Does the WF Distort Your View of The Real World?

[Ron Douglas]

This is not a knock on the forum because I've been active here for years. However, this place can distort your sense of reality and shape your opinions. It's important to remember that this is just a tiny segment of the real world and most people have never even heard of this site.

There are certain things that are common thought amongst Warriors due to the strong peer influence present here, but are not necessarily true.

I'll give you some examples of what reading this forum will make you believe:

• Everyone has heard of Adsense and Adsense as a make money strategy is dead.

• Guys like Kern, Reese, and Walker are famous.

• The Make Money Online market is saturated and you can't make money there.

• Clickbank is a big company

Again, not a knock on anyone who believes this stuff. I'm just trying to make a point with those examples.

The reason I bring this up is - when you're trying to find ideas for making money, don't let the common beliefs here limit your thinking. Don't let the opinions here put your thoughts in a box of what will and won't sell. Just because Warriors might not buy, doesn't mean it won't sell. Sometimes you can have a good idea but just need to get it in front of a different group of customers.

[MichaelHiles]

I think there are a lot of young people on the WF, and there are a lot of people who aren't really experienced in the wider world of business in general.

Both of those combined make for interesting observations, particularly the self-aggrandizing "we invented the internet" kind of stuff that goes on. Half the stuff claimed as innovation here is pure rehash from things 10, 20, 30, 50 years ago - just with a little different twist.

Before there were affiliate programs, there were channel sales partners.

Before that it was called being a manufacturer's rep.

Before there was Frank Kern and Mike Filsame, there were guys like Geoffrey Moore & Ted Levitt.

Before there was "offline gold" consultants there were web developers.

[netkid]

Very well said Ron. We all are brought up with "distortions" all our lives. I think the most difficult thing to do in one's life is to break away from all limiting beliefs and tread into "unkown" territory.

We are all "searching" for the magic lamp to give us what we think we want, but quite often it is a "mirage."

I think if we all come to realize that the possibilites exist to be successful with any niche market, we all would have success guaranteed. What is it that is said? "we only utilize 5% of our brain power? Let's use a little more of that and we should be fine!

Bruce

[Steve Peters Benn]

Hi Michael,

I seem to remember the average age of a WF user is early fifties. The newbies shout quite loud though which distorts things.

I stay out of off topic stuff because long threads on pet peeves always have a distorting effect and the net result is almost never good for me.

I think John Reese is a fantastic guy - his brain dump method should be required viewing for every forum user -but I have seen him get dragged in by forum blackhole threads that grow and grow and take a life on of their own.

[Kevin Barnes]

Get words of wisdom guys.

[uncle randy 71]

Originally Posted by Ron Douglas

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I'll give you some examples of what reading this forum will make you believe:

• Everyone has heard of Adsense and Adsense as a make money strategy is dead.

• Guys like Kern, Reese, and Walker are famous.

• The Make Money Online market is saturated and you can't make money there.

• Clickbank is a big company

I guess my comments will confirm your theory. I have been reading the Warrior Forum for a few months and I can tell you that I did think most people were comfortable with Adsense, I have never heard of the people you mentioned by name, and I did think that Clickbank was a giant company.

[misterwrecker]

In the offline world, I can't even talk to a person about IM because none of my friends and family really know anything about it and when I start talking they have no clue what I am saying.


-John

[Joseph Ratliff]

Originally Posted by Ron Douglas

It's important to remember that this is just a tiny segment of the real world and most people have never even heard of this site.

This is so spot on it's not funny.

Once I opened my mind to "beyond" WF, and for that matter beyond the "make money online" niche to the rest of the internet world...my income and business possibilities multiplied greatly.

One measure of proof that this is true comes from what we know as "Offline Gold".

Local business owners, for the most part, have no clue that the Internet is in fact a viable marketing tool. You will amaze them just by discussing its possibilities with them.

I love the WF, without it, I would never have gotten started in Internet Marketing, but the Internet is a much bigger place.

[sahi]

Originally Posted by Ron Douglas

• Everyone has heard of Adsense and Adsense as a make money strategy is dead.

• Guys like Kern, Reese, and Walker are famous.

• The Make Money Online market is saturated and you can't make money there.

• Clickbank is a big company

And for these and some other "particular" things that I've been observing here, I don't believe everything that is said and posted here on the forum.

