Let Others Complain. Here's How I got 41,000 Views On Just One Article At EZA. Video Inside.

[JohnMcCabe]

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

I really honestly don't think that the strategy I outlined violates their TOS. Now, I understand that it's their site and they can do anything they want with it, but IMHO I am not violating their TOS.

Having said that, If they ban, they ban. As I said, it's their directory.

MorganRichman

Personally, I think you are skating on some mighty thin ice with this one. But that's not what I want to talk about...

James, and others, are asking why anyone would want to pay to drive traffic to someone else's site. Better to drive the traffic to one's own site.

I say it doesn't have to be an either/or thing. If you know your numbers, driving traffic to an article on another site could be profitable. If your profit per subscriber - from EZA, let's say - is greater than the cost of generating that subscriber, you have a positive ROI.

If you have limited resources, and you can generate a higher ROI from driving the traffic to your own site, then that's the way to go.

If you can, you do both, unless you can prove that the one with the lower ROI is cannibalizing the higher-return activity.

[GuerrillaIM]

Your method basically boils down to "pay someone else to do it"(unless i completely missed the point somewhere). I think this is risky as you cannot verify their methods as you do not have access to EZA's logs.

Your article is in most viewed so it has been published within the last 90 days. You have had 41,000 views and get 2-7 subscribers per day. It looks to me like you have bought junk traffic and these subscribers are finding you through most viewed link and probably some seo traffic.

I can't see how this is different to buying a traffic package from a site. It seems you are just asking someone to buy it on your behalf. I probably have missed the point somewhere so I apologise if that is the case.

[Morgan Richman]

That might be the case, but again, I paid for legit traffic. It's now up to the provider of the traffic to be honest with me. That's how I take it.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM

Your method basically boils down to "pay someone else to do it"(unless i completely missed the point somewhere). I think this is risky as you cannot verify their methods as you do not have access to EZA's logs.

Your article is in most viewed so it has been published within the last 90 days. You have had 41,000 views and get 2-7 subscribers per day. It looks to me like you have bought junk traffic and these subscribers are finding you through most viewed link and probably some seo traffic.

I can't see how this is different to buying a traffic package from a site. It seems you are just asking someone to buy it on your behalf. I probably have missed the point somewhere so I apologise if that is the case.

Originally Posted by Scott Million

The reason why you would pay for traffic to an EZA is to build up your stats to tap into all the traffic within that network, which you could never do with a million of your own sites.

While this particular method of doing so may tick off article marketers who work hard to get the most views in the way they consider 'white hat', this is clever.

Bring it on! I say leverage what can be leveraged...

Here goes an idea - Use social media properly and you build that traffic to your article properly... Of course this method also requires a high quality article to be written too... Doing it properly you could easily have hundreds to your articles within hours and that is only using 1 social media site.

Sorry but no way would I pay for traffic to someone elses site. You can justify it until the cows come home but many of your are misleading newbies into thinking they can just go use a bunch of black hat methods to have their article show.

This is why steven wanted this thread removed and I agree 100% ...

James

[GuerrillaIM]

Is that so you can sleep at night? Only joking

Save yourself a few bucks and buy the fake traffic direct. If they ban you for it just spam all your competitors with loads of fake traffic and get them banned also. (not really suggesting you do this, just illustrating a point)

EZA is between a rock and a hard place. It is possible to filter some fake traffic but if you know what you are doing you can game any system they setup. How can they ban you for offpage factors?? It could be someone else doing it.

I don't buy traffic to my articles as it is easy enough to generate it legit, but even so I have created multiple accounts that I split my articles between to be safe incase one gets banned for some unkown reason.

[Morgan Richman]

I see your point James, and as I follow you quite closely and know what you do to the people on this forum, I respect it greatly, but I think that some people prefer to just pay for stuff rather than do the work. Nothing wrong about it.

I mean, I am not going to spend half a day doing tideous stuff if I can pay for it 50 bucks and not worry about it.

