How do I get a mentor?

[808glass]

I'm looking for a mentor because I'd like to accelerate and focus my learning process. The warrior forum and the internet in general is giving me information overload headaches and I want to make sure I'm focusing on learning the right information. It seems the most successful people in IM have mentors and I'd like to be one of those. I should note, I'm not a total newb... I've made a couple hundred months in the last few months doing this part time. But I really want to take it to the next level.

So...
Where does one go to get a mentor?

How much does a mentor usually charge?

What have your experiences been?

Thanks!!!

[jaybaker]

Someone may eventually come forward and offer assistance. There most likely will be something you can do for them in trade or $$, but if you can''t find one here I am sure there are other forums out there you could ask this in as well

[sahi]

Actually you won't need a mentor if you just focus and start at somewhere, if you are new to IM then you should first get some basic book explaining the basic IM stuff and while you are reading it you can start to offer services at various IM forums including warrior like article writing, backlinks, etc, and if you have any graphic skills or web development skill then you can include that too in your portfolio.

By doing the above you'll have some immediate cash at your hand which you then can invest in hosting, and buy some reseller hosting for your future sites.

Once you have hosting at your disposal and by that time you would have finished your basic book, you'll be ready for some affiliate marketing. Start with affiliate marketing and you can get some good step by step books, courses on this topic, and implement the information given in them. At the same time keep offering your services as that would provide you with some constant cash and you won't have to worry about the money while you are learning affiliate marketing and implementing it.

This is just the starting points, and you can either start from here or just wait for some compassionate mentor to come and help you.

I don't understand why people ask for mentors here when I haven't seen anyone coming forward to help these guys who keep asking for mentors, and if someone comes forward then he asks way too much money for mentoring which kills the purpose in the first place.

[Vanquish]

All you need to become successful is this forum, also join the war room it's a gold mine. A mentor is good if you have trouble staying focused and need someone to give you a kick and show you a path of action but I feel it is more rewarding trying to figure out things on your own. However if you have the large $ to pay for a mentor I would go for it because it would seem like a fast track to success.

[Debbie Songster]

I don't understand why people ask for mentors here when I haven't seen anyone coming forward to help these guys who keep asking for mentors, and if someone comes forward then he asks way too much money for mentoring which kills the purpose in the first place.

I'm sure there are several people on the forum who mentor but there isn't anyone I know of who knows what they are doing who is willing to do it for free.
I don't know what you mean by too much money and "kills the purpose in the first place"?
Do you think mentoring means doing it for free?
How much do you think it should cost?

Mentoring takes a lot of time and its emotionally draining.
Someone has to pay for that time.
I've spent hours and hours with students on a daily basis working for pennies because they couldn't afford it. Trying to give some of them a break. You know the saying "no good deed goes unpunished" - its actually true. The worst students are the ones who are doing it on the cheap. Probably because those people haven't learned the value of time and skill.

Most people don't realize how much work is involved so they flake on you when the projects take time and effort. Then all the coaching and mentoring turns into a waste of time.

At the beginning of this year I ran a few "cheap" classes just to give people a break. It was a disaster (in my opinion) very few finished their websites. Most people are lazy and have short attention spans. No one wants to work. Its tough to keep people motivated. In fact its very frustrating.

I believe if people don't make a solid financial investment in their learning then they won't be committed to finish. I've seen this happen far too many times for it not to be true.

You may find people here to mentor you but its not going to be free. Anyone who knows what they are doing is going to have an active business. That means they are already busy. You'll have to buy their time if you want it.

The more successful they are the more you'll have to pay for their time and experience.

Remember - you pay peanuts, you get monkeys

[sahi]

Originally Posted by Debbie Songster

I don't know what you mean by too much money and "kills the purpose in the first place"?
Do you think mentoring means doing it for free?
How much do you think it should cost?

The purpose is to learn and be successful like the mentor but sometimes the fee asked for such mentoring is outrageous but I don't mean to say that a person should do it free. The fee must be reasonable keeping in view the definition of the word "reasonable".

