Success in a non-IM niche makes you a guru in the IM niche and ...

[Scott Ames]

Seems to me people either start in the IM niche and stay there, or make money in another niche, then get sucked into marketing in the IM niche because people want to know how they did it. Soon the IM niche makes them more money than the niche that they started with. They become gurufied in the eyes of many.

Some I'm suspect design it this way. John Childers wanted a story to tell, so he got really good at making money with real estate, with an eye toward marketing real estate "how to" information and speaking. Doing real estate was just a means to an end.

I won't use names, but Mike F's friend Armando M. ( oh like you don't know who they are ) is a real estate rehab expert, but is branching into IM with "how to" products. It won't be long before he's teaching how to in the IM field as well I predict.

There is an insatiable hunger for IM information that will probably never end. The success of this forum shows that.

[lakshaybehl]

Scott...

I have to ask you..

So what?

I mean... its kind of cool, isn't it?

You can provide value elsewhere and make money elsewhere and then teach it to people who can use that knowledge to make this world a better place and make money for themselves.

In the IM niche, or elsewhere.

No onbe is born with knowledge. We all learn stuff. And the only shortcut you can take is to learn from someone who's done it already. Themselves.

-Lakshay

[TommyBussey]

Originally Posted by lakshaybehl

Scott...
You can provide value elsewhere and make money elsewhere and then teach it to people who can use that knowledge to make this world a better place and make money for themselves.

In the IM niche, or elsewhere.

No onbe is born with knowledge. We all learn stuff. And the only shortcut you can take is to learn from someone who's done it already. Themselves.

-Lakshay

I have to agree with Lakshay.

However, I can't tell if Scott is actually being negative against this phenomenon or not. haha

I think it's great to make money in a unique way in a niche, then teach people how you made money in that unique way, then continue doing things in your original niche(s) simply to make a positive impact on people's well-being and their lives.

- Tommy

[lakshaybehl]

Originally Posted by TommyBussey

I have to agree with Lakshay.

However, I can't tell if Scott is actually being negative against this phenomenon or not. haha

I think it's great to make money in a unique way in a niche, then teach people how you made money in that unique way, then continue doing things in your original niche(s) simply to make a positive impact on people's well-being and their lives.

- Tommy

Even I can't.

And I really hope he isn't! I kinda always thought of him as a cool guy around.

-Lakshay

[Ron Douglas]

I think it's because the 'make money' market is low hanging fruit for those who are already ultra successful. Plus, if you can get the top guys to endorse you as a peer, you are golden.

But it seems like you have to get millions first before people put you in that circle.

I guess the other point is - you don't need to be in that circle to get millions.

[Scott Ames]

Sorry guys.... I just can't stand when people make money. I hate it. I think they are all scammers....


No.... not really... I like it , it's a natural progression. I think it's wonderful. The best teachers are those that have done it.

I was just making an observation.

Lakshay... Good luck with your move to Vegas. I'm in Utah about 350 miles away from Vegas but I get down there periodically.

[lakshaybehl]

Originally Posted by Scott Ames

Lakshay... Good luck with your move to Vegas. I'm in Utah about 350 miles away from Vegas but I get down there periodically.

The Move's going to be in 2011.

And we don't have to wait till then to get together and rock and roll yeah?

So here's the plan... Next time when I come to the US, I'll let you know and if you've got some time, we'll catch up a little. What say?

-Lakshay

[Daniel E Taylor]

It's funny because I'm more of the opposite.

People BEG me to get into the IM niche. Beg me
to release products. Beg to send me 1000's to coach
them.

But I just don't have the desire. I love my niche
and I have so much fun that it's not even work.

Doing an IM product is boring as hell to me.

And I'm probably one of the few "successful" marketers
who actually lives the LIFESTYLE most of you dream about.

Some days send out one email and make good money.

2 month vacations. And stuff like that.

But I get what you're saying!

[jbsmith]

My guess is that IM leaders are driven as much by ego as they are by the money. It's the idea of being a "guru" to the "guru's" and outmarketing other marketers that has many people reaching for the top rung in IM.

