Put $300 in your pocket everyday with The Yellow Pages

[Handsome J]

Originally Posted by drwhogoesthere

Have you ever wondered why service station dont have web sites? They dont need them. Not evey business needs a web page. In fact for some people doing a web page would take more effort than it is worth. The people such as lawnmowers, TV repair people, they need classified ads, not a web page.

There is helping people and using people. I dont like this idea and I cant see anybody who mows lawns really getting a good ROI.

A generalized statement is not always a right one. I agree using people is bad, if a business cannot benefit from services like the ones we are discussing, I agree to pass on them. My thing is, if you bring a landscaper, service station, or a TV repair guy more paying clients through a website you provided him and he pulls a profit off those people that exceeds his cost of doing business with you, then he is getting a good deal. Even if its only a few hundred a year. Like the old adage "a few hundred of something is better than zero of nothing".

I only chimed in because you mentioned TV Repair guy. I happened to do a search on just that as I have a Rear Projection Mitsubishi HDTV that lost its focus on its screen when I moved recently. Apparently the red green and blue projector lenses shifted, hence my need for just that guy you had said would not benefit from online exposure. I thought that was funny.

[TimCastleman]

Warriorsellingebooks -

Is this really in your sig line - My Wife is Bleeding Because of this Device

I clicked on the link. Wow, nice enhancement device and a great way to sell it by telling people they can tear up their wives insides.

WOW.

[David McAnulty]

Originally Posted by TimCastleman

Warriorsellingebooks -

Is this really in your sig line - My Wife is Bleeding Because of this Device

I clicked on the link. Wow, nice enhancement device and a great way to sell it by telling people they can tear up their wives insides.

WOW.

I think we can both agree on that one. I literally started laughing out loud.

That is absolutely outrageous! We are all discussing value in this this thread and that is PRICELESS!

[FaJeeb]

I've done this before while I was in high school for local professional wrestlers and all I was using was Dreamweaver. I didn't make much money, but I also didn't apply myself nor have much confidence in myself. Another good way to do this is to contact bands on myspace or through other social networks.

Be prepared to explain everything you can do for them and how valuable your service is.


I think I'm going to start this back up again.

[AndrewCavanagh]

Originally Posted by Handsome J

if you bring a landscaper, service station, or a TV repair guy more paying clients through a website you provided him and he pulls a profit off those people that exceeds his cost of doing business with you, then he is getting a good deal.

Exactly right.

The most important thing is being genuinely committed to making sure when you work with a client you bring him in more profits than he pays you.

Kindest regards,
Andrew Cavanagh

[dfaitel]

I have worked for the yellow pages and yes the paper directories are dying along with other print media.
If you like building sites, go for it. Your idea is viable, yet you need to charge more. We all know as networkers the value of our business is our list. An auto responder is a must have for ANY business be it a repair shop or attorney.

[joshril]

Originally Posted by TimCastleman

I clicked on the link.

I guess his headline worked...

[-Jericho-]

Great tip. If you use programs to do off site SEO like SENuke or anything else you could also offer services to get them on the first page of google. Or you could just check sites that aren't on the first page and offer to get them on the front page if it looks easy for $500. Then charge them a monthly fee for keeping them there.

[TimCastleman]

Originally Posted by joshril

I guess his headline worked...

Actually it didn't. I clicked on it because I thought "who would be stupid enough to put this on the warrior forum and actually be proud to say he hurt his wife." I got my answer, I clicked off, and blocked the user.

[JohnMcCabe]

Originally Posted by drwhogoesthere

Have you ever wondered why service station dont have web sites? They dont need them. Not evey business needs a web page. In fact for some people doing a web page would take more effort than it is worth. The people such as lawnmowers, TV repair people, they need classified ads, not a web page.

There is helping people and using people. I dont like this idea and I cant see anybody who mows lawns really getting a good ROI.

Looks like another serious case of tunnel vision here.

