Do this and you could be losing list members...

[John Cabral]

Hi,

I have noticed since I have been back that list builders are doing something that personally ticks me off and is making me unsubscribe to their lists.

I am finding that after joining a list that I keep getting emails saying here is your free gift bla blah blah only to find out its a sign up page for someone else's list.

Here I am expecting to just click on a link and get my free whatever it is and now I have to join some other list.

I don't have a problem with joining another list if the info is goo but please just let me know that I have to sign up for this free item and don't have me thinking its a direct download.

I am now unsubscribing to lists that are doing this in their emails and I am sure many others are too.

I have started building my list and if I send out an emailing stating get your free product its a direct link not some sign up page..

Any thoughts on this>

[Zeus66]

Let me add to the pet peeves instead of starting a new thread...

I really hate this obvious ploy of sending out an email with an "accidental" bad link, then sending a follow-up a few minutes later saying, "Oops - here's the correct link, my bad." How smarmy can you get?

Look, if your list is so pathetic and uninteresting that you have to transparently trick your members into opening your messages, get another gig. Stop clogging up my inbox with your nonsense. I unsubscribe from any and every list whose owner resorts to anything like this. Gurus be damned if they get in on it. Desperation has a bad smell.

John

[JohnMcCabe]

John, you must be really pissed off to start almost identical threads only two hours apart...

[DogScout]

I have pop-ups that knock $20 off the price. The 1st thing that comes to mind is: The guy took a shot across my bow! If I was going to buy, I don't after that and I made a policy to never buy on the 1st look at a sales page, so I always see the discount pop-up if it is being used.

If they used some other tactic like "I wasn't going to mention the unadvertised bonuses, but since you seem to be leaving..." or the like it would be different...i think

[DogScout]

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

Your comments give the impression you're just looking for freebies, and don't even like to give your eMail address to get your freebies. Based on that, those list owners may not miss you.

If i am already on someone's list and they send me blindly to another person's list, I would get the feeling I was not being treated with respect. In many cases, the person whose list I am on tells me it is a freebie that requires I sign up with the other person's list. And some of what that person is like, good & bad.

Frank Kern comes to mind. He has never sent me blindly to a sign-up page without both telling me it was a sign up page and something about the person I would be signing on with. Today he told me the person I'd be signing up with was a weirdo among other things. I signed up to the other person's list. If it isn't all about a succession of selling emails, I'll probably stay signed up for a while. I dropped most everyone else (so many are half sales emails, they must think I am made of money). If nothing really sticks out as being exceptional, I'll leave that list, but I didn't sign up for a freebie and I went in with both eyes open. Transparency with your list (in my opinion) it is important to maintain trust.

[John Cabral]

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

John, you must be really pissed off to start almost identical threads only two hours apart...

LOL a little pissed. I wanted one to be geared to list owners on here as this kind of tactic can hurt their list.

[mikeyman120]

Sounds like people doing adswaps to build their lists up! It happens here in the joint ventures section. It's just a list building strategy.

Mike

[Shawn Mason]

yeah don't hate on adswaps! JV list building ftw imo

[pbennett]

had one pretty well known IM'er send me an email that said that if I didn't do whatever that I had no business being in internet marketing....

that made me very unhappy and I unsubscribed.....sheesh!

[Black Hat Cat]

Originally Posted by Zeus66

Let me add to the pet peeves instead of starting a new thread...

I really hate this obvious ploy of sending out an email with an "accidental" bad link, then sending a follow-up a few minutes later saying, "Oops - here's the correct link, my bad." How smarmy can you get?

John

Maybe I'm missing something.....what's the point of wasting an email with a deliberate bad link? It forces you to send a second email just to do what you could have done in the first place with the original email. It makes no sense. In fact, it makes about as much sense as sending thousands of people to a dead website just so you can email them a second time asking them to do what they were already there to do after your first email.

In other words, no serious person is doing this.

[Black Hat Cat]

Originally Posted by John Cabral

Hi,

I don't have a problem with joining another list if the info is goo but please just let me know that I have to sign up for this free item and don't have me thinking its a direct download.

Did he ever tell you it would be a direct download? If not, I'd say you're the problem. You're the one who decided to make an assumption based on nothing. What's next, whining because he didn't tell you your free gift wouldn't arrive in the mail?

[seobro]

They love to fill my inbox with junk. I usually give them a trash email account.