[BIG Mike]

Originally Posted by sahi

The purpose is to learn and be successful like the mentor but sometimes the fee asked for such mentoring is outrageous but I don't mean to say that a person should do it free. The fee must be reasonable keeping in view the definition of the word "reasonable".

Since when does the mentor owe it to anyone to accept less than what he or she values their time and efforts at?

Based on my net profit from various online/offline business activities and annualizing the total numbers of hours "Worked" to earn that profit, each hour I spend working can be said to earn me $733.61

While that is overly simplistic, is it outrageous to value the time spent mentoring someone according to the value of my time? If I did it at a "Reasonable" price of say, $50 per hour, should I just suck it up and eat the loss of $683.61 per hour just to help someone I don't know achieve the same level of success?

Does my own success somehow obligate me to lose money for the benefit of others? especially when 50% or more will go missing and another 30% will drag their feet on doing anything?

That said, while I do take on a handful of paid students now and then, I mainly do this for free. And before anyone asks, I choose the student, not the other way around ("When the student is ready, the teacher will appear") so don't even ask.

[John Taylor]

Originally Posted by 808glass

But I really want to take it to the next level.

You need to be very clear what "the next
level" is before you even begin to look for
a coach or a mentor.

You also need to be very clear about what
business you are actually in, or plan to be
in. Then you'll know the type of person who
is most likely to be able to help you.


John

[JayXtreme]

When the student is ready, the teacher will appear...

Or so I heard from a girl in a bar

Peace

Jay

[808glass]

This is really helpful information! Well, if anyone is interested in trade, I've got a bachelors in systems administration, 10+ years experience hosting (linux, windows, mail, http, etc...), and have been building websites since 1999 (graphics, php, css, html). Also, plenty of experience with business development (mainly in tech industries) and I've got a natural knack for IM and am absolutely loving it so far. This is truly my first segway into the realm though and I'm prone to focusing on "unfruitful" labors all too often (mainly autoblogs this week) and have had trouble getting significant traffic flowing... and I suppose the next level (goal) for me would be $50/day continuously.

[Scorched Earth]

I guess there are mentors and mentors - I've done work with friends mostly on the basis of asking them to either use some affiliate links of mine, offer me some promotion,or sign on to affiliate schemes via my links. If they become successful I profit - and my help has cost them nothing.

[seanyd]

Originally Posted by sahi

The purpose is to learn and be successful like the mentor but sometimes the fee asked for such mentoring is outrageous but I don't mean to say that a person should do it free. The fee must be reasonable keeping in view the definition of the word "reasonable".

Yes totally agree outrageous if only their was a mentor ship programme that took a percentage of what you earned, but I suppose their isn`t a mentor confident enough to do this.

[John Taylor]

Originally Posted by seanyd

but I suppose their isn`t a mentor confident enough to do this.

Oh yeah someone is bound to take you on
as a completely unknown quantity and risk
their vaulable time. Business is about taking
calculated risk, it's about predicting the
potential return on your investment. It's not
about gambling on very long odds.

If someone can demonstrate a willingness
to learn, to work hard and to show some
initiative, I just might offer some help. But
then that would mean they'd have to have
the confidence to put their head above the
parapet and take a risk.

Why do so many people think they have an
entitlement to someone else's time and
attention?

John

[Bev Clement]

Originally Posted by seanyd

Yes totally agree outrageous if only their was a mentor ship programme that took a percentage of what you earned, but I suppose their isn`t a mentor confident enough to do this.

Or maybe the mentor knows the majority of people won't follow through.

It's funny how people say they want a mentor but also blame the mentor for not getting them to where they want to be, but forget they didn't do any work themselves.

I said I was looking for some interns, who would be paid a % of the work they did which was sold.

Over 10 warriors said they were interested, only 3 completed the application form.

Why, because they all want something for nothing, and the thought of having to work is what stops them doing anything.

Why should a mentor be paid on the basis of whether you are prepared to work. This isn't a win/win situation, because the student gets free lessons regardless of what they do.

For many people all they want is a freebie, they think mentors owe them something, even though they haven't done anything to get started themselves.

Why do people think mentors should give away everything for nothing, why are they also on the bottom of the pile in terms of payments by some people.

