Let Others Complain. Here's How I got 41,000 Views On Just One Article At EZA. Video Inside.

[GuerrillaIM]

In the old days people used to generate spam traffic by downloading a few girly videos and making them into a page, then submitting that page to a free girly site network.

Of course, on the page at the bottom are lots of small 1x1 pixel iframes containing the sites you want to build traffic to.

Do it right and it gets thousands of views within a few hours and it doesn't cost anything. I suppose you could do it on a domain name that is ontopic and after a day change it to an optopic page so it all looks legit.

Maybe I will do that for my next video LOL. I think EZA has javascript to detect if it is loaded in frame, but you could most likely block this with javascript on parent page.

[SeanIM]

There's a lot of discussions to be had in-between-the-lines here.

I'm sure this was helpful to quite a few people, although it ruffles the feathers of some...

Interesting post nonetheless.

[Allen Graves]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Yeah....about that....

If your doing it right and it takes you 16-18 hours - I'LL KEEP DOING IT WRONG...SERIOUSLY...

I guess the question is, how much do you get for working 16-18 hours a day? lol

Take this however you want, but the more you "share" the less I'm believing you these days...This has very little to do with this thread and more to do with your overall attitude and the information you give.

Yeah, about that...

And this is not directed at any one person, but to everyone.

When you make a bunch of claims, but fail to show the proof, then your credibility begins to decline at an ever increasing rate. I've been seeing that a lot lately from a lot of different people here. And credibility is like trust - it takes a lot longer to get it back than it does to lose it.

"I can do this, I can do that. I've been there and done that. I can rule the Internet! Listen to me and buy my stuff."

Where's the beef? All I see is two buns.

The OP of this thread showed his proof. I commend him for that, although in this case he probably shouldn't have. LOL

Mini rant complete. Sorry.

Allen

[Holland]

Hi All

Wouw, talking about a hot debate here. My take on all this is you live and you learn. We all have our methods, good or bad, but trying them is the way to find out.

Yours sincerely
Angelina

[Steven Wagenheim]

You know, I can't believe this is still going on.

For what it's worth, if I'm going to pay for traffic, it's not going to be to get
my article to the top of the most viewed list.

It's going to be for targeted PPC traffic using keywords where people are
looking to buy sending them to a page that converts at 3 or 4%.

This whole thing is just nuts.

Oh well, it's good entertainment for a Friday morning.

Anybody got any popcorn?

[David McAnulty]

I am taking bets if you want to PM me. There are 100 to 1 odds that EZA is going to take action against this account. So if you even shell out a dollar there "might" be a chance to win big here.

PM me if you want to jump in on the action. LOL

[Morgan Richman]

Your popcorn comment cracked me up! Thanks Steven.

Again... it all depends on the ROI.

It you get what you want to get and it's profitable to you, then go do it. That's my take on this.

I mean, let's say I spend 50 bucks on a person that will make sure they get legit traffic to my article and then because of that I get 200 new subscribers or whatever, then for me it's worth it.

After all, it's the same with ppc.

if you're paying 50 bucks for a ppc campaign and it gets you 200 subs and you're happy with that result, there is NOTHING wrong with any of it.

Right?

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

You know, I can't believe this is still going on.

For what it's worth, if I'm going to pay for traffic, it's not going to be to get
my article to the top of the most viewed list.

It's going to be for targeted PPC traffic using keywords where people are
looking to buy sending them to a page that converts at 3 or 4%.

This whole thing is just nuts.

Oh well, it's good entertainment for a Friday morning.

Anybody got any popcorn?

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by David McAnulty

I am taking bets if you want to PM me. There are 100 to 1 odds that EZA is going to take action against this account. So if you even shell out a dollar there "might" be a chance to win big here.

PM me if you want to jump in on the action. LOL

I only gamble on sure things....Here's my buck. ($)

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Has nothing to do with pick and choose... It has to do with tracking. Sure you could "pligg" or whatever that on mine but I also could block it too .. Would not be the first time I started blocking stuff my my server.

Did you read anything I wrote?

Visitors CAN and DO come from all over the web, email links, free traffic, as well as paid traffic.

Would you block all bookmarking sites? Social media sites? email traffic? Random websites?

That would be a hell of a way to run a directory. NOBODY ALLOWED IN.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I have one website that blocks 90% of the internet just about it.. Because it is built only for a specific reason.

