An urgent plea from a family on the brink...

[Rezbi]

Originally Posted by TelegramSam

Ok, but my point is that you do whatever it takes. If sending out 40 applications gets no joy then you do something else.

Now whether that means sending out 400, 4000 or knocking on doors, or asking friends or past associates, or working for nothing on a trial basis or whatever else is needed, is up to you. One basically does whatever it takes until he or she digs themselves out of the hole.

Give up and you just made it slightly easier for someone else.

What if I told you I've been doing all of that, and am still doing all of that?

It's just not the same for everyone. In the past I've worked for nothing just to get experience.

[Rezbi]

Originally Posted by John Cabral

Yes I agree that if I was asking for help I should tell all but I am not and what I detest is when someone who hasn't a clue to what I am doing or going through makes assumptions that I am either lazy or making excuses....

I agree. That's the point I was making in my first post.

[JakeDaly]

Go to crazedlist.org and search the most popular cities for writing jobs. Send personalized e-mails to each potential client, describing exactly how you can satisfy their project, while providing examples of your work. I guarantee you if you send out only 20 e-mails you'd get at least a couple of article writing jobs. Most are willing to pay more than the $5 you're currently offering your services for, too.

[Profit-smart]

Take that $20 and buy a classified ad in your local newspaper.

Headline:

Cash for clunkers!
Miss the deadline?
Get up to $300 for your clunker today!
Working vehicles only, please.

[TelegramSam]

Originally Posted by Rezbi

What if I told you I've been doing all of that, and am still doing all of that?

I would say, good on you for not giving up.

Now, keep on going.

But get clever. Come up with a bright idea about getting a job and give it a go.

Figure out another way.

Get your resume/cv checked out. Does it look ok?

Ring the person who you want to work for.

Chat with them. Find out about the company. Find something that you think you could do that would help them. Investigate their competition and then then ring the company and tell them that you know how the competition is doing something and how you might be able to help them.

Get creative.

Even if it is stacking shelves, go vist 10 stores and see which ones stack the shelves the best and learn from it before you approach a company to get a shelf stacking job.

Tell them and show them your stacking ideas...

Etc... etc...

Sam

[MarkAndrews IMCopywriting]

Originally Posted by John Cabral

Giving up should never be an option until we are 6 ft. under.

Life only begins when you're 6' under,
just not as we know it.

[andrew_writes]

Originally Posted by AnneE

Essence ... battle on. And to all who offered him guidance along the way. Thanks.

Right on, I'm with helping no matter what everyone else believes.

[John Cabral]

Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting

Life only begins when you're 6' under,
just not as we know it.

Good point LOL

[John Cabral]

Originally Posted by andrew_writes

Right on, I'm with helping no matter what everyone else believes.

Andrew I like your stand on things...

[Rezbi]

Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting

Life only begins when you're 6' under,
just not as we know it.

Absolutely.

[discrat]

Yeah, I remember back in Sept. 1998 I was laid off from a sweet job at one of the biggest Waste Disposal Companies in the World. It was an Inside Sales job and I loved it.

When I lost it , I was devastated for a day or so. Then I said the hell with Corporate America.

So I went thru one of those small Biz Opportunitie Mags and found this little Classified Ad.

I inquired to them and they sent me a starters Kit for a nominal amount and gave me Steps on having my own business. Well, it was stenciling in painted Addresss numbers on the Curbs of homeowners. It was so easy to start amd learn and make money almost immediately. I charged $20 for each house number and did up to 40 houses a day. I did this for one complete Year and thats the only thing I did..

After that one year I got into the more lucrative Address Signs for Peoples home. They were ornamental signs that went in your yard and had glowing numbers so 911 could find your house.

Well, I did that for 3.5 years total. Just a one man show run out of my house working my own hours . It was great.

The Company to get the supplies from is still around I suspect.
Its called AddressAmerica.com

Check it out because it worked great for me and I have NEVER worked for anyone since then. Once I got that taste of being self- employed , I never wanted to go back to the MAN. And I NEVER have !!

Cheers !!

[AnneE]

Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting

^ Now, where have I heard that line
before?

Pardon me for saying so Essence but a
lot of people have given you some excellent
advice on this thread.

You asked the initial questions, then when
others help you and give of their time freely
to do so, you take great umbrage at their
remarks or don't even bother to say thank
you to those posters who were just trying
their best to help you out.

Why not show a bit of gratitude to all of
those posters rather than berating them for
the advice given?

Your situation is by no means unique and in
fact you are in a much better position than
a great deal of other people out there, yet
when others try and help you, you throw
their helpful advice back in their faces by
either not responding to them directly or if
you do respond, you do so negatively
towards the very people trying to give
you a hand.

Way back on page one, someone actually
went to the trouble to show you how to get
a buss pass for less than $20 so your wife
could get to her work. What is so difficult
about raising such a miniscule amount of
money when you claim to have the skills
that you have mentioned, in your
possession?

...

Mark Andrews...

