Duplicate Content????????

[iwantmore]

newbie probably asking a stupid question, but need to know.

if i create an article for use on my info website, can i then use the same article on article directories?

or would i have to spin the article to get round the duplicate content problems?

sorry if it sounds stupid, just trying to fiqure out if i need to do double the amount of articles i create.

[amber1210]

Hmm... I'd say spin in just to be safe. Its always better to spin the article and make sure its different, than it is to have the same exact content. Better safe than sorry. But, thats just my personal opinion. best of luck

[robinincarolina]

Bum marketing says it's ok to submit the same article, but in the same video sugests that you change the title and then the content by 55% if you are not sure so I go with above, better to be safe than sorry.

[Colin Theriot]

You should read this first: Article on site or EZA first ?

And then ignore amber1210. In fact, she should go read that thread too.

Thanks Colin, you beat me to it ... lol

James

[iwantmore]

thanks for the link, cleared it all up for me

sorry if you guys are getting irritated by lots of newbies asking the same questions, i tried the search and couldnt find an answer to my specific question.

maybe we should have a topic stickied at the top of the forum saying

***NEWBIES PLEASE READ! DUPLICATE CONTENT FACTS/FICTION***


thanks, off to write some articles now.

[opportunites]

Hi Iwantmore,

Please don't blame yourself for asking questions. You are here to learn. If someone feel that he can help you, he will answer your questions.
There is no stupid question... the only stupid question I know is the one you did not ask!

Keep learning!

[Steven Fullman]

No such thing as the dreaded "Duplicate Content" penalty.

BUT...you can and will get relegated into the supplemental results page if you're not careful.

I call it the "Google Snub" (tm)

or the "Google Blank" (tm)

or the "Google P Off" (again...tm)

If you can think of a catchier phrase, let me know...tonight!

Steve

P.S. James, I expect YOU'VE got something else to say on this matter.

Originally Posted by Steven Fullman

No such thing as the dreaded "Duplicate Content" penalty.

BUT...you can and will get relegated into the supplemental results page if you're not careful.

I call it the "Google Snub" (tm)

or the "Google Blank" (tm)

or the "Google P Off" (again...tm)

If you can think of a catchier phrase, let me know...tonight!

Steve

P.S. James, I expect YOU'VE got something else to say on this matter.

I think I have said enough on the matter ...lol

I will say this though ...

Duplicate Content is a Myth! There is no google penalty and this has been proven to be fact.

* You can post your articles without changing them to 100,000 places if you wish.. This is called syndication.

* You can use the same content on your domain name, this is known as working smart.. I do in fact have duplicate content on my domain and my authors benefit from this big time.

* No google does NOT pick the article they think should be on top, you can dominate google's entire front page with the same exact article. Many of us do just that ...

What google does not want you to do is create the same exact pages with the same exact content over and over on your same domain. Many did this years ago and they was called doorway pages, the idea was to increase your rankings. It worked until the search engines got smarter. This is what google frowns upon.

It is your choice if you want to spin articles or not, it depends upon how you want to do things.

The benefits Of Spun Articles: - Use a proper spinner

* More publishers will pickup your article and republish it because it is not the same as 10,000 other articles that other publishers have posted.

* You can use them to create PLR packages and sell them.

* You can use them to create short reports for opt-ins on your site.

* You can use them to install a 2nd blog on your site for the purpose of boosting up your main site/blog.

* You can use them to create PDF documents and upload them to document sharing sites.

* Plus many more benefits...

So while duplicate content penalty is in fact a myth (on your site or on other sites) We must also decide for ourseleves if spinning an article is worth the benefits or not because the fact remains it is our choice to spin those articles or not.

Search engines will continue to evolve and change on a constant basis and there is nobody that will ever fully figure them out...

The best you can do is test it out for your own self and your own market. Do what you feel is best for you and your business and not what someone else thinks is best for you and your business.

James

[freudianslip27]

I think having a sticky thread would be great for newbies. Perhaps it could be a single thread and in it, have links to all basic threads like one addressing "duplicate content" and people could nominate threads to be in it?

Matt

[MarkLloyd]

SPINNN IT! No really...either re-write the whole article or change up at least 70% of it. Always submit your first version to EZA than the others afterwards. It sounds like a pain and the ass...and if you are one person it is but keep at it. Also, never use the exact same thing on your site (to answer your question). The article sites are to promote your site, so make them unique and draw people in.