You seem to be assuming that the sole reason to have a web page, much less a complete site, is to generate cash customers via search results.

There are more terms in the equation...

Start by adding the url in those classified ads you mentioned. Use the ad to generate clicks to a web page, where an offer can be expanded at much lower cost. If I can go online and see that my potential lawn guy has lived in the area for years and is confident enough to present photos (better yet, video) of his work, I'm more confident in calling him.

Having basic information available on a web page can also cut down hassles for the lawn guy. I've watched various professionals have to spend time between jobs returning phone calls - or even starting and stopping to answer their cell.

A web site can also be a valuable tool for making a selection. If the business in the classified ad is a one-man band with a riding mower and a string trimmer, and I need someone who can also trim the trees, tend the flower beds, remulch when needed, etc., I can tell from the web site. I can keep looking, and he doesn't have to spend valuable time explaining to me what he can't do.

If the client and provider are a little more ambitious, they can even add a service request form to help with scheduling.

All of the above could be valuable even if Google shut down tomorrow.

[RyanT]

Haha it's really cool that you put this up because I've been doing this off and on for some quick cash.

I usually pocket $200 everytime.

Thanks for givin away the secret!!!!
I'm kidding of course

But yes this works and it works well so give it a try

[DeadGuy]

I'm in complete agreement with the other warriors who have told you to focus on the customer value-added side of your services. There is much more money to be made by showing your clients how to improve their own revenue stream(s).

To free up your time a bit more to concentrate on that area, you might want to consider hiring a website jock to do the dirty work. (Website arbitrage.?.) Good web designers will occasionally do great work for french fries.

[DennisM]

Originally Posted by drwhogoesthere

Have you ever wondered why service station dont have web sites? They dont need them. Not evey business needs a web page. In fact for some people doing a web page would take more effort than it is worth. The people such as lawnmowers, TV repair people, they need classified ads, not a web page.

There is helping people and using people. I dont like this idea and I cant see anybody who mows lawns really getting a good ROI.

That's a ridiculous response. Do you not think these service busineses cannot eventually find ONE customer in a year...or even the lifetime of the website that's up and running?

All you need is a one page website, with a simple local keyword(s) and phone number. That phone will ring eventually.

Unbelievable.

CAVEAT: It's getting ridiculous with all these newbies on the WF giving out misguided advice.

Regards,
Dennis

[dremy154]

Originally Posted by TimCastleman

Guys and gals -

Just got off the phone with Elsom Eldridge Jr. (obvious expert author) about offline marketing for an upcoming teleseminar series.

One thing I stressed what charging what you are worth from the beginning. One cheap gig only gets you another cheap gig. Stop working for pennies and start charging dollars.

If you don't start at the beginning it is hard to change course along the way.

Tim

Absolutely right.

It's called "setting presidence, and it applies to anything in life. Relationships, childrearing, friendships.... you get the idea.

If you teach them that they can get away with it, they will. The public at large will take what they can get, for as cheap as they can get it.

If you let your kids get away with doing things that they know are wrong without there being consequences that they have to pay, you have "set the presidence" that they can do what they want without fear of consequence, and they will go through life with that mentality. (Just an example, but a good one.)

[Kevin AKA Hubcap]

Didn't Walmart have a higher priced fashion line that didn't do so well? For the most part people think of Walmart as bargain basement. I guess they can change their image over time but it won't happen quickly... kinda of like getting an oil tanker to stop on a dime.

Kevin

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Mike, my wife works at WalMart, and from what they say is coming, even Mr. Sam's heirs aren't banking their future on the original model. They've already squeezed every bit of juice available from browbeating suppliers for low prices. Now they want to move upscale, too.

Watch for more celebrity-endorsed lines at the big W, including ladies fashions, kids' clothes, even food and wine (would you care to sniff the carton flap?).