Mark,

Are you sure that you haven't confused some other folks postings with Essence's? We've had lots of back and forth between people who said it is easy enough to get a "real job" (not IMing) and others who have said they are full of ..it, but I thought Essence had tried pretty hard to leave the negative folks alone and thank people who offered constructive advice. If you look, you will see he has added thanks to several posts in this thread.

He did agree that the $4K needed for transmission was just his initial panicked reaction and that he could come up with a workable plan and I thought his last post was that he was going to go work that plan.

Speaking of working plans... I should go work my own and stop reading this thread... like watching a tennis game.

[Gail Sober]

Not sure if this is the right place for it or not but since we are kind of on the subject of getting a job, interviewing etc...

A job interview is definitely a place where you have to sell yourself so on that note... a little story.

I'll never forget one of the most important things I've ever learned in regards to sales and it came during an interview and it consisted of only one sentence.

This was some twenty years ago and I was applying for a car sales position.

Now, I've been asked to do something similar to this dozens of times over the years but this was my first. The guy interviewing me said: "Sell me this pencil".

Ok, I've always been pretty quick on my feet and felt pretty confident so I snatched that pencil up and starting hitting every motivational button I could think of.

I went on and on about what a great quality pencil it was, how it was designed to provide you with greater comfort so your hand wouldn't cramp after long periods of writing yet was so affordable you could afford to buy them in bulk and wouldn't be concerned if you misplaced one.

On and on and on.

I thought I really hit it out of the park and I was waiting for him to tell me how impressed he was with my natural born sales ability and he looked at me for a moment and said. "Yes, but what about what I want in a pencil?"

Now, that is almost always my FIRST question. What are YOU looking for in a pencil, employee, (fill in the blank here)?

Once you know the answer to that question, you're more than half way home.

And one more thing. After conducting countless interviews over the years. Let me say that a VERY small percentage of people have great inverview skills. Most are not engaging in the least. This would be the number one area to focus on improvement if you really want to get the job offer.

I would venture a guess and say that everyone on here who is saying they could go out and get a job today is very confident in their interview skills. There is no reason why everyone shouldn't feel that confident and with a little research and practice, could.

P.S. If you have been looking for work for a long period of time and are sure that it is for other reasons than your interviewing skills then please just disregard as it's impossible for me to know each and every persons unique situations.

[Johnny Slater]

You know, I almost remember when I was in my early 20's and thought I knew everything. Man those were the days.

Seriously though,

Until you have walked in someone else's shoes then don't make assumptions that you know their life or what they have done. You just make the old saying about the word assume instantly pop into peoples minds.

When your young everything seems easy. Thats because you really haven't lived yet. I see that most of the ones arguing that getting a job is easy are under 30. That says a lot just by itself.

For those of us who are older things are not as easy as it is for you younger guys. Bosses look for younger employees. All things being equil the younger applicant will always get the job.

Now, I have paid as much as $3k just to get a job, I have driven 400 miles one way to go back and forth to work, I have flown across the country two times a month to have a job, I have litterally dug ditches to have a job, I have destroyed two marriages because of my jobs, I missed 2/3 of my sons short 8 years of life before he died because of my jobs, I have destroyed my body because of jobs, so how dare anyone even hint that if I can't find a job I'm just not trying hard enough.

Unless you know everything about someone's personal situation you have no right to make judgements about how hard they are trying to find a job. Some people in this thread are confusing personal opinion with fact and really need to come back down to earth because they have completely lost their grip on reality.

[dv8]

Wow!! So much whinning in this thread. So many excuses being made.

No one is denying it's tough out there. I have stories I could tell that would reinforce "how bad the economy is and how the world is going to end tomorrow". But I'd rather focus on the other side of things. You know, all of the people here who are successful DESPITE the current state of the economy.

Here's the deal, your thoughts just reinforce your beliefs. So the more you tell yourself how hard it is and how you can't get a job, the harder it becomes to get a job. The is the only job of your subconsious, to prove the beliefs you tell it. Your mind will filter things to fit your belief system. And right now you are telling your subconsious that you can't find job and there are none out there for you. Which is what you'll continue to get. Until you realize this AND change, you'll stay stuck. Some people are addicted to their struggle. As crazy as that sounds.

Fact is, the economy is what it is. You can't change that. Even if you send out another 1000 resumes. Since you can't change it, there is only one thing to left to do, change YOUR thoughts about it.

Sorry John, I'm with Jeremy Kelsall on this one. He doesn't make six figures by making excuses.

As Dan Kennedy says...."You can make money or you can make excuses. But you can't do both".

[Johnny Slater]

He makes the income he makes now because he found a partner who compliments his own strengths. Jeremy and Don work well together and both of them now do 1000 times better than either of them did before they teamed up.

I was there when they met and decided to work together and I have seen their business take off from the beginning so I know that his success now is a direct result of the partnership he has with someone who takes care of many of the things that he normall would have to hire out, although sometimes he does seem to forget that point.

