I Would Really Like To See A New "Review Copy" Rule....

Many ask for review copies due to the fact that many post in the main forum "review this or that for me" knowing full well that they will be running a WSO ... It was my understanding that this type of thing was already frowned on but I see it posted all the time.

Personally I think your reviews of product should be kept private to begin with... Now obviously if someone wants to give away design or logo's or something like that, then it is different.

Just my opinion though ...

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Elmer Hurlstone

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

I would LOVE to see a rule banning this practice.

RoD

Rod,

You're making a major assumption.

People asking for "Review Copies" are probably not serious, successful, marketers. Granted, that is a generalization.

They're also the least likely to read the rules.

Just because someone asks for something doesn't mean they're going to get it. I discovered that many years ago when I was dating.

Elmer

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TheRichJerksNet 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Elmer Hurlstone

Just because someone asks for something doesn't mean they're going to get it. I discovered that many years ago when I was dating.

Elmer

Poor Elmer .... Always a dollar short and a day behind ...

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Black Hat Cat

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

Y'know.....I rarely rant in this forum, but frankly I'm pretty sick and tired of seeing people openly ask for review copies in someone's WSO thread. It's already a "Warrior Special Offer" which means it's cheaper than anywhere else or simply not offered anywhere else, depending on the offer.

At the very least if you're going to actually ask for one, do it via a Private Message (if you can't because you're too new, then simply don't ask) instead of putting the seller in such an awkward position. I mean, I'm a pretty cheap ******* myself, but I'm not THAT cheap.

I would LOVE to see a rule banning this practice.

RoD

You know, I don't like the letter a....I think there should be rules preventing its use here.

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Adam Sussman 14 years ago

You know, I don't like the letter a....I think there should be rules preventing its use here.

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Rod Cortez

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

You know, I don't like the letter a....I think there should be rules preventing its use here.

That's a really lame analogy. It's an apples to oranges comparison and not even in the same ball park to the point I was making.

James, I totally hear you and understand that some people ask people to review their stuff. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the freebie seekers that are asking for a hand out in an already deeply discounted special offer forum.

Elmer, you're right on man.

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

That's a really lame analogy. It's an apples to oranges comparison and not even in the same ball park to the point I was making.

James, I totally hear you and understand that some people ask people to review their stuff. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the freebie seekers that are asking for a hand out in an already deeply discounted special offer forum.

Elmer, you're right on man.

Rod,
I know what you are saying but that is what I am saying ... lol

People see it here is the main forum all the time so thus that is why many ask inthe wso "Can I have a review copy"... They see it done here so they assume anybody and everybody is wanting a review from a non-customer...

James

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Rod Cortez

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Rod,
I know what you are saying but that is what I am saying ... lol

People see it here is the main forum all the time so thus that is why many ask inthe wso "Can I have a review copy"... They see it done here so they assume anybody and everybody is wanting a review from a non-customer...

James

Ah, I see your point. You're right. Even so, I'd still like to see a rule that states you cannot ask for review copies in the WSO forum is all I'm saying......

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George Wright

14 years ago

I agree with you Rod.

Asking for review copies in the WSO thread does harm the WSO sales.

Over the years I've found that any post in the thread that isn't positive harms the sales at least for a time after the killer post is made.

Some might say "who cares if your WSO is harmed?"

Well, obviously Allen cares because posting to "harm" a WSO is against the TOS. And the seller cares for obvious reasons.

Some have discovered the fine art of WSO killing. Others just do it by accident.

There are poor souls that set up at night trying to figure out how to kill a WSO. Often times they succeed. Others harm WSOs unwittingtly I'm sure.

Anyway, I said all this to say, I agree with you Rod.

George Wright

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

Ah, I see your point. You're right. Even so, I'd still like to see a rule that states you cannot ask for review copies in the WSO forum is all I'm saying......

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Kevin Riley 14 years ago

Maybe just needs to be added to the No Harming WSO rule - for those who are too daft to understand that this could harm somebody's WSO.
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timpears

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

You know, I don't like the letter a....I think there should be rules preventing its use here.

Great post. I loved it.

Asking for review copies is not hate speech, not foul language either. The worst I can say of it is that it is a bit tacky. If someone wants to make themselves look tacky, who are we to say they shouldn't?

If I don't see any reviews from trusted Warriors, then I am hesitant to buy. I want to know what others, besides the vendor, has to say about the product. A free review copy means that the review derived was paid for, so isn't worth a hell of a lot.