I hope all these people asking for a free mentor will in a month's time give away everything to the next person.

Why? In a month you will always be ahead of a new person.

Are you prepared to put your name on the line and give a free mentorship to someone who will pay you back with a % of their earnings or don't you have the guts to do it yourself?

[Scorched Earth]

Originally Posted by Bev Clement

Or maybe the mentor knows the majority of people won't follow through.

This is why I would only do this with friends.

[sahi]

Well the same thing happens in all such mentoring threads, i.e. everybody starts to post facts about how much their hours are worth as per the income they are earning, and no one dares to come out in front to offer their coaching.

I consider such things as just lame excuses because no one can actually determine how much you are worth per hour because one can't determine it solely just based on your own said earnings that you supposedly earn....

Another excuse that I often see is that "students are lazy, and want to be coached for nothing, and they are not willing to work"!!! Well maybe the fault is not with the students, it's with the mentor himself because he doesn't know how to properly coach his students, and I know that no mentor will say that he is poor at teaching his students. It takes courage to say this and take responsibility.

Every time when I read such excuses by mentors I wonder what the other side[students] have to say about it.. I would like to see what the students who went through some sort of coaching and then supposedly didn't complete it have to say about this.

[Bev Clement]

Students are lazy, not all but the majority who claim they want help.

I have testimonials from students who completed the work, students who took action, and have students who did nothing with the same material and help. I have people from both sides of the fence.

Ah! it's the mentors fault for not teaching correctly. How come this is true when you teach 20 people, 5 are successful because they did the work, they took actions, they asked for extra help and the 15 failures all have excuses why they couldn't do it.

Sahi, as you're such an expert at mentoring when are you going to give all the people who want help mentoring for free. You could do a case study and show how you have the hidden secrets of how to have 100% success with every single person.

[sahi]

Originally Posted by Bev Clement

Sahi, as you're such an expert at mentoring when are you going to give all the people who want help mentoring for free. You could do a case study and show how you have the hidden secrets of how to have 100% success with every single person.

Bev even if I gave you a case study you would just shrug it off, or dismiss it as some sort of fantasy.
And by the way I'm not an expert at mentoring like you say you are but still this story won't be complete without listening first to students who supposedly failed either in your mentor programs or in some other warrior's program because so far in all mentor threads I have just seen the same responses from same mentors, and nothing new.

And by the way failure of 15 students out of 20 says a lot about a mentor and his coaching because at this ratio you can't put all the blame on the failed students.

Any way we are getting distracted from the OP's original question which is How do I get a mentor?

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by sahi

Well the same thing happens in all such mentoring threads, i.e. everybody starts to post facts about how much their hours are worth as per the income they are earning, and no one dares to come out in front to offer their coaching.

I consider such things as just lame excuses because no one can actually determine how much you are worth per hour because one can't determine it solely just based on your own said earnings that you supposedly earn....

Another excuse that I often see is that "students are lazy, and want to be coached for nothing, and they are not willing to work"!!! Well maybe the fault is not with the students, it's with the mentor himself because he doesn't know how to properly coach his students, and I know that no mentor will say that he is poor at teaching his students. It takes courage to say this and take responsibility.

Every time when I read such excuses by mentors I wonder what the other side[students] have to say about it.. I would like to see what the students who went through some sort of coaching and then supposedly didn't complete it have to say about this.

Using this "logic", then Mike could also be worth MORE than the figure he posted.

BTW, who are you to tell someone else what their time is worth?

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by sahi

Bev even if I gave you a case study you would just shrug it off, or dismiss it as some sort of fantasy.
And by the way I'm not an expert at mentoring like you say you are but still this story won't be complete without listening first to students who supposedly failed either in your mentor programs or in some other warrior's program because so far in all mentor threads I have just seen the same responses from same mentors, and nothing new.

And by the way failure of 15 students out of 20 says a lot about a mentor and his coaching because at this ratio you can't put all the blame on the failed students.

Any way we are getting distracted from the OP's original question which is How do I get a mentor?

When do you offer your expertise for free?

