A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum!

goliathseo · 10-25-2009, 05:44 PM

Hello Fellow Warriors,

I am calling on all of the "Gurus" that are members here for an interesting challenge. I know the basics of traffic,copywriting, so on and so on...

My CHALLENGE for all gurus listed on the WF is this:

I am truly interested in any/all aspects of marketing, therefore I will do what ever it takes to make things happen. How are you involved in this?! Well I want to study directly under YOU! Having you as a mentor for 90 days, I will travel to your location and work directly with you to learn your techniques, tactics and anything else you are willing to teach me.

If any one "guru" is interested please PM me so we can get arrangements made and start the process!

InternetMarketingIQ · 10-25-2009, 05:49 PM

How does one recognize the mythical "Guru" beast?

And what's in it for them?

Willie Crawford · 10-25-2009, 05:50 PM

I'd like to put the same offer out there for any guru who will
mentor me. Jay Abraham or Dan Kennedy are you reading
this?

Willie

CurtisN · 10-25-2009, 05:54 PM

Why do you feel entitled to receive personal training from the "gurus" of this forum?

Basically, who are you and what's in it for them?

MikeZewski · 10-25-2009, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurtisN

Why do you feel entitled to receive personal training from the "gurus" of this forum?

Basically, who are you and what's in it for them?

Maybe if a "guru" teaches someone his tricks that is in his downline he will make more commissions.

Daniel E Taylor · 10-25-2009, 06:14 PM

I like this over the usual "Someone please help me".

1. It shows initiative. He will fly to your location.

2. He will work for free just to gain information.

This is what interning is all about. I'm sure he'll find someone
to take him up on his offer.

If the guru is smart he'd get lots of work done for free that would
have cost thousands.

And if the OP is smart he would get knowledge that would have
cost him thousands.

See the trade-off here?

Daniel

CurtisN · 10-25-2009, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeZewski

Maybe if a "guru" teaches someone his tricks that is in his downline he will make more commissions.

That's how it works in MLM, not in general Internet marketing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel E Taylor

I like this over the usual "Someone please help me".

1. It shows initiative. He will fly to your location.

2. He will work for free just to gain information.

This is what interning is all about. I'm sure he'll find someone
to take him up on his offer.

If the guru is smart he'd get lots of work done for free that would
have cost thousands.

And if the OP is smart he would get knowledge that would have
cost him thousands.

See the trade-off here?

Daniel

You raise a good point, Daniel. I just understood the op to mean that he wanted to fly to a guru so he could go through a face-to-face sort of coaching. However, if he's actually offering to serve as an intern, then it might be a pretty good deal for any "guru" who is able to accomodate him!

Curtis

goliathseo · 10-25-2009, 06:23 PM

Thank you Daniel! Yes that is exactly it I want to study under the big guns to learn the ins and outs of what they do and not just for IM but for the psychological aspects of marketing and sales and copy...

MichaelHiles · 10-25-2009, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willie Crawford

I'd like to put the same offer out there for any guru who will
mentor me. Jay Abraham or Dan Kennedy are you reading
this?

Willie

Oh alright Willie.

Daggone man, twist my arm. I'll talk to Jay and Dan and see if they can get you in for a sit down.

Brad Spencer · 10-25-2009, 06:50 PM

Ya know...I kind of agree with CurtisN

Why should a guru who is running a multi-million dollar enterprise spend so much time sharing his hard earned "secrets" (I care more about systems b/c "secrets" don't really exist in business...rarely is something not been done before...at least in some way) to someone?

On the other hand, I personally enjoy the company and teaching...so I would take someone up on this if htey were willing to be a personal assistant and also bring a skillset.

However, I might be more rare than most b/c I truly enjoy the teaching aspect of business. Just saying...

A "challenge" isn't really going to work too well for a lot of people...b/c they don't really care and they can have people work for them or pay multiple thousands for personalized coaching...

To finalize, I feel like instead of challenging a "guru" (what does that mean even?) learn that big business=systems and relationships....get both and you'll be a "guru" (whatever that means)

Cheers,

Brad

Steven Fullman · 10-25-2009, 06:55 PM

Hey, well done.

You got a reply from one of the biggest gurus on this forum. Learn from his reply.

What can you do you make it irresistible for someone like Willie to take you under his wing?

i.e. WIIFW (what's in it for Willie) ?

Think about it.

Steve

TheRichJerksNet · 10-25-2009, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willie Crawford

I'd like to put the same offer out there for any guru who will
mentor me. Jay Abraham or Dan Kennedy are you reading
this?