It doesn't surprise me at all that you would say that because - well, you always have an answer. Congrats on your site that 90% of internet users can't see What is it's purpose...to sell an ebook on how not to market?

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

It would not be hard at all for Chris to start blocking, he has the money and he has the staff.. For that matter he could hire a coder to build a script to auto translate the server logs ... Even on trying to blank the referral it can still be tracked.

Again, is he supposed to block 90% of the internet like you have done?

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Patterns are a great deal easier to notice then what you think if you are paying attention to the actual server logs.

James

That is what I've been saying

Patterns is all they have to go by. I'm not saying I advocate anything that has been written in this thread, but what I will say is - I'm pretty good at not leaving patterns

The other thing I will say is that EZA is making themselves look like clown shoes right now.

If your name is one thing you can still submit 250 word articles.

If your name is one thing you can still feasibly get 10,000 views a day

If your name is one thing your content can be garbage

Good thing I have people working for me whose name is "one thing" I guess

EZA is doing nothing but reacting to the "cry babies" of the world.

So and so submits too many articles

There is no way so and so had that many views

So and so didn't use the proper punctuation

blah
blah
blah

EZA should have a standard email that they can send..

SHUT UP CRY BABY AND WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

Your popcorn comment cracked me up! Thanks Steven.

Again... it all depends on the ROI.

It you get what you want to get and it's profitable to you, then go do it. That's my take on this.

I mean, let's say I spend 50 bucks on a person that will make sure they get legit traffic to my article and then because of that I get 200 new subscribers or whatever, then for me it's worth it.

After all, it's the same with ppc.

if you're paying 50 bucks for a ppc campaign and it gets you 200 subs and you're happy with that result, there is NOTHING wrong with any of it.

Right?

MorganRichman

Well, here's the difference the way I see it.

You're right, as far as ROI, no difference. If both serve the same function
and get the same results at the same price, toss up.

But...

1. Testing would need to be done to see if one performs better than the
other. So the jury is out on that as of now since nobody, neither you or
I know. Agreed?

2. Given both tactics, let's examine chance of shutdown.

With PPC, I can be shut down if I am sending people to a landing page
that, in the eyes of Google, is not good. Well, not shut down, but my
QS goes in the toilet and my CPC goes through the roof and essentially
my PPC campaign is toast. Agreed? But, I still keep my account and can
try another campaign. Plus, if I have any smarts at all, I know what kind
of a landing page to send people to so the chances of this happening are
very slim.

With your tactic, given that "technically" it is against EZA's TOS (even
though you're doing an end run around it) what can happen is far more
devastating. You lose your EZA account and with it, every article you
have up there (not just the one campaign) gets yanked.

Somebody like me who has thousands of articles posted through EZA, that
is just too much of a risk.

Sure, somebody who just has 1 article has almost nothing to lose. You
toss it up there, do your thing, get your 40,000 views, get a couple
hundred subscribers and then, if you get yanked, so what? What have
you really lost. Hell, you can just open up a new account with a new
name and email and do it again.

IMO, it's a lousy way to live and run a business. It's kind of like the
black hatters always having to find the new thing because the old thing
got shut down by a new Google slap.

Ultimately, it comes down to how you want to run your business. And I'm
not even going to get into ethics because this really isn't about ethics.
Just because EZA says they don't accept traffic that is paid for doesn't
mean paying for traffic is unethical because lots of other sites DO allow
you to pay for traffic. EZA just isn't one of them.

No, I'm not talking about ethics. I'm talking about how sound the structure
of your business is. If you're doing things that constantly get shot down
then you are not running an efficient business.

I have thousands of articles out there today getting me traffic each and
every day on autopilot. I have almost no fear that those articles will
ever disappear from the Internet.

With YOUR system, can you honestly say the same thing?

And if not, and you don't care, that's fine.

But there may be people here who will look at what you do, think to
themselves, "Wow, that's really cool. I'm gonna try that" in the hopes that
they'll hit it big, put all their heart and soul into it and end up waking up
one morning to a non existent EZA account.

For those people, this kind of advice is just bad. There is no other way to
put it, which is why I strongly wish that this thread would be killed and
all traces of it tossed into the deepest darkest vaults of all of England.

This is just flat out dangerous advice.

Anybody who can't see that is seriously kidding themselves.

[Morgan Richman]

Steven,

You're absolutely right.