OK my fave turn off is "It's free, but then - there is this fee"

You see an ad yelling "FREE DVD"
but there is a $5.95 shipping fee.

[mbacak]

But doesn't this line of thinking sort
of demand that we ask a question?

And isn't that question: "Well, how do you -- as a marketer
yourself -- expect to ever sell things to anyone else?"

I mean, if we're all here at this MARKETING FORUM and your
main contribution is to just bitch about every marketing method
known to humans... isn't there a disconnect there?

Heck, I hear this:

Originally Posted by seobro

OK my fave turn off is "It's free, but then - there is this fee"

You see an ad yelling "FREE DVD"
but there is a $5.95 shipping fee.

Then I see things like this:

Originally Posted by rockstarinlife

give them a free CD, DVD, or book etc and they just pay shipping $4.95-9.95 and enroll them in your membership site after the 14 day trial.

In other words: isn't that kind of crazy?

If you're a makerter, or want to become a successful marketer...
why on earth would you be offended by marketing?

I see tons of folks complaining about all these ways marketers market to them. It sort
of goes like this (and yes, I have included my "editorial responses" after each "gripe"):

"Don't upsell me!"(What was I thinking? Who am I to assume that you might
want to know about things that will complement what you just bought, and then
offer you those items at a discount off their regular price?)

"Don't use 'forced continuity' on me!"(One of the most ridiculous complaints of all... there is
NO SUCH THING as 'forced continuity' because you can always choose NOT TO BUY!)

"Don't try to downsell me!" (Of course, the people who don't have the
money to buy the MAIN offer but who are GRATEFUL for the lower-priced
offer don't get considered by these complainers)

"Don't give me anything for free where I have to pay shipping & handling!"
(Right, sorry. What was I thinking? Why would I send you something worth
a hundred dollars or more and ask you to just pay my freakin' shipping cost?)

"Don't send me stuff in the mail..." (Let's forget the fact that you gave
me your mailing address because you wanted me to send you stuff. And
let's forget that all you have to do to stop receiving stuff is ask.)

"Don't call me on the phone and pitch your crap." (Never mind that anyone we call
has specifically requested that call... and can easily ask that we not call anymore.)

"Don't pitch me from stage." (Sure. I mean, it's just criminal that I should
teach you my best ideas for 75-80 minutes, and then take 5 minutes to let
you know what further training I have available. Right? I guess I should do
it for FREE. Heck, maybe I should pay YOU to listen.)

"Don't email me your offers."(I'm sorry, I guess it's asking too much of anyone
to click that big obvious link that says UNSUBSCRIBE. And I suppose it would be
poor form of me to point out that you signed up for the list to start with. What
did you THINK I was going to email you? Brownie recipes?)

"Don't use 'scarcity tactics' on me." (What do you care? If you don't want it,
what difference does it make to you? "Scarcity" should only have any meaning
if you think something is valuable and don't want to miss the opportunity to
get it. In which case... you'd want to know, right?)

"Don't make me opt in." (Forgive me if this sounds rude... but I ain't makin'
you do anything. If you want my free stuff, opt in. If you don't want it, then
don't. Choice is all yours.)

In other words...

How DARE You Try And Sell Me Stuff.

[Paul Myers]

Cat,

John (zeus66) brings this up at every opportunity. (Edit: John says that this is incorrect, and that I'm either confusing him with someone else, or with a different issue. That's possible. If so, I apologize for the error.) (Second edit: The rational points were made privately. His public response was to call it "a damn lie." Okay. If you insist.)

Still it does come up distressingly often. Doesn't matter that there's never been a single credible shred of proof that any significant number of these are deliberate. Or the fact that it damages your credibility with a noticeable fraction of your subscribers when you do it. The people promoting this fallacious idea are convinced, and that's the end of it.


Paul

[Roy Carter]

Matt has it right. We are all marketers here and heck, if you don't want to leave your details to get the free gift...then don't! In essence it's your CHOICE to either do that or not.

It's also your CHOICE whether to unsubscribe or not.

[Paul Myers]

If you're a makerter, or want to become a successful marketer...
why on earth would you be offended by marketing?

They're not offended by marketing. They're offended by what they see as deceptive marketing. There's a reasonable point to be made about whether or not the tactic in question is deceptive, but you're not making it.

Saying, "Don't bitch about any marketing, since this is a marketing forum," is pretty much guaranteed to cost you credibility with quite a number of people in the group.