[Richard Tunnah]

Here's the problem with free mentorship or taking a profit split from your students success. I was recently talking to a very successful direct marketer in the UK. He has consistantly earnt 7 figures for a number of years. He offers a high cost one to one years mentorship. It costs about £10k ($16K). He lays out a blueprint to success. He told me that of the last 20 people enrolled, 16 dropped out within 6 weeks as they thought it was too much hard work, 3 dropped out after a couple of months leaving 1 guy that looks to earn over £100k in his first year. So even paying this high price people didn't follow through. That's the sad facts of life.

Rich

[sahi]

Originally Posted by Kurt

BTW, who are you to tell someone else what their time is worth?

Well if you want to start a this sort of thing in this thread then I'm outta here. We should do a constructive discussion here about this topic and not to behave like children.

[Essence]

Talk to Michael Oksa. He mentored me, and his advice was invaluable.

[John Cabral]

I think that if you can find someone to mentor you and you are willing to follow what they say than you are luck.

I am a firm believer in teaching someone how to fish instead of giving them a fish.

Being an accountant IM has never come easy and still doesn't after 10 years. I have had some small successes but nothing lasting.

If you have the $$$ and can find a mentor that walks the talk and can show you how to duplicate their results then you have landed a goldmine.

If you can accelerate the learning process which will save you time and money than its worth it. Unfortunately not everyone has the $$$ for that route.

Personally being back on WF I am finding I have analysis paralysis from all the information overload. Having a hard time focusing on any one plan even if its in front of me and I am sure their are others here.

I am sure some find mentors here and that some mentors find you but not through the open forum but by PM.

Also don't look at your mentor as a way to get rich quick.

[sahi]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

When do you offer your expertise for free?

I'm a bad teacher[Look I admitted this fact] so I don't consider myself capable of offering my mentor services

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by sahi

Well if you want to start a this sort of thing in this thread then I'm outta here. We should do a constructive discussion here about this topic and not to behave like children.

I gotcha...You can put down others, then when given a legit question you threaten to leave and call me childish.

I'll ask again, who are you to tell someone else what they are worth? Shouldn't any business agreement be win/win for both parties?

PS...You didn't acknowledge the flaw in your "logic".

[John Taylor]

Originally Posted by sahi

Another excuse that I often see is that "students are lazy, and want to be coached for nothing, and they are not willing to work"!!! Well maybe the fault is not with the students, it's with the mentor himself because he doesn't know how to properly coach his students, and I know that no mentor will say that he is poor at teaching his students. It takes courage to say this and take responsibility.

It's nothing to do with courage. The mentor can
not be held accountable for the action, or inaction,
of a student.

A successful mentor will take care in screening
his potential students to evaluate if they have
the character and determination to follow his
guidance.

I personally take a great deal of care in screening
applicants for my coaching programme.

Every time when I read such excuses by mentors I wonder what the other side[students] have to say about it.. I would like to see what the students who went through some sort of coaching and then supposedly didn't complete it have to say about this.

Do you realistically expect anyone to publically
admit that they failed?

The primary reason for failure is the inability to
implement the learning. The type of person who
fails to implement is often the type who will blame
everyone and everything apart from themselves.

John

[Rod Cortez]

Originally Posted by sahi

Well the same thing happens in all such mentoring threads, i.e. everybody starts to post facts about how much their hours are worth as per the income they are earning, and no one dares to come out in front to offer their coaching.

I disagree. Over the years I've seen people ask for mentoring and I've seen some Warriors step up to the challenge. What you rarely see is what happens afterwards and I've been privy to see a lot of those conversations.

I've coached more than a handful of Warriors from this very forum and the vast majority of them did not follow through. It's easy to ask for mentoring and help, but unless you've actually coached and mentored more than one person for free (or paid, doesn't matter), you quickly learn certain things about human behavior. And that is that most people simply aren't willing to do the work necessary to get the job done. When the reality of how much work they actually have to do hits them and they're not being handed the "magic bullet", they have a tendency to shut down.

Now we can split hairs and blame things like hype and false promises, which definitely does happen, but generally speaking, most people are looking for the quick and easy buck, which isn't a reality for most people in the beginning.