This advice is dangerous, because even though I personally don't think it's against any TOS right now (the way I put it with a traffic manager and not just with paying for clicks), by the time someone reads this thread and decides to take action on this, it CAN be against the TOS.

That's why you have to be careful.

Now, just to make everything clear I do NOT recommend any newbies going crazy with this technique. They will slip, get burnt and discouraged if they are not careful (especially because as you said, they can put their whole heart and soul into this and lose everything when their EZA gets banned) but that's why you do other stuff. Other than article marketing.

I am not a noob and I am willing to take the risk of doing what I showed in the video just for the fun of it because I do NOT put my entire business on this.

I mean, again, I don't think I am breaking the EZA TOS, but it's not my site after all and I understand that Chris can wake up one morning and kick me out. I understand that can happen because he might decide that even though it's not against their TOS, he might just decide that he simply doesn't like what I do.

Frankly...

I don't care very much. I am willing to take that risk just for the fun of it.

You don't even know how fun this thread has been to me. It's worth it for that reason.

Now, I understand that you like to play it safe and I respect that.

I like to have the more risky type of fun.

Again, for a noob, doing something like this might ruin their entire business, for me... does not really matter.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Well, here's the difference the way I see it.

You're right, as far as ROI, no difference. If both serve the same function
and get the same results at the same price, toss up.

But...

1. Testing would need to be done to see if one performs better than the
other. So the jury is out on that as of now since nobody, neither you or
I know. Agreed?

2. Given both tactics, let's examine chance of shutdown.

With PPC, I can be shut down if I am sending people to a landing page
that, in the eyes of Google, is not good. Well, not shut down, but my
QS goes in the toilet and my CPC goes through the roof and essentially
my PPC campaign is toast. Agreed? But, I still keep my account and can
try another campaign. Plus, if I have any smarts at all, I know what kind
of a landing page to send people to so the chances of this happening are
very slim.

With your tactic, given that "technically" it is against EZA's TOS (even
though you're doing an end run around it) what can happen is far more
devastating. You lose your EZA account and with it, every article you
have up there (not just the one campaign) gets yanked.

Somebody like me who has thousands of articles posted through EZA, that
is just too much of a risk.

Sure, somebody who just has 1 article has almost nothing to lose. You
toss it up there, do your thing, get your 40,000 views, get a couple
hundred subscribers and then, if you get yanked, so what? What have
you really lost. Hell, you can just open up a new account with a new
name and email and do it again.

IMO, it's a lousy way to live and run a business. It's kind of like the
black hatters always having to find the new thing because the old thing
got shut down by a new Google slap.

Ultimately, it comes down to how you want to run your business. And I'm
not even going to get into ethics because this really isn't about ethics.
Just because EZA says they don't accept traffic that is paid for doesn't
mean paying for traffic is unethical because lots of other sites DO allow
you to pay for traffic. EZA just isn't one of them.

No, I'm not talking about ethics. I'm talking about how sound the structure
of your business is. If you're doing things that constantly get shot down
then you are not running an efficient business.

I have thousands of articles out there today getting me traffic each and
every day on autopilot. I have almost no fear that those articles will
ever disappear from the Internet.

With YOUR system, can you honestly say the same thing?

And if not, and you don't care, that's fine.

But there may be people here who will look at what you do, think to
themselves, "Wow, that's really cool. I'm gonna try that" in the hopes that
they'll hit it big, put all their heart and soul into it and end up waking up
one morning to a non existent EZA account.

For those people, this kind of advice is just bad. There is no other way to
put it, which is why I strongly wish that this thread would be killed and
all traces of it tossed into the deepest darkest vaults of all of England.

This is just flat out dangerous advice.

Anybody who can't see that is seriously kidding themselves.

[Tristan Lee]

This this has been an such an awesome thread guys! Thanks for this!

I took me about an hour reading from the OP to now and finally I can add my input!

To RichJerksNet, I've never had really read anything from you and at first glance from your name, I might have had assumed you were a rich, snobby, jerk who does black hat and tries to game the internet marketing system. I am sorry for that.

I admire your ability to voice your opinion in supporting more ethical ways of getting traffic to a website, despite people who are advocates of this video and people who are trying to pull you down.

At first I thought this video was wrong. I've been an Ezine Article member for a long time, and I've always admired the people who got there articles on the most viewed section because I thought that they had written something worth reading.

I've actually had one of my articles get to the number one spot of the most view articles listing a while back. It felt good getting there, but more important, I hope the article message that I sent out actually helped the people who clicked on it.