Willie

Like you need a mentor, Willie .... LOL

I want Steven Fullman as my mentor, I want to watch and learn and stalk.. But not every minute of the day though as he might do some things I might not like...

James

Joe Giannetti · 10-25-2009, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willie Crawford

I'd like to put the same offer out there for any guru who will
mentor me. Jay Abraham or Dan Kennedy are you reading
this?

Willie

I like that one Willie.....hahahahaa

I'll bet you are getting bombarded with IM's right now!

Killer Joe · 10-25-2009, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I want Steven Fullman as my mentor

Ditto that!

KJ

TheRichJerksNet · 10-25-2009, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

Ditto that!

KJ

We could both go harass him at his house for 90 days - Oh Cool!!!

James

FaJeeb · 10-25-2009, 07:33 PM

Maybe attend a seminar and meet some people who are actually willing to teach you a small part of what they actually do, and not a part of their theories. This is the most amount of advice I could offer someone else, and the stage of internet marketing I'm in right now.

...Anybody could sit here and say "why should I or anyone else teach you anything?"

Steven Fullman · 10-25-2009, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Like you need a mentor, Willie .... LOL

I want Steven Fullman as my mentor, I want to watch and learn and stalk.. But not every minute of the day though as he might do some things I might not like...

James

Get off my lawn, ya Weirdo

Steve

TheRichJerksNet · 10-25-2009, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Fullman

Get off my lawn, ya Weirdo

Steve

How else am I supposed to learn from Steve The Guru..

Maybe if you would close your blinds I would not be able to peek in

James

avenuegirl · 10-25-2009, 07:46 PM

LOL, this should be run like "The Apprentice" and could be shot live and only played on the internet.

There should be 30 or so people gunning for the big prize, which would be to get to meet the guru in person and own their own internet empire.

Every week, someone gets the axe.

Week 1 - Marketers are brought in, and put into teams. They are given challenges. First weeks challenge is for each team to collectively complete a niche site with everything done including creating product concept with pre launch giveaway, website, list started, etc. Then everyone is brought into the board room and someone on each team gets the axe. Winning team gets - um - some templates, plugins, or access to some paid site that will help them automate tasks for...

Week 2 - Traffic week. Everyone works on various methods. Winning team at the end of the week is best conversions of sign ups to list in relation to amount of traffic driven. Someone else gets axed off each team and winning team gets year of free aweber.

so on and so forth until:

Final week - 2 big products are launched and winner of the whole event is the one who does the biggest sales. They get to keep BOTH product launched and meet the guru.

Oh, forgot to add. Budget allowed for each team starting is like a hundred bucks. LOL, so they will need to hustle to raise some capital to keep going.

IM apprentice.

cyberchick · 10-25-2009, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goliathseo

Thank you Daniel! Yes that is exactly it I want to study under the big guns to learn the ins and outs of what they do and not just for IM but for the psychological aspects of marketing and sales and copy...

Kind of like "The Apprentice" then Jason.

Good on you for taking the initiative. Heck you could fly to Australia and help me in my business but then I'm not a Guru just yet.

I hope someone will take you up on the offer. Best of success to you.
Monika

avenuegirl · 10-25-2009, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexPK

Avenue Girl Jill Carpenter

Your wish is my command said the genie.

Ha ha. Mine is a bit more cut throat. Marketers will have to work together and will be competing against each other at the same time - and when they get the axe they are seen packing up their computer and lugging it out of the house.

Mine would force the marketers to go into skype calls with video conferencing and you would see people going through real emotions and arguing. The producer of the show would get them at certain times and pump them for information on what they accomplished for the day so everyone is accountable. Everyone has to agree on which things money is spent on, which type of product is being created, etc - but there is no guarantee you will get to the next week.

Team members have to tell the guru who they think should get the axe and why, but the Guru makes the final call.

What does Guru get from this? Exclusive rights to run the show - which I would definitely watch. LOL

Oh! EDIT: We don't know WHO the Guru is until the end. Really exciting! Maybe you get hints along the way, but he/she will be disguised behind a screen and their voice altered.

Floyd Fisher · 10-25-2009, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goliathseo

Hello Fellow Warriors,

I am calling on all of the "Gurus" that are members here for an interesting challenge. I know the basics of traffic,copywriting, so on and so on...