I consider such things as just lame excuses because no one can actually determine how much you are worth per hour because one can't determine it solely just based on your own said earnings that you supposedly earn....

I disagree. I don't know you personally, but generally the people that I hear say or write these things are people that do not value their own time and/or they've never been on the other side of the coin so it's easy to drum up someone valuing their time as a "lame excuse".

Another excuse that I often see is that "students are lazy, and want to be coached for nothing, and they are not willing to work"!!! Well maybe the fault is not with the students, it's with the mentor himself because he doesn't know how to properly coach his students, and I know that no mentor will say that he is poor at teaching his students. It takes courage to say this and take responsibility.

True, sometimes it is the mentor's fault because they are not providing strong leadership. However, in my experience the vast majority of the time it's the student that is not following through. It's not an excuse, that's the reality of it. Ask anyone who does coaching for a living (which I have in 3 different industries).

Every time when I read such excuses by mentors I wonder what the other side[students] have to say about it.. I would like to see what the students who went through some sort of coaching and then supposedly didn't complete it have to say about this.

I will only speak for myself in this instance. My students that have followed through, whether it was dating, stock picking, or growing their business have had excellent results. Many have considered them life changing. The ones that didn't get good results simply did not follow through. Again, I take exception to you calling these "excuses" since I view them as the reality for most people who choose to become mentors and coaches. I'm curious to know how many people you have coached.

RoD

[sahi]

Originally Posted by Kurt

I gotcha...You can put down others, then when given a legit question you threaten to leave and call me childish.

I'll ask again, who are you to tell someone else what they are worth? Shouldn't any business agreement be win/win for both parties?

PS...You didn't acknowledge the flaw in your "logic".

All I want to hear is the other side of the story, and if students don't want to tell the other side of the story and why they failed then that's end of the matter. Why take it personally???

I agree that every business agreement be a win/win for both parties but them why to put all blame on students? Or do you think that all mentors are flawless irrespective of how they teach or mentor?

I always acknowledge my mistakes and flaws in my logic when I see any flaw in it but so far I don't see any flaw in it. All I'm seeing is that blame is being put on students and no one willing to take responsibility for their own mentoring.

[Debbie Songster]

sahi - I'll address your issues.

everybody starts to post facts about how much their hours are worth as per the income they are earning, and no one dares to come out in front to offer their coaching.

My rates are based on $65 hr and are posted here
Webmaster & Website Maintenance Plans
The retainer plans work out to less money per hour but you have to make a commitment to them.

Another excuse that I often see is that "students are lazy, and want to be coached for nothing, and they are not willing to work"!!! Well maybe the fault is not with the students, it's with the mentor himself because he doesn't know how to properly coach his students, and I know that no mentor will say that he is poor at teaching his students. It takes courage to say this and take responsibility.

Sure I have had students where the fit wasn't good. I'm the first to tell them its not going to work.
I don't know about anyone else but for me this is more than just taking someones money. I take pride in the project and when people accomplish their goals.
I get it that day to day life gets in the way but some of the people I've had - and its always the free or cheap rate ones - just can't seem to stay motivated.

One guy - I setup 2 blogs for him and gave him free hosting - so the only cost he had was for his domains. There were 2 or 3 posts added then nothing - they are still sitting there not being used months later.

Same for another young fella who was ambitious about his sports and promoting affiliate products in the sports niche. I gave him free hosting, setup his blog and created a template for him - ALL for no cost.
He posted a few things and there it sat - no updates - nothing. In fact I just recently deleted it off my server. There had been nothing done to it for over a year.
With that person part of his obligation was to report back in a certain forum the things he was doing and the goals he was achieving.

I could go on and describe others I've helped but I think you get my point.

Of the students I've had where they paid for my services - and not a discount rate either. Most of them manage to achieve their goals.

But it never fails - the ones who want it for nothing or whine about the price and talk me to down to a lower rate - those always come back to haunt me.
They either take up too much of my time, wanting to be spoon fed everything or they bail before completing the project.

Seanyd..