The above example is in no way connected to yours. What I am trying to say is that to some people a $50 really isn't much.

MorganRichman

EDIT: Just to make you happy James, because I like you: Newbies DON'T Try This At Home!

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Here goes an idea - Use social media properly and you build that traffic to your article properly... Of course this method also requires a high quality article to be written too... Doing it properly you could easily have hundreds to your articles within hours and that is only using 1 social media site.

Sorry but no way would I pay for traffic to someone elses site. You can justify it until the cows come home but many of your are misleading newbies into thinking they can just go use a bunch of black hat methods to have their article show.

This is why steven wanted this thread removed and I agree 100% ...

James

[GuerrillaIM]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

many of your are misleading newbies into thinking they can just go use a bunch of black hat methods to have their article show.

That's not misleading, you can do it, and most of the people who make a decent income from EZA do it, whether they admit to it or not. It just comes with risks.

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

I see your point James, and as I follow you quite closely and know what you do to the people on this forum, I respect it greatly, but I think that some people prefer to just pay for stuff rather than do the work. Nothing wrong about it.

I mean, I am not going to spend half a day doing tideous stuff if I can pay for it 50 bucks and not worry about it.

The above example is in no way connected to yours. What I am trying to say is that to some people a $50 really isn't much.

MorganRichman

Nothing wrong with paying someone for a service but paying for direct clicks to that article for the purpose to put it in the most viewed is unethical in my opinion and I sure would not want to see any newbies getting no bad ideas.

Now if you paid a buddy to go use social media sites such as digg, stumbleupon, clipmarks, and etc.. To generate that traffic then that is a different story. You are paying for social bookmarking. The thing is though many do not realize how powerful something like stumbleupon can really be.

I written an article not long ago for one of my sites and I posted that article on that site. I then went to stumbleupon and stumbled it, now because I have taken the time to build up my account and I have friends then when I stumbled the article, so did they.

Within a few hours I had 600 visits and 12 sales, so there goes $600 in a few hours just for writting an article and using social media which only took a "few minutes".. I have had more traffic and sales but I am not going to release those numbers.

Point being is I did it 100% ethically...

James

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Don't pay for PTC then...

Bookmark your site on Scuttle sites and let the trackbacks increase your views

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Don't pay for PTC then...

Bookmark your site on Scuttle sites and let the trackbacks increase your views

Will not get you very far as not many do it .. At least the few I deal with don't ..

This is the reason you build up your social profiles..

James

[Steven Wagenheim]

Look, you want to get a ton of visitors to your articles?

Build up a loyal HUGE following on Twitter (people who really care about
what you have to say) and then use EZA's automatic Tweet service to
broadcast whenever a new article of yours is published.

Since using Twitter, traffic to my blog and other articles has increased
by 4 times.

And it's legit.

Hell, even EZA approves of it.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Will not get you very far as not many do it .. At least the few I deal with don't ..

This is the reason you build up your social profiles..

James

lol...ever hear of autopligg?

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

then use EZA's automatic Tweet service to
broadcast whenever a new article of yours is published.

You mean EZA's attempt at twitter spam?

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

lol...ever hear of autopligg?

Nope dont use it ... As far as twitter on EZA, nothing wrong with that at all.. But they lacking in auto syndication a great deal ...lol

James

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Look, you want to get a ton of visitors to your articles?

Build up a loyal HUGE following on Twitter (people who really care about
what you have to say) and then use EZA's automatic Tweet service to
broadcast whenever a new article of yours is published.

Since using Twitter, traffic to my blog and other articles has increased
by 4 times.

And it's legit.

Hell, even EZA approves of it.

This I will agree with ...

James

[Morgan Richman]

So you guys are saying that it's ok for me to outsource link building and social bookmarking and forum posting and blog commenting and all that good stuff, but it's not ok to just go to someone and say "get me legit traffic" and pay for the full package?

Other than the fact that you can't verify the quality of the traffic, whereas if you outsource everything in pieces, you can actually get reports and stuff of how things got done, I don't see a difference.