[JohnMcCabe]

Originally Posted by Kevin AKA Hubcap

Didn't Walmart have a higher priced fashion line that didn't do so well? For the most part people think of Walmart as bargain basement. I guess they can change their image over time but it won't happen quickly... kinda of like getting an oil tanker to stop on a dime.

Kevin

They did. From what I've seen, the first wave of this new initiative is going to come in the grocery department. Watch for a line of wines...

[kvnkane]

just curious how many pages to you create for $300 and do you do any seo for them at all?

[Black Hat Cat]

Originally Posted by DennisM

That's a ridiculous response. Do you not think these service busineses cannot eventually find ONE customer in a year...or even the lifetime of the website that's up and running?

Getting one $50 customer over the lifetime of a $300(or more) website isn't exactly a good deal.

CAVEAT: It's getting ridiculous with all these newbies on the WF giving out misguided advice.

Regards,
Dennis

As long as the advice is misguided, that is.

[Melodican]

Wow... Great thread, I used to do this sort of stuff with new companies and startups in London. I was doing most of the cold calling and expressing the fact that everyones on the net these days and really, it's a great shop front for the amazing services & products they offer... Get them excited about it... Close the sale.

The surprising fact to me is that since then (2 years ago) I get regular emails/phone calls from people I outsourced a site for saying that it has increased their business 30%+, even though SEO, AR etc wasn't part of the service... Maybe I should re-open this little business.

I believe that because some of you think that some businesses don't need a website, we aren't looking at the businesses needs creatively enough. Really, EVERY business needs some kind of online presence, seriously, I guarantee I could find an angle in which to make a site for any business in any niche.... This is your job, not the clients. Google is their biggest tool to make them the goto guy in their niche.

Anyway, I think I just heard the new yellow pages drop through my door.... I Might make afew calls tomorrow for old times sake.

As for making my wife bleed, I fell for the link too.... Funny man.... Sick, but funny !

[kiopa]

Originally Posted by TimCastleman

David -

The only people who trade hours for dollars are hourly employees. Are you one of those? Or are you a business owner? A business owner understands value.

If you target better clients you get higher fees. I don't work for dollar stores, I work for doctors. Why - the same reason people rob banks - that is where the money is.

And you never compare your services Apples to Apples with another provider. I am not a commodity.

Tim

All depends on your business plan, direction, market, and how efficient your operations are. Selling for cheap, cheap managed to do companies such as Walmart wonders...

[GeorgR.]

Originally Posted by TimCastleman

David -

The only people who trade hours for dollars are hourly employees. Are you one of those? Or are you a business owner? A business owner understands value.

If you target better clients you get higher fees. I don't work for dollar stores, I work for doctors. Why - the same reason people rob banks - that is where the money is.

And you never compare your services Apples to Apples with another provider. I am not a commodity.

Tim

Tim,

this is so great and refreshing reading this. If you hang out on IM forums and [make the mistake to] target other IMers - sometimes it feels like a bazaar in afghanistan where people haggle and offer or seek services for PENNIES.

People installing complete web sites for $25 or writing articles for $2.50. It is a freaking joke sometimes.

I am making web sites myself, i KNOW how how much time it takes..why on earth are people making FOOLS out of themselves and offering jobs like web design or installation for a few bucks?

I like your approach a lot. People, don't under-sell your skills and knowledge! Simply because THERE IS NO REASON TO.

[sohailanwar]

good idea to Put $300 in your pocket everyday with The Yellow Pages it is posibal

[sohailanwar]

you earn 300$ daily But your Wife Work In Wal Mart She dont Know Online Work?

[CurtisSWN]

As I see it offline marketing is still going to be the wild, wild west for some time to come. Plenty of opportunity for go-getters.

[xatsmann]

Originally Posted by TimCastleman

Guys stop thinking pennies and start thinking dollars. I don't get out of bed for $300. Seriously, remember your value and CHARGE MORE.

