Keyword Research Question

yasky · 10-31-2009, 07:59 PM

Im currently doing alot of keywork research for some Adsense pages. I am mainly using Market Samurai. When analyzing the keywords should i be concerned about the "Domain Age" of my competition?

Im finding alot of great potential keywords where the top 10 google results are not optimized for, and do not have a lot of back links to the page, however have a 5 to 10 year age/history....

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

elliot · 10-31-2009, 08:04 PM

I tend to notice that even though the competition has older domains, if they are not optimized for that keyword then I can usually get higher than them in the rankings.

Id much rather them have high domain ages than page rank

TheGodfather · 10-31-2009, 08:07 PM

the domain age means completely nothing... you can get above them easy, just make sure that you have very good optimization i.e. keywords in the meta tags, description, title and urlalso if you build some good backlinks you can overtop them easily

yasky · 10-31-2009, 08:12 PM

Elliot & TheGodfather - Thank you for that !!! You don't know how much better I feel after reading both of your posts....

tresfavian · 10-31-2009, 08:26 PM

How do you know if the keyword is optimized or not in the top ten results and check backlinking for that keyword? If I may ask a noobie question.

TheGodfather · 10-31-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tresfavian

How do you know if the keyword is optimized or not in the top ten results and check backlinking for that keyword? If I may ask a noobie question.

Market samurai tells you some basic on site SEO, like if the keyword appears in the url, meta description and keywords and title.... that should give you enough info on who you are up against.... That's what makes market samurai so great....

tresfavian · 10-31-2009, 08:36 PM

Thanks Godfather, I understand On Page factors what about off page factors?

TheGodfather · 10-31-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tresfavian

Thanks Godfather, I understand On Page factors what about off page factors?

it also tells you the amount of backlinks to the domain as well as to the specific page (if you're competing against a page on a domain).

It also tells you the PR rank and the age of the domain, it also tells you if they are enlisted in dmoz and the paid yahoo directory...

anything else?

Troy_Phillips · 10-31-2009, 08:51 PM

Site age and page rank means very little .

Their number of back links and just as important (if not more)... the amount of keyword rich content on their site is what you have to compete with.

I tackle new niches by really going after the competitions content and keywords while using the same content to build back links .

If age meant a lot those sexy 90's type sites would be all we see on Google one

Troy_Phillips · 10-31-2009, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tresfavian

How do you know if the keyword is optimized or not in the top ten results and check backlinking for that keyword? If I may ask a noobie question.

You can Check back links in google by

link:whateversite.com

Yahoo and MSN require the

link:full site url

You can also check subdomains in the same way

tresfavian · 10-31-2009, 09:00 PM

Okay - BLP the number of external links (on an external site page) pointing to the url with that particular keyword - right.

tresfavian · 10-31-2009, 09:04 PM

Thanks Troy-

Quote:

You can Check back links in google by

link:whateversite.com

Yahoo and MSN require the

link:full site url

You can also check subdomains in the same way

TheGodfather · 10-31-2009, 09:09 PM

there is also the yahoo site search option that market samurai uses....

d13n · 10-31-2009, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

You can Check back links in google by

link:whateversite.com

Yahoo and MSN require the

link:full site url

You can also check subdomains in the same way

good information to check my backlink, thanks

Troy_Phillips · 11-01-2009, 08:28 PM

Edit : My answer should have been formatted links: not link:

bbenson19 · 11-01-2009, 08:36 PM

it has been well known that using link:yoursite.com in google doesn't show all your links. You may want to use yahoo site explorer and enter your url, and also backlinkwatch.com

Troy_Phillips · 11-01-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bbenson19

it has been well known that using link:yoursite.com in google doesn't show all your links. You may want to use yahoo site explorer and enter your url, and also backlinkwatch.com

It shows you all your links in Google .

Do the same search in Yahoo , using your full URL will show you all the links they have indexed .

Same for msn

These searches may not show links for other search engines but if you want to rank in Google the links that Google recognizes are the only ones relevant .