But whatever is said on this topic there would still be people who would believe in anything that is on the WF. But after all that's a human nature.

[BIG Mike]

Originally Posted by sahi

And for these and some other "particular" things that I've been observing here, I don't believe everything that is said and posted here on the forum.

But whatever is said on this topic there would still be people who would believe in anything that is on the WF. But after all that's a human nature.

As well you shouldn't - a lot of well intended (and sometimes not so well-intended) advice is given that is just nonsense. Everyone should be encouraged to evaluate what they read in the context of what they already know and test accordingly.

@Ron - So true brother!

[Paul Myers]

Like Michael said, an awful lot of people here have no experience in business, even down to something as simple as selling. And way too many of the people here have no social lives. (Sad, but it seems true.)

Another problem is the tendency to believe whatever is said loudest and most often, which will guarantee that you're getting most of your ideas from complainers.


Paul

[RobinSkeen]

Great points Ron! I had a very good example of this last week - explaining to someone near my age what a blog is and then helping her set it up and explaining what Adsense and affiliate marketing is. I love teaching as well as writing so it was no burden to do.

Found it interesting as well to explain to my relatives and friends exactly what a Warrior Forum seminar on Internet Marketing was about. LOL

[Ron Douglas]

Thanks for your comments. This came to mind today because I just launched a successful new site that almost didn't happen because I didn't think Warriors would like it. But, then I thought to myself "who cares, what about the other 99.9% of people online."

If I had stuck with my first thought based on the influence of this forum, I would have missed out on a huge opportunity. This really opened my eyes and I thought others would benefit from this.

[Fernando Veloso]

Good advice Ron, appreciated.

The more steps we go further, the less we realize what is behind us.

We need to remind this from time to time.

[George Wright]

Great points Ron,

Another thing I noticed a long time ago and still see today, there are a lot of offers and Marketers online who do things very similar to what we do here who are not known here and "They" don't know about "us."

George Wright

[robfoster]

The Make Money Online market is saturated and you can't make money there.

That's not true. There are many ways rising and ols ways of earning money are not working anymore.

[Gene Pimentel]

Reality -- what a concept

(Mork - aka Robin Williams)

[blalock61]

One word: PERSPECTIVE

[avenuegirl]

I believe everything I read on this forum. It is all true.

[Scott Million]

Originally Posted by Ron Douglas

• Everyone has heard of Adsense and Adsense as a make money strategy is dead.

I once called Adsense "fools gold"... I was very wrong

[kevinfar]

it all depends on the point of view of the target audience. I was having a chat with a client last week, and she said that she thinks that it's difficult to market her product (non-IM niche) because everyone would be able to see through her trying to sell a product and that would be a turn off.

However, I completly disagree because in the real world, just as someone mentioned, only a few know about the whole internet marketing selling stuff, and what you may consider to be internet marketing norms (e.g. setting up a squeeze page) might be something that for other people is pure gold.

Kevin

[BIG Mike]

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

I believe everything I read on this forum. It is all true.

Of course it is - because it's on the Internet

[theimdude]

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

I believe everything I read on this forum. It is all true.

So do I and that is why I buy so many WSO's ................... now I am broke and my faith is getting weaker and weaker and weak.....

[Neromancer]

Originally Posted by Ron Douglas

This is not a knock on the forum because I've been active here for years. However, this place can distort your sense of reality and shape your opinions. It's important to remember that this is just a tiny segment of the real world and most people have never even heard of this site.

There are certain things that are common thought amongst Warriors due to the strong peer influence present here, but are not necessarily true.

I'll give you some examples of what reading this forum will make you believe:

• Everyone has heard of Adsense and Adsense as a make money strategy is dead.

• Guys like Kern, Reese, and Walker are famous.

• The Make Money Online market is saturated and you can't make money there.

• Clickbank is a big company

Again, not a knock on anyone who believes this stuff. I'm just trying to make a point with those examples.

The reason I bring this up is - when you're trying to find ideas for making money, don't let the common beliefs here limit your thinking. Don't let the opinions here put your thoughts in a box of what will and won't sell. Just because Warriors might not buy, doesn't mean it won't sell. Sometimes you can have a good idea but just need to get it in front of a different group of customers.