How to Get Rid of Negative Feelings

It was until reading this, I had never knew that it was this easy to get to the top most viewed article list of perhaps maybe any niche you want if you have something as simple as as 50 dollar bill.

Imagine if everyone started to do what Morgan showed us in the video. The most viewed section would be filled with articles not because most people actually wanted to read them, but because they were all filled with artificial clicks.

Yes, what Morgan had done was 100% legal. He paid for thousands of views to get legit traffic. Did he ever come across a point in his mind that perhaps one of the people from the service he paid might do something not legit? Maybe he did, but it would be unfair to accuse him of this as he is the only one that knows the answer.

But, for him, that's probably not the first idea that comes across his mind as his intentions are aimed more at getting the best return for his paid investments.

To get to the point, I think this is what happens when we become totally obsessed with money. We do everything we can to try the game the system legally, and by legally, every word counts. If you notice the Ezine Articles TOS provided in this thread, the absolute clear message its trying to tell the world is do not pay for traffic for the sole purpose of bumping up an article.

"You agree to not purchase or utilize PPC (PayPerClick), PPV (PayPerView) traffic, safelists, or traffic exchanges to artificially inflate your EzineArticles traffic stats."

However, what Morgan is doing is okay because he's paying for legit traffic and it slides through the words of the TOS.

For me, I'm just kind of sick of these games. It gives a bad name to internet marketers and it's a wonder why many people don't trust internet marketers. Because, from this example, what they're most concerned about, rather than spending time and effort (I know this is painful to hear) in providing genuine value to other people, is what can I do today to game the system legally without getting caught while making as much money as I can doing so.

How does artificial and inflated stats affect the future of the EzineArticle directory?

You tell me, or nevermind... maybe that doesn't matter to you.

[JohnMcCabe]

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

Yes I do. I pay for legit and I expect to get legit. If the provider wants to rip me off and give me fake traffic, that's his problem not mine.

Although they do mostly rip off. Unfortunately.

MorganRichman

Morgan, you can protest all you want that you are only paying for legitimate traffic. This statement shows you know exactly what is going on.

You know that, mostly, your "traffic managers" are sending bogus traffic, which, by association, makes you guilty of violating the TOS. Yet you continue to do it.

You know that, in most cases, you are doing by proxy exactly what the TOS disallows.

[adamv]

Originally Posted by Tristan Lee

To get to the point, I think this is what happens when we become totally obsessed with money. We do everything we can to try the game the system legally, and by legally, every word counts. If you notice the Ezine Articles TOS provided in this thread, the absolute clear message its trying to tell the world is do not pay for traffic for the sole purpose of bumping up an article.

"You agree to not purchase or utilize PPC (PayPerClick), PPV (PayPerView) traffic, safelists, or traffic exchanges to artificially inflate your EzineArticles traffic stats."

However, what Morgan is doing is okay because he's paying for legit traffic and it slides through the words of the TOS.

For me, I'm just kind of sick of these games. It gives a bad name to internet marketers and it's a wonder why many people don't trust internet marketers. Because, from this example, what they're most concerned about, rather than spending time and effort (I know this is painful to hear) in providing genuine value to other people, is what can I do today to game the system legally without getting caught while making as much money as I can doing so.

How does artificial and inflated stats affect the future of the EzineArticle directory?

You tell me, or nevermind... maybe that doesn't matter to you.

I'm not hear to tell anyone what to do or to get into a pissing match about what's right and wrong but be careful. Although what the OP is doing appears to slip through on a technicality, it's clear that EZA wouldn't approve, even if they failed to name any particular traffic method specifically.

They can change the TOS whenever they feel like it and older articles will not be grandfathered in. They can go through their directory and delete whatever they want.

I'm not sure I would've posted a video about this technique, drawing extra attention to something that is borderline within the TOS at best.

[Morgan Richman]

Of course I do. I am not an idiot, but if I ask for legit traffic and I want legit traffic, then if the provider of the traffic sends bogus traffic, it's not my fault.

I am just utilizing people's dishonesty (if such dishonesty occurs)

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Morgan, you can protest all you want that you are only paying for legitimate traffic. This statement shows you know exactly what is going on.

You know that, mostly, your "traffic managers" are sending bogus traffic, which, by association, makes you guilty of violating the TOS. Yet you continue to do it.

You know that, in most cases, you are doing by proxy exactly what the TOS disallows.