Mohsin Rasool · 11-02-2009, 01:08 AM

I see a domain name with AGE and keyword in the domain is very strong competitor...
if it is a domain name with with no keyword in URL, then age does not matter much...

Kevin Barnes · 11-02-2009, 01:18 AM

When you look at the SEOC Matrix.. Make sure there is no more than 2 sites that red strait across. No mare then 50 BK links, at least 2 with PR 3 or lower, and you are normally safe if the top ten links are all long tail urls, meaning not the main domain.

10-31-2009, 07:59 PM	#1
yasky Active Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Daytona Beach Florida Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking Contact Info	Keyword Research Question Im currently doing alot of keywork research for some Adsense pages. I am mainly using Market Samurai. When analyzing the keywords should i be concerned about the "Domain Age" of my competition? Im finding alot of great potential keywords where the top 10 google results are not optimized for, and do not have a lot of back links to the page, however have a 5 to 10 year age/history.... Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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elliot The Flop Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: CT, USA Posts: 118 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 4 Thanked 25 Times in 10 Posts Social Networking	Re: Keyword Research Question I tend to notice that even though the competition has older domains, if they are not optimized for that keyword then I can usually get higher than them in the rankings. Id much rather them have high domain ages than page rank
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TheGodfather HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 371 Thanks: 52 Thanked 21 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Keyword Research Question the domain age means completely nothing... you can get above them easy, just make sure that you have very good optimization i.e. keywords in the meta tags, description, title and urlalso if you build some good backlinks you can overtop them easily
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10-31-2009, 08:12 PM	#4
yasky Active Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Daytona Beach Florida Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Keyword Research Question Elliot & TheGodfather - Thank you for that !!! You don't know how much better I feel after reading both of your posts....
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tresfavian HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Taos, NM Posts: 184 Thanks: 27 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Keyword Research Question How do you know if the keyword is optimized or not in the top ten results and check backlinking for that keyword? If I may ask a noobie question.

10-31-2009, 08:36 PM	#7
tresfavian HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Taos, NM Posts: 184 Thanks: 27 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Keyword Research Question Thanks Godfather, I understand On Page factors what about off page factors?

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Troy_Phillips Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Ga. Posts: 1,672 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 939 Thanked 505 Times in 325 Posts Social Networking	Re: Keyword Research Question Site age and page rank means very little . Their number of back links and just as important (if not more)... the amount of keyword rich content on their site is what you have to compete with. I tackle new niches by really going after the competitions content and keywords while using the same content to build back links . If age meant a lot those sexy 90's type sites would be all we see on Google one
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10-31-2009, 09:00 PM	#11
tresfavian HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Taos, NM Posts: 184 Thanks: 27 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Keyword Research Question Okay - BLP the number of external links (on an external site page) pointing to the url with that particular keyword - right.

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TheGodfather HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 371 Thanks: 52 Thanked 21 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Keyword Research Question there is also the yahoo site search option that market samurai uses....
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Troy_Phillips Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Ga. Posts: 1,672 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 939 Thanked 505 Times in 325 Posts Social Networking	Re: Keyword Research Question Edit : My answer should have been formatted links: not link:
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bbenson19 Active Warrior Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 75 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Keyword Research Question it has been well known that using link:yoursite.com in google doesn't show all your links. You may want to use yahoo site explorer and enter your url, and also backlinkwatch.com
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Mohsin Rasool Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pakistan Posts: 3,271 Thanks: 361 Thanked 245 Times in 109 Posts Social Networking	Re: Keyword Research Question I see a domain name with AGE and keyword in the domain is very strong competitor... if it is a domain name with with no keyword in URL, then age does not matter much...
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Kevin Barnes Kevin Barnes War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 82 Thanks: 2 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Keyword Research Question When you look at the SEOC Matrix.. Make sure there is no more than 2 sites that red strait across. No mare then 50 BK links, at least 2 with PR 3 or lower, and you are normally safe if the top ten links are all long tail urls, meaning not the main domain.
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