Honestly don't.

MorganRichman

[redicelander]

Why should this be removed? We are not children. Also, it's funny how the article marketing WSO at the top of this forum right now just might suggest some things that violate the terms of service of Ezine as well (although that's a small part of the WSO), so why remove it?

[GuerrillaIM]

Hehe jeremy let cat out of bag. Another twist is to distribute link over large autoblog network.

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

So you guys are saying that it's ok for me to outsource link building and social bookmarking and forum posting and blog commenting and all that good stuff, but it's not ok to just go to someone and say "get me legit traffic" and pay for the full package?

Other than the fact that you can't verify the quality of the traffic, whereas if you outsource everything in pieces, you can actually get reports and stuff of how things got done, I don't see a difference.

Honestly don't.

MorganRichman

Morgan you do not see a difference between trying to generate clicks for the purpose of upping stats to get on the view page and actual social media ? Wow ...

First

You agree to not purchase or utilize PPC (PayPerClick), PPV (PayPerView) traffic, safelists, or traffic exchanges to artificially inflate your EzineArticles traffic stats. Doing so may result in your account being terminated.

Social meia is 100% different, these are people that you interact with and talk with and share things with. If you pay for a package for someone that has established accounts with social media then it is being done to get your article noticed and not for the sole purpose of just building hits up to be on the view page..

There is a huge difference...

Besides that social media other people tend to take your article and share it with their friends and their friends with their friends.. In other words if they like it, it can go viral easily. There are stumbles that have 50k, 60k, 100,00k 500,000k stumbles and higher...

The fact that you can tie facebook, twitter, and StumbleUpon together makes it even more powerful..

And this is just 3 places...

James

[Morgan Richman]

The reason why removing this thread was brought up is that when you do stuff like this you got to be careful. People didn't want some new, excited person to use what we talk about here without thinking.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by redicelander

Why should this be removed? We are not children. Also, it's funny how the article marketing WSO at the top of this forum right now just might suggest some things that violate the terms of service of Ezine as well (although that's a small part of the WSO), so why remove it?

[Morgan Richman]

Morgan you do not see a difference between trying to generate clicks for the purpose of upping stats to get on the view page and actual social media ? Wow ...

James,

Why are you using social media on your ezine articles? To present people with good content, drive traiffic to your site, AND to increase your view count, right?

Or amy I missing something here?

MorganRichman

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM

Hehe jeremy let cat out of bag. Another twist is to distribute link over large autoblog network.

lol - was holding that back

[theimdude]

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

So you guys are saying that it's ok for me to outsource link building and social bookmarking and forum posting and blog commenting and all that good stuff, but it's not ok to just go to someone and say "get me legit traffic" and pay for the full package?

Other than the fact that you can't verify the quality of the traffic, whereas if you outsource everything in pieces, you can actually get reports and stuff of how things got done, I don't see a difference.

Honestly don't.

MorganRichman

Now come on do you honestly believe that as you put it "get me legit traffic" your way is "legit traffic"

[Morgan Richman]

Yes I do. I pay for legit and I expect to get legit. If the provider wants to rip me off and give me fake traffic, that's his problem not mine.

Although they do mostly rip off. Unfortunately.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by theimdude

Now come on do you honestly believe that as you put it "get me legit traffic" your way is "legit traffic"

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

James,

Why are you using social media on your ezine articles? To present people with good content, drive traiffic to your site, AND to increase your view count, right?

Or amy I missing something here?

MorganRichman

Your missing the fact that I do not post to EZA at all .. No thanks! Got better things to do with my time then to sit there and build up a ad sense farm site.

James

[Morgan Richman]

Yeah, I mean...

I'm sorry. I kind of meant in general. I am sorry for the confusion.

I figured out a few hours back that you probably don't use EZA too much

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Your missing the fact that I do not post to EZA at all .. No thanks! Got better things to do with my time then to sit there and build up a ad sense farm site.