[Morgan Richman]

Originally Posted by adamv

I'm not sure I would've posted a video about this technique, drawing extra attention to something that is borderline within the TOS at best.

That's the fun part

MorganRichman

[JohnMcCabe]

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

Of course I do. I am not an idiot, but if I ask for legit traffic and I want legit traffic, then if the provider of the traffic sends bogus traffic, it's not my fault.

I am just utilizing people's dishonesty (if such dishonesty occurs)

MorganRichman

Morgan, you are wasting your talents on this marketing thing. With your ability to rationalize and your embrace of 'plausible deniability' you really should be in politics...

[Morgan Richman]

I once ran for the head of my high school student board, but I lost...

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Morgan, you are wasting your talents on this marketing thing. With your ability to rationalize and your embrace of 'plausible deniability' you really should be in politics...

Originally Posted by Tristan Lee

This this has been an such an awesome thread guys! Thanks for this!

I took me about an hour reading from the OP to now and finally I can add my input!

To RichJerksNet, I've never had really read anything from you and at first glance from your name, I might have had assumed you were a rich, snobby, jerk who does black hat and tries to game the internet marketing system. I am sorry for that.

I admire your ability to voice your opinion in supporting more ethical ways of getting traffic to a website, despite people who are advocates of this video and people who are trying to pull you down.

At first I thought this video was wrong. I've been an Ezine Article member for a long time, and I've always admired the people who got there articles on the most viewed section because I thought that they had written something worth reading.

I've actually had one of my articles get to the number one spot of the most view articles listing a while back. It felt good getting there, but more important, I hope the article message that I sent out actually helped the people who clicked on it.

How to Get Rid of Negative Feelings

It was until reading this, I had never knew that it was this easy to get to the top most viewed article list of perhaps maybe any niche you want if you have something as simple as as 50 dollar bill.

Imagine if everyone started to do what Morgan showed us in the video. The most viewed section would be filled with articles not because most people actually wanted to read them, but because they were all filled with artificial clicks.

Yes, what Morgan had done was 100% legal. He paid for thousands of views to get legit traffic. Did he ever come across a point in his mind that perhaps one of the people from the service he paid might do something not legit? Maybe he did, but it would be unfair to accuse him of this as he is the only one that knows the answer.

But, for him, that's probably not the first idea that comes across his mind as his intentions are aimed more at getting the best return for his paid investments.

To get to the point, I think this is what happens when we become totally obsessed with money. We do everything we can to try the game the system legally, and by legally, every word counts. If you notice the Ezine Articles TOS provided in this thread, the absolute clear message its trying to tell the world is do not pay for traffic for the sole purpose of bumping up an article.

"You agree to not purchase or utilize PPC (PayPerClick), PPV (PayPerView) traffic, safelists, or traffic exchanges to artificially inflate your EzineArticles traffic stats."

However, what Morgan is doing is okay because he's paying for legit traffic and it slides through the words of the TOS.

For me, I'm just kind of sick of these games. It gives a bad name to internet marketers and it's a wonder why many people don't trust internet marketers. Because, from this example, what they're most concerned about, rather than spending time and effort (I know this is painful to hear) in providing genuine value to other people, is what can I do today to game the system legally without getting caught while making as much money as I can doing so.

How does artificial and inflated stats affect the future of the EzineArticle directory?

You tell me, or nevermind... maybe that doesn't matter to you.

Really it does not matter to me ... But I tell you this...

If I was Chris I would block it 100% and this is how I would do it.

1. I would remove the most viewed section 100% and leave it as such for 60 days and see what difference it really makes.

2. I would change how the most viewed section functions, maybe only count 1 unique ip per 24 hours.

This is what testing is all about.. If it is a problem and by this thread alone you can see that it is, then it is time to change how it works. For me I would test both the above and see what happens.

Imagine how many marketers would create a thread here complaining that EZA got rid of the most viewed section... LOL

James

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

Of course I do. I am not an idiot, but if I ask for legit traffic and I want legit traffic, then if the provider of the traffic sends bogus traffic, it's not my fault.

It all comes back to you. It is your fault, your problem, your responsibility. If you don't see that, then there's really not much more to say.

[Morgan Richman]

I respect what you said but I don't agree with this.

I pay for good traffic and hope to get good traffic. If I get good traffic, I get even more optins/sales, but I am not letting people screw me over by telling me they'll send real traffic and really sending crap.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

It all comes back to you. It is your fault, your problem, your responsibility. If you don't see that, then there's really not much more to say.