Regardless of that, the amount of money someone makes has no relation to what is being discussed in this thread.

Originally Posted by dv8

Sorry John, I'm with Jeremy Kelsall on this one. He doesn't make six figures by making excuses.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by Johnny Slater

He makes the income he makes now because he found a partner who compliments his own strengths. Jeremy and Don work well together and both of them now do 1000 times better than either of them did before they teamed up.

I was there when they met and decided to work together and I have seen their business take off from the beginning so I know that his success now is a direct result of the partnership he has with someone who takes care of many of the things that he normall would have to hire out, although sometimes he does seem to forget that point.

Regardless of that, the amount of money someone makes has no relation to what is being discussed in this thread.

Actually, I was making 6 figures a year before I ever met Don

Do I make more money now that I know him? Yes I do.

He also did very well before he met me

The amount of money made isn't really the point though...

[andrew_writes]

Originally Posted by John Cabral

Andrew I like your stand on things...

Thanks John,

I don't know Essence personally but I say for right now at least that I'm tired of IM making me feel jaded and suspicious about everybody.

Innocent until proven guilty I say.

He has to prove to me whether he is a sham or not but just for today, I prefer to believe in the angelic in the human soul.

How about that? Believe in your fellow man until your belief is disproved.

[John Cabral]

Originally Posted by dv8

Wow!! So much whinning in this thread. So many excuses being made.

No one is denying it's tough out there. I have stories I could tell that would reinforce "how bad the economy is and how the world is going to end tomorrow". But I'd rather focus on the other side of things. You know, all of the people here who are successful DESPITE the current state of the economy.

Here's the deal, your thoughts just reinforce your beliefs. So the more you tell yourself how hard it is and how you can't get a job, the harder it becomes to get a job. The is the only job of your subconsious, to prove the beliefs you tell it. Your mind will filter things to fit your belief system. And right now you are telling your subconsious that you can't find job and there are none out there for you. Which is what you'll continue to get. Until you realize this AND change, you'll stay stuck. Some people are addicted to their struggle. As crazy as that sounds.

Fact is, the economy is what it is. You can't change that. Even if you send out another 1000 resumes. Since you can't change it, there is only one thing to left to do, change YOUR thoughts about it.

Sorry John, I'm with Jeremy Kelsall on this one. He doesn't make six figures by making excuses.

As Dan Kennedy says...."You can make money or you can make excuses. But you can't do both".

You know what I really could give a horse's $#@ what he thinks about me as he or anyone else is not paying my bills or supporting me till they do I don't give a rats behind.

If Jeremy or anyone for that matter wants to think they know my situation then let them.

As for him making 6 figures I could care less if he made 7 figures. Lots of people make 6 figures or more doing things that I would not stupe to doing so what....

[andrew_writes]

This is getting out of hand I think.

Is there a way to get a moderator to lock this thread or delete it or something?

While it is morbidly interesting to read it is no longer serving a purpose.

[Essence]

(Essence, you...)don't even bother to say thank
you to those posters who were just trying
their best to help you out.

Why not show a bit of gratitude to all of
those posters rather than berating them for
the advice given?

Originally Posted by Essence

I'm absolutley grovelingly grateful for the people who have offered to hire me

Originally Posted by Essence

hat was exactly the kind of 'tool' that I was looking for, and I'm grateful to have it.

Originally Posted by Essence

Thank you, everyone.

Originally Posted by Essence

THAT's the kind of thing I needed. Thank you!

Nuff said.


I'm with Andrew_Writes. This is just inane at this point. Lock?



[edit] I missed this the first time through:

Take that $20 and buy a classified ad in your local newspaper.

Headline:

Cash for clunkers!
Miss the deadline?
Get up to $300 for your clunker today!
Working vehicles only, please.

THAT is a brilliant way to get a car. I'm totally doing to do this. Thank you!![/edit]

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by John Cabral

You know what I really could give a horse's $#@ what he thinks about me as he or anyone else is not paying my bills or supporting me till they do I don't give a rats behind.

If Jeremy or anyone for that matter wants to think they know my situation then let them.

As for him making 6 figures I could care less if he made 7 figures. Lots of people make 6 figures or more doing things that I would not stupe to doing so what....

Now you are just being "dumb"...

First of all, if you have been out of work for over 2 years, there is a very good chance that someone in this thread is paying your bills in one fashion or another.

Don't forget John, that you are the one that started posting about your situation on a public forum...remember that?

We didn't tap into your email or bug your house to find out what was going on...YOU POSTED ABOUT IT...remember?

Wouldn't stoop to the ways I've made 6 figures?

You have a problem selling real estate?

you have a problem with running a credit counseling office?

you have a problem with being a broker for a leasing company?

OR

Do you just take exception to the fact that I can sit my fat ass in a chair at home with my kids and make enough money to provide for myself and my family?

At the end of the day we are different kinds of people...that is brutally honest at this point and that difference has nothing at all to do with how much or how little we have in our bank accounts.