James

Morgan,
I build backlinks and traffic to my sites/blogs ... I do not build many backlinks to ad sense filled article directories.

James

[busting]

Jeremy Kelsall Rullllllllllllleeeeeeeezzzzzzzzz

[Morgan Richman]

Waht the crap!?! Don't make me mad man...

MorganRichman

EDIT: I do think you rule Jeremy Just don't like spammers.

Originally Posted by busting

Jeremy Kelsall Rullllllllllllleeeeeeeezzzzzzzzz

[Allen Graves]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I written an article not long ago for one of my sites and I posted that article on that site. I then went to stumbleupon and stumbled it, now because I have taken the time to build up my account and I have friends then when I stumbled the article, so did they.

Within a few hours I had 600 visits and 12 sales, so there goes $600 in a few hours just for writting an article and using social media which only took a "few minutes"..

Are you kidding me? StumbleUpon traffic is terrible for just about every niche. I find your stats very hard to fathom - I'd love to know what niche this was for.

You do get killer traffic to your article, but click-through rates are atrocious, and conversions are so rare that its not worth it for most people, no matter how long it takes.

Very poor example for most people...

I call that a Stumble Surge and I see it happen a few times a day with our articles. I can't reveal the stats either, but CTRs barely even reach 12 click-throughs with 600 views, much less 12 sales.

Allen

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Are you kidding me? StumbleUpon traffic is terrible for just about every niche. I find your stats very hard to fathom - I'd love to know what niche this was for.

You do get killer traffic to your article, but click-through rates are atrocious, and conversions are so rare that its not worth it for most people, no matter how long it takes.

Very poor example for most people...

I call that a Stumble Surge and I see it happen a few times a day with our articles. I can't reveal the stats either, but CTRs barely even reach 12 click-throughs with 600 views, much less 12 sales.

Allen

There are some very powerful people on stumbleupon, use it to it's ability and it will give back to you in return.. It may be terrible for you but not for me. Not a poor example at all because the it works.. Just like EZA works for those that like it, does not mean it works for everyone...

I will keep my social media and my sales and keep on improving upon it also.. I spend a great deal of time testing and figuring out things, thus why I work 16 - 18 hours a day 7 days a week...

James

[Morgan Richman]

There goes your 4 hour work week Just teasing. I am a figuring out type of person as well, but I wouldn't call it work. It's way too much fun for me.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

thus why I work 16 - 18 hours a day 7 days a week...

James

[Allen Graves]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

It may be terrible for you but not for me. Not a poor example at all because the it works..

Not me, bro - hundreds of people marketing their articles online covering hundreds of niches. It just doesn't work well for most niches...at least the ones that I have the privelege of watching.

I will say that there are other Social Marketing scenes that provide some good traffic and CTs, but SU ain't one of them.

Then again, as we both plead with people to do - test it for yourself!

Allen

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Not me, bro - hundreds of people marketing their articles online covering hundreds of niches. It just doesn't work well for most niches...at least the ones that I have the privelege of watching.

I will say that there are other Social Marketing scenes that provide some good traffic and CTs, but SU ain't one of them.

Then again, as we both plead with people to do - test it for yourself!

Allen

Matter of opinion.. Me I test ... If it works then I tweak it and try a few other things. As I said if it does not work for others then that is on them, works for me.

I have said it over and over and some people are actually following it and seeing results. Participate in the communities, do not just plop your link and move on.

James

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I will keep my social media and my sales and keep on improving upon it also.. I spend a great deal of time testing and figuring out things, thus why I work 16 - 18 hours a day 7 days a week...

James

Yeah....about that....

If your doing it right and it takes you 16-18 hours - I'LL KEEP DOING IT WRONG...SERIOUSLY...

I guess the question is, how much do you get for working 16-18 hours a day? lol

Take this however you want, but the more you "share" the less I'm believing you these days...This has very little to do with this thread and more to do with your overall attitude and the information you give.

