The value of High PR Domains?

[Derrick0408]

Hi,

I see a lot of paid and free WSO's and articles which point you to sites with high Page Rank (PR) ranking that allow you to leave comments and get a high PR backlink.

My question is that when you initially go on to one of these websites - you can see the high PR, but when you find a Blog post or news story to comment on, the PR for the actual page is often zero - does this mean you will or won't get the benefit of the sites high PR if you leave a comment for a backlink?

Hope this makes sense!

[InternetMarketingIQ]

PageRank is NOT SiteRank.

If you want benefits you need links on pages that have pagerank and the fewer links on the page the better.

You have really answered your own question. A lot of profile links don't even get crawled.

If you want to know if they are then find a similar profile and do a search in Google for the URL of that profile. Get SEO for Firefox or similar and look at the information it pulls on the URL you have searched.

[Derrick0408]

Thanks.

So why do people recommend website with high PR for posting comments on?
Indeed some people sell WSO's full of PR4+ websites for you to get backlinks from but if the pages you can leave comments on have a PR of zero then what is the reason for this tactic?

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Derrick0408

Thanks.

So why do people recommend website with high PR for posting comments on?
Indeed some people sell WSO's full of PR4+ websites for you to get backlinks from but if the pages you can leave comments on have a PR of zero then what is the reason for this tactic?

Because they work and nothing InternetMarketingIQ tries to tell you will discount the scores of people here on Warrior forums who can attest to that. Would it be great to get PR 4 on the page? Sure but you won't find it all that often and once you hit PR7 good luck if you find one. Heres an interesting article from the Google search man himself Matt Cutts

PageRank sculpting

I say its interesting for three reasons not because he endorses using link packages which he never would but because

A) he admits that Pagerank flows through a site it doesn't just stay on a page.

B) he makes a disclaimer that Google's system of analyzing links goes way beyond the simplistic system we know of and takes things into account he wasn't even going to talk about or reveal.

C) and most importantly he tell us the bare bones essence of the system and tha it relies on dividing PR juice. Why is that important? Because any algorythm that divides ends up with fractions. That means Zero isn't always zero and 2 isn't always 2.

People like InternetMarketingIQ who claim that theres no value in these links (as he does in repeated threads) look at a PR of zero on a page and say no value. People who use those packages see their SERPS rise. Why the controversy. Look at all three points.

A) they assume that all there is to PR and ranking is the simplistic PR ideas that Google says they are way beyond.

In other words they assume to know it all when there is no one on this board that knows all the factors that Google looks at and never will because Google keeps things like this under lock and key so to speak.

B) they discount That PR and other factos that flow through a site. With reportedly over 200 things google looks at it it isn't rational to think other factors don't come into play that have to do with a sites authority etc.

C) they mistakenly think that a zero or one PR means the site has EXACTLY that PR when we now know that a PR site of zero might very well have say a .25 but will show as a zero until it meets it or exceeds the mark of 1 because as far as I know I have never seen a tool that displays fractions.

and additionally

D) they live in a fake world where you can allegedly get high PR site links on the home or main page with great frequency (and without spamming). Yet they don't have the backlinks to prove that.

So lets clear the air. I don't (and I presume Angela or anyone else who offers high PR backlinks) think that getting a high PR profile link is the same as being on the home page of those sites. If you could then yes getting PR boost would be a lot easier and faster. What we do presume is tht a high PR site is going to pass on enough juice as you continue to add them up to raise your sites ranking.

You simply are not going to get full PR4 juice from ANY site unless they link to you alone and if you have such an exclusive arrangement you don't need and won't want any backlink package. Besides you don't become a PR4 site because you get one or even a few direct links. Its a game of addition adding all the inbound links and thats why a number of Backlink packages used seperately and even together work.

Too many people have attested to the power of these links. Its a fact.

[Derrick0408]

Thanks Mike, there are plenty of interesting points there!

I'm still slightly mystified as to how leaving anchor text on a page with zero PR (despite
the website the page resides on having PR 7) is going to be of benefit?

[Andy Fletcher]

Originally Posted by Derrick0408

Thanks Mike, there are plenty of interesting points there!

I'm still slightly mystified as to how leaving anchor text on a page with zero PR (despite
the website the page resides on having PR 7) is going to be of benefit?

