If you woke up tomorrow and found yourself flat broke...

[bingitbaby]

Hello Fellow Warriors,

Just curious...

There was an fake article going around quite a few years ago that said a talk show host asked Donald Trump what he would do if he lost all of his money and had to start over with nothing (it was said he would get into MLM). After finding this forum and reading tons of threads I see everyone here is the best of the best and I would like to ask the same question of you.

At least I know this wouldn't be fake.

"So, If any of you were to get out of bed tomorrow and find yourself completely broke with no means of borrowing money, what is the first thing you would do to make money? Keep in mind, you would still have power, food, heat, internet, a computer and a roof over your head for 1 month. (You would not have any access to your previous money making sites)"

Please take this serious, I feel that the answers to this question could really help those in this forum who really do not know where to start.

Thank You So Much For Taking The Time To Answer.

John Long

[Charles Montgomery]

Of course the first thing...

Start writing articles. Visit every webmaster forum and freelance site. Register, contribute, get clients.

From there, I would start building niche sites and selling them.

Once I got a portflio and a few dollars back in my bank account, I would then start marketing my writing services creatively. I would start offering my writing services as ebook writing and salespage writing, so I could get larger chunks of income at a time.

I guess the key factor is time. How fast can you write to keep from getting backlogged.

[bingitbaby]

Thanks Charles,

It's nice to see one person here kind enough to share.
Thanks a million brother.

John Long

[sahi]

Apart from article writing services, I would also offer and do other IM services like link building, backlinks, lens creation, hubpages and other social site pages creation, submission services of articles, sites, etc.

[Kevin Williams]

I would immediately start with article writing. Can make great money doing that, but you burn out eventually. When I burn out of that I'll switch over to backlinking and yahoo! answering for Clickbank products. Then back to article writing, and back, etc.

[Mona Jensen]

Hi,

Thanks for interesting info - I had never guessed that articles would be no. 1

More suggestions? What about affiliate marketing? - there are lot of free advertising pages so that could be done with no cost.

Mona Kristin

[erinwrites]

This situation is me every month after I pay my bills! (Darn debt!) What I usually do is spend half my day putting together article packs and half my day applying for jobs and contacting previous clients to see if they have any projects coming up. After a little bit the business builds back up again.

Incidentally, eBay and selling stuff on Craigslist as well as taking on day labor jobs (passing out flyers, etc) is another option.

[mywebwork]

Hi John

If I didn't already own a copy of Camtasia I'd download the free trial copy. I'd then use it to create some instructional videos in a niche that I have expertise in. Add Open Office and create a complementary e-book. Create a whole package out of it.

I'd then post a link for the package in my forum signature (this and other IM forums) . Once that resulted in a few sales I'd use 20 dollars of the cash to post a WSO - if the package was of any value I may even be fortunate enough to have some testimonials from my initial sales to make my WSO more attractive.

Bill

[joshril]

It hasn't been mentioned yet, so I'll add my $.02.

I think one of the best ways to leverage your time is to offer online marketing services of any kind to offline business owners. It's arbitrage at it's finest.

A service that is as simple as installing a Wordpress blog to most of us with IM experience could be worth several hundred to over $1,000 for many offline business owners. This could be outsourced for pennies compared to what a business owner with no IM background would value this service if explained correctly...

Obviously, this is just one example of hundreds, and in my opinion is one of the fastest ways to put cash in your pocket.

[Dave777]

Scan, research, borrow and "twist" endless Golden nuggets throughout the warrior forum! Current, archives etc. etc...

Quick examples... Get a shovel and Dig...
A Quick Way to Put $1,000 into Your Paypal Account
The Warrior Forum

Dave

[George Wright]

Here is what I would do.

First I'd build "momentum." I can work mad, I can work sad and I can work glad but I can't work hungry so first things first.

I'd walk about two blocks to a business area and walk into the first business and say to the owner, "I'll build you a website for $300." If he said no I'd say, "How about $200?" If he said no I'd say, "How about $100." By now we would both be laughing and before I left I'd have some money in my pocket.

Now off to Denny's, Norms or IHop for a BIG breakfast and a pot of coffee.

From there I'd walk into every business and repeat what I did this morning. The only difference would be that I wouldn't settle for less than $300 with half down and half whenever.