[adamv]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Really it does not matter to me ... But I tell you this...

If I was Chris I would block it 100% and this is how I would do it.

1. I would remove the most viewed section 100% and leave it as such for 60 days and see what difference it really makes.

2. I would change how the most viewed section functions, maybe only count 1 unique ip per 24 hours.


James

They already do that but there are some obvious ways around it.

Originally Posted by adamv

They already do that but there are some obvious ways around it.

Of course there is .. That could be a simple ip changer script...

Personally I would choose option #1 and see how things went. I must admit it would be interesting to see that.

James

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

I pay for good traffic and hope to get good traffic. If I get good traffic, I get even more optins/sales, but I am not letting people screw me over by telling me they'll send real traffic and really sending crap.

If you contract with someone to do a service for you, the results of their actions and how those actions reflect on you are your responsibility.

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

I respect what you said but I don't agree with this.

I pay for good traffic and hope to get good traffic. If I get good traffic, I get even more optins/sales, but I am not letting people screw me over by telling me they'll send real traffic and really sending crap.

MorganRichman

You also said ....

What I was trying to say is that you can't really verify if it's legit or not, just because it's impossible (or at least I don't know how to do it), but even if it's not legit, it does not really matter to me as the article author.

So which is it ??? You really do not care or you are not going to let someone screw you over ???

Just a little confused by your contradicting yourself...

James

[Morgan Richman]

The reason I said it does not matter is that I DO HAVE BACKUP. I don't want to get screwed in a sense that I pay for traffic and get nothing because some freelancer decides to lie to me. Granted, it would be much better if I could be 100% sure that the traffic is real, but that's impossible, so even if the provider lies, I at least know that it will help my stats.

Hope this clarifies it a bit

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

You also said ....



So which is it ??? You really do not care or you are not going to let someone screw you over ???

Just a little confused by your contradicting yourself...

James

[Morgan Richman]

Right. In a way.

If I have a site and pay someone to send traffic to it and someone uses spam to do it, then my site will be shut down. The provider will bear no consequences other than I can sue him or something but it is not my fault that someone lied to me and used unethical methods to generate traffic.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

If you contract with someone to do a service for you, the results of their actions and how those actions reflect on you are your responsibility.

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

The reason I said it does not matter is that I DO HAVE BACKUP. I don't want to get screwed in a sense that I pay for traffic and get nothing because some freelancer decides to lie to me. Granted, it would be much better if I could be 100% sure that the traffic is real, but that's impossible, so even if the provider lies, I at least know that it will help my stats.

Hope this clarifies it a bit

MorganRichman

Sure it reinforces what Tristan said ....

For me, I'm just kind of sick of these games. It gives a bad name to internet marketers and it's a wonder why many people don't trust internet marketers. Because, from this example, what they're most concerned about, rather than spending time and effort (I know this is painful to hear) in providing genuine value to other people, is what can I do today to game the system legally without getting caught while making as much money as I can doing so.

Another reason I do not want my name associated with the title "Internet Marketer" ..

James

[InternetMarketingIQ]

Why turn off comments?

[Francois du_Toit]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

lol...ever hear of autopligg?

Yeah, the word "spam" as in spamming other sites for backlinks comes to mind...

Are you using autopligg Jeremy?

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by Francois du_Toit

Yeah, the word "spam" as in spamming other sites for backlinks comes to mind...

Are you using autopligg Jeremy?

Francois, Pretty much every backlink strategy talked about is "spamming" when it comes down to it.

Autopligg is really no different than any other automated bookmarking tool.

As for autopligg - I stopped using it when the rest of the masses started to use it...on to bigger and better things.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

You also said ....



So which is it ??? You really do not care or you are not going to let someone screw you over ???

Just a little confused by your contradicting yourself...

James

I don't know this Morgan guy, but your just playing semantics now.

It's obvious that you have strong opinions about many things James and of course you ALWAYS have to be right to the point that you run around the forum in various thread raising the issues.

I have news for you though dude - Your way isn't always the right way or the BEST way - Your not always right and from my experience you aren't always even in the ball park.

Drop the know-it-all routine and get real.

BTW - How many accounts do you have with the various social bookmarking networks? Isn't having more than 1 against their TOS? Or are you doing hundreds of bookmarks a day from the same accounts? I'm sure some people would consider that spamming...