[Allen Graves]

I was wrong to have disagreed and provided my viewpoint gathered from hundreds of article marketers every day. What was I thinking?!

I retract everything I have stated in this thread, because James said I was wrong.

My apologies.

Everyone listen closely to James and do exactly what he says.

Allen

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Yeah....about that....

If your doing it right and it takes you 16-18 hours - I'LL KEEP DOING IT WRONG...SERIOUSLY...

I guess the question is, how much do you get for working 16-18 hours a day? lol

Take this however you want, but the more you "share" the less I'm believing you these days...This has very little to do with this thread and more to do with your overall attitude and the information you give.

LOL .. I work on many websites Jeremy and I supply support for more websites than you know. I work because I love what I do. Does not take me 16 - 18 hours a day, I work those hours because I choose to do so not because I have to.

Upto you dude, I realize many do not like the fact that I do not defend eza and I am not one of the group but that is perfectly ok with me because I rather not be one of the group.

James

[Allen Graves]

Originally Posted by NathanFalkner

Yes, this is 100% accurate. Any article that is
less than 400 words in length will result in an
article being rejected automatically. If you attempt
to re-submit an article that is less than 400 words
in length a second time, ones account is now being
suspended. If you're a premium member, you are
given one final warning regarding word count before
your account is suspended. Anyone try to submit
an article that was less than 400 words today? You
can't -- right? Steven hit the nail on the head. No
more sub-400 word articles. You heard it here first!

And that is an awesome thing. God, I hope what they are doing will at least make a dent in the quality of the overall content creation (and syndication) on the Internet.

Allen

[Slin]

Who cares? If he is advertising a product that solve people's needs, does it matter that he boosts his stats?

Oh and interesting stuff about ezine..huh..

[edmltw]

Does this apply only to platinum members?

I just created a new account for one of my clients and all my articles were below 400 words. All were accepted with my 10th article approved and made live today. here's the link to the latest article approved:
Click Here

So that mean I will have to start churning out articles above 400 words if I gotten to the platinum level?

Ed

Originally Posted by NathanFalkner

Yes, this is 100% accurate. Any article that is
less than 400 words in length will result in an
article being rejected automatically. If you attempt
to re-submit an article that is less than 400 words
in length a second time, ones account is now being
suspended. If you're a premium member, you are
given one final warning regarding word count before
your account is suspended. Anyone try to submit
an article that was less than 400 words today? You
can't -- right? Steven hit the nail on the head. No
more sub-400 word articles. You heard it here first!

[redrossero]

I don't think how EZA bans for this type of traffic because I see articles in most vieed with ridiculous amount of views all the time. It is so obvious! Some are so stupid that they buy the traffic for some long tail keywords that in n way they can get naturally 20000 views in 7 days. Actually, this is one of the reason why I have stopped long time to submit my articles to EZA.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by redrossero

I don't think how EZA bans for this type of traffic because I see articles in most vieed with ridiculous amount of views all the time. It is so obvious! Some are so stupid that they buy the traffic for some long tail keywords that in n way they can get naturally 20000 views in 7 days. Actually, this is one of the reason why I have stopped long time to submit my articles to EZA.

They are not banning the "practice" well - because they can't...

How the hell do they know who is doing what to get views?

They are banning patterns....So, if your a moron and you are running traffic to 20 articles a day, chances are good you will feel the hammer.

If you are a moron and you spin 50 articles out of one and submit them all the same day, chances are good you will feel the hammer.

There are no less than 5 articles on the front page of EZA right now with less than 300 words lol - Its about people and patterns...THAT'S IT.

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

They are not banning the "practice" well - because they can't...

How the hell do they know who is doing what to get views?

Simple, it's called server logs and yes 90% of it can be tracked and banned. Nothing is 100% for sure but Chris sure could put a stop to a great deal of it "if" people are doing it ...

James

[Morgan Richman]

It has been a great pleasure to talk to you all I am going to bed. Good night.