An example: No-one serious bitches about continuity deals here unless there's a perception that the recurring billing part of the offer wasn't properly disclosed. Those arguments aren't always correct, but the principle is.

"Don't pitch me from stage." (Sure. I mean, it's just criminal that I should
teach you my best ideas for 75-80 minutes, and then take 5 minutes to let
you know what further training I have available. Right? I guess I should do
it for FREE. Heck, maybe I should pay YOU to listen.)

Again you miss the real objection: "Don't make me pay to listen to a pitch." And it's rarely about 5 minutes out of a 60- or 90-minute presentation.

If you're going to counter the objection, perhaps explaining the economics of the seminar model would go farther to gaining understanding than accusing people of being stupid whiners for what is an easily understood objection, absent that explanation.

If you're going to argue with someone, you should at least make some effort to understand what it is you're arguing about.

You have something of a history here of skipping that step.


Paul

[Kevin Riley]

Originally Posted by mbacak

And isn't that question: "Well, how do you -- as a marketer
yourself -- expect to ever sell things to anyone else?"

I mean, if we're all here at this MARKETING FORUM and your
main contribution is to just bitch about every marketing method
known to humans... isn't there a disconnect there?

Love this. The way I see it, some Warriors can just keep bitching about all the marketing tactics that get used on them, while others will just o out and make money.

Note: I'm not condoning the "Here's another freebie" tactic, but I'm also not saying that a marketer shouldn't use it - if it works.

[zerofill]

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

Love this. The way I see it, some Warriors can just keep bitching about all the marketing tactics that get used on them, while others will just o out and make money.

Normally the ones bitching aren't making any money...why you think they are so pissed off? lol

Hell I say use all the marketing tactics they want on me...I might find one I like that I never used lol.

[Gerardas Norkus]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

They're not offended by marketing. They're offended by what they see as deceptive marketing. There's a reasonable point to be made about whether or not the tactic in question is deceptive, but you're not making it.

Paul

Yes, Paul is alsolutely right here. Great post.

[Zeus66]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Cat,

John (zeus66) brings this up at every opportunity. Doesn't matter that there's never been a single credible shred of proof that any significant number of these are deliberate. Or the fact that it damages your credibility with a noticeable fraction of readers. He's convinced, and that's the end of it.


Paul

EDIT: This isn't true about me, but I kinda let my emotions get the better of me in my first reply to this. Paul obviously mistook me for someone else who does rant about this a lot. An honest mistake. I should not have been as blunt as to call him a liar. My bad. We've hugged it out and even though he did try to cop a quick feel, we're solid.

John

[glide21]

Totally agree, one feels like Alice in wonderland, down the rabit hole again. I immediately unsubcribe. Furthermore, most freebies are not free as they steal your time and mostly contain a pile of junk at worst or a teaser at best.

[Alican Yenidogan]

Matt,

Great post. Actually, those who bitch about marketing tactics that are used will eventually unsubscribe from that list. They are just trying to find a way to feel confortable about their desicion.

Alican

[BIG Mike]

I don't have a problem being marketed to other than not having time enough to sort through everything that's out there. I would imagine that a lot of folks in business online bitch about certain marketing methods for the same reason.

Back in my corporate days, I carefully "Trained" sales people calling on me in how they could best hope to ever make a sale.

First, get to know what my business is actually all about and what our needs are. Then, when you find what you think is a good match, send me the summaries - don't waste my time with hype; get me the absolute minimum I need need to know to make a decision or to ask for more info/presentations.

Feel free to let me know about what else is out there, but do NOT waste my time trying to just pitch me for the sake of making a sale, especially when it's not really suitable for me in the first place. You're just going to piss me off and not be invited back.

I've had sales people follow me for years and making out like bandits, while the ones that resisted never got any further than lobby security.

Being this is a marketing forum, it makes sense to at least "Listen" to what other marketers bitch about from a consumer perspective, especially if you market to them.

I would think that someone who pulled together a list of known marketers (reasonably successful ones anyways), carefully identified their interests and then marketed to them on a professional level would see some serious long term profitability for their efforts.

Speaking for myself, I want someone who is willing to cater to me in exchange for exclusively buying from them. That's one thing about the offline world I miss the most.

[NightWriter]

I've been studying these lists - I've subscribed to probably 50 or 75 by now. I've unsubscribed to most. One of the tactics I hate most is that described by the OP. Equally despicable variations are the ones that tell you you're getting a freebie or a gift and then take you to their sales page - e-mail after e-mail - day after day.

