How Many Of You Do NOT Buy A WSO Simply Because It Offers No Alternatives To Paypal?

[IM Headlines]

Just as the title says.

I would like to find out how many sales one might be
losing (including me) by not offering another
payment system.

Maybe you don't and/or can't have a paypal account...

Maybe you don't pay with paypal because you don't like them...

Would like to hear your say!

[TMG Enterprises]

If you want to see how many sales you would be losing, you should have included an option in your poll that says "I won't buy a WSO if it doesn't offer paypal". The options that you have there now aren't going to give you an answer to your question.

Tina

[mohammad111]

Hey, how about adding one more option to the poll:

I have a Paypal account and I never had to drop a WSO because it didn't offer alternatives to Paypal.

Something like that, you get the idea

[IM Headlines]

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

If you want to see how many sales you would be losing, you should have included an option in your poll that says "I won't buy a WSO if it doesn't offer paypal". The options that you have there now aren't going to give you an answer to your question.

Tina

Well it's too late now but there's no need to.

The ones that buy WSOs with paypal will simply not take
part in this poll.

I'm interested to see how many people won't buy a
WSO with paypal, not how many people will buy a WSO
with paypal...

Anyway, thanks for the suggestion.

[jacktackett]

The ones that buy WSOs with paypal will simply not take
part in this poll.

Not exactly - I came in here to do just that and was disappointed not to see such a selection. Your is basically biased to support your question - sort of preaching to the choir if you will. Not sure what useful information this poll is going to give you....

best,
--Jack

[TommyBussey]

Originally Posted by jacktackett

Not exactly - I came in here to do just that and was disappointed not to see such a selection. Your is basically biased to support your question - sort of preaching to the choir if you will. Not sure what useful information this poll is going to give you....

best,
--Jack

I agree, Jack.

Without the option suggested by the first reply above, you really aren't going to receive the data that your Thread Title suggests that you're looking for...

- Tommy

[IM Headlines]

Originally Posted by jacktackett

Not exactly - I came in here to do just that and was disappointed not to see such a selection. Your is basically biased to support your question - sort of preaching to the choir if you will. Not sure what useful information this poll is going to give you....

best,
--Jack

Well it's too late now. The poll can't be edited after being
submitted (Or am I wrong?).

[riff]

I agree with Jack ^^^^^

I came in here to vote for Paypal.

The way it stands, your data is slanted. Sure, you might find out why some people don't use Paypal, but you're not going to find out how many sales you're losing because you can't assess the percentage of the population versus Paypal users.

[TheRichJerksNet]

This debate AGAIN!!!

James

[CDarklock]

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

I'm interested to see how many people won't buy a WSO with paypal

Actually, you're interested in how many people will buy a WSO with something that's not PayPal - but you haven't asked that question, so you're not going to get the answer to it. You're going to get the answer to an entirely different question, then try and use that answer to figure out what you REALLY wanted to know.

Which you can't, so you'll just make something up, and then get confused when you discover it doesn't work that way.

[Frank Donovan]

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

I would like to find out how many sales one might be
losing (including me) by not offering another
payment system.

I think this is a rather presumptuous poll to be having unless it is started by, or with the permission of, the forum owner.

Perhaps you should be asking how many sales you might be losing if you didn't have the opportunity to place your product in front of thousands of targeted buyers in the first place.


Frank

[IM Headlines]

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

opportunity to place your product in front of thousands of targeted buyers in the first place.

Frank

Yes I know and I'm fond of that, but what's presumptuous with
trying to increase sales by offering other payment options with
my WSOs?

We're the ones that choose what payment systems we use.
I was just thinking whether I should add more payment systems
to my WSOs that's all.

I don't see how a poll like this can be seen as presumptuous.

[CDarklock]

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

Yes I know and I'm fond of that, but what's presumptuous with trying to increase sales by offering other payment options with my WSOs?

What's presumptuous is that you haven't asked whether anyone WILL buy a WSO offering a different payment option. You're asking why people don't do something. That doesn't have any relation to what they will do. You're presuming that if they don't like option X, they would like anything else.

[avenuegirl]

Ha ha. I was looking for the option of: I've got no beef with paypal and like to use it to pay for my WSO's.

Or: If I don't buy a WSO it has nothing to do with the payment options offered.

Or: I'm waiting for the day I can pay in chickens and goats

You could have 10 people do this poll, but you have no numbers to compare against if you don't know how many like paypal.

[IM Headlines]

Originally Posted by CDarklock

That doesn't have any relation to what they will do

Finding out "What they will do" is not the purpose
of the poll.

The purpose of the poll is to check out how many people don't
buy WSOs that offer only paypal as a payment option. That's all.
Those who don't will use the poll while the others will not...

Anyway, I don't want to start a debate over a poll lool

I know you're all trying to help, and I'm grateful to that. But
that's the way it is now, so we might as well let it be...