At lunch time I'd go to a mom and pop restaurant and eat a nice lunch and leave a BIG tip in plain view on the table as I asked to speak to the owner. The owner would come over and I'd tell him. "Your food is so good I want to give your restaurant a place of honor on my restaurant guide on the Internet. I'd walk out with that deposit and spend the rest of the day selling til dinner time.

I'd be so far away from home by now I would pay to ride the bus home. Stopping off at the local market I'd buy some beer and salty snacks and stay up all night building websites.

In a couple of days I'd return to all the people I sold to and collect the rest of my money.

Now I would write a WSO on "How To Pull Money Out Of Thin Air" Outlining how I started selling to offline businesses and make another quick thousand or two.

Oh wait. That's not what I "would do." That's what I did. Rinse & Repeat.

George Wright

[joshril]

I love this post! This is the perfect example of activity breeding success!

Originally Posted by George Wright

Here is what I would do.

First I'd build "momentum." I can work mad, I can work sad and I can work glad but I can't work hungry so first things first.

I'd walk about two blocks to a business area and walk into the first business and say to the owner, "I'll build you a website for $300." If he said no I'd say, "How about $200?" If he said no I'd say, "How about $100." By now we would both be laughing and before I left I'd have some money in my pocket.

Now off to Denny's, Norms or IHop for a BIG breakfast and a pot of coffee.

From there I'd walk into every business and repeat what I did this morning. The only difference would be that I wouldn't settle for less than $300 with half down and half whenever.

At lunch time I'd go to a mom and pop restaurant and eat a nice lunch and leave a BIG tip in plain view on the table as I asked to speak to the owner. The owner would come over and I'd tell him. "Your food is so good I want to give your restaurant a place of honor on my restaurant guide on the Internet. I'd walk out with that deposit and spend the rest of the day selling til dinner time.

I'd be so far away from home by now I would pay to ride the bus home. Stopping off at the local market I'd buy some beer and salty snacks and stay up all night building websites.

In a couple of days I'd return to all the people I sold to and collect the rest of my money.

Now I would write a WSO on "How To Pull Money Out Of Thin Air" Outlining how I started selling to offline businesses and make another quick thousand or two.

Oh wait. That's not what I "would do." That's what I did. Rinse & Repeat.

George Wright

[bingitbaby]

Yes!!!

I knew you guys were out there. I knew you wouldn't let me down! This is awesome stuff!! This is what people need to read for help. Let's see more of the same here! The Warriors Of Warrior Forum are TRUE helpers not just sellers!!

Thanks A Million To Everyone Who Has Posted and Those Of You About To Post!

John Long

P.S. George, you inspire me... I Loved The Story.
Thanks

[JohnMcCabe]

Only semi-tongue-in-cheek, and not aimed at the OP...

1. I'd go to an active forum like the WF. I'd ask everybody to contribute their best "gun to the head" make money plans.

2. While I was waiting for the ideas to pile up, I'd write enough articles for hire to buy a merchant account at Clickbank.

3. When I had enough ideas from the forum(s) I posted to asking for ideas, I'd compile them into a nice ebook.

4. I'd put it up for sale at Clickbank, and spend my time looking for places to plug it.

5. Once I'd made a few sales, I'd write another ebook explaining the process above.

6. Put that on Clickbank, and follow it up with a WSO with a nice discount.

7. By now, I have the beginnings of a list of buyers. Since you didn't say I had to give up my previous learning, I know that most of the people who buy either of my ebooks won't actually follow through. So I'll go back to Clickbank and find more ebooks on "gun to the head" money making, and promote those to the list I'm building.

8. Add promotions for tools, courses, etc. and really serve the info collector niche of IM.

9. Buy the house I took the mansion shot of for my sales letters...

[MichaelHiles]

I'd put on my fuzzy purple hat and go hang out at the bus station and try to find some young ladies looking for their dreams in the big city...

Seriously... I'd cover the bases however I could. No extras. Bare minimums.

I'd look for ways to create partnerships between the people I know. JV here or there.

[CherylJohnson]

Originally Posted by George Wright

Here is what I would do.

First I'd build "momentum." I can work mad, I can work sad and I can work glad but I can't work hungry so first things first.

I'd walk about two blocks to a business area and walk into the first business and say to the owner, "I'll build you a website for $300." If he said no I'd say, "How about $200?" If he said no I'd say, "How about $100." By now we would both be laughing and before I left I'd have some money in my pocket.