This has got to be a prime example of how not to do a newsletter - yet, these people seem to have their act together in other ways.

What I do like and what I see very little of is this:

1) People who really personalize their messages. You feel like you know them and they consistently give you good information - they clearly put effort into it.

2) People who really do what they say they're going to do when they give you a "gift." I signed up for an affiliate program recently and the guy sent out a newsletter blast giving a gift of some PLR articles that pertained to that niche. I thought that was really nice - I remembered that guy and his product. I have an image of him in my mind now as a decent person.

3) I tend to stick with highly credible sources that give good info. One of my favorites - geez, I can't remember his name, but you'll probably know if you've been in IM very long at all - he gives links occasionally to some Gary Halbert material. I gave him my P.O. Box in an opt-in at his site and he sent me the nicest report about Gary Halbert' "Frankenstein" copyrighting method. I stick with that guy because he has good info. and does what he says he's going to do.

So, I've set up three opt-ins on my site so far and I've tried to keep all of this in mind. I like to use PLR content sometimes, but I usually alter it quite a bit - sometimes I end up re-writing it completely. On my writer's opt-in, I try to be instructional - give helpful reports, show them how to use PLR to learn to write... I'm on one writing list that actually isn't too bad - I constantly try to think how to make mine better and keep it at a beginner's level, which is where my book is.

At my other ones I try to make up for any lack of expertise on my part by constantly giving stuff away - even useful software when I can find it.

I read a lot about autoresponders and opt-in - but, honestly, I've learned the most from the things that I hate about most of the other lists I've joined and sometimes promptly unjoined!

AK

[steve-wilkins]

As marketer's we should expect to also be marketed too. Best tip is to sort out your email box, go through and sort out which lists give you the best value and stay on them and unsubscribe to everyone else who doesnt offer similar value or who you find mis-leading or irritating.

Let me tell you a fresh and up-to-date inbox is a marketer's heaven! I peronally hate it when I have over 50 unread messages, I feel I may be missing out on something or that my head is swelling and I just don't have the time to read them all.

I was subscribed to 25 different marketer's, now only 4 and they are top marketer's who respect my inbox.

Go get some feng-shui in your inbox (hope I spelt that right)

Steve.

[JohnHuizinga]

I have trouble understanding why someone who spent a great deal of time and money building a list of emails, some of which might be unique to their list, would want to dilute the effectiveness of their marketing to that list by putting these people on the lists of 10s of other marketers just so they can add people to their list that are also on the lists of 10s of other marketers.
I've been barraged with "free" offers in the past couple of weeks to the point that I'm now on a ton of lists and just don't have the time or the interest to sort through all of those emails. Especially since most of them aren't offering me any real value - just making pitch after pitch.

[JR Rich]

Well, I don't really have any problem with these marketing tactics being used on me - some of them actually make me smile and giggle to myself (Though I DO tend to giggle a lot to myself these days...must be the isolation)

Here, on the WarriorForum, we tend to identify these tactics the moment they're used on us and naturally assume that they're being identified by Everyone who sees them...

Trust me, they're not.

Most people who are exposed to marketing tactics have no idea that they're being 'played' - this is simply how sales are done. It's how they've always been done to one degree or another.

Selling is - and will always be - the skill or art of convincing someone that they desperately need something that they could probably live without.

We try to be as ethical as possible but, without a certain amount of 'hype', nothing anywhere would ever get sold.

It's the nature of the business.

If the heat of the kitchen is too much, there is always that old "Nine-to-Five" job waiting!

Regards,
--JR Rich

[ScottTMc]

Im with you on this, as a curious internet marketer i like to sign up to lists, i get ideas of hwat i like and can include in my own emails or as an example youve pointed out here the things that get on my nervs from others lists.

Think that if you would like to recieve the email youve sent then its most likely going to be a good email that your list will enjoy

[Kevin Riley]

BTW, I have a free report on ranting. You only need to give me your name and e-mail address.

[John Cabral]

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

BTW, I have a free report on ranting. You only need to give me your name and e-mail address.

Check your email box lol

[MichaelHiles]

lol @ the anti-rant ranting.

[Antony103]

i have actually recently unsubscribed from 3-4 people due to annoying and constant emails to subscribe to other ppls list.

[JohnMcCabe]

In the words of one much-loved/maybe-even-more-hated radio host, "words mean things."

I don't get too upset if someone pitches me something "free", and it costs me an opt-in. There's enough ambiguity in the word 'free' that I can allow for 'no money exchanged' as the definition.