[John Cabral]

Originally Posted by andrew_writes

This is getting out of hand I think.

Is there a way to get a moderator to lock this thread or delete it or something?

While it is morbidly interesting to read it is no longer serving a purpose.

I agree with you 100% this is not serving any purpose anymore.

[John Cabral]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Now you are just being "dumb"...

First of all, if you have been out of work for over 2 years, there is a very good chance that someone in this thread is paying your bills in one fashion or another.

Don't forget John, that you are the one that started posting about your situation on a public forum...remember that?

We didn't tap into your email or bug your house to find out what was going on...YOU POSTED ABOUT IT...remember?

Wouldn't stoop to the ways I've made 6 figures?

You have a problem selling real estate?

you have a problem with running a credit counseling office?

you have a problem with being a broker for a leasing company?

OR

Do you just take exception to the fact that I can sit my fat ass in a chair at home with my kids and make enough money to provide for myself and my family?

At the end of the day we are different kinds of people...that is brutally honest at this point and that difference has nothing at all to do with how much or how little we have in our bank accounts.

You are right I came in saying I have had hard time working over past 2 years not that I haven't worked.

I just take offense when people assume you are lazy or only full of excuses without all the facts.

As for stoop comment that was not meant to be directed at you personally.

I am glad you are where you are and that you can stay home and do all sorts of things that most can't. My hat off to you.

I have no problem how you or anyone makes their money. You do what you do and lets you sleep at night.

But I will not sit back and let a total stranger tell me what I am or am not doing when they don't have all the facts straight.

[tryinhere]

@ Mr Essence, my old bones tell me this was always going to play out like this, so o need to stress it.

More so is this, regardless of what you have or have not read , or got help from here I will promise you this after years of helping people in similar positions.

It Will not matter what is written here, It will not matter what help is or is not offered here, it will not matter if every person here come and held your hand or not, or any other factor in relation to this post or offers to this point.

The simple truth is this your situation will not change, it remain in the same state as it is now regardless of any help offered, yes there might be a small ray of sunshine but soon after the spotlight has gone the grey clouds will form again.

However there is some very good news for you based on my travels and it is this, you entire circumstances can change and they can change quickly.

The only requirement to making this happen is however the most difficult thing that you will ever do and as such it is very rare that it happens, you may be lucky.

The simple answer is this, the only person who can help you is you, not any person on this forum nor anywhere, yes others can offer support and timely advice but unless you and you alone make a decision that from today you will turn your own life around and then you commit to that decision in regards no matter what it takes you will not look back, then and only then will you start to walk forward.

as a person thinks so are they, and you have the power to choose what you think and in essence your decision now will form your thinking and such your future outcome.

[andrew_writes]

Originally Posted by tryinhere

@ Mr Essence, my old bones tell me this was always going to play out like this, so o need to stress it.

More so is this, regardless of what you have or have not read , or got help from here I will promise you this after years of helping people in similar positions.

It Will not matter what is written here, It will not matter what help is or is not offered here, it will not matter if every person here come and held your hand or not, or any other factor in relation to this post or offers to this point.

The simple truth is this your situation will not change, it remain in the same state as it is now regardless of any help offered, yes there might be a small ray of sunshine but soon after the spotlight has gone the grey clouds will form again.

However there is some very good news for you based on my travels and it is this, you entire circumstances can change and they can change quickly.

The only requirement to making this happen is however the most difficult thing that you will ever do and as such it is very rare that it happens, you may be lucky.

The simple answer is this, the only person who can help you is you, not any person on this forum nor anywhere, yes others can offer support and timely advice but unless you and you alone make a decision that from today you will turn your own life around and then you commit to that decision in regards no matter what it takes you will not look back, then and only then will you start to walk forward.

as a person thinks so are they, and you have the power to choose what you think and in essence your decision now will form your thinking and such your future outcome.

Nice One Big Guy..

BTW,

Check this funny thread and help out, its corny as h#ll

Warriors - the worst site ever - can you help me build it?

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by John Cabral

You are right I came in saying I have had hard time working over past 2 years not that I haven't worked.

I just take offense when people assume you are lazy or only full of excuses without all the facts.

As for stoop comment that was not meant to be directed at you personally.

I am glad you are where you are and that you can stay home and do all sorts of things that most can't. My hat off to you.

I have no problem how you or anyone makes their money. You do what you do and lets you sleep at night.

But I will not sit back and let a total stranger tell me what I am or am not doing when they don't have all the facts straight.

Just so you know - nothing that I typed was meant to be personal towards you...

I was just "in the discussion" sharing my experiences with the job market the same as you were...Because our thought processes were different, it might have appeared personal - but, it wasn't.

It was only like 4.5 years ago give or take a few months that I was evicted from a house I was renting...right after my son was born because at the time i was struggling...so, it's not like I've ALWAYS done well.

A couple of months before that, my Jeep was repo'd...

My wife was still on maternity leave and I was out of work for a medical reason...

I definitely know what it feels like to go to bed at night and think to myself "THIS SUCKS"...