People who think that simple web hosting/design is worth more than a few hundred dollars need to re-examine the market--its NOT worth more than that if that is what the market will bear. You can't decide what the customer will pay because it is what you want or we'd all be making a million bucks a year.

[paulie888]

Love the discussion going on here. Ultimately, to build a viable and long term offline business model, you want to present yourself as an authority figure and expert who delivers value to the customer, as opposed to a commodity that may or may not deliver anything. People will pay an astounding amount of money for relatively simple web services as long as they get true value, aka a return on their investment.

[GeorgR.]

Originally Posted by xatsmann

People who think that simple web hosting/design is worth more than a few hundred dollars need to re-examine the market--its NOT worth more than that if that is what the market will bear. You can't decide what the customer will pay because it is what you want or we'd all be making a million bucks a year.

Well of course i can decide what the customer will pay. That's the whole point of this thread.

However, if you go to digital beggar forum and try to sell your service there....much luck Do you think that $300 - $500 for a doctor or whatever professional is a lot of money? I think that price is actually "just right" and fair for good work and some hours spent on a site.

[Fenshon]

Originally Posted by Michael Taylor

I agree.

On the other hand, if someone is just starting out selling to bricks and mortar businesses, a handful of $500 websites may be just the thing to gain confidence, build a starter portfolio, and gather testimonials.

But after a few, ramp those charges up to $3000 for a 10 page website, $2500 for a TubeMoguled video, $500 autoresponder setup, etc.

Whatever you guys do, do NOT stay at the Wal-Mart Special pricing level or you'll eventually get sick of your business and dump it.

$300 is serious income in west Africa, where i come from.

[JayPeete]

Great info David.

Even if the method was short-lived (which it is not), you could use it to catapult your success in another category of IM.

[Dennis Gaskill]

One thing that seems to be overlooked here in regards to pricing is that if you're working the local market, then the local economy and local pricing have to factor into your prices. Try selling a $5,000 website to lawn mowing service in a town of 2,000 people and you'll get absolutely nowhere every time.

The OP is trying to share a way to make quick money with little work from small, local businesses who typically can barely afford a yellow pages listing and a few newspaper ads. These kind of businesses in this kind of location just aren't going to shell out thousands of dollars for a web site very often. By the time you find one that will, you may have sold 10 others at a cost that more closely reflects the local economy.

This style of marketing isn't for someone with the skills and expertise to build multi-faceted big business websites for businesses with huge budgets, it's for small town folks catering to small town businesses.

There's room for that too. You just can't impose your reality on the rest of the world. The conditions just aren't the same everywhere.

[Michael Thorsett]

Originally Posted by xatsmann

People who think that simple web hosting/design is worth more than a few hundred dollars need to re-examine the market--its NOT worth more than that if that is what the market will bear. You can't decide what the customer will pay because it is what you want or we'd all be making a million bucks a year.

Tell that to Dan Kennedy. Or any other of the ultra-high-priced consultants that are doing exactly what you say they can't do.

[Anthony La Tour]

Originally Posted by David McAnulty

Hey Everyone,

Here is something I started noticing not to long ago. If you go through your yellow pages, Google, and/or craigslist and look for lawnmowing companies there are dozens of them and 75% of the companies do not have a website.

Simply call their contact # introduce yourself and explain that you can have them a professional looking website up and running in less than a week for under $500 bucks. If they accept take it over to to Warriors for Hire, Elance, RentCoder which ever you prefer. Have them create a basic but professional website for no more than $200 and pocket the rest. If you are slightly efficient a Dreamweaver you can handle this.

I also found this works well for tv installers, handymen, and a few other businesses where individuals have low start up cost.

To take it even a step further keep all the contact information for the individuals you do business. In a few months follow up with them and offer your services to put an autoresponder in place for a small fee $150 so that they can capture leads and make more sales.

I have a friend that does something similar to this. He does pretty good. Personally, I wouldn't do it... I hate talking on the phone. It is a little money make though.