"Gift", on the other hand, has an entirely different meaning - at least to me. It means something freely given, not a barter arrangement. When someone offers me a gift, I don't expect to trade anything for it. When they ask, it breaches the idea of giving.

There are a few emailers that have my number. They do send me pitches for other peoples' lists, and I do check them out and opt in more often than not. What's their secret? They deal the cards face up.

They don't tell me that they managed to finagle a deal out of their close, personal friend. They tell me that I can get some offer because a colleague is launching a new project.

They don't tell me it's a gift to thank me for being on the list. They tell me they think it's worthwhile, and why. They tell me that there's an opt-in involved. I decide if the exchange is worthwhile for me. A square deal all around.

Basically, they treat me like a person of value, not like a mark in a carnival midway.

On a side note, it's funny how the people whining about "marketers bitching about marketing" are often using the practice being criticized.

If your ears are burning, maybe they are talking about you...

[mbacak]

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

BTW, I have a free report on ranting.
You only need to give me your name and e-mail address.

How about you put it on a data CD, then have me
cover the shipping an handling so I can have it handy
anytime I want to read it. Plus, then maybe I can
test drive your continuity program too. But, please
make sure that your sales team doesn't call me.

I don't need a coach to hold me accountable and give
me advice so I can shortcut the learning curve becasue
I'll never do anything anyway. I enjoy being broke.

[Zeus66]

It amuses me when people paint all rants with a broad brush or imply that the ranter is just a bitter failure lashing out at his/her "betters." Obviously (well, it should be obvious, at least), some rants have a solid basis in reality and help others a) avoid the culprits and/or b) learn to market their wares in a more ethical manner.

I've noticed how a lot of these threads devolve in just such a manner. It's fascinating. When I read someone say it must just be a failed marketer getting his envy on, my thought is always that maybe the one saying that is the failure. Perhaps they had to resort to smarmy tactics to achieve a level of success. Funny how the logic plays both ways.

John

[John Cabral]

Hey Paul I just realized you live where my dad was born. How's the weather up there. Hot and humidy and raing down here in lovely south florida. :-)

[John Cabral]

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

Did he ever tell you it would be a direct download? If not, I'd say you're the problem. You're the one who decided to make an assumption based on nothing. What's next, whining because he didn't tell you your free gift wouldn't arrive in the mail?

Maybe you are ok with the practice but I am not. If I already subscribed to your list and you email me about getting a free whatever I am not expecting to sign up for Joe Blow's list. If I want to sign up to another list I will do it on my own.

I am all for building your list. Hell I am doing that now.

Why not say hey I have a free gift for you from so and so and that way I will know that I will most likely have to join that person's list.

Those that do that I have no issue with...

My post/rant was from a consumers/subscribers point of view and as a list builder you want your subscribers to be happy and stick around don't you?

This has nothing to do with me being in IM'er not really sure what I am LOL besides an accountant who loves cumputers, internet and programming crap. or whether I am making money or not.

Problem I see is too many over-hyping and being deceptive.

[Paul Myers]

Hey Paul I just realized you live where my dad was born. How's the weather up there. Hot and humidy and raing down here in lovely south florida. :-)

Typically beautiful PA fall. Supposed to get down to 56 tonight. Leaves turned, and it looks like Dog's country.


Paul

[Folusho Orokunle]

WOW!!!! I tell my wife that I hate reality TV but every time she watches it I get sucked in :-)

This is "REALITY INTERNET MARKETER" at it's best.

The only wood I'm gonna add to the fire is this:

Some marketers are only concerned with making money....

Some marketers are concerned with making money and their integrity while making money....

Some marketers are scared to make lots of money but love trashing other marketing techniques....

Some marketers don't care how much they make they're just happy with what they make....

Some marketers are just lying scum bags and would lie to their wives if it meant they could make an extra 100k

Some marketers are naive but once they find out they don't have to be like the marketers that treat everyone like a number and are in some fantasy land that makes them think that because they've made millions "if must be right".....They're free now to do business the way "they like"....

Point is:

Regardless of the category your in.......SOMEONE WILL STILL COMPLAIN!!!!!!

[John Cabral]

Here is an example that I personally find annoying. It's my opinion as a consumer/subcriber and may not be yours which is ok.