MorganRichman

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Simple, it's called server logs and yes 90% of it can be tracked and banned. Nothing is 100% for sure but Chris sure could put a stop to a great deal of it "if" people are doing it ...

James

lol...

Then why isn't he stopping it?

If a hit comes from a website who is to say if it is fake or real?

Is he just going to guess - pick and choose, like they seem to be doing now?

Because I'm almost certain that the "popping your pimples" article posted yesterday with 45billion views was manipulated, yet it is still there

Just like I'm almost certain that some of the "top authors" publish recycled rubbish day in and day out that looks like it was written by a 2nd grader who has never been introduced to hooked on phonics - Yet the articles are still published.

I can send visitors to your site and blank a referrer so you have no idea where they came from.

I can send 200 visitors to your site in the next 24 hours from a blogger blog clicking on a link for the "hottest trend"

I can pligg the crap out of an article I put on YOUR directory and get hundreds or thousands of views in the next 24 hours.

I can syndicate article links through auto-blogs and get hundreds or thousands of "views" in the next 24 hours...

Are they real or fake?

Are they any different than me paying someone $5 for every 1000 subscribers to blast my articles to their list?

Bottom line is....who cares?

[GrantFreeman]

Morgan,

I like your tenacity of wanting to help others with article marketing. But before you do that, do yourself a huge favor and understand EZA's terms of service. Right now, I don't think you do.

Neglecting this means you'll lose all the work you've done. It's just a matter of time.

Grant

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

lol...

Then why isn't he stopping it?

If a hit comes from a website who is to say if it is fake or real?

Is he just going to guess - pick and choose, like they seem to be doing now?

Because I'm almost certain that the "popping your pimples" article posted yesterday with 45billion views was manipulated, yet it is still there

Just like I'm almost certain that some of the "top authors" publish recycled rubbish day in and day out that looks like it was written by a 2nd grader who has never been introduced to hooked on phonics - Yet the articles are still published.

I can send visitors to your site and blank a referrer so you have no idea where they came from.

I can send 200 visitors to your site in the next 24 hours from a blogger blog clicking on a link for the "hottest trend"

I can pligg the crap out of an article I put on YOUR directory and get hundreds or thousands of views in the next 24 hours.

I can syndicate article links through auto-blogs and get hundreds or thousands of "views" in the next 24 hours...

Are they real or fake?

Are they any different than me paying someone $5 for every 1000 subscribers to blast my articles to their list?

Bottom line is....who cares?

Has nothing to do with pick and choose... It has to do with tracking. Sure you could "pligg" or whatever that on mine but I also could block it too .. Would not be the first time I started blocking stuff my my server.

I have one website that blocks 90% of the internet just about it.. Because it is built only for a specific reason.

It would not be hard at all for Chris to start blocking, he has the money and he has the staff.. For that matter he could hire a coder to build a script to auto translate the server logs ... Even on trying to blank the referral it can still be tracked.

Patterns are a great deal easier to notice then what you think if you are paying attention to the actual server logs.

James

[GuerrillaIM]

If they block one method people will just use another. There will always be a way to game the results.

[JesseT]

I'd have to say. I understand where the OP is coming from. Simply put, he's paying for trash visitors to get more legit visitors. As many people have said before, paying for that traffic to go to his site won't do him any good. Having said that, I'm pretty sure it constitutes paying for traffic to your article and therefore violating TOS. What you are actually doing is turning a blind eye to how the traffic is coming. I can't help but to picture you being a mob boss saying, "I don't cares hows you get the traffic, just get the traffic and make sure it's "legit."' finger quotations and all! Building a twitter base and marketing to them definitely sounds like the winner though. They want to read what you have to say, will go the site and might actually opt-in/buy from you. It benefits you by them being potential buys WHILE making your article popular on EZA bringing you even more traffic. How can you beat that?

Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM

If they block one method people will just use another. There will always be a way to game the results.

You are right ... As I said 90% can be blocked though. Not like EZA does not have the money to create a complex system to handle it.

James