But making a rule against asking for review copies is kind of like outlawing free speech, in my opinion anyway. I think that we all just need to be a little more tolerant.

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Rod Cortez

14 years ago

Originally Posted by timpears

Great post. I loved it.

Asking for review copies is not hate speech, not foul language either. The worst I can say of it is that it is a bit tacky. If someone wants to make themselves look tacky, who are we to say they shouldn't?

If I don't see any reviews from trusted Warriors, then I am hesitant to buy. I want to know what others, besides the vendor, has to say about the product. A free review copy means that the review derived was paid for, so isn't worth a hell of a lot.

But making a rule against asking for review copies is kind of like outlawing free speech, in my opinion anyway. I think that we all just need to be a little more tolerant.

Your premise is flawed. I never said asking for a review was hate speech, profanity, or anything resembling that. In fact, I don't have an issue with sellers asking if people want review copies in the general forum as long as it follows the rules. I'm stating that it's beyond tacky for a prospective customer asking for a review copy in the WSO forum because it's already being sold at a discount; in many cases a deep discount.

There already are rules in Allen's forum that limit freedom of expression, for example, if you bash someone's WSO you can get banned from the forum for good. If you talk religion or politics apart from the Off Topic forum the thread will get nuked. So to me this has nothing to do with tolerance and everything to do with not putting the WSO seller in an awkward position. Let the seller decide if they want to issue review copies. That's all I'm saying.

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George Wright 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

If you talk religion or politics apart from the Off Topic forum the thread will get nuked.

Rod,

Slight correction, Sticky: Religious & Political Topics Are Forbidden!

Is the one rule at the top of the OT forum.

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UKTim29 14 years ago

Originally Posted by timpears

But making a rule against asking for review copies is kind of like outlawing free speech, in my opinion anyway.

Bit digipointish to me!

Think the op is just identifying the potential for freeloading!!!!!!
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- Alan Petersen 14 years ago
  
  That is very annoying indeed. By the time I list my product for sale I've already had people I trust review it for me. It's annoying to pay your money for your WSO to then have people ask for a freebie (review copy). And it does harm your WSO. People should only post if they have a question about buying the product or a review (good or bad).
  
  I like this part of Allen's WSO rules. I realize it's meant for those who comment on a product they haven't even bought but I wish asking for a hand-out would apply to it.
  
  ...If you bought the WSO you have a right to comment on it. However, if you have not bought it you have no right to say anything at all about it...
  
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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

You know, I don't like the letter a....I think there should be rules preventing its use here.

Do you ever have anything positive to contribute to this forum?
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- TheRichJerksNet 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  Do you ever have anything positive to contribute to this forum?
  
  Not that I have seen thus far ....
  
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Lance K 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

You know, I don't like the letter a....I think there should be rules preventing its use here.

That's really gonna foul up your identity, Mr. Blck Ht Ct.
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GrantFreeman

14 years ago

My review copy is the same price as my wso.

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ShaneRQR 14 years ago

Originally Posted by GrantFreeman

My review copy is the same price as my wso.

Fair enough.

I agree that asking for review copies should be done via PM.
I don't quite understand how just asking for it would harm the WSO? (You'll have to file me under "too daft", I guess)

Because everyone will start digging for review copies? Or do people take it badly when the request is rejected?
Never had a WSO of my own, so I don't really have a clue...
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GrantFreeman

14 years ago

Here's a thought..

What about creating a "sneak peek"or preview much like Amazon offers? You could offer a "preview" of the table of contents and maybe a few pages or chapters of the original ebook.

Buyers can download this version for free, and get a better idea about what's included before they purchase.

The same thing can be done with the audio. Of course the text and audio would need to be set up before these things are converted to PDF/MP3.

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MizzCindy

14 years ago

I agree it's poor form to ask for a review copy of a WSO product in the WSO thread AND it can bring the positive momentum to a screeching halt. Bad news.

It's also common practice in many bluefart forums to advise folks to come over here, ask for a review copy specifically for the purpose of uploading it for general consumption.

I agree with the suggestion to at least ban those requests from the WSO section.

Cindy

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showbizvet

14 years ago

Good thread, especially since I'll be running a WSO in the not too distant future. In my case, since I have to do actual "real time" work to gain a review, I'd be handing them judiciously.

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