Now off to Denny's, Norms or IHop for a BIG breakfast and a pot of coffee.

From there I'd walk into every business and repeat what I did this morning. The only difference would be that I wouldn't settle for less than $300 with half down and half whenever.

At lunch time I'd go to a mom and pop restaurant and eat a nice lunch and leave a BIG tip in plain view on the table as I asked to speak to the owner. The owner would come over and I'd tell him. "Your food is so good I want to give your restaurant a place of honor on my restaurant guide on the Internet. I'd walk out with that deposit and spend the rest of the day selling til dinner time.

I'd be so far away from home by now I would pay to ride the bus home. Stopping off at the local market I'd buy some beer and salty snacks and stay up all night building websites.

In a couple of days I'd return to all the people I sold to and collect the rest of my money.

Now I would write a WSO on "How To Pull Money Out Of Thin Air" Outlining how I started selling to offline businesses and make another quick thousand or two.

Oh wait. That's not what I "would do." That's what I did. Rinse & Repeat.

George Wright

That's the type of innovation I look for in this forum...you go boy!

[jimmyab]

"Think & grow rich" Wealth is not made - it's created! So whatever you put your mind to - so will it be, if you think it through first.

Time is the greatest asset anyone has...cos if you use it wisely, learn, watch and understand - you can create anything...including wealth.

So spend the first week thinking, planning, observing and understanding how & what others do...then go create it!

[networkmemetics]

If I had ZERO dollars tomorrow....I would start by posting on forums and looking for work writing articles. I would charge a teaser rate to get clients and set a minimum per order...so that I connect with people who have money to spend, but who are looking for a deal.

I'd work from a library...quiet focus, and lots of research material.

30 article a day at $4 each every day of the month is $3600. You would work your ass off, and be burnt out, but you would be creating your own reality.

[Jason Moffatt]

I'd grab a piece of paper and a number 2 pencil and get to work.

[bluelambda]

If this happened to me, I would get a real offline job first and get some nice cashflow going to get myself out of the "desperate" mindset.

I would pump a portion of this money into my (new) online business.

Because let's face it, it takes time to succeed on the internet if you were to start from scratch. Some cash would help it along nicely.

[lakshaybehl]

I'd find my self an ad-space selling job.

"How would anyone know who you are? We have to put you everywhere."

;-)

-Lakshay

[Jay Jennings]

It's The Return of Joe Kumar!

For those of you young'uns, this was his pitch:

You suddenly lose all your money, along with your name and reputation, and only have your marketing know-how left.

You have bills piled high and people harassing you for money over the phone.

Plus, you have a guaranteed roof over your head, a phone line, and an internet connection for only one month.

You no longer have your big guru name or JV partners. Other than your vast marketing experience, you're an unknown newbie.

What would you do, from day 1 to day 30, to save yourself?

His ebook was filled with words of wisdom from 50 fairly well known marketers.

He pulled some BIG bucks out of that premise...

...but he's not around anymore. And that's a story for another time around the campfire. =;)

Jay Jennings

[paulie888]

Write articles, try to sell them by going to the forums and freelance sites (assuming I'm starting completely from scratch). Another thing I would do is try to drive as much free traffic as I could using twitter, social media, etc. to instant commission programs that pay straight to my paypal account. This way I'd hopefully have two streams of income flowing in that I can access pretty much immediately.

I'd concentrate on those two things like crazy until I had built up a buffer, and then move on to longer term IM projects like listbuilding, product creation, etc.

Paul

[Paxton]

sell my body to science fiction

[Vikuna2009+]

Originally Posted by Paxton

sell my body to science fiction

For them to do WHAT to you and would you ever come back out???

[majidmaskat]

there would be very hard actions taken, i would not worry however becasue obviously there is a reason behind this thus i will stay calm and get things started again

[Michael Worthington]

Originally Posted by mywebwork

Hi John

If I didn't already own a copy of Camtasia I'd download the free trial copy. I'd then use it to create some instructional videos in a niche that I have expertise in. Add Open Office and create a complementary e-book. Create a whole package out of it.

I'd then post a link for the package in my forum signature (this and other IM forums) . Once that resulted in a few sales I'd use 20 dollars of the cash to post a WSO - if the package was of any value I may even be fortunate enough to have some testimonials from my initial sales to make my WSO more attractive.

Bill

This is exactly the way I made my first dollars online.

I downloaded the trial version of Camtasia.