For example, if I operate the most successful weight loss site on the internet - that makes me a leader in my niche, BUT what if I could also be a leader among ALL internet marketers no matter what niche they are in?

That's where the ego comes in...

Jeff

[Ron Douglas]

Originally Posted by Daniel E Taylor

It's funny because I'm more of the opposite.

People BEG me to get into the IM niche. Beg me
to release products. Beg to send me 1000's to coach
them.

But I just don't have the desire. I love my niche
and I have so much fun that it's not even work.

Doing an IM product is boring as hell to me.

And I'm probably one of the few "successful" marketers
who actually lives the LIFESTYLE most of you dream about.

Some days send out one email and make good money.

2 month vacations. And stuff like that.

But I get what you're saying!

Rock on Daniel. Would you please tell us your secrets - please, pretty please lol .

[Daniel E Taylor]

Originally Posted by jbsmith

My guess is that IM leaders are driven as much by ego as they are by the money. It's the idea of being a "guru" to the "guru's" and outmarketing other marketers that has many people reaching for the top rung in IM.

For example, if I operate the most successful weight loss site on the internet - that makes me a leader in my niche, BUT what if I could also be a leader among ALL internet marketers no matter what niche they are in?

That's where the ego comes in...

Jeff

I love you as a brother, but Your post was written
by your Ego and I sense some jealusy.

I don't like this type of talk because it hurts up and coming
marketers pyschologically and holds them back from succeeding.

Just because someone makes alot of money and chooses to make
alot more doesn't make them egotistical or greedy. Just means
they like making money, and ENJOY the finer things in life.

To make accusations when you obviously have never met
most of them to me is more egotisical and harmful than anything.

I'm not saying all marketers are saints, nor are they all Madoff's

What I'm saying is to assume and generalize based on the fact
they make lots of money is egotistical and harmful in my
humble (Yet very correct) opinion.

Daniel

[JayXtreme]

This is exactly what happened with my step into the I.M. niches...

I wasn't the kinda guy who dropped straight into this niche..

I found I.M. selling amazon books, dog care guides and software. Once I realised the true potential and carved my own success.. I wanted to share it.

I was a kid who found his own path out with internet marketing and wanted to share that with others...

I.M. saved my soul, a soul that was wealthy anyway.. but I was unhappy with the direction my life had taken... chained to my fathers business 7 days a week!

No greed, no ego (not much anyways..lol), just a real strong feeling that I could help others to do what I did to escape that other reality....

It's good to share what we have. And only fair that we are compensated for the time it takes to share/produce. And each day we learn more and more that in time, can also be shared...

Peace

Jay

[J smith]

Well, it makes sense doesn't it? If you are going to call yourself a "guru" and try to enter IM niche, then the first questions most people will wonder about is: "What have you done?" being able to say "I've earned x amount in blah blah niche" seems like a much better answer than "Not much, but I have these really awesome marketing ideas you'll love!"

Plus, it's also a natural progression, why not make money teaching people how you made money? They already have the knowledge and credentials to back up their claims.

[kf]

Don't want this gem to be missed. Great point Ron.

Originally Posted by Ron Douglas

I think it's because the 'make money' market is low hanging fruit for those who are already ultra successful. Plus, if you can get the top guys to endorse you as a peer, you are golden.

But it seems like you have to get millions first before people put you in that circle.

I guess the other point is - you don't need to be in that circle to get millions.

[internetmarketer99]

Originally Posted by Daniel E Taylor

... in my humble (Yet very correct) opinion.

Daniel

Wow

Mark

[moneysoapbox]

That's probably the best way to do it - to become successful in another niche and then transfer your success to the IM niche. Any resulting info products are not only more effective, but sound more natural.

That's probably another newbie mistake right there - trying to teach other people how to make money when they haven't made a dime themselves. (When I first started out I attempted the IM niche, but I *never* wrote a make-thousands-today-with-affiliate-marketing guide!)

[jbsmith]

Dude Daniel - chiill man...someone pee in your cornflakes today?

I'm not ragging on them - there is nothing wrong with having ego - I'm not trying to put them down and I do very well online, so jelousy is not at work here, sorry to disappoint.