I was only trying to show that their was another side to the coin as I guess you were as well. In any case, I hope things turn around for you and if I can help at all, drop me a line.

Jeremy

[AmyBrown]

As usual lots of advice given and little to no indication that any of it will be implemented. Perhaps someday someone will post back that they actually tried one of the suggestions, followed through to completion and either were or were not successful.

[John Cabral]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Just so you know - nothing that I typed was meant to be personal towards you...

I was just "in the discussion" sharing my experiences with the job market the same as you were...Because our thought processes were different, it might have appeared personal - but, it wasn't.

It was only like 4.5 years ago give or take a few months that I was evicted from a house I was renting...right after my son was born because at the time i was struggling...so, it's not like I've ALWAYS done well.

A couple of months before that, my Jeep was repo'd...

I definitely know what it feels like to go to bed at night and think to myself "THIS SUCKS"...

I was only trying to show that their was another side to the coin as I guess you were as well. In any case, I hope things turn around for you and if I can help at all, drop me a line.

Jeremy

Hey Jeremy,

Same as with me, I have no hard feeling towards you or any warrior and I guess this post touched a sensitive spot with me.

I guess with me was the fact that I worked hard to get to where I was at to now struggling to find a job because of my experience level and being a single dad.

Anyways I am glad you picked yourself up and are doing so well.

AS I said I would prefer to be taught how to fish then given a fish.

IM is not my forte and never has been but I have always wanted to succeed and like you have the luxury of working from home and spending more time with my son rather than working 60 hours a week making someone else rich.


No hard feelings on my end and I am always greatful for help with IM or partnering up with a mentor.

John

[Marhelper]

Very cool. It is refreshing to hear the voice of grace rather than judgmentalism.

Originally Posted by Ken Leatherman

Hey Folks,

I don't know Michael, but never the less here goes...

You know there are some really great ideas here and then there are a few, which imply Michael is not doing the best he can. We don't know all his circumstances which have him staying at home and working his IM business.

I took the time and checked out his signature file for his classified ad. Then I went over to his profile in Ezine Articles, checked it out and read several of his articles. Here's his stats:

Michael can write and there is no question about it. It's obvious to me he knows his keyword research, (8,490 view) his articles contain fresh helpful information (which means he knows how to research his topic) and he writes a mean resource box.

I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and hire him for a special project. I know he may still be asleep as it's only 6:17 A.M. his time but it will be there when he wakes up. O.K. now I'm off to P.M. him.

Have a great day everybody.

Ken Leatherman
The Old Geezer


P.S. Some will say I'm just a bleeding heart. So be it! I think it's just the right thing to do.

[da1fitz]

There seems to have been a number of comments within this thread that came from people who have been on the zero income line before and have perhaps fallen on their feet later and forgotten how bad this can look.

Also there have been a number of comments from others who genuinely have been there and found themselves back in the good eg home and lifestyle etc.

Top advice from the warrior who says in Douglas Adams most famous quote "Don't Panic" because at the Panic point your either going to lose everything, or do what needs to be done and be back on top again within the next year or so....

Good luck mate - take option 2 and you'll be back where you want to be in no time

[Ken Leatherman]

Just to let you folks know that Essence has mentioned several times he is taking action on several of the suggestions made. Now I'm not answering for him. I'm answering for myself.

I talked with him yesterday and we have taken on a special project together. He is putting to work one of his outstanding strengths, which he is going to be able to help me out and provide himself with some long term income. and if everything works right he will start seeing that income within just a few short days.

Lighten up folks. This thread has taken on a life of it's own and frankly I honestly believe the mods, should lock it down, so it will die a natural death. IMNSHO!

Ken Leatherman
The Old Geezer

[John Cabral]

Originally Posted by Ken Leatherman

Just to let you folks know that Essence has mentioned several times he is taking action on several of the suggestions made. Now I'm not answering for him. I'm answering for myself.

I talked with him yesterday and we have taken on a special project together. He is putting to work one of his outstanding strengths, which he is going to be able to help me out and provide himself with some long term income. and if everything works right he will start seeing that income within just a few short days.

Lighten up folks. This thread has taken on a life of it's own and frankly I honestly believe the mods, should lock it down, so it will die a natural death. IMNSHO!

Ken Leatherman
The Old Geezer

I already asked Ken to close or delete it.

[Essence]

As usual lots of advice given and little to no indication that any of it will be implemented.

Originally Posted by Essence

The idea of getting an old beater is a good one; I'm totally going to do that.

Originally Posted by Essence

I think that may be a workable plan. Are there any decent (free) tools/scripts you're familiar with for setting up a membership site? I'm afraid I don't have the programming skills to put anything together like that on my own...

Originally Posted by Essence

Hotftuna, I've been asleep. I just PMed you.

Originally Posted by Essence

I'm absolutley grovelingly grateful for the people who have offered to hire me, and I will absolutley work like a champion for them, because those extra customers will give me the money I need to start working on a project like the membership site described in the beginning of this thread.