Hey John,

Thank you for being a loyal subscriber, here's your download.

http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=7xWVJ&m=1aq (link is to join a giveaway site which has been disabled by me)

Enjoy,

XXXX XXXXXX

Now why couldn't they just say here is a link to a giveaway site with some great products that you may enjoy..... instead of the cloak and dagger promoting their affiliate link to giveaway site...

[actionplanbiz]

They should surprise bonus straight to download page (should have value). and offer other the free stuff that they need to opt in there.

[tommygunn]

Thanks for the tip, I think a lot of people would appreciate more transparency and honesty. All in all, I think this will keep your subscribers around longer and build their trust in you/your products. Then again, this is just another marketing tactic .

[John Cabral]

Here is another deceptive email and one I unsubscribed ASAP Link goes to an affiliate page for the Cell Cash System. Maybe this is why I am not successful online as I don't use all these B.S. tactics being used and taught to us. Guess the only way to make money online is to use them.

Funny I already got multiple copies from others.... Guess they all learned from the same source.


Hey John,

I sent you an incredibly important email yesterday, but
I'm not sure if you got it.

<<<<http://clicks.aweber.com/y/blahblahblah>>>>>

I've been having some trouble with my email lately...

Anyway, I wanted to make sure that you got to see
this, it's brand new for you, just came out yesterday.

<<<<http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/blahblahblah>>>>>>

Go now, read the material (takes 4 minutes) and get your
username and password sent to you.

There're some really killer videos on the page that
you don't want to miss.

Talk soon,

Name withheld

<<<<<http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=CYblahblahblah>>>

[Gary Smith]

I think the single biggest difference between 'good' lists and 'bad' lists bears a direct relationship to the goal of the list owners.

Some marketers want to build a business and others just want to make money. I could probably write a couple of pages from what I've learned over the past 4 or 5 years but I think most of it has already been said in this thread. I was on 30 or 40 lists at one stage and I unsubscribed from nearly all of them. Deceptive marketing techniques, copy and paste sale pitches and hollow recommendations...as someone else said... it all starts to look a bit desperate.

[reikejan]

Newbie to the list here - with a question. If I offer a free report/something, don't you assume you would have to opt in? How else do I capture emails to build my list?

I offer a free report (real estate stuff) that then goes to an upsell. Is this offensive to you? Do I have to tell you in my email that 1) you have to opt in to get the free report and 2) once you do that, you will be redirected to an upsell page? If I don't disclose this to you, will you be offended?

Another problem I have is that I've been involved in outside sales for years and find I'm good at it. But.... the thing that seems to make me good at it is the fact that I can "allow" the buyer to make the buying decision. They don't feel any pressure from me, so they not only relax around me, they think I'm really great, trustworthy, etc., and they buy. SO - how do I transport that face-to-face patience and trustworthiness to the sales page? I keep hearing urgency and scarcity (and it works on me), but isn't there some way to bring that soft-sell approach that is so effective to IM? How is what I want to know.

[slovatt]

Everything you buy from a sales person comes with additional options that you never originally ask for. Right from extended warranties to would you like fries with that. This is common business practice everywhere, not just online.

[blanchi]

Yep, that's why there's that convenient "unsubscribe" link. I'm never afraid to use it when I get e-mails like those. Sadly, I think the list owner expects some kind of attrition (I would and I confess to not being all that good/attentive when it comes to my list!).

[John Cabral]

What I am learning is that it seems that most are after the quick buck and not looking long term as far as list building and developing lasting followers.

To me I see it as short term and as soon as I see it done I go straight to the unsubscribe link.

I have no issue with you promoting a product to me but please don't insult my intelligence with these underhanded tricks.

You will only end up losing me as a subscriber.

[John Cabral]

Originally Posted by reikejan

Newbie to the list here - with a question. If I offer a free report/something, don't you assume you would have to opt in? How else do I capture emails to build my list?

Yes and No. If I am already on your list then No I don't expect to signup for your free report. It should be a direct download. You can show me other offers on that page or an OTO. Perfectly cool with me.

But no if I am on your list and you tell me to go download a free report etc and its a page bto signup then I will be gone. I may signup if other person has something I may want but I guarantee I will be gone from your list.

[John Cabral]

Originally Posted by slovatt

Everything you buy from a sales person comes with additional options that you never originally ask for. Right from extended warranties to would you like fries with that. This is common business practice everywhere, not just online.

I disagree with you as they are not using deceptive tactics to get you to buy. If I go to BK and they try to get me to buy something else they are not using trickery to get me to buy.