I happen to know many of the top marketers personally, not all certainly and have no problem supporting what I say. Again - I'm NOT putting them down, I am pointing out a key psychological driver for what motivates top marketers to navigate toward IM.

If I am wrong - why do the big launches run public affiliate contests? That's ego driven man...no two ways about it!

Jeff

[Daniel E Taylor]

Originally Posted by jbsmith

Dude Daniel - chiill man...someone pee in your cornflakes today?

I'm not ragging on them - there is nothing wrong with having ego - I'm not trying to put them down and I do very well online, so jelousy is not at work here, sorry to disappoint.

I happen to know many of the top marketers personally, not all certainly and have no problem supporting what I say. Again - I'm NOT putting them down, I am pointing out a key psychological driver for what motivates top marketers to navigate toward IM.

If I am wrong - why do the big launches run public affiliate contests? That's ego driven man...no two ways about it!

Jeff

I'm already chill. You gave your opinion and I gave mine.

Looks like I struct a chord with you because I had no intentions
of being negative, mean, or anything.

I'm speaking my mind, but I guess the general consesus is if it's
not "Lets sing koom-by-ya" then I must be angry and attacking.

*Shrugs*

[MichaelHiles]

If you understand marketing and sales fundamentals, and can apply that to a niche, it doesn't matter what you're selling.

[jbsmith]

Daniel - your a gas man...would have come off as a more objective "stating your opinion" if you hadn't slammed me as 'jelous' first.

Show me a successful business person in ANY industry that wasn't at least partly driven by ego...not likely.

Once again, that is not a negative statement, please don't portray my comments in a way in which they were not intended.

Capiche!

Jeff

[Nicholas William]

scott. looks like the convo deviated way off from where you started it buddy!
gotta love forums and the way people jossle to be understood huh

I think what you were hinting at, was that some (not all) people position themselves as IM gurus when really they are just good at one particular niche. We all probably have our own interpretation of the word guru, but to me that would mean that they've been working in IM for a decade or more and have the ability to teach every single minute detail of Internet Marketing. Going on the stories of most gurus these days, you will see that they've only learned the general strokes of IM techniques from other peoples products within the last few years. It's great to have an overview of something, but understanding the underlying technology and all that comes with it is a true test of guru status.

But at this point in my reply, everything becomes relevant. If you were a newbie, and you've only just stumbled into the IM game then anyone with a product and coaching course will of course appear like a guru as anything they teach you is more than you already knew about the subject. For those of us that have worked in IM since the 90's and still dont tout ourselves as gurus, then the perspective is slightly different in that we just see varying levels of experience because technically we're all veterans and still have new techniques to invent, explore and learn.

I've been reading your stuff for a while now Scotty, and I'm pretty sure you fall into the second category, so I know where you were coming from on this post

ps. Mike F. rocks!

[Nicholas William]

pps. I think that a more accurate title for the people we are talking about here should be IM Super Stars, because they are successful and well known in the Industry as opposed to being all knowing Gurus

[CDarklock]

I think it really does make a good point to say that the IM Gurus are ego-driven.

Fundamentally, to make a lot of money in the IM space selling MMO products, you generally have to stand up and talk to people. A lot. You have to brand yourself. You have to talk about yourself. You have to promote yourself.

How can you do that with no ego?

The kind of people who make the most noise in this niche are ego-driven. They have the whole "look at me!" thing going on, all the time. There's nothing wrong with that. I can't go five minutes without doing something that boils down to "look at me!" on some level.

And yes, I'm eyeing that niche and looking for my way in... but there has to be substance behind it. That's what a lot of the scammers don't quite grasp; just being good at the "look at me!" part isn't enough. You have to deliver real value, and that means you have to dig out some real value on your own dime first.

If you look at the big names in IM, they aren't just "look at me!" people - they walk their talk, and they've made the "big big big money" on their own side of the fence. There's pretty much nobody out there who gets attention in the IM space and hasn't banked hard with IM. And from my perspective, that means you pull five figures a month, or you don't get to be a guru.

My two cents, anyway.