happen rarely.... but yes, it does happen.

Cheers,

Supermania

[Havenhood]

Good answer, but it doesn't take CB off the hook. I know this company... Maybe, too well. I've been with them from the start, and I've seen more than I care to.


Thanks for your response,
Ray

[yves]

Hi,

Thought I'd just conclude my rocky trip with CB to say, I did change my account to a new one while I decided what to do with my websites and guess what?...my sales returned, who'd have thought it.

Even though I'm glad to get my sales back, it still irritates me that I have lost loads and I have absolutely no idea what went/whats going on.

So, I'm now looking at CPA and adsense and producing a product of my own. Have joined 2 CPA companies which took a few days as they have to call you and screen you but am quite happy as I was accepted. I would recommend Neverblue and Copeac as they get right on with it and don't delay your registration.

Getting back to the clickbank issue, I just want to say that there are obviously lots of people who have not been affected by this tracking issue judging by some of the responses and if you are getting on fine with it, then don't let this thread worry you too much, however, just keep an eye on your sales.

My experience shows that opening a new account does restart the sales (and loads of others have experienced this before me) so if you want to go with CB for the foreseeable future, at least there is something you can do but I still think it is ludicrous that it has to be done in the first place.

Anyway, I look forward to hearing some positive info on this tracking problem in the future and maybe I'll go back to clickbank.

Yves.

[Alexa Smith]

Thanks for the update, Yves.

Originally Posted by yves

Thought I'd just conclude my rocky trip with CB to say, I did change my account to a new one while I decided what to do with my websites and guess what?...my sales returned, who'd have thought it.

Indeed. Mindblowingly unimaginable and astonishingly incredible, who'd have dreamed that such a thing could ever be possible at all.

Originally Posted by yves

it still irritates me that I have lost loads

Of course.

Originally Posted by yves

My experience shows that opening a new account does restart the sales (and loads of others have experienced this before me) so if you want to go with CB for the foreseeable future, at least there is something you can do

Yes, as you say: just yourself and a few hundred other people. Of course, to some people it makes you a "conspiracy theorist" to believe this, however many people experience it for themselves!

I think some people like to pretend that everyone who experiences these problems is accusing Clickbank of deliberate dishonesty, whereas the reality is that not everyone is: many of us are simply commenting on the fact that their system doesn't work as they claim (and on their almost offensively dreadful customer service and "denial syndrome" neurosis). Good luck with your new ventures, Yves, and many thanks for having started this discussion, on this occasion, so that others can see what goes on and how to try to do something about it.

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Yes, as you say: just yourself and a few hundred other people.

So where are the hundreds of people who have seen this
miraculous phenomenon whereby an old account, creaking at
the joints, is replaced by a new account and lo and
behold the sales start up again ?

Or as one person stated - a sale happened INSTANTLY

How amazing - just as he got his new account a customer
was passing by and he purchased.


Perhaps our readers would like to hear the other side of
the story.

A few months ago I raised this topic with ClickBank

They told me that they had never had any affiliates
contact them directly about this and they would be happy
to look into the issue if such an affiliate would be
willing to give us their account names, etc.

So I picked on two members at the Warrior forum who had
been the most vociferous complainers.

I told the first one:

"I've spoken to ClickBank and they will be happy to do
a thorough investigation for you.

Let me know if you would like to go ahead and
I will give you the contact email address."

He then had a change of mind

His reply
"I'm not convinced the problem is CB, nor am I convinced it isn't."



For the second one I answered at the forum

-----------------------------------------------------------
The real problem is that in all other threads where this has
been raised there's been a mass hysteria with people saying
'this proves ClickBank are scammers".


I would welcome a proper discussion of this issue (and have
some thoughts about it) and have a suggestion. Rather than
pursue it in this thread start a new thread and request that
posters are to avoid accusations but keep to the facts
-----------------------------------------------------------


Suddenly he lost his enthusiasm, viz

-----------------------------------------------------------
Actually though, I am personally done not only discussing
this, but participating in threads that have anything to do
with it. Not because I don't think that it is something
worth talking about, but because it is just pointless to
waste time on it. There isn't anything that any of us in
this forum can do about it...so, it is what it is.
-----------------------------------------------------------


Funny how people change their tune when challenged.

Originally Posted by yves

My experience shows that opening a new account does
restart the sales (and loads of others have experienced
this before me) so if you want to go with CB for the
foreseeable future, at least there is something you can
do but I still think it is ludicrous that it has to be
done in the first place.

The only ludicrous thing is that people believe this nonsense.

Get the real facts here

ClickBank: the new account issue


Harvey

.

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

The only ludicrous thing is that people believe this nonsense.