Then I spent about 2 days making some tutorial
videos on how to build basic sales page sites in
Dreamweaver.

Back then it was free to run a WSO, so I posted
the videos for 10 bucks here. At the end of the
day I had almost $500.

That gave me enough confidence that I actually
could make money online that I went on to build
the second known video tutorial site that I know of.

Louis Allport had the first.

Of course, using a free membership site script ended
up killing me, but that's a story for another bottle of
Jack! []

Michael

[DogScout]

Do not under-price your services. If you are willing to work with a small business, instead of charging $500 for a site, charge them $3,000. Bill $500 a month for 6 months.

Justify by including SEO. Outsource 1,000 back links with 2-3 of James' (Rich Jerk) WSOs. Do the keyword research, open them a Google account and add paralytics and add a few articles in addition to the content THEY provide.

Teach the owner how to make a blog post and tell him/her to make one at the least every 2 weeks. (do it for him if you have to for a few months using his content and your keywords, after which you can start charging for that if they never grasp how to do a post. There are those that just cannot get that no matter how smart they are.)

Do a month or two of Adwords at $250 or $500 in costs so that when they see the boost in sales they continue and start paying for the Adwords AND your managing of them. (basically continuing the $500. You spend $350 or so in Google and keep $150 for the 2-4 hours a month you spend testing ads and landing pages.) As they grow, they increase the Adwords spend and you increase the fee.

Remember they are probably local so keyword research has to take that into account. In Google make them a local biz, open a Google biz listing (as well as Yahoo & Bing). Use the local meta tag, that ranks them higher in local searches and excludes them everywhere else. Hardly anyone uses it, so it is very useful right now and make their account local in the webmaster tools of Google.

In 6 months you are likely to have a constant 2-500 dollars in net income from that one account if you are any good at adwords.

Getting Off-line biz is easy to get because there are so many idiots & crooks in the biz. Anyone that has been approached before can easily be persuaded to give you a shot. Value is easy to show. If you have to begin at a lower price, be sure they understand you are giving them an "Introductory Special" until you can 'show' them you know your stuff. (you need them to have email and phone# JUST for your on-line leads so it is trackable.) Don't make them sign long term contracts. (In some cases I do the work before being paid! Worst case is loss of a few hours work. And then they really trust you.) Let them know you are under charging them. After all, most adword companies (if they know what they are doing) charge $3000 just to get to know the company and $3,000 to set the campaigns up! $6,000 before they place the 1st ad! You are giving them a great deal!)

When doing adwords always never stop testing ads and landing pages. Do that and an idiot can beat most of the competition in ANY niche! (98% don't test. Lol.) If I were you and you never used adwords before, just buy Perry Marshall's ultimate guide to adwords on his site for $197. That has all the info you need and more. Ignore the high priced classes. Opt into Perry's list and Glenn Livingston's list. they email enough free info to keep you busy. Lol.

At 3-500 for a site, you are doing them no favors and yourself even less of a favor.

If they don't want to pay for a 'list', make one anyway. Use your AR to feed it. 6 months later ask if they would like a 'rush' of business make a % of increased sales deal and email the list with 10% off or something. They will see the value in the list then!

If you pick a few tiny mom & pop companies to work with, (12-15), in a year, you will be working 10 hours a week and making 10-12K a month. PLUS you will be making the companies successful and they will love you.

Maria Gudelis is an off-line 'guru' (in my opinion). Talk to her about mind-maps. With one designed especially for the client, you can blow them away! The only thing is I think she doesn't charge enough.

Mark

PS-Made $6k yesterday, one small 7-10 page site. Lots of SEO. Secret? Offered they pay over time as they can afford it without having to lay off employees or go under just to get a site up. My price was much more than another 'contract' they were offered that contained about half of what it should have. Did a hand shake deal. If they ever cannot pay, I have lost nothing as the 1st payment covers costs and then some. The site will boost their biz and after it is paid off, they will probably continue for continuing SEO/Adwords?AR services.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Folks, if I were you, I wouldn't contribute anymore to this thread.

As Jay said, this is Joe Kumar all over again.

To the OP.

None of your %#&% business.

[seanyd]

I am flat broke thanks for the thread!

[1960Texan]

Originally Posted by DogScout

Do not under-price your services. If you are willing to work with a small business, instead of charging $500 for a site, charge them $3,000. Bill $500 a month for 6 months.