Yes totally agree outrageous if only their was a mentor ship programme that took a percentage of what you earned, but I suppose their isn`t a mentor confident enough to do this.

Let me tell you about working with percentages. It takes a mature business person to do this. I'm not talking about the mentor. I'm talking about the person paying the percentage.
Here is the reality of percentage based projects. I'm speaking from experience and the experience of my husband who works in sales and has for the majority of his adult life.

The guy paying the percentage is ALWAYS looking at your pile of money. Its a rare business person who looks at your pile of money and says to himself - well if I'm paying him $1,000 then I'm putting $3,000 in my pocket (based on 25% commission)

Most of the time they look at your pile of money and say to themselves - good grief I'm paying this guy too much. Last month I paid him $500 now I'm paying him $1,000. Whats he doing for that money. I could outsource this to someone in (wherever) for $2.00 hr ... blah blah blah ...

Now lets move this over to the online world
If I take a percentage then my income is based on your efforts.
I've done this so read this carefully.
It generally takes time to establish a business and so the first 3 - 6 months the income is lean but thats when the majority of the work is done.
Bottom line when people start making money they forget about all the work that was put in at the beginning and its hard for them to write that check to you. Remember they are looking at your pile of money - not their own.

Then there are the people who - no matter what you say and plans you create for them they can't do it. So they don't earn which mean I don't get paid.

Nope I don't do that anymore. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt to prove it.

I've had to take a hard A$$ approach lately. I've donated too much of my time this year.

sahi -

The purpose is to learn and be successful like the mentor but sometimes the fee asked for such mentoring is outrageous but I don't mean to say that a person should do it free. The fee must be reasonable keeping in view the definition of the word "reasonable".

Whats your definition of reasonable?

Tell me how much you think you should pay per hour for coaching / mentoring

[Steve Peters Benn]

Hi John,

It's the sort of entitlement attitude in this thread, combined with an unwillingness to take action that scares me.

The thought seems to be, if I get a mentor and I pay then I want them to do the work for me.

Being a student can be hard, and that's not considering payment fees and for many that is too much to stomach.

Unfortuantely, IM has gotten a bit of a reputation where anyone can make money for free. I've seen a few too many, 'I am broke / need a mentor / need help' posts where the same person is also promoting and selling some sort of wealth building ability.

I can't help but feel that this comes down to an unwillingness to work and an entitlement attitude. The point made earlier about 'fees should be reasonable' - mentors aren't Wal Mart - there is no good reason or need for us all to rush to the bottom price wise.

Coaching isn't a commodity. Or another get rich quick thing.

There are real benefits there for those that put in the work but personally I don't want a student who views coaching like buying a cut price HD TV at Walmart.

[Steve Peters Benn]

Originally Posted by Richard Tunnah

Here's the problem with free mentorship or taking a profit split from your students success. I was recently talking to a very successful direct marketer in the UK. He has consistantly earnt 7 figures for a number of years. He offers a high cost one to one years mentorship. It costs about £10k ($16K). He lays out a blueprint to success. He told me that of the last 20 people enrolled, 16 dropped out within 6 weeks as they thought it was too much hard work, 3 dropped out after a couple of months leaving 1 guy that looks to earn over £100k in his first year. So even paying this high price people didn't follow through. That's the sad facts of life.

Rich

I think I know the guy and program you talk about. I'm not surprised people drop out - far too many people think getting rich is easy. Ironically, the course said marketer offers can actually work if you put the work in - it's probably a very easy route to success if you can commit.

[eagletouch]

First of all, I am very appreciative to the person who volunteered to mentor me a couple months ago. I've worked hard, learned alot without leaning on them very much, but I'm always received kindly with answers. First class human being.

To pen another cliche", "the teacher becomes the student". I think there's a benefit that comes to the mentor when they agree to help someone. If I wasn't so new myself, I'd gladly volunteer.

But that's the purpose of this forum. Almost everyone is here to either learn or share. I may say something, and the next person will augment it (or tell me I'm full of it). Meanwhile everyone learns.

My advice - don't focus on the fact that you're new. For some reason it doesn't sit well with some people here. But if you have a question, however basic it is, just ask. Someone with more experience will answer. And if it's the right question, it will spark ideas as well as shared experiences.