[Steven Fullman]

Wind him up and watch him go...



Steve

P.S. James knows his stuff, btw. Whether he wants me to wear pink bunny ears or not...(long story)

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I think I have said enough on the matter ...lol

I will say this though ...

Duplicate Content is a Myth! There is no google penalty and this has been proven to be fact.

* You can post your articles without changing them to 100,000 places if you wish.. This is called syndication.

* You can use the same content on your domain name, this is known as working smart.. I do in fact have duplicate content on my domain and my authors benefit from this big time.

* No google does NOT pick the article they think should be on top, you can dominate google's entire front page with the same exact article. Many of us do just that ...

What google does not want you to do is create the same exact pages with the same exact content over and over on your same domain. Many did this years ago and they was called doorway pages, the idea was to increase your rankings. It worked until the search engines got smarter. This is what google frowns upon.

It is your choice if you want to spin articles or not, it depends upon how you want to do things.

The benefits Of Spun Articles: - Use a proper spinner

* More publishers will pickup your article and republish it because it is not the same as 10,000 other articles that other publishers have posted.

* You can use them to create PLR packages and sell them.

* You can use them to create short reports for opt-ins on your site.

* You can use them to install a 2nd blog on your site for the purpose of boosting up your main site/blog.

* You can use them to create PDF documents and upload them to document sharing sites.

* Plus many more benefits...

So while duplicate content penalty is in fact a myth (on your site or on other sites) We must also decide for ourseleves if spinning an article is worth the benefits or not because the fact remains it is our choice to spin those articles or not.

Search engines will continue to evolve and change on a constant basis and there is nobody that will ever fully figure them out...

The best you can do is test it out for your own self and your own market. Do what you feel is best for you and your business and not what someone else thinks is best for you and your business.

James

Originally Posted by freudianslip27

I think having a sticky thread would be great for newbies. Perhaps it could be a single thread and in it, have links to all basic threads like one addressing "duplicate content" and people could nominate threads to be in it?

Matt

That is why I have a sticky thread on my forum, so these threads do not come up over and over...lol

@MarkLloyd - go back up and read the thread about posting to your site first or EZA.. You might learn something..

@SteveFullman - Ha - Thanks!

James

[Colin Theriot]

Originally Posted by MarkLloyd

SPINNN IT! No really...either re-write the whole article or change up at least 70% of it. Always submit your first version to EZA than the others afterwards. It sounds like a pain and the ass...and if you are one person it is but keep at it. Also, never use the exact same thing on your site (to answer your question). The article sites are to promote your site, so make them unique and draw people in.

Obvious troll is obvious. How's that for a lolcat, pal?

[MarkLloyd]

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

Obvious troll is obvious. How's that for a lolcat, pal?

Yep this troll helps people out... and sticks around. Is that what you do? sit around all day and try to call out trolls instead of actually answering questions and offering some sort of value. I've been doing SEO and online marketing for 5 years...if you need help PM me noob

[Colin Theriot]

Originally Posted by MarkLloyd

Yep this troll helps people out... and sticks around. Is that what you do? sit around all day and try to call out trolls instead of actually answering questions and offering some sort of value. I've been doing SEO and online marketing for 5 years...if you need help PM me noob

I just assumed you were being a troll since you were so wrong. I thought it had to be on purpose, but I guess I was the one who was wrong. You're NOT a troll, I take it back.

However, I'm not sure that a genuine person who is "helping" people with incorrect information is any better than the trolling.

Read that thread I linked to and see if you might update your thinking. You might have missed when I did that link earlier, since you said I wasn't helping or offering value. I guess linking to the best thread on the forum that thoroughly covers the topic from multiple angles doesn't count.

Wait a minute... Dammit, did you just troll me again?

[cage73]

I am not an expert by any means but I in my opinion duplicate content is a myth. One of my websites is a news site and I am updating the site with press releases on a daily basis as are hundreds of other sites in the same niche and the majority of these pages on my site rank consistently well in Google. I don't change any content within the press release and keep the original headline in tact.

[MarkLloyd]

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

I just assumed you were being a troll since you were so wrong. I thought it had to be on purpose, but I guess I was the one who was wrong. You're NOT a troll, I take it back.

However, I'm not sure that a genuine person who is "helping" people with incorrect information is any better than the trolling.