If you pick a few tiny mom & pop companies to work with, (12-15), in a year, you will be working 10 hours a week and making 10-12K a month. PLUS you will be making the companies successful and they will love you.


Mark

Mark,
What is your idea of a small business (AKA Mom and Pop)? My wife and I own an offline business, and $500 a month is an extravagant sum.
Will

[Mr. Goof Off]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Folks, if I were you, I wouldn't contribute anymore to this thread.

As Jay said, this is Joe Kumar all over again.

To the OP.

None of your %#&% business.

And not only that there are so many other variations of this answer since then.

Originally Posted by bingitbaby

This is some great information! I would do the same type of stuff.

If any new members have any questions please feel free to contact me or Randy and let us know. We are here to help you if you need to further understand any of these posts.

Keep it up everyone! Let's really help some new folks see the dream that we have lived for many years our self.

John Long
Randy Thomas

This is the most baffling post I have ever seen! You have piggybacked off every ones answers and contributed nothing to your own post yet you want someone to pm you and randy as if you two are experts in this matter...That is the most "A in 9" thing I have ever seen. Imagine me coming in a thread and asking, "how do I make money", and every one answers, then I say, "if you need my expertise on how to make money PM me or call my office",(which would really be the phone line to a homeless shelter).

I will be jotting John Long and Randy names down in case I run into your websites. Note to self don't buy from John Long and Randy Thomas

GAME OVER

[goodmast3r]

I would start offering web development service. Starting to collect money, work hard. When I have enough money, then I'll start internet marketing again.

People who are rich before will be likely to be rich again. Why? They have the attitude, they have the skill, they have the connection, and they have the knowledge. Although they are broke, they are not starting from Zero again, because they already have something valuable: experience, etc

[Steven Wagenheim]

Folks, I have just reported this thread. It is clearly obvious that this guy
is pulling a Joe Kumar the 2nd here.

Please report this thread so that it can be deleted and please make note
of the names mentioned so that you avoid doing business with these people
at all costs.

Sorry, but this stinks from the head down as the poster 2 posts above has
pointed out. The OP has added nothing of value to this thread and
suddenly he's coming off as the "expert"?

People, please don't be taken in by this crap.

[Steven Wagenheim]

I have reported this to the help desk. It is so transparent it is a joke.

Hopefully, the OP will be banned as well.

What a load of crap.

[BIG Mike]

Re: If you woke up tomorrow and found yourself flat broke...

it would probably because I got married and foolishly gave my new bride the PIN to my ATM card

[TheRichJerksNet]

Simple I would start over again just as I did over 15 years ago .. The only difference this time around is I would not make the same mistakes. So instead of it taking a few years to be debt free and in profit. I would be in profit in just a matter of a few months..

There is a great deal more techonology now and many things that can be automated which you could not do 15 years ago. This would be a great help aslo..

James

[avenuegirl]

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

it would probably because I got married and foolishly gave my new bride the PIN to my ATM card

Would you like to meet up for a cocktail later?

[BIG Mike]

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

Would you like to meet up for a cocktail later?

I would, but the money's already gone...are you buying

[bingitbaby]

Well everyone thinks this was a joke. We are trying to get information that will help people.

The whole point of Warrior Forum is to help new people make money online.

Well here is what I would do since everyone is wondering.

I would first open my word pad and start to write about something I either like or know a lot about.

Then I would download a free version of a program to turn it into a pdf. Then I would make it a pdf.

Then I would go to a place like weebly or some other free web hosting place and build a website about my article.

Then I would open a Paypal account (remember we lost everything).

Then I would start posting in different free forums and going to different websites that were about my article. I would kindly ask them for a review of my website and article.

Some would respond and some would act like Steven Wagenhiem above (see his posts). People like that you don't need to worry about because they are too busy not trying to help people so they will never get anything out of life anyway. Anyway way off subject now....

Once you give the report to a few people and they review it I would ask for a Testimonial from them. Then post that on your free website.

Now ask them if they would like to help you sell the article for 50% of the profit. They will say yes then you give them a special link to your website.

Now you have JV Partners that have a list, you have testimonials from people, and you are on your way.

Set the price of the article to something like $7 and go for it. After Paypal fees and 50% to your JV you would clear about $3 per sale.

A good JV Partner may have a list of 10,000 people, so if you sold 1% you would make $300. If you had 10 JV Partners, that would turn into $3000.