Originally Posted by Essence

With the help and ideas of the people here, I've had a revelation about how to get money 'up front' for a long-term commitment (the PLR subscription site concept), and with it, I'm going to work on getting enough cash to pay for a clunker until I can save up enough to get our minivan working again.

Originally Posted by Essence

I am going to take complete advantage of both the knowledge and the generous offers of work that this thread has given me. We'll have an old clunker soon, and a repaired van a few weeks after that.

Originally Posted by Essence

I'm being considered for a position at 1ArticleADay.com (thanks to Ken Leatherman again.)

Originally Posted by Essence

THAT is a brilliant way to get a car. I'm totally doing to do this.

Seriously.

[Phil Leotardo]

I just hope, for the poster's sake, this is the last thread he starts boo hooing about his financial situation. Getting mentors and business for pity's sake isn't going to help him in the short or long run.

I know he has back peddled and said that he was just looking for ideas, but he's only fooling himself with that nonsense. I personally think he was fishing for $4000 in contributions coming his way for a $4000 transmission that probably cost only about half that. That's the way I read his story.

[AmyBrown]

Essence - Yes, your problem is apparently solved, for now at least. You posted a tale of woe and have been rewarded for it by having your WSO or classified highlighted and Ken graciously offered you an opportunity.

Unfortunately all anyone else in a similar situation can learn from it is to post their story and hope for the same. I had higher hopes for the thread but then I always do.

[avenuegirl]

In advance, sorry Ken

Originally Posted by Essence

If you were me -- no money, all time, and with a specific, definite one-time goal of $4000 -- needed literally in the next week -- what would you do?

I am willing and able to put in 12-16 hour days for the next week if that's what it takes. I just need the right direction. Is there someone who has an idea -- any functional idea -- of how I can get us back to function?

(Feel free to PM, Email, or Skype me (Arananthi) if you have input you're not comfortable sharing with everyone.)

I don't get how so many people just blew over this part of your original post. You were not asking for charity. And you mention that you don't make a lot - but that was not the issue. You happened upon an unplanned for unexpected expense.

Have I done that myself? Hell yes! You found yourself in a pickle, and it just happens sometimes.

I applaud those who gave advice that would reduce the need for the $4,000 by seeking alternative ways to deal with the transportation issue.

And in a later post, you revealed your current way to make money via working as a freelancer. Is freelancing really work? YES. You are making an online income - irregardless of what anyone else says. Could you make more doing that? Is there a way to improve? That is another thing, and perhaps you will want to look into that in the future.

This is just the same as if you had a job already, and were looking for another job or way to earn some extra money for an unexpected expense.

This is not the regular tale of woe that we see. This is someone who has been putting in an effort and has not given up.

Ken actually went to look and find his prior work. And you know what? It was there!

I will agree with most here that I don't want to see a constant flood of "I am desperate and need money" threads - but I personally did not see this particular one like the majority that find themselves in a hole and are looking for a plate of cash in order to escape "working" all together.

He just wanted to get his wife to her new job, and keep moving along.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Jill,

I don't think many people "missed" that part of it...

I think that many people took offense because the same guy that has WSO with payment buttons intact for how to make money products was saying....well, he didn't know how to make money...

I don't have any problem with Essence and I think it is admirable that he is doing what he needs to do to make the cash he needs, but what about the folks that have laid their money down for his make money systems that apparently don't work?

On that note, I'll be making my exit from this thread.

[Essence]

Amy, no offense intended, but you have absolutely no idea what's going on behind-the-scenes in PMs and Email. I've been generously offered a few opportunities from people like Andrew_Writes, cma_01, Ken Leatherman, and people who wanted to take advantage of my article writing skills.

ALL of these opportunities require real, honest work on my part.

ONE person offered me a direct donation, and I turned it down because I'm not a hypocrite and I said up front that I wasn't looking for one.

NONE of these people "solved my problem". Cma_01 is helping me implement the solution that I said I was going to pursue on the first page of the thread, but even that offer is going to require a lot of work on my part. Andrew_Writes offered me a solid alternative plan, which I am also going to take advantage of, but it is also not without some serious effort on my part. Ken Leatherman didn't so much offer me something to help with this problem, but rather saw potential in me -- enough that he believes he can profit by adding me to his team. That's just plain capitalism.


What exactly were your "high hopes" for this thread? That I would be told collectively be everyone to sod off, and then I'd buckle down and either disappear or solve my own problem without any outside assistance?

Because the fact that you're actively upset that I got help when I asked for it seems to provide for few other "hopes".

Yes, I benefited because I posted this thread. I'm not ashamed of that, and no amount of collective eye-rolling on the part of several of the posters here is going to change that. I did not post with the intention of recieving the blessings that I recieved. I posted with a simple question, which was answered to my satisfaction on the first page, and I said so.

Originally Posted by Essence

I think that may be a workable plan.