My CHALLENGE for all gurus listed on the WF is this:

I am truly interested in any/all aspects of marketing, therefore I will do what ever it takes to make things happen. How are you involved in this?! Well I want to study directly under YOU! Having you as a mentor for 90 days, I will travel to your location and work directly with you to learn your techniques, tactics and anything else you are willing to teach me.

If any one "guru" is interested please PM me so we can get arrangements made and start the process!

Can I ask a question?

Are you doing what you already know what to do?

If you're not already doing what you know to do, why should anyone want to teach you anything else, being all it's going to do is just fill your head with more stuff you won't use.

Do what you know to do, and when you're really ready to learn, the teacher will seek you out.

Steven Fullman · 10-25-2009, 08:18 PM

Oooh.

Nice idea, Jill.

Now you've got your "contacts"...should be a cinch to set up, yeah?

Go on, I dare you

IM Apprentice...not that I want to distract you from your business, but...since you tossed the idea out here...

Steve

Quote:

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

LOL, this should be run like "The Apprentice" and could be shot live and only played on the internet.

There should be 30 or so people gunning for the big prize, which would be to get to meet the guru in person and own their own internet empire.

Every week, someone gets the axe.

Week 1 - Marketers are brought in, and put into teams. They are given challenges. First weeks challenge is for each team to collectively complete a niche site with everything done including creating product concept with pre launch giveaway, website, list started, etc. Then everyone is brought into the board room and someone on each team gets the axe. Winning team gets - um - some templates, plugins, or access to some paid site that will help them automate tasks for...

Week 2 - Traffic week. Everyone works on various methods. Winning team at the end of the week is best conversions of sign ups to list in relation to amount of traffic driven. Someone else gets axed off each team and winning team gets year of free aweber.

so on and so forth until:

Final week - 2 big products are launched and winner of the whole event is the one who does the biggest sales. They get to keep BOTH product launched and meet the guru.

Oh, forgot to add. Budget allowed for each team starting is like a hundred bucks. LOL, so they will need to hustle to raise some capital to keep going.

IM apprentice.

avenuegirl · 10-25-2009, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher

Can I ask a question?

Are you doing what you already know what to do?

If you're not already doing what you know to do, why should anyone want to teach you anything else, being all it's going to do is just fill your head with more stuff you won't use.

Do what you know to do, and when you're really ready to learn, the teacher will seek you out.

Instead of flying out somewhere, he should just join the War Room.

avenuegirl · 10-25-2009, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Fullman

Oooh.

Nice idea, Jill.

Now you've got your "contacts"...should be a cinch to set up, yeah?

Go on, I dare you

IM Apprentice...not that I want to distract you from your business, but...since you tossed the idea out here...

Steve

Someone already got the blog. I'd have to call it something else.

I could produce. Just need to get the right Guru.

Steven Fullman · 10-25-2009, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

Someone already got the blog. I'd have to call it something else.

I could produce. Just need to get the right Guru.

If you need a tea-boy...just shout.

So...we need a name & a guru?

That sounds like a "Contest Thread!"

Steve

goliathseo · 10-25-2009, 08:27 PM

Thank you Floyd, Yes I am already doing what I know how to do... And thank you Cyberchick. When I make it out that way eventually I will take you up on that offer.

Kevin Riley · 10-25-2009, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeZewski

Maybe if a "guru" teaches someone his tricks that is in his downline he will make more commissions.

That's a pretty big "maybe". Just because you teach someone your "tricks" does not mean they are going to make more, if any, sales for you.

I'd want to see true commitment, like flying over to Osaka and convincing me they have what it takes. Show up at my door, ready to roll up their sleeves and be put to work in the sweatshop, and they might make it across the threshold. But, I'd be watching them very closely. Nobody rides for free!

goliathseo · 10-25-2009, 08:30 PM

See, At least we are having fun at this And maybe something bigger can come of this thread.. This very well could be done as an apprentice or big brother style of internet show...

Seant7871 · 10-25-2009, 08:34 PM

I am very new to internet marketing and I get help from a guru every time I log into this forum. I have only been on this forum for about a month, but there has not been one day that I have not learned something from the people on this forum.

For people like me this forum is a Godsend, because so many people are willing to share their knowledge an experience with everyone on the forum. I can't speak for anyone else but I want to say thank you all for doing the things you do. Six months ago I was not able to build a web site, had no idea about SEO, Backlinks, article marketing, and so much more. I am getting an internet education for free and I am sure that one day I to will be a so call Guru. I just have to keep watching, listening, and learning from everyone on the forum.