Because PageRank doesn't matter any more. Do a Google search for pretty much anything you like and look up the PR of the pages returned. For nearly every result you will find lower PRs listed above higher PRs.

A high PR on the homepage helps indicate a well backlinked authority site that it's worth getting links from but ultimately most links are good links.

Exceptions being obvious link farms etc.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Derrick0408

Thanks Mike, there are plenty of interesting points there!

I'm still slightly mystified as to how leaving anchor text on a page with zero PR (despite
the website the page resides on having PR 7) is going to be of benefit?

TWO POINTS


POINT ONE

Because other people have tested it and proven it. Look up any of the threads on backlinks eg Angela's being the most popular. When you have that amount of test results its a fact not an opinion.

All I was trying to do in the last post was explore some possible reasons why it works but that fact that it does isn't questionable if you are looking at evidence.

POINT TWO

Pageranks flows through a site dividing and degrading by an algorythm. Even though A page may show a 0 it does NOT mean that it is exactly zero. the pagerank tools work only in whole numbers not fractions.

Even if you get a link on a PR7 page it doesn't flow full PR7 back to you worse if you are not the only link.

See, thats my point. Even if you spam on a blog with high PR if its dofollow it stands a high degree of having multiple links anyway. The best option most people have is to get links on a high PR site and try and let that juice flowing through the site flow to their link. I do agree with the idea that the link should be crawlable. I see some people claim that even if you have to log in to see the links it still counts but I don't get that and I don't include any of that in my links.

In fact my preferred way of including links in my system guarantees they can and have been crawled.

So just because you can't get a link exactly on a high PR page it doesn't mean that the high PR site will not flow some PR juice to you. there maybe other ways it worlks but that it works is proven

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher

Because PageRank doesn't matter any more. Do a Google search for pretty much anything you like and look up the PR of the pages returned. For nearly every result you will find lower PRs listed above higher PRs.

Andy all that proves is that relevance will trump PR in search engine results not that if you have relevance PR does not matter. SERPS are per keyword relevance not PR. If Adobe with its PR9 status has a relevant article optimized for a search term the PR is going to have effect. Thats one of the reasons that Wikipedia shows up so often at the top of many searches - because it has articles optimized and relevant to the keyword search. So PR hasn't gone away you just need relevance as well.

[Andy Fletcher]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Andy all that proves is that relevance will trump PR in search engine results not that if you have relevance PR does not matter. SERPS are per keyword relevance not PR. If Adobe with its PR9 status has a relevant article optimized for a search term the PR is going to have effect. Thats one of the reasons that Wikipedia shows up so often at the top of many searches - because it has articles optimized and relevant to the keyword search. So PR hasn't gone away you just need relevance as well.

I think we are saying the same thing in a different way

[kkchoon]

I must agree with Mike.

However, I suspect that Google count High PR links because of "trustrank", and high PR sites tend to have better trustrank!

Anyone can confirm?

I use, collect and sell High "Domain PR" Links, and they work very well, at least for me and my customers! Not very sure about high PR site really helps, but those links from Domain PR 3 and above seems to work very well.

-Kok Choon

[Derrick0408]

One thing I noticed when I bought and used a few packets of high PR backlinks is that months later, none of the links are showing, at least according to Market Samurai.

People rave about these PR packets which is great, but I am confused as to why they do not show for me and wonder if there is any point in placing links on high PR sites whose actual pages are zero PR?

Also, just want to thank everyone for responding!

[jasonmorgan]

just think of them as fast food. they are quick, easy and get the job done.

but I am confused as to why they do not show for me

it could take a while for them to show or the SE spiders are not reaching the page with your links. Search the forum for methods to make sure the SE's find your links.

if there is any point in placing links on high PR sites whose actual pages are zero PR?

they are better than no backlinks at all. they have a little juice to give.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Derrick0408

People rave about these PR packets which is great, but I am confused as to why they do not show for me and wonder if there is any point in placing links on high PR sites whose actual pages are zero PR?

Derrick I won't presume to tell you why they didn't show since I can't attest for all PR packets. All I can tell you is that there is a way to determine which can be crawled and have been crawled. I don't and can't agree that profiles that require login to be seen will be crawled.