[IM Headlines]

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

Ha ha. I was looking for the option of: I've got no beef with paypal and like to use it to pay for my WSO's.

Or: If I don't buy a WSO it has nothing to do with the payment options offered.

Or: I'm waiting for the day I can pay in chickens and goats

You could have 10 people do this poll, but you have no numbers to compare against if you don't know how many like paypal.

Jill... there's no need to compare. It's a fact that most people
do have a paypal account and do use paypal to pay
for most of things.

The amount of people that use this poll will reflect the number
of potential customers that WSO sellers might be losing by
selling with paypal only.




EDIT: One other thing

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

how many like paypal.

This is not about whether people like paypal or not. I don't like paypal a
whole lot but I still use it. This is about how many on average do NOT
use paypal.

[TheRichJerksNet]

It's a fact that most people
do have a paypal account and do use paypal to pay
for most of things.

Oh boy there goes that FACT word without any related data to back it up ...

James

[Brian McElroy]

I've sold well into the six figures on the WSO board
over approximately a 2 year period.

In that time, I've experimented with offering options
other than PayPal...

I have found that solutions like the InfusionSoft
shopping cart (which lets the customer select either
PayPal or credit card) drastically REDUCE conversion
rates as opposed to a simple PayPal button.

That's because of the strong preference for PayPal
amongst internet marketers.

In other situations and other markets, offering
only PayPal can significantly reduce your sales.

Regards,
Brian

[IM Headlines]

Originally Posted by Brian McElroy

I've sold well into the six figures on the WSO board
over approximately a 2 year period.

In that time, I've experimented with offering options
other than PayPal...

I have found that solutions like the InfusionSoft
shopping cart (which lets the customer select either
PayPal or credit card) drastically REDUCE conversion
rates as opposed to a simple PayPal button.

That's because of the strong preference for PayPal
amongst internet marketers.

In other situations and other markets, offering
only PayPal can significantly reduce your sales.

Regards,
Brian

Thanks a lot for the useful information brian.

Though I've never been in a situation where paypal
drastically reduced my sales, I do know that sometimes,
different situations require different checkout
systems.

Cheers.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Is there a reason why people would NOT want to use PayPal to pay for a WSO? I'm not quite sure why they would not.

[timpears]

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

Is there a reason why people would NOT want to use PayPal to pay for a WSO? I'm not quite sure why they would not.

PayPal is not available in many parts of the world. I had a contractor do a small job for me recently and he is in India. I had expected to pay him via PayPal. Until I found out that PayPal is not available in India. I had no idea. I couldn't find a way to pay him. Even the method he suggested I tried to pay him and finally called the company only to find that even they would not allow me to send money to him, and they do business in India. But because he didn't have a web site with them as the payment option, I could not send him the money.

Lots of people just can't use PayPal because it is not available to them.

Then there is the whole paypalsucks.com issue. If you have ever had your account locked up by them, you will never feel the same way about PayPal again. Lots of us have experienced that, and not even because we did anything wrong. Just because PayPal got a hair up their a$$.

[CDarklock]

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

Finding out "What they will do" is not the purpose of the poll.

Oh, I know. As you said:

"I would like to find out how many sales one might be losing (including me) by not offering another payment system."

In other words:

"How many people will buy my product if I use a payment system that isn't PayPal?"

But your poll won't tell you that... and it won't get you any closer to the answer, either. Because people don't buy through the "not PayPal" service. They buy through a specific service because it has specific features PayPal lacks - e.g. availability in their country.

[Lance K]

If I'm pickin up what you're puttin down, I'll find a way to pay for it.

If the payment options (or lack thereof) are a deal breaker, then the deal was on a pretty shaky foundation to begin with.

[mohamed.hammad]

Of course, that can led to lose sales!!

I am dying out there trying to buy some of your WSOs but guess what? I can't!
PayPal doesn't allow my country (Egypt) to create an account into their system.

I always encourage using other Payment solutions like 2CO, Infusionsoft and Authorize.net

I just can't simply figure why all of people like that PayPal, in fact I hate him!

Sorry For Ranting,
Mohamed Hammad

[IM Headlines]

You keep missing the point.

I'm NOT trying to find another payment system here.

I'm trying to find out how many people don't use paypal (approx).

I already know which payment systems I could use alongside
with paypal that are available for everybody.

With this poll I was hoping to find (on average) how many
warrior members don't buy a WSO simply because it can be achieved
only by paying through a system that they can't use, such as paypal.

Hope you understand now

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Oh, I know. As you said:

"I would like to find out how many sales one might be losing (including me) by not offering another payment system."

In other words:

"How many people will buy my product if I use a payment system that isn't PayPal?"

But your poll won't tell you that... and it won't get you any closer to the answer, either. Because people don't buy through the "not PayPal" service. They buy through a specific service because it has specific features PayPal lacks - e.g. availability in their country.