Everything that's happened since then has been beyond the scope of the original post, unintended by me, and those parts that have been beneficial, I have and will continue to unabashedly take advantage of. On the other hand, I've been bashed, my integrity called into question, called names, and even threatened. My reputation on this board is seriously damaged as a result of some of the posts that people have made. I'm going to deal with that; I earned it by making the OP in the first place.

But it's completely bulls*** of you to act like I'm getting something for nothing, or that I should turn down the offers of the people who are giving me a chance to work.



[edit]

Originally Posted by Jeremy

I think that many people took offense because the same guy that has WSO with payment buttons intact for how to make money products was saying....well, he didn't know how to make money...

I don't have any problem with Essence and I think it is admirable that he is doing what he needs to do to make the cash he needs, but what about the folks that have laid their money down for his make money systems that apparently don't work?

Once more, with feeling:

I had a site that was making money. I had performed a few tricks to get the money to create that site, because I was literally dead broke when I started. I posted some WSOs about those tricks. BOTH of them specifically talk about startup money, which I know how to acquire. BOTH tricks are more-or-less one-time tricks. BOTH WSOS point to the "Conduit Method" as a path to take once you have your startup money, because it worked for me.

My website failed for UNKNOWN REASONS that have nothing to do with a failure to get traffic. My coversions literally plummeted from 3% to 0% overnight, with no cause that I have ever been able to determine.

The WSOs work as advertised. They are absolutely not scams or junk. They are cheap, and quick-and-dirty, because people who need startup money can't afford anything better -- but they ABSOLUTELY DO THEIR JOBS.

The fact that my website had a completely causeless failure has nothing whatsoever to do with the stratgies the WSOs employ, which are still totally valid and I stand by them.

They are not ripoffs; I am not a scammer, nor lazy, shiftless, irresponsible, incompetent, or stupid.

And that's the [edit]second-to[/edit] last time I'm posting here in response to the eye-rollers. I'm wasting too much time doing it, and I know it. I'm just seeing too much red here to keep working effectively without spending a few minutes to vent.

[Allen Graves]

Yea - that's pretty low.

Just wondering if the unemployed have gone out to the local mall, fast food restaurants, grocery stores, toy stores, retail shops.

I was out on the road today and I saw a LOT of seasonal help wantred signs up at the mall and at our local Hungrie Howie's Pizza. I literally saw about 10 - 12 help wanted signs.

Funny how you notice these things when you never would have given it a second thought otherwise.

While they were obviously hiring for Christmas rush, it's a job. A job is a job.

And before anyone says they can't get those jobs for whatever reason (excuse) - have you tried yet? Have you gone and filled out their applications? Or have you been posting on a forum and sleeping?

When I was at PetSmart today getting some clipper blades for my mini-schnauzers, I saw a man that must have been 50 or 55 years old stocking cat food on the shelves. Why can't that be you? He obviously tried and it worked for him.

And here in Florida, the unemployment rate is still going UP!!!!!

I still don't get it guys. Maybe I'm just blinded by something.

Allen

[AmyBrown]

I'm not upset in the least. My hope was that ideas could be generated and results reported so that others in the same situation could benefit from the collective knowledge.

Your decision to include the background info in lieu of simply asking how to increase your earnings from freelancing is what lead to any controversy, but it seems to have worked in your favor. It's unfortunate that for whatever reason you didn't think you could get the help you needed here by simply asking for help with your business.

[Essence]

Amy, the help that I needed wasn't "improve my profits". Making my business better simply wouldn't have accomplished the goal. I had a speciifc, seemingly-unattainable goal, and in fact, I did get several ideas on how to accomplish it. I posted the background because I knew that it would help people understand why I had this blistering goal set for myself -- without which, I would look like another slacker who wanted instant money with no work.

The fact that a lot of people saw me in that light regardless speaks to something, but I'm not sure I can put it into words.

Regardless, I'm pursuing a few of the proferred solutions at once. My big concern now is not how I will achieve my goal, but rather if I can actually stay organized and focused enough to keep up with Andrew_Writes, Cma_01, and Ken Leatherman at the same time while also writing the article requests that I've recieved since this thread came into being.

As each one comes to fruition, I'll be happy to post the results. If something works well, I absolutely hope that other people who find themselves in a similar situation can benefit.

[Cash37]

Sell everything you dont need on Craigslist

[Karen Blundell]

Originally Posted by andrew_writes

snipped to here: I prefer to believe in the angelic in the human soul.

How about that? Believe in your fellow man until your belief is disproved.

Andrew, you sound like a lightworker...I love it!

I happen to agree with you.

[erinwrites]

This thread is like reading a bus wreck (I wanted to say train or car, but I used those up in PMs). Every time I think I've reached the end, more posts keep popping up.

Essence, I'm glad that people are so happy to help you. For me that is sort of what a good forum is: a community that a person can come to when they are panicking and say "help!" and get it, even if it comes with some criticism and judgment. I know that I've gotten a bunch of ideas for the next time my own business hits a lull or I have an unexplained emergency pop up (and especially about the outrageous prices of transmission replacements, egad!).