Killer Joe · 10-25-2009, 08:37 PM

Jill,

Sorry to bust your bubble here, but Joel Comm did this in 2008.

Check it out, I actually bought the DVDs when they came out. Quite entertaining.

Reality TV on the Web – The Next Internet Millionaire with Joel Comm

Nobody has done "The Biggest Loser" version yet. You might want to wait a while for the FTC to vote a few onto that program.

KJ

goliathseo · 10-25-2009, 08:37 PM

That I agree with totally. This forum is wonderful! Thanks goes out to everyone!

TheRichJerksNet · 10-25-2009, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

be put to work in the sweatshop

Oh so that is how you get all that work done... Kevin I thought sweatshops was like illegal or something...

James

Killer Joe · 10-25-2009, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Oh so that is how you get all that work done... Kevin I thought sweatshops was like illegal or something...

James

They're hampster sweatshops. Non-union...

They work for peanuts.

KJ

avenuegirl · 10-25-2009, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

Jill,

Sorry to bust your bubble here, but Joel Comm did this in 2008.

Nothing is ever really "new" - just reinvented. I do remember hearing about that. Did anyone cry? Were there nefarious goings on?

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Oh so that is how you get all that work done... Kevin I thought sweatshops was like illegal or something...

James

Why do you think he moved to Osaka?

Lance K · 10-25-2009, 08:52 PM

AlexPK, maybe you should ditch the affiliate links in your reply.

TheRichJerksNet · 10-25-2009, 09:15 PM

Yeah the links should be like - The League of Extraordinary Minds by Rich Schefren and Jay Abraham

Killer Joe · 10-25-2009, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

Did anyone cry?

Yea, me.

I'm a total wreck when I watch those things...

KJ

MikeZewski · 10-25-2009, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goliathseo

See, At least we are having fun at this And maybe something bigger can come of this thread.. This very well could be done as an apprentice or big brother style of internet show...

Great idea!

goliathseo · 10-25-2009, 10:57 PM

Why Not? I bet we could make a killing on this selling the shows on dvd to other IMers that don't know about it and charge $3k for the whole season!

Killer Joe · 10-25-2009, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goliathseo

Why Not? I bet we could make a killing on this selling the shows on dvd to other IMers that don't know about it and charge $3k for the whole season!

Joel Comm got $450 for his series and no doubt cost him a lot of money to produce.

KJ

Profit-smart · 10-25-2009, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

Jill,

Sorry to bust your bubble here, but Joel Comm did this in 2008.

Check it out, I actually bought the DVDs when they came out. Quite entertaining.

Reality TV on the Web – The Next Internet Millionaire with Joel Comm

Nobody has done "The Biggest Loser" version yet. You might want to wait a while for the FTC to vote a few onto that program.

KJ

I actually knew a guy named Alex who was supposed to be on that, But either they canceled production or he dropped out.

Thomas Belknap · 10-25-2009, 11:40 PM

How about this...

Instead of challenging other people to teach you, challenge yourself first. There is more than enough information on this forum alone to get you started making money.

Floyd Fisher · 10-26-2009, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

Nothing is ever really "new" - just reinvented. I do remember hearing about that. Did anyone cry? Were there nefarious goings on?

Why don't you check out 'the next internet millionaire' and see for yourself?

goliathseo · 10-26-2009, 12:10 AM

I thank you once again Floyd, I have just recently joined and am in process of doing that as well.

Chris W. Sutton · 10-26-2009, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Why should a guru who is running a multi-million dollar enterprise spend so much time sharing his hard earned "secrets" (I care more about systems b/c "secrets" don't really exist in business...rarely is something not been done before...at least in some way) to someone?

Actually, a great many of the experienced marketers DO share their time and experiences with other people. They do it for the same reason that people donate money to their favorite charity... they want to give back and help other people.

I know a lot of successful people in this business and not a single one of them claim to be a "guru" and, in fact, it would probably insult them if you called them that.

All the "guru" bashing doesn't bother me because the only people who claim to be "gurus" are idiots who are trying to put something over on other people. Well, actually, Thaddaeus T. Hogg always claims to be a guru but he IS an idiot!

In fact, ask Paul Meyers or Allen Says if they are "gurus" and see what they have to say about that! (Quick, everybody under their desk! I know it's safe under there because that is what we did during the nuclear attack drills in grade school back in the 60s)

Chris W. Sutton · 10-26-2009, 01:40 PM

Quote:

I'd want to see true commitment, like flying over to Osaka

Kevin, wouldn't you want them to land so you could meet them?