EDIT:

You're probably going to ask me this question now:

"If you already know which payment systems you could use that will
get you more buyers, then why don't you use them?"

So, let me answer it now.

By applying another system (or other systems) that will be available
for everybody... you could do a lot more harm than good.

Believe it or not, some people get confused when not paying with
a familiar checkout system.

So, if the number of people that don't buy "paypal WSOs" is small, then
it won't be worth it to add another payment system or replace your
current payment system with another one... because you could lose
sales instead of increasing them

[Kevin Riley]

My



I've had a few customers who don't want to get a PayPal account. It perplexes me. If you want to start selling something online (if not, why are you buying my products) you need a PayPal account - if you want to really make money. Because, without a PP acct, you'll lose the most customers.

You might not like PayPal, but you'd better learn to like them if you want to do business online.

[BIG Mike]

Like Brian and others, I've sold WSO's into high six-figures over the years using PayPal. I do occasionally get an email from someone looking for an alternative, but that is always the odd exception.

A few years ago, I used to offer multiple payment options, like 2CO, StormPay (remember them?), etc., and the result was that purchases were overwhelmingly made via PayPal. It was actually a hassle to set a product up and configure everything, use multiple IPN scripts, etc., at the time to manage all of this – and it was a complete waste of time.

You can get a merchant account of course, but speaking only for myself, I prefer a one-click solution when buying something, WSO or not. If I see a WSO I’m interested in, I hate when I get to a payment page and have to fill out a form. For me, that’s a deal breaker – unless I absolutely cannot live without it.

I’m sure I do lose a potential customer here and there by only offering PayPal, but in business, things like this are a matter of scale. It doesn’t make good business sense to spend extra time and capital on such a small minority, especially if it’s unlikely to provide any real ROI. While there are times you might want to do just that, I somehow doubt it’s worth it for a WSO.

[NetInvestor]

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

Well it's too late now but there's no need to.

The ones that buy WSOs with paypal will simply not take
part in this poll.

I'm interested to see how many people won't buy a
WSO with paypal, not how many people will buy a WSO
with paypal...

Anyway, thanks for the suggestion.

but on that way you´ll get no real answer and a pecentage of the one who buy with paypal against the people that would buy to another payment processor.

Cheers,

Patrick

P.S.: i only use paypal...

[younicsoft]

Originally Posted by timpears

PayPal is not available in many parts of the world. I had a contractor do a small job for me recently and he is in India. I had expected to pay him via PayPal. Until I found out that PayPal is not available in India. I had no idea. I couldn't find a way to pay him. Even the method he suggested I tried to pay him and finally called the company only to find that even they would not allow me to send money to him, and they do business in India. But because he didn't have a web site with them as the payment option, I could not send him the money.

Lots of people just can't use PayPal because it is not available to them.

Then there is the whole paypalsucks.com issue. If you have ever had your account locked up by them, you will never feel the same way about PayPal again. Lots of us have experienced that, and not even because we did anything wrong. Just because PayPal got a hair up their a$$.

Hi Tim,

i agree with you, paypal is still not accepted in many countries such as India & Malaysia etc.... but you still have another option to pay your contractor with xoom.com, i used it to pay freelancer in Philippine & India, hope this help.

andrew

[jesseray]

I will pay with paypal when I have to. It is not going to discourage me from buying a product. Though I have run into problems with paypal before in a few different ways. For one there security won't let some of my credit cards go through. (Kinda weird) There American Express cards and they work for everything else. So I have to use Visa when paying with paypal. (I really wish paypal would get better customer service.)

[4success53]

I only use paypal.

Paypal accepts payment from people that don't even have a Paypal account.

So, even mohamed.hammad should be able to use Paypal as long as he has a credit card.

[Ron Razor]

I always use paypal if given the option. I know there are a few people who cannot use paypal, but anyone who can usually does, its faster and easier and has become the standard for quick transactions.

[darijan]

If you don't have a PayPal account because PayPal is not available in your country then I can recommend 2Checkout.

For instance I can't receive money to my PayPal account.

How it works?
Say - someone wants to buy something from me and they want to use their PayPal account. I can't receive money on my PayPal account. What do I do?

I just create an invoice in 2Checkout and send the link to the buyer.

They can pay using their PayPal accounts and the money lands on my 2Checkout account.

Voila!

[CDarklock]

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

With this poll I was hoping to find (on average) how many warrior members don't buy a WSO simply because it can be achieved only by paying through a system that they can't use, such as paypal.

There is nothing wrong with what you are trying to find out. What's wrong is that you're not going to find out what you want to know. Your poll will not work. Sure, people will respond, and you'll get some numbers - but they don't mean anything. Your research method is flawed, and you can't use the data to generate any useful prediction.