As far as people finding work goes, I think it is a little bit hypocritical of people who have enough time to read through this whollllllllllle thread (and continue contributing to it) to bust the chops of people whose luck isn't so great and say things like "why are you reading this instead of going out there to find work?" Why are you continuing to read this instead of continuing to kick ass at the job you already have?

Can't we all just agree that what works for some people does not work for others and that it is pretty awesome that so many warriors stepped up to help out when one of our fellow board members asked for it (regardless of the circumstances)?

Alternatively, can we please move the bickering to a new thread? Because while I do sometimes enjoy some drama once in a great while, I prefer to get it in the form of prime time television

[Michael Mayo]

Hi Essence,

Hope all is going better and you reach your goal.

I've been in dire straights before so I can understand where your Op came from.

A while back I was in a situation where I needed money for a matter
that I didn't want to disclose here on the forum. I PMed a few Senior Warriors
and they were kind enough to give me their advise.

At the time I was so confused that I couldn't see the forest for the trees.

Paul Myers was one of the Senior Warriors I had contacted and his Helpful
knowledge pointed me in the direction that I needed to go.

The next thing I did was to Take Action and the result was beyond my
wildest beliefs. With in 1st day I reached my goal.

The next day was even better. I more than doubled my goal and it kept
coming. When every thing was said and done I had earned 7 times what I
needed and even hired 4-5 Warriors to help me get the jobs done.

The point of my post is for you to maintain your positive out look and to
keep you head up. Sh!t happens and some times it catches us when we
least expect it.

Ken and other Warriors have offered to take you in, offer you advise
and you have offered your services in exchange. Win, Win!

Remember to block the negative and focus only on the positive. Time is
limited and you have a goal to reach.

Have a Great Day!
Michael

PS. In reference to my post above.
Here is the thread I started after receiving Paul's advise here on the WF.
Paul Myers - Thank you! My Goal is 2k in 2days! ***Mission Completed***

PPS. Here is another thread where I was terrified and needed advise from Warriors.
This one worked it's self out too!
I'm in Kentucky and I Wasn't prepared for Ike's wrath. I embarrassed and need Help!
Warriors showed their ture nature in this thread and I thank them for that!

[scarface]

Gail, this is the place for that. I have taught direct salespeople and now IM for 30 years altogether. The hardest idea to get through someone's head whether they are selling a product or themselves is to find out what the other person wants, not what you want to sell.

They are thinking about themselves 97% of the time even when they pretend to be listening to you, use that to your advantage in the interview and you will be head and shoulders above the rest!

Originally Posted by Gail Sober

"Yes, but what about what I want in a pencil?"

[DonDavis]

I can't help but wonder why some of these charity posts get reactions like the ones here, and others are full of people posting that they have donated to the person in need.

I remember one a while back that needed money to get home after traveling abroad? That didn't seem like a charitable cause to me, but yet people were donating hand over fist.

I really don't think these charity type threads belong here, but that's just my opinion of course.

[Michael Mayo]

Hi Don,
To answer your question,
Some people on the Warrior Forum have become friends and friends tend
to help friends.

Also the fact that some people contribute with out gaining any thing in
return makes them easy to trust. So, when they have a problem it comes
back to them in their time of need. Some call it Karma and some call it
divine intervention. What it is doesn't matter. What matters is networking
in a way that compliments every one and builds friendships/relationships.

Hope that makes sense.
Have to get back to my Birthday Party now.

Have a Great Day!
Michael

Originally Posted by DonDavis

I can't help but wonder why some of these charity posts get reactions like the ones here, and others are full of people posting that they have donated to the person in need.

I remember one a while back that needed money to get home after traveling abroad? That didn't seem like a charitable cause to me, but yet people were donating hand over fist.

I really don't think these charity type threads belong here, but that's just my opinion of course.

[Todd Lamb]

Originally Posted by John Taylor

I'd question and challenge the guy that told you it
would cost $4k and I'd go to at least two other
places to get a better price. $4k is totally unrealistic.

I'd look around my house to see what I have of value
that I could sell to raise some seed money.

I'd get out into my immediate neighbourhood and I'd
offer to do any task I could to raise extra cash.

I'd call on local businesses and offer to help them to
get online, improve the effectiveness of their existing
websites or to increase the SE Ranking.

John

Precisely... very well put. 12-16 hrs a day is only going to start to reap you benefits 30 to 60 days from now...but having said that it is time well spent.

You must start working the system a bit. You could realistically defer many of your expenses for 6 to 12 months. Very few organizations have the systems in place to force collection of debt of any kind. Make a phone call and put the pressure back on them..people respond. Tell them your situation be honest and advise them of your plan to get back on your feet..they will respond and you can get your feet under you.

Its OK to be in a bind and there are very few who have never had to lean on someone for assistance, don't let this cause you any anxiety, work the system against itself and work to get back on your feet.

There is no real magic bullet...just don't be discouraged.

tl