Joseph Ratliff · 10-26-2009, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goliathseo

Having you as a mentor for 90 days, I will travel to your location and work directly with you to learn your techniques, tactics and anything else you are willing to teach me.

Well, in 90 days, and with the information already on this forum, you just might be able to take some serious action, and make some valuable mistakes that will get you on the path of success faster than a "guru" could teach

Certainly possible.

In regards to your "challenge" here...
You were pretty general with your request of a guru ("learn your techniques, tactics, and anything else...what is "anything else"?)...

Perhaps come up with a very specific set of learning objectives and a plan to demonstrate WIIFM so the opportunity is mutually beneficial, then take more initiative and offer to help the guru with something first to start developing the relationship.

I do commend you on this approach, at least you're asking for help in a little different way, but here are some other questions to consider...

Why limit yourself to only "gurus"?

Are you truly ready to operate a multi-million dollar a year business should you accomplish your objective here and build a "guru" sized business (are you sure)?

Just some things to consider.

And, I like the idea of this thread expanding in value.

Alminc · 10-26-2009, 04:06 PM

Hmmm...should I post to this thread? Am I gooroo?

C'mon guys, the OP is calling the gurus, not YOU!

goliathseo · 10-26-2009, 06:59 PM

You know, I do value this forum very much and plan on joining the war room, but my initial thought of this was to see #1 who would respond, #2 what their response would be and #3 try to negotiate to find a mutual agreement on (WIIFM).

10-25-2009, 05:44 PM	#1
goliathseo Jason Baker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Fairfax CA Posts: 120 Thanks: 12 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum! Hello Fellow Warriors, I am calling on all of the "Gurus" that are members here for an interesting challenge. I know the basics of traffic,copywriting, so on and so on... My CHALLENGE for all gurus listed on the WF is this: I am truly interested in any/all aspects of marketing, therefore I will do what ever it takes to make things happen. How are you involved in this?! Well I want to study directly under YOU! Having you as a mentor for 90 days, I will travel to your location and work directly with you to learn your techniques, tactics and anything else you are willing to teach me. If any one "guru" is interested please PM me so we can get arrangements made and start the process!
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goliathseo Jason Baker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Fairfax CA Posts: 120 Thanks: 12 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum! Thank you Daniel! Yes that is exactly it I want to study under the big guns to learn the ins and outs of what they do and not just for IM but for the psychological aspects of marketing and sales and copy...
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Brad Spencer Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Windermere, Florida Posts: 1,240 Thanks: 301 Thanked 63 Times in 48 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum! Ya know...I kind of agree with CurtisN Why should a guru who is running a multi-million dollar enterprise spend so much time sharing his hard earned "secrets" (I care more about systems b/c "secrets" don't really exist in business...rarely is something not been done before...at least in some way) to someone? On the other hand, I personally enjoy the company and teaching...so I would take someone up on this if htey were willing to be a personal assistant and also bring a skillset. However, I might be more rare than most b/c I truly enjoy the teaching aspect of business. Just saying... A "challenge" isn't really going to work too well for a lot of people...b/c they don't really care and they can have people work for them or pay multiple thousands for personalized coaching... To finalize, I feel like instead of challenging a "guru" (what does that mean even?) learn that big business=systems and relationships....get both and you'll be a "guru" (whatever that means) Cheers, Brad
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FaJeeb Master of Ceremonies Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 97 Thanks: 3 Thanked 21 Times in 14 Posts Social Networking	Re: A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum! Maybe attend a seminar and meet some people who are actually willing to teach you a small part of what they actually do, and not a part of their theories. This is the most amount of advice I could offer someone else, and the stage of internet marketing I'm in right now. ...Anybody could sit here and say "why should I or anyone else teach you anything?"