Then just repeat the above over and over again.

That's what I have done and would do again if needed.

That's it folks. I sure hope that helps. And yes John and I really do want to help people. If you ever contact me I would never sell you anything. I would truly help you. This is NOT a bait and switch or a hoax. This was intended to get the info flowing to help new people wanting to make money online.

I have made my millions on the Internet and now I want to help others and I found this forum and thought it would be a great place to start.

Yes I advertise my business in my Sig, but so do you Steven, so maybe you are just posting here just to get free advertising. Maybe folks should stay away from your products and services. You don't seem to want to offer free help to anyone, so I guess you are all about the money. I don't see any posts in here from you as to what you would do either.

Sincerely,

Randy Thomas

[jesseray]

Whats so wrong with this posting? I see some great ideas. Yeah maybe the guy is trying to create an ebook or something off of every ones Ideas but I bet a lot of people do that here.

[avenuegirl]

Originally Posted by bingitbaby

Some would respond and some would act like Steven Wagenhiem above (see his posts). People like that you don't need to worry about because they are too busy not trying to help people so they will never get anything out of life anyway. Anyway way off subject now....

That was a bit out of line.

You have no idea how much Steven does to try to help people.

The answers newbies seek are all over this forum already.

[bingitbaby]

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

That was a bit out of line.

You have no idea how much Steven does to try to help people.

The answers newbies seek are all over this forum already.

What he said was a bit out of line too. If you don't like a post, just don't respond to it. No need to bash someone for trying to help others.

[avenuegirl]

Originally Posted by bingitbaby

What he said was a bit out of line too. If you don't like a post, just don't respond to it. No need to bash someone for trying to help others.

I think what was being pointed out were his suspicions of things that have been done in the past.

Your approach to starting the thread may have been viewed differently if you had opened with your suggested plan instead of waiting for someone to question you on it.

[jesseray]

Peace~ I love this thread. Don't delete it!

[bingitbaby]

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

I think what was being pointed out were his suspicions of things that have been done in the past.

Your approach to starting the thread may have been viewed differently if you had opened with your suggested plan instead of waiting for someone to question you on it.

Yes you are very correct. I see that now. It was my business partner John Long that started it. I agree with you that either he or I should have come in right after and posted what I just posted above.

I am truly sorry for that oversight. He really did not mean any harm. I really don't want anyone in Warrior Forum to be mad at us or miss trust us.

We truly are here to help anyone, and not sell them anything in return.

I have learned my lesson, now I hope John will see this and post how he got started 10 years ago as well.

To everyone in WF I am sorry for the miss understanding. I have learned now, please forgive me and read my (Randy Thomas) post a few above this one to find out what I did 10 years ago and how I would start again if needed.

Sincerely,

Randy Thomas

[Slin]

No problem Randy, just remember that a lot of fakes are called out here on this forum. Most posters here like Steven are looking out for us (or at least building his rep doing it, but either way it helps the people here)

So would that be your only suggestion, article marketing? What method would you say?

Personally here is mine: Write articles for $5 an article, get $150.

Create a product (or buy PLR) get a graphics designer, get a website up, get an autoresponder. Then build traffic.

[BIG Mike]

Nobody...and I do mean NOBODY, takes cheap shots at Wagenheim except me. Thread reported for deletion.

And avoid what this person is pimping in his signature like the Swine Flu....

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

Nobody...and I do mean NOBODY, takes cheap shots at Wagenheim except me. Thread reported for deletion.

And avoid what this person is pimping in his signature like the Swine Flu....

Thanks Mike. I've got a new BB gun I can lend you for target practice if
you like. It's loaded with anti Wagenheim BBs.

To the OP, if I have judged you unfairly my apologies. But I've seen it all
and this just smelled fishy right from the get go.

We don't need another Joe Kumar.

[bingitbaby]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Thanks Mike. I've got a new BB gun I can lend you for target practice if
you like. It's loaded with anti Wagenheim BBs.

To the OP, if I have judged you unfairly my apologies. But I've seen it all
and this just smelled fishy right from the get go.

We don't need another Joe Kumar.

Thank you Steven. I did not really mean to bash you either. I was kind of upset at first, but now have calmed down. I apologize for saying what I did about you.

If I can ever help you Steven please ask. I would never sell you anything at all.



You are right we don't need another Joe Kumar in here.