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

I don't know this Morgan guy, but your just playing semantics now.

It's obvious that you have strong opinions about many things James and of course you ALWAYS have to be right to the point that you run around the forum in various thread raising the issues.

I have news for you though dude - Your way isn't always the right way or the BEST way - Your not always right and from my experience you aren't always even in the ball park.

Drop the know-it-all routine and get real.

BTW - How many accounts do you have with the various social bookmarking networks? Isn't having more than 1 against their TOS? Or are you doing hundreds of bookmarks a day from the same accounts? I'm sure some people would consider that spamming...

Your funny!! and totally wrong ... Hey Morgan can do as he wishes but sure should not try to mislead newbies into doing unethical things and then contradicting himself while he is doing it.

The only reason why you attack me seems because you must agree with much of the blackhat stuff but then again we could pull up a thread where you endoresed the methods also..

Time to make my ignore list bigger...

James

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Your funny!! and totally wrong ... Hey Morgan can do as he wishes but sure should not try to mislead newbies into doing unethical things and then contradicting himself while he is doing it.

The only reason why you attack me seems because you must agree with much of the BlueFart stuff but then again we could pull up a thread where you endoresed the methods also..

Time to make my ignore list bigger...

James

I'm not attacking you...

I'm calling you out because I don't think you know what your talking about and I believe a good percentage of the time you are a hypocrite.

In my opinion, manipulating the numbers is no different than you rolling around with multiple accounts on Social Bookmarking sites when it violates their TOS.

OR

What about the numerous times you have violated the TOS of this site and been banned for a couple of days or weeks at a clip - Does that all the sudden make you some type of criminal?

Take a step back and look at the bigger picture every once in a while before you try to take someone to task.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

I'm not attacking you...

I'm calling you out because I don't think you know what your talking about and I believe a good percentage of the time you are a hypocrite.

In my opinion, manipulating the numbers is no different than you rolling around with multiple accounts on Social Bookmarking sites when it violates their TOS.

OR

What about the numerous times you have violated the TOS of this site and been banned for a couple of days or weeks at a clip - Does that all the sudden make you some type of criminal?

Take a step back and look at the bigger picture every once in a while before you try to take someone to task.

Jeremy, first off, I really enjoyed our chat today. You really crack me up
with your philosophy on marketing. I don't agree with everything you do
and mostly because as I said, I'm concerned that some of it might come
back to bite you, but you seem to know what you're doing and so far
it's worked out.

As far as the social bookmarking stuff you're talking about, and for that
matter, a lot of things when it comes to what we as marketers do, there
is a very fine line, as far as how the sites we use see things, between
what's ethical in their eyes and our eyes.

One thing I have learned from my years online is that it is almost
impossible to look at what we do objectively because our livelihoods are
at stake. While I like to consider myself "ethical" JayXtreme has pointed
out things that I, and many other article marketers, do that Google would
consider unethical.

But then as another very smart marketer, Kurt, pointed out, and I'll never
forget this, Google is not the law. They are just a site and have things
that they prefer us to do and not do. That doesn't mean if we do them
we are suddenly unethical. Google has a right to do whatever they want
as far as the rankings of our sites, and we have the right to do whatever
we want to do in order to get those sites further up the ranks. And as Kurt
pointed out, if that means we want to spam link farm sites if we can get
away with it, then there is nothing wrong with it.

Again, Google is not a law agency. They are just a site like any other site.

For example, on my blog, I can block any comments I see as spam. That
doesn't make the person posting the spam unethical. They have the right
to do whatever they want to try to get their links out there just as I have
the right not to allow them on my site.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the Internet is self policing. We
don't need people to tell other people that this is right or wrong. We are
not judge and jury. My only concern in making the comments that I made
in this thread was for Morgan's safety as a marketer in protecting his
business. I don't want to see it go down because he did something that
would make another site take action against him. And while it's not legal
action, deleting his account (within the rights of EZA) would certainly
hurt him.

Ultimately, we are all adults. We are responsible for our own actions. The
only activities I will absolutely speak out against are those that rip people
off from their money, such as fraudulent transactions, continuity that
is in no way disclosed and things of that nature. These things are all illegal
and taken care of (hopefully) by a higher authority. The ethical stuff?

That's between each person and his conscience.

And I'm no Jiminy Cricket.

Last word of advice to anyone reading this.

Whatever you do...be careful.

All our actions do have consequences.