There are also forums and programs more geared to beginners. Contact me and I'll share, for what it's worth.

[808glass]

Paying for a membership or a WSO is not the same as paying for a mentor regardless if you are "self learner" or not. A mentor should coach, evaluate progress, make recommendations, teach the student to succeed, etc... yes, there are lazy students... but in the same respect I'd assume there are also lazy mentors.

A mentor should take a blueprint for making money online that's been proven many times over and teach the student how to do it. That is worth money and a student should pay if the mentor can prove it. Or the student should intern or apprentice for the mentor and make the mentor money while working for scraps. Those are the scenarios I'd be interested in, particularly the apprentice level because I think I have enough technical skills that it could be beneficial to some mentors.

[Lucky500]

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

When the student is ready, the teacher will appear...

Or so I heard from a girl in a bar

Peace

Jay

You cracked me up there Jay....

[Rod Cortez]

Originally Posted by 808glass

I'm looking for a mentor because I'd like to accelerate and focus my learning process. The warrior forum and the internet in general is giving me information overload headaches and I want to make sure I'm focusing on learning the right information. It seems the most successful people in IM have mentors and I'd like to be one of those. I should note, I'm not a total newb... I've made a couple hundred months in the last few months doing this part time. But I really want to take it to the next level.

So...
Where does one go to get a mentor?

How much does a mentor usually charge?

What have your experiences been?

Thanks!!!

808glass, my apologies for not addressing your post. Let me give you a bit of advice, you'd have an easier time finding a mentor if you weren't so anonymous. I don't even know your name or where you're from.

Secondly, what interests you? IM is a vast, vast place. Is there anything specifically that looks good to you? Affiliate marketing? Creating your own products? Or are you overwhelmed and not sure where to being?

RoD

[808glass]

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

808glass, my apologies for not addressing your post. Let me give you a bit of advice, you'd have an easier time finding a mentor if you weren't so anonymous. I don't even know your name or where you're from.

Secondly, what interests you? IM is a vast, vast place. Is there anything specifically that looks good to you? Affiliate marketing? Creating your own products? Or are you overwhelmed and not sure where to being?

RoD

Thanks Rod! Yeah, I need to stay a bit anonymous on the main forum because I do have a full time job. IM is a hobby that will one day free me from having a human boss, the fear of losing my job, and allow me to provide for my family and spend more time with them.

I am really enjoying CPA and Social Media right now. But honestly, I'm overwhelmed with apparently great information and not sure what to act on, and when I do act on something I usually get stuck at the getting traffic part. But I'm currently bringing in anywhere from $2 to $60 a day and I've only been doing this a month or so. It's a ton of fun and I enjoy learning, but I'm anxious to get into the meat of IM and learn from the Pros.

Will shoot a few of you some PM's later (don't mind being less anonymous there) - thanks again for all the GREAT replies!

[Mmfh]

I want to jump into this from the perspective of being a student of a very generous and very helpful mentor.

A few months ago I was reading threads on info I was trying to figure out and I ran across a thread from a mentor that offered help to anyone that would work hard and follow through with the task at hand.

Michael Mayo is my mentor and not only is he the best thing that has happened to me he has not asked me for a dime, and I have I'm sure at times been a pain in his butt to answer all my questions.

For anybody reading this I'm here to tell you that Michael is a great Mentor and I'm sure there must be others like him on this forum.

He is there daily and always has a answer for my problem or question right away!

I have worked very hard to get my piece of online real estate. I have needed his help many,many times along the way to get going in the right direction and sometimes he has an answer for me within minutes of me asking him for help.

Seems to me that their are quite a few people on this forum that would be great mentors if they didn't have burn out from trying to help people that didn't follow through after receiving the help.

Please people if you are going to ask someone for their help and you are damn lucky enough to get it than do the work!!

How can you expect the mentoring type people to want to help if every time they do it turns out to be a waste of their time.

Making money online has lots of great benefits but one thing it is not is a easy walk in the park. I've been working very hard at getting my business going and one day I'm sure I will be able to slow down and coast a little but I know that will not be any time soon.