There's a product out there that teaches you how to become a middleman. He would find distributors through online resources and sell them to offline business, and he keeps a fee. He only used the Yellow Pages to find offline businesses.

Best regards,
Anthony

[TimG]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Tim,

this is so great and refreshing reading this. If you hang out on IM forums and [make the mistake to] target other IMers - sometimes it feels like a bazaar in afghanistan where people haggle and offer or seek services for PENNIES.

People installing complete web sites for $25 or writing articles for $2.50. It is a freaking joke sometimes.

I am making web sites myself, i KNOW how how much time it takes..why on earth are people making FOOLS out of themselves and offering jobs like web design or installation for a few bucks?

I like your approach a lot. People, don't under-sell your skills and knowledge! Simply because THERE IS NO REASON TO.

That is part of the vacuum environment that has been created by people looking to make quick money.

Ironically enough, I remember when firesales used to actually mean a huge discount on an assortment of products based on a valid need or special reason. Now, you see as much or more content in a bundled package for half the price...it's really a shame.

Why do marketers like Kern, Pagen and others charge high prices for their products? Because they have established themselves and will not work for peasant wages.

The same can be said for offline marketing - Establish yourself and as you build your client base continue to increase your rates.

Respectfully,
Tim

[joshril]

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

One thing that seems to be overlooked here in regards to pricing is that if you're working the local market, then the local economy and local pricing have to factor into your prices. Try selling a $5,000 website to lawn mowing service in a town of 2,000 people and you'll get absolutely nowhere every time.

The OP is trying to share a way to make quick money with little work from small, local businesses who typically can barely afford a yellow pages listing and a few newspaper ads. These kind of businesses in this kind of location just aren't going to shell out thousands of dollars for a web site very often. By the time you find one that will, you may have sold 10 others at a cost that more closely reflects the local economy.

This style of marketing isn't for someone with the skills and expertise to build multi-faceted big business websites for businesses with huge budgets, it's for small town folks catering to small town businesses.

There's room for that too. You just can't impose your reality on the rest of the world. The conditions just aren't the same everywhere.

Agreed.

I also think that doing something as opposed to doing nothing is a good philosophy to adopt. Instead of thinking about how to build an "offline" business, the OP has taken the initiative, contacted some business owners, helped them out, and made some money.

Is he going to get rich offering basic websites? Probably not... But as another poster mentioned, it's a great way to get out of the 9-5 and to start making enough money to work on some more passive income streams (offline or online).

Additionally, only good can come from talking to business owners. You never know who that small lawn care business owner might know... Opportunities tend to present themselves when you put yourself out there. Plus, the OP is building a list of clients that now trust him to some extent that he can go back and market additional services, consulting, seminars, info products, etc. to in the future.

[eaglechick]

Not long ago a fellow warrior cried out for some help with his Wordpress site. To say the least it did'nt look good at all. He designed it for his company (taxes) and apparently just needed to get it online asap. I offered to do it for him in XSPro and in the end I offered to do it for free!

I spend the 3-4 hours putting it up, designed a stunner graphic, bought some images and put it on. In the end it really looked professional.

What happened? I PM'ed him, even offering to host it for a couple of months - NEVER heard from him again.

I've got the contact email details of the company, sometimes I just want to gently let them know what happened and tell them here is the site - please use it! CHEERS!

LESSON LEARNED - NO FREEBIES!

[Mike Adams]

Originally Posted by joshril

Webdesign will get more and more competitive, but I am certain he was being sarcastic. There are literally millions of businesses that need help navigating the perils of online marketing. It's like the Old West or the Gold Rush was back in the 1800's... stake your claim!

Just remember...

If there’s a gold rush and there not much gold,

you can still make a lot of money selling shovels.

-Larry Hite

[Drover]

Why would you pay someone $200 to build the site for you? If you're in this business, you should be able to build a simple site for a lawn business in about 15 minutes with Wordpress.