Get the real facts here

If you'll excuse me, Harvey, given your habitual propensity to dismiss as "nonsense" and "ludicrous" the widespread experiences of others which aren't at all in accordance either with your own opinion, or with statements made to you by Clickbank (which you alone seem considerably more enthusiastic to accept as somehow evidential), and given your somewhat characteristic reference to your own opinion as being "the real facts", I'll drop out of the conversation on grounds of lack of productivity at this point.

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

Funny how people change their tune when challenged.

Indeed. My own guess is that that usually depends on how they're "challenged" and the behaviour and language of their "challengers". You sound increasingly like Clickbank every day, Harvey: I hope you'll be very happy together.

[The 13th Warrior]

I don't think you can go to court, start ranting about your case and present nothing tangible for the bailiff to take to the judge to examine.

The judge, even if he agrees with you, would rule in favor of the opposition because without tangible evidence for examination, it is hearsay , and ruling cannot be based on that.

His word , the defendant , then , becomes as good as yours, the plaintiff.

The 13 th Warrior

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

If you'll excuse me, Harvey, given your habitual
propensity to dismiss as "nonsense" and "ludicrous"

Never used those words before until the one post above.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

and given your somewhat characteristic reference to your own opinion as being "the real facts"

No, the link above was only the second time I have EVER called a posting the 'real facts'.

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

My own guess is that that usually depends on how they're "challenged" and the behaviour and language of their "challengers".

Well these must have been two awesome and fearsome challenges I made.

Let's have a look . . .


1. Let me know if you would like to go ahead and
I will give you the contact email address.


2. I suggest you start a new thread

[yves]

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

So where are the hundreds of people who have seen this
miraculous phenomenon whereby an old account, creaking at
the joints, is replaced by a new account and lo and
behold the sales start up again ?

Or as one person stated - a sale happened INSTANTLY

How amazing - just as he got his new account a customer
was passing by and he purchased.


Perhaps our readers would like to hear the other side of
the story.

A few months ago I raised this topic with ClickBank

They told me that they had never had any affiliates
contact them directly about this and they would be happy
to look into the issue if such an affiliate would be
willing to give us their account names, etc.

So I picked on two members at the Warrior forum who had
been the most vociferous complainers.

I told the first one:

"I've spoken to ClickBank and they will be happy to do
a thorough investigation for you.

Let me know if you would like to go ahead and
I will give you the contact email address."

He then had a change of mind

His reply
"I'm not convinced the problem is CB, nor am I convinced it isn't."



For the second one I answered at the forum

-----------------------------------------------------------
The real problem is that in all other threads where this has
been raised there's been a mass hysteria with people saying
'this proves ClickBank are scammers".


I would welcome a proper discussion of this issue (and have
some thoughts about it) and have a suggestion. Rather than
pursue it in this thread start a new thread and request that
posters are to avoid accusations but keep to the facts
-----------------------------------------------------------


Suddenly he lost his enthusiasm, viz

-----------------------------------------------------------
Actually though, I am personally done not only discussing
this, but participating in threads that have anything to do
with it. Not because I don't think that it is something
worth talking about, but because it is just pointless to
waste time on it. There isn't anything that any of us in
this forum can do about it...so, it is what it is.
-----------------------------------------------------------


Funny how people change their tune when challenged.


The only ludicrous thing is that people believe this nonsense.

Get the real facts here

ClickBank: the new account issue


Harvey

.

Actually it is pretty ludicrous going to the bother of promoting someone else's product not to be credited for it. The fact remains that I purchased a product through my own link with my aff ID at the checkout page and was not credited for the sale, simple as. I am not being hysterical and I don't gain anything by starting this thread other than to bring it to light and to start a discussion as to whether there has been any progress on the matter.

Otherwise I would've kept it to myself, but I thought it would do some good to bring it to the fore.

Harvey I know you are sick of these threads but I'm sick of hearing that this ISN'T a problem when something is obviously wrong here.

It wasn't even as if I would getting on the bandwagon of others saying they had problems with CB tracking. I did not question my sales or look for any problems until it was blatantly obvious there was a problem and my experiment of buying through my own link confirmed it, then I had to acknowledge.

If it's not CB's fault then there is a problem with the whole concept of affiliate marketing using hoplinks cos somewhere in the sales process gives rise to a potential for something going wrong which effects the affiliate.

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by Havenhood

Quote:
It's an issue. I have spoken with Clickbank about it, but even for me, a vendor, I am unable to pay that affiliate the commission they so rightly deserve. The fact affiliates are in most cases anonymous means its impossible to pay that out.

NOW, I WILL STRESS.... THIS HAPPENS RARELY, SO DON'T ALL FREAK OUT

I've got to comment on this. The fact that it happens at all is enough to drop them. I'm freaked!