This is an excellent observation and you are right - this site is a small
microcosm of the larger picture. I have heard of many success stories
in IM from people who never heard of this forum . . . and I have had
people tell me at one time or another, perhaps justifiably so that an idea
I had was crap and not to do it. Some of my more successful products
I created were from people telling me it was not worth its time.

What I did get from this was a new way to look at making money. Criticism
sometimes is important to help us see the obvious holes in our offers that
may not be so obvious to us any other way. Yet I believe I have learned
more here than just limiting ideas. Still it is nice to be reminded
that the best ideas come from a free thinking person not limited
by peer pressure - good post thanks.

[Neromancer]

Originally Posted by boggledash

Wow! I'm an average WF user -any other average WF users out there?

I think you will find that if you take the time to contribute to
the ebb and flow of conversations here and in other places
on this site you will find many people who need good advice;
and even an average player can contribute good material.

What makes you average might be your belief that you are . . . average.

This is one of the ways to get your posts up without one liners
that are viewed as maybe not the best way to gain the respect
of everybody -
just my 2 cents worth since you asked

[Steven Wagenheim]

Ron, one of the biggest, if not the biggest problems I see here with people
(nothing personal folks) is that a lot of them are sick of marketing and
because of that, they think that this won't work and that won't work and
on and on. I won't list all the things we're tired of because it would be a
laundry list a mile long.

Point is, you are so dead on the money it isn't funny. (Hey, that rhymed )

Folks, news flash...you thinking that:

Forced Continuity
Long Sales Copy
Adsense
Old Style Squeeze Pages
Text Based Static HTML Sites
Giveaways
Newsletters

Or whatever you're fed up with is dead...doesn't mean a fricken hill of
beans.

You are one dust particle in the grand scheme of things.

There are hundreds of thousands of people out there who think that
getting a free report to help them with their problem is GOLD.

Get over yourselves and your narrow-minded bigoted opinion of Internet
marketing and all that it involves.

I make a crap load of money doing sh*t that most people here laugh at.

Well, I'm the one laughing to the bank.

Start testing things instead of jumping to conclusions just because for
you it's another ho-hum outdated tactic.

It's a big world out there.

[mr2020]

Originally Posted by Ron Douglas

This is not a knock on the forum because I've been active here for years. However, this place can distort your sense of reality and shape your opinions. It's important to remember that this is just a tiny segment of the real world and most people have never even heard of this site.

There are certain things that are common thought amongst Warriors due to the strong peer influence present here, but are not necessarily true.

I'll give you some examples of what reading this forum will make you believe:

• Everyone has heard of Adsense and Adsense as a make money strategy is dead.

• Guys like Kern, Reese, and Walker are famous.

• The Make Money Online market is saturated and you can't make money there.

• Clickbank is a big company

Again, not a knock on anyone who believes this stuff. I'm just trying to make a point with those examples.

The reason I bring this up is - when you're trying to find ideas for making money, don't let the common beliefs here limit your thinking. Don't let the opinions here put your thoughts in a box of what will and won't sell. Just because Warriors might not buy, doesn't mean it won't sell. Sometimes you can have a good idea but just need to get it in front of a different group of customers.

I suspect most people here want to make money. So if you want to make a megatons of money, or a couple hundred a week try this on.

Take one "distorted world" - We'll call it the Warrior Forum.
Take another "distorted world" - Let's call it the party / cookout / meal you are at.

And combine them.

Like combining chicken wings and hot sauce. Buffalo wings were born.
Like combining "buffalo wings" with "pizza delivery". That's another how one now.
Like combining....

Last night, I am showing some OFFLINE friends some simple stuff with my version of "linkwheeling" and it blows their minds. In 25 minutes we had another application developed with a new spin. One that will make us all some good buckos and have a great impact on our worlds.....

All by taking the time to form new connections.

Does the warrior forum distort my world? Sure. In a great way.

I hope it does yours too!

Mr. Twenty Twenty
Whoo yah!

[JayXtreme]

Bravo, Ron...

There are many people who need to pay great attention to your post!!!...

Peace to ya, dude.

Jay

p.s. The thanks button doesn't do justice to your post. Short, sweet, but amazingly powerful...

[rwb24]

Well said Ron. We let too many "good intended" people influence us in the wrong way.
Robert