I will say though that this method is getting pretty popular already. Every time I post on Craigslist, regardless of category, I get 5-10 spam emails from people offering this service.

[mjzivko]

My 2 cents is that you should figure out a way to add residual income from these clients. Otherwise what is the point?

Also, the whole point of your perspective clients getting a website is to generate more business. So if you can create them a nice site, then generate them business, and charge them a fair price every month to maintain the site, then you make some real money.

I used to be a Realtor before I was a full time internet-preneur. I made killing as a Realtor selling foreclosed bank owned properties. I was the lead salesman for the biggest foreclosure brokerage in Illinois. I would sell a home and collect a commission. But the problem is that I had to keep selling homes to make more money. The grind of selling homes eventually brought me to a conclusion that residual money is much greener then any other type of income.

Take your little idea and figure a way to get a few hundred bucks from these companies every month. You wont have to keep selling and selling after you close 20-30 clients.

[jdenc]

Really? You guys actually think a guy running a lawn service is giving you big bucks for a web site? Ain't happening. I guess if I had P&G I wouldn't bother either. But apparently they have a guy.

I think you have to look at every market and decide how to price it. And if you are just starting out or starting over with no portfolio you can show(as I am) you need to rebuild that. I'll take less now to build up that portfolio and get some folks talking. In fact I know I have read one of the posters who has slammed this say he built up by offering to do websites on the cheap walking door to door. On Tuesday of this week that's exactly what I'll be doing. I have some businesses I have a history with that are getting a visit. I'll make it clear that their pricing isn't always going to be the price and I'll tell them exactly why it is the price. Being small businesses I expect them to understand and realize they are getting a deal. And I'll also be going back to them after a couple of weeks when their shiny new website has made them a customer or two and talk about an SEO campaign which will be the next logical step. But I won't ever get P&G money. However at this level it is about volume and if I can nail down 3 new clients on Tuesday I will be moving in the right direction. Money coming in, someone else paying for my hosting and subsidizing what I want to do online while I also get to eat. Right now that works for me.

So thanks to the OP I don't why I didn't think of that but my sales call list just got bigger.

[rts2271]

Wouldn't the FTC step in as this would be a violation of telemarkeitng without a registration to the DNC list?

Originally Posted by David McAnulty

Hey Everyone,

Here is something I started noticing not to long ago. If you go through your yellow pages, Google, and/or craigslist and look for lawnmowing companies there are dozens of them and 75% of the companies do not have a website.

Simply call their contact # introduce yourself and explain that you can have them a professional looking website up and running in less than a week for under $500 bucks. If they accept take it over to to Warriors for Hire, Elance, RentCoder which ever you prefer. Have them create a basic but professional website for no more than $200 and pocket the rest. If you are slightly efficient a Dreamweaver you can handle this.

I also found this works well for tv installers, handymen, and a few other businesses where individuals have low start up cost.

To take it even a step further keep all the contact information for the individuals you do business. In a few months follow up with them and offer your services to put an autoresponder in place for a small fee $150 so that they can capture leads and make more sales.

[rts2271]

Also 2 other points I didn't mention. This method is way underpriced, but I'm fine with it cause people who buy cheap web sites come to me 3 months later and want one done right.

2 Smartphones. Use places directory on a android and whatever app it is on a iToy. It pulls all the business in your area by geo-info and displays them by distance. Think that gas station doesn't need a web site? If someone uses a smartphone app and has a need, the first business to come up has a good shot at the business. This is going to be a hotly contested war zone in 12 months. The op found gold, the method might not be legal in the US without some digging into telemarketing laws, but it's still gold.

Nice job man.

[fourthday]

What a great idea.. I would have never thought of it own my own.. Thanks so much. Deb

Originally Posted by David McAnulty

Hey Everyone,

Here is something I started noticing not to long ago. If you go through your yellow pages, Google, and/or craigslist and look for lawnmowing companies there are dozens of them and 75% of the companies do not have a website.