10-25-2009, 07:46 PM	#19
avenuegirl Jill Carpenter War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: USA, typically hovering around the North East Coast Posts: 1,661 Blog Entries: 18 Thanks: 281 Thanked 345 Times in 212 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum! LOL, this should be run like "The Apprentice" and could be shot live and only played on the internet. There should be 30 or so people gunning for the big prize, which would be to get to meet the guru in person and own their own internet empire. Every week, someone gets the axe. Week 1 - Marketers are brought in, and put into teams. They are given challenges. First weeks challenge is for each team to collectively complete a niche site with everything done including creating product concept with pre launch giveaway, website, list started, etc. Then everyone is brought into the board room and someone on each team gets the axe. Winning team gets - um - some templates, plugins, or access to some paid site that will help them automate tasks for... Week 2 - Traffic week. Everyone works on various methods. Winning team at the end of the week is best conversions of sign ups to list in relation to amount of traffic driven. Someone else gets axed off each team and winning team gets year of free aweber. so on and so forth until: Final week - 2 big products are launched and winner of the whole event is the one who does the biggest sales. They get to keep BOTH product launched and meet the guru. Oh, forgot to add. Budget allowed for each team starting is like a hundred bucks. LOL, so they will need to hustle to raise some capital to keep going. IM apprentice.
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10-25-2009, 08:27 PM	#27
goliathseo Jason Baker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Fairfax CA Posts: 120 Thanks: 12 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum! Thank you Floyd, Yes I am already doing what I know how to do... And thank you Cyberchick. When I make it out that way eventually I will take you up on that offer.
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10-25-2009, 08:30 PM	#29
goliathseo Jason Baker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Fairfax CA Posts: 120 Thanks: 12 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum! See, At least we are having fun at this And maybe something bigger can come of this thread.. This very well could be done as an apprentice or big brother style of internet show...
	You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.

10-25-2009, 08:34 PM	#30
Seant7871 Warrior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum! I am very new to internet marketing and I get help from a guru every time I log into this forum. I have only been on this forum for about a month, but there has not been one day that I have not learned something from the people on this forum. For people like me this forum is a Godsend, because so many people are willing to share their knowledge an experience with everyone on the forum. I can't speak for anyone else but I want to say thank you all for doing the things you do. Six months ago I was not able to build a web site, had no idea about SEO, Backlinks, article marketing, and so much more. I am getting an internet education for free and I am sure that one day I to will be a so call Guru. I just have to keep watching, listening, and learning from everyone on the forum.

10-25-2009, 08:37 PM	#31
Killer Joe aka Bill Farnham War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Virginia, USA. Posts: 825 Blog Entries: 5 Thanks: 245 Thanked 297 Times in 204 Posts	Re: A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum! Jill, Sorry to bust your bubble here, but Joel Comm did this in 2008. Check it out, I actually bought the DVDs when they came out. Quite entertaining. Reality TV on the Web – The Next Internet Millionaire with Joel Comm Nobody has done "The Biggest Loser" version yet. You might want to wait a while for the FTC to vote a few onto that program. KJ
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10-25-2009, 08:52 PM	#36
Lance K Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Iowa, USA Posts: 3,054 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 627 Thanked 268 Times in 193 Posts Contact Info	Re: A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum! AlexPK, maybe you should ditch the affiliate links in your reply.
	Lance

10-25-2009, 09:15 PM	#37
TheRichJerksNet PhpMembersScript.com War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: South Carolina, USA Posts: 4,909 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 506 Thanked 832 Times in 539 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum! Yeah the links should be like - The League of Extraordinary Minds by Rich Schefren and Jay Abraham
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10-25-2009, 10:57 PM	#40
goliathseo Jason Baker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Fairfax CA Posts: 120 Thanks: 12 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum! Why Not? I bet we could make a killing on this selling the shows on dvd to other IMers that don't know about it and charge $3k for the whole season!
	You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.

10-25-2009, 11:40 PM	#43
Thomas Belknap Mr. Cueball War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: , , . Posts: 3,215 Thanks: 23 Thanked 291 Times in 166 Posts	Re: A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum! How about this... Instead of challenging other people to teach you, challenge yourself first. There is more than enough information on this forum alone to get you started making money.
	Thomas

10-26-2009, 12:10 AM	#45
goliathseo Jason Baker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Fairfax CA Posts: 120 Thanks: 12 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum! I thank you once again Floyd, I have just recently joined and am in process of doing that as well.
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10-26-2009, 04:06 PM	#49
Alminc Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Stockholm , Sweden. Posts: 860 Thanks: 5 Thanked 58 Times in 26 Posts Contact Info	Re: A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum! Hmmm...should I post to this thread? Am I gooroo? C'mon guys, the OP is calling the gurus, not YOU!
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10-26-2009, 06:59 PM	#50
goliathseo Jason Baker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Fairfax CA Posts: 120 Thanks: 12 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: A CHALLENGE to All "Gurus" on this forum! You know, I do value this forum very much and plan on joining the war room, but my initial thought of this was to see #1 who would respond, #2 what their response would be and #3 try to negotiate to find a mutual agreement on (WIIFM).
	You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.