Read that thread I linked to and see if you might update your thinking. You might have missed when I did that link earlier, since you said I wasn't helping or offering value. I guess linking to the best thread on the forum that thoroughly covers the topic from multiple angles doesn't count.

Wait a minute... Dammit, did you just troll me again?

lol, your right i didn't see your earlier post! This is not our thread to be going back and forth on..this is kinda inappropriate. I usually do submit to ezine first, and than re-write the rest of my articles. As for my site i never copy and paste the exact same content onto an article...that's stupid (ok, maybe in a blog setting, but NEVER exactly the same). Maybe good for a backlink...but stupid if your business is offering something of value. Even if google doesn't notice it and there are different opinions on it...did you ever think about the user? The user see's "A Content" and like's it so goes to your site just to find "A Content" lol. I prefer the user to see A(ezine or whatever) than B(the site content) and then make a sale.

That's the problem people get involved with SEO and never consider the user...linkwheels and what not.

Anyway troll on Colin jk haha

[markshields]

I think when it comes to the question of duplicate content it is quite a contraversial issue as I have seen many posts on this forum about it. I decided to test this out so I put some content on my blog that was duplicate and everyday its indexed by google

[AnnaOlgushka]

you can submit the same articles, i recommend you register to EZA and spend some time reading their guidelines. they don't have any problem with reposting articles, in fact this is probably the best case study of duplicate content

[iwantmore]

funnily enough, because i became a eza author recentley, they have been sending me emails to get me upto speed about being an author, heres there latest email, tells me everything i needed to know and confirms what most of you guys have been saying, thanks for you help.



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[Divya.sharma]

Originally Posted by markshields

I think when it comes to the question of duplicate content it is quite a contraversial issue as I have seen many posts on this forum about it. I decided to test this out so I put some content on my blog that was duplicate and everyday its indexed by google

Hmmmm, this is something which even I am thinking about. People say that duplicate content will not be indexed by Google. But, if we give a title search of the same article in the Google, we can see a lot of places where our article has been published (same article). So this means Google would have indexed even the duplicate content!

Only Google will know, what its strategies are... !

[MarkLloyd]

Originally Posted by Divya.sharma

Hmmmm, this is something which even I am thinking about. People say that duplicate content will not be indexed by Google. But, if we give a title search of the same article in the Google, we can see a lot of places where our article has been published (same article). So this means Google would have indexed even the duplicate content!

Only Google will know, what its strategies are... !

Yes, they may get indexed...but that doesn't meant there is any value at all.

[theimdude]

Are we finish now?

Originally Posted by theimdude

Are we finish now?

God I hope so ....

@MarkLloyd

Yes, they may get indexed...but that doesn't meant there is any value at all.

..... Yes even those "duplicates" have value..

James

[willdean]

Duplicate content myth has been de-bunked a long time ago.

What Google doesn't like is duplicate content on the same website. Don't have multiple pages on your own website that are too similar in contenet or Google "may not" index some of those duplicate pages.

That is how I believe it goes.

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by AnnaOlgushka

you can submit the same articles, i recommend you register to EZA and spend some time reading their guidelines.

Just as a little aside, here, and/or an attempt to change the subject, if people routinely did that, it would take away at least 50% of the conversations and complaining we have about EZA in this forum!

[rconejr]

I'm sure you can get away with duplicate content. There are other experts on this site, but my opinion is that spinning it just slightly gives it the perception of being another article.

[da1fitz]

Can I throw a spanner into the works here and mention that google allegedly does have a new algorithm that actually does recognise dupicate content domain wide - so maybe we shouldn't ignore this sooooo much.., in a few months or so!!

[Bill Farnham]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Duplicate Content is a Myth!

James,

Duplicate Content is Not a Myth. It's very real.

These threads have been duplicated over and over and over again.

We should have a Sticky here that just contains a list of questions to use as a subject line. There are hundreds of them that are repeated all the time.

We could just replace the search box with a link to the sticky post so folks could not only save themselves the trouble of looking something up, they could also save themselves the trouble of creating subject lines.

To the OP...I'm just kidding around.

KJ

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

James,

Duplicate Content is Not a Myth. It's very real.

These threads have been duplicated over and over and over again.

We should have a Sticky here that just contains a list of questions to use as a subject line. There are hundreds of them that are repeated all the time.

We could just replace the search box with a link to the sticky post so folks could not only save themselves the trouble of looking something up, they could also save themselves the trouble of creating subject lines.