Simply call their contact # introduce yourself and explain that you can have them a professional looking website up and running in less than a week for under $500 bucks. If they accept take it over to to Warriors for Hire, Elance, RentCoder which ever you prefer. Have them create a basic but professional website for no more than $200 and pocket the rest. If you are slightly efficient a Dreamweaver you can handle this.

I also found this works well for tv installers, handymen, and a few other businesses where individuals have low start up cost.

To take it even a step further keep all the contact information for the individuals you do business. In a few months follow up with them and offer your services to put an autoresponder in place for a small fee $150 so that they can capture leads and make more sales.

[jdenc]

Originally Posted by rts2271

Also 2 other points I didn't mention. This method is way underpriced, but I'm fine with it cause people who buy cheap web sites come to me 3 months later and want one done right.

2 Smartphones. Use places directory on a android and whatever app it is on a iToy. It pulls all the business in your area by geo-info and displays them by distance. Think that gas station doesn't need a web site? If someone uses a smartphone app and has a need, the first business to come up has a good shot at the business. This is going to be a hotly contested war zone in 12 months. The op found gold, the method might not be legal in the US without some digging into telemarketing laws, but it's still gold.

Nice job man.

Inexpensive doesn't mean bad every time.

[rts2271]

True,
but when your undercutting a market by 75% chances are it is. Now if your giving them a 1000.00 piece of work for 300 bux and have it in mind it's a opportunity generator and loss leader, then yes I agree 100% that it's a smart move. But without a plan for upsells or cross sells what you end up selling them is either a junk site that they will be hating on you in 90 days or your spending too much time effort and energy that can be used to make money. If it takes a person 4 hours to do this then they are making 100 a hour. If it takes them 8 then it's 50, longer and you get the idea. If you valuate your time , and I do put a value to my time, then for me this is a loss from the start. I'm either going to lose money because to do a quality job will take a minimum of 8 hours or clients because of substandard rushed work. I guess it really depends on the person.
This doesn't even factor in that lowballed clients are 100 times the support headache and generally nitpick the work. So now you have 2 then 3 days involved and the guy at Burger King has made more per hour then you.

Originally Posted by jdenc

Inexpensive doesn't mean bad every time.

[jdenc]

Originally Posted by rts2271

True,
but when your undercutting a market by 75% chances are it is. Now if your giving them a 1000.00 piece of work for 300 bux and have it in mind it's a opportunity generator and loss leader, then yes I agree 100% that it's a smart move. But without a plan for upsells or cross sells what you end up selling them is either a junk site that they will be hating on you in 90 days or your spending too much time effort and energy that can be used to make money. If it takes a person 4 hours to do this then they are making 100 a hour. If it takes them 8 then it's 50, longer and you get the idea. If you valuate your time , and I do put a value to my time, then for me this is a loss from the start. I'm either going to lose money because to do a quality job will take a minimum of 8 hours or clients because of substandard rushed work. I guess it really depends on the person.
This doesn't even factor in that lowballed clients are 100 times the support headache and generally nitpick the work. So now you have 2 then 3 days involved and the guy at Burger King has made more per hour then you.

Yeah I can go along with all that I think. My plan is more in line with the loss leader and opportunity generator.

[goodfriend2u]

Sounds like some good money. But it sounds kind of risky since you are actually outsourcing the job to another individual.

[Mr. Enthusiastic]

Originally Posted by greff

Run for cover! April 27, 2010 is right around the corner. It was foretold by Nostrodamus too.

As always, the prophecy is only understandable when it's too late. How sad!

In the ides plus nine of tax month, two years 'ere the end
A giant plug is pulled and awesome terror descend
On those whose half a K of coding and design
Have finally reached obsolescence, shutdown, end of line
Till off in gloomy sunset sail those who used to counsel
Those from page of yellow who to find their customers
Yet used to strive to online go like helpless fauns
To find no further clients amongst those who would mow lawns.