OK, Hopefully enough people here realize I am iin NOBODY'S pocket, and there are a number of things I HATE about Clickbank.

Let me TRANSLATE what you just said! You just said....

"This happens EVERYWHERE, so NOBODY should be an affiliate of ANYONE!"! You see, this WILL happen EVERYWHERE! If you think it doesn't, you simply don't know what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Havenhood

Quote:
As a vendor too, I find it frustrating when I have large gaps of sales. Traffic is consistent, just sales stop. Now, sure, that can be coincidence... but imagine getting 20 sales an hour... and then not getting any for 5 or 6 hours straight. And then have them suddenly start again. Is that a coincidence or a CB issue?

Think about that! What could possibly cause such a glitch? If they're that incompetent, why would you trust them with your Money?

That's unacceptable.

Well, what if an AFFILIATE is running a special offer, it is on a newsprogram, or THEIR site goes down? It is UNREASONABLE to expect sales to ALWAYS occur, or to be spread out, ESPECIALLY if someone else does it.

Steve

[Trader54]

Originally Posted by yves

Actually it is pretty ludicrous going to the bother of promoting someone else's product not to be credited for it. The fact remains that I purchased a product through my own link with my aff ID at the checkout page and was not credited for the sale, simple as. I am not being hysterical and I don't gain anything by starting this thread other than to bring it to light and to start a discussion as to whether there has been any progress on the matter.

Otherwise I would've kept it to myself, but I thought it would do some good to bring it to the fore.

Harvey I know you are sick of these threads but I'm sick of hearing that this ISN'T a problem when something is obviously wrong here.

It wasn't even as if I would getting on the bandwagon of others saying they had problems with CB tracking. I did not question my sales or look for any problems until it was blatantly obvious there was a problem and my experiment of buying through my own link confirmed it, then I had to acknowledge.

If it's not CB's fault then there is a problem with the whole concept of affiliate marketing using hoplinks cos somewhere in the sales process gives rise to a potential for something going wrong which effects the affiliate.

These threads are getting old ...

So easy to prove ... video it.

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by yves

Actually it is pretty ludicrous going to the bother of promoting someone else's product not to be credited for it. The fact remains that I purchased a product through my own link with my aff ID at the checkout page and was not credited for the sale, simple as. I am not being hysterical and I don't gain anything by starting this thread other than to bring it to light and to start a discussion as to whether there has been any progress on the matter.

Otherwise I would've kept it to myself, but I thought it would do some good to bring it to the fore.

Harvey I know you are sick of these threads but I'm sick of hearing that this ISN'T a problem when something is obviously wrong here.

It wasn't even as if I would getting on the bandwagon of others saying they had problems with CB tracking. I did not question my sales or look for any problems until it was blatantly obvious there was a problem and my experiment of buying through my own link confirmed it, then I had to acknowledge.

If it's not CB's fault then there is a problem with the whole concept of affiliate marketing using hoplinks cos somewhere in the sales process gives rise to a potential for something going wrong which effects the affiliate.

Yves

We are talking about two different issues.

I am referring to the claim that sales fizzle out with old accounts and you need to start a new account

You are talking about tracking issues.

Have I ever claimed anywhere that tracking is perfect and there is no problem ?

No.

Please read my post
ClickBank: tracking issues explained

Harvey

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

Never used those words before until the one post above.

The search function apparently believes otherwise. But look, it was Hallowe'en last night: maybe an evil spirit hacked into the software and planted some posts in former threads, in your name, with accusations of "nonsense"?

Originally Posted by yves

I thought it would do some good to bring it to the fore.

And it does, Yves. And many will be grateful to you, and all the more so for weathering the storm of arguments and accusations that such comments habitually inspire from those who believe that nothing short of video evidence on this subject should ever be allowed to pass "unchallenged"!

On no other subject, apparently, is anyone else in this forum recounting their own personal experiences habitually "challenged", but there it is: go figure.

Originally Posted by yves

I'm sick of hearing that this ISN'T a problem when something is obviously wrong here.

So am I. So are many. I've been there before, myself. As have clients of mine. As have other Warriors who have posted on countless earlier occasions. And (as can be seen from so many earlier threads) it's very clearly and understandably a matter of huge and entirely legitimate relevance and interest to large numbers of Warriors. Again, thanks for posting, and especially thanks for suggesting a constructive solution that's worked for you this time around.

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

The search function apparently believes otherwise. But look, it was Hallowe'en last night: maybe an evil spirit hacked into the software and planted some posts in former threads, in your name, with accusations of "nonsense"?

You really should learn how to use the search function and check your facts.

The only appearances of the word 'nonsense' in my posts are
when I am quoting other people's posts