To the OP...I'm just kidding around.

KJ

I was wondering when you would come in and post ....

Great idea by the way ....

James

[sarah_may]

Originally Posted by iwantmore

newbie probably asking a stupid question, but need to know.

if i create an article for use on my info website, can i then use the same article on article directories?

or would i have to spin the article to get round the duplicate content problems?

sorry if it sounds stupid, just trying to fiqure out if i need to do double the amount of articles i create.

Nothing wrong in that but make sure you first submit article to your site and submit it to other article directories only after your website page where you have posted that article get indexed. Also do not forget to link back to your site in your articles each time you go to post it in any article site.

[tpw]

The Duplicate Content Penalty is a myth! Pure and simple.

But you are smart people. You will want more than just my word for it.

I have tackled this subject in great depth in a post on my blog. I point out the words of some of the most respected SEO people on the planet, who support my position that the Duplicate Content Penalty is a myth.

Rather than to rehash the evidence here, I do encourage you to read my blog post on the subject, with quotes and links to support my opinion. You can read that here: Article Marketing and the Duplicate Content Penalty Myth

Originally Posted by tpw

The Duplicate Content Penalty is a myth! Pure and simple.

But you are smart people. You will want more than just my word for it.

I have tackled this subject in great depth in a post on my blog. I point out the words of some of the most respected SEO people on the planet, who support my position that the Duplicate Content Penalty is a myth.

Rather than to rehash the evidence here, I do encourage you to read my blog post on the subject, with quotes and links to support my opinion. You can read that here: Article Marketing and the Duplicate Content Penalty Myth

Maybe now we can put this mythical lie to rest ....

James

[MissTerraK]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Maybe now we can put this mythical lie to rest ....

James

Mythical Lie
R.I.P.
??/??/??
thru
10/31/09

MissTerraK

[tpw]

So Jill Whalen of HighRankings.net and Aaron Wall of SEObook are lying too, eh?

Go through the evidence, make your own mind.

Originally Posted by tpw

So Jill Whalen of HighRankings.net and Aaron Wall of SEObook are lying too, eh?

Go through the evidence, make your own mind.

No Bill we agree with you ... Dude..

James

[tpw]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

No Bill we agree with you ... Dude..

James

Sorry James. Misunderstood.

I thank you for your support. ;-)

Originally Posted by robfoster

Duplicate content could be a myth. But how can we stop if someone is using our content without permission ?

That is stealing (totally different issue) and you can issue a DMCA to have it removed, if you want to spend the time doing so ...

James

[tpw]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

That is stealing (totally different issue) and you can issue a DMCA to have it removed, if you want to spend the time doing so ...

James

Yes, stolen content is a totally different deal.

It can be painful to get the stolen content taken down, but it is effective.

You can use the DMCA to contact the ISP of the website owner. Do contact the owner first, then the ISP, then the upstream provider if the first two don't get results.

I am 80% effective just contacting the webmaster and telling them they have stolen content on their site.

If contacting the website owner fails, you can jump the gun and contact google with the appropriate faxed information, and net the site owner a delisting in google, but I encourage you to save that till the end.

Some people simply do not realize the error of their ways. They think that all content online is okay to copy.

So contact the webmaster first, then contact isp, then contact google for recourse.

[T2007]

Hi Colin,

My question is a bit different, and would appreciate your input as I'm puzzled...

I understand the articles on my website MUST be different to those for submission to article directories; however, I'm not sure if the same article can be submitted to more than one directory safely. In other words, can I submit the same article to EZA and to other directories? And if so, how does this relate to duplicate content? This may sound obvious, but I have read both opinions. I'd like to get clarity from somebody who has had experience in this, and you seem to be that person.

Thanks!
Tammy

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

You should read this first: Article on site or EZA first ?

And then ignore amber1210. In fact, she should go read that thread too.

[Istvan Horvath]

Originally Posted by T2007

I understand the articles on my website MUST be different to those for submission to article directories;

You definitely misread something.

The whole thread and Colin's post especially was about the opposite: you do NOT need to have different articles for your site and directories

(What you stated above is "the myth of duplicate content")

[mobetman]

Lot's of great info on this thread for newbies. Thanks.

[mryan1]

This is a great resource. I am sure that a lot of people were wondering the same thing. I was always taught that dup content is bad.