So, point I'm trying to make is there are Mentors on this forum that truly have a kind heart and enjoy helping people get started and please if you are lucky enough to have one of them offer to help you like Michael has done for me than do the work and make them feel like you give a damn about what they have done for you.

Sorry about going on and on I just felt like I connected with this thread and wanted to get all of that in.

Thanks very much!

Mm

[Bev Clement]

Originally Posted by sahi

Bev even if I gave you a case study you would just shrug it off, or dismiss it as some sort of fantasy.
And by the way I'm not an expert at mentoring like you say you are but still this story won't be complete without listening first to students who supposedly failed either in your mentor programs or in some other warrior's program because so far in all mentor threads I have just seen the same responses from same mentors, and nothing new.

And by the way failure of 15 students out of 20 says a lot about a mentor and his coaching because at this ratio you can't put all the blame on the failed students.

Any way we are getting distracted from the OP's original question which is How do I get a mentor?

1) I gave a figure, which wasn't from an acutal case study, so don't even go there.

2) How do you know whether people have asked the failed students why they failed?

Do you know what most failed students say, it was too much work, I don't have time, I didn't really want to do any work, it isn't what I want to do, I don't have .......... fill in the blanks.

So why don't you offer the OP mentoring as you're the expert at what it should be like or how it should be done. Notice I didn't say you were good at teaching.

Why don't you teach them, and learn how to teach.

Be the person who is going to change it for everybody

[808glass]

BTW - if you might be interested in mentoring me, shoot me a PM and I'll send my LinkedIn account. Thanks!

[sahi]

Originally Posted by Bev Clement

1)

Why don't you teach them, and learn how to teach.

Be the person who is going to change it for everybody

This is not the answer to my question and my question still stands and you can't just shift the focus from the main thing by these things, and I perfectly know that not one of us here would take the blame publicly just like John said in his post.

So lets close this matter here and lets move on to some other mentoring thread.

[Bev Clement]

Originally Posted by sahi

All I want to hear is the other side of the story, and if students don't want to tell the other side of the story and why they failed then that's end of the matter. Why take it personally???

If this is all you want to know, start a thread asking for all the failed students would say why they failed, and see how many responses you get.

I can say, I have some interns at the moment (writing niche) who are doing brilliantly. But, I have one who I had to tell them they couldn't continue. They were 4 weeks behind with their work. They gave me a reason after the event, not before or during the time they were not completing their assignments.

What do I charge the intern? Nothing.

Yes, if any of their work is sold, then I take a %, and they agreed to that.

I had in the past one student who said, he knew everything being taught, and the most money he had made was less than a $1. He knew it all, but never took any action, and 2 years later is still looking for a mentor who will give it all to him so he doesn't have to do anything himself.

[sahi]

Originally Posted by 808glass

BTW - if you might be interested in mentoring me, shoot me a PM and I'll send my LinkedIn account. Thanks!

I sincerely hope that you can find the mentor, and it would be a good starting point to get in touch with the two mentors whose names have been mentioned here i.e. Michael Mayo and Michael Oksa.

I would also recommend John Taylor, he's a good coach. You'll learn a lot from him too.

Good luck.

[808glass]

Originally Posted by sahi

I sincerely hope that you can find the mentor, and it would be a good starting point to get in touch with the two mentors whose names have been mentioned here i.e. Michael Mayo and Michael Oksa.

I would also recommend John Taylor, he's a good coach. You'll learn a lot from him too.

Good luck.

Thanks!!! Will do!

[BIG Mike]

Originally Posted by sahi

Well the same thing happens in all such mentoring threads, i.e. everybody starts to post facts about how much their hours are worth as per the income they are earning, and no one dares to come out in front to offer their coaching.

I consider such things as just lame excuses because no one can actually determine how much you are worth per hour because one can't determine it solely just based on your own said earnings that you supposedly earn....

Actually, I quoted the hourly rate because last night one of my students and I were looking at the value of time and how it can be used as a benchmark for projecting net profit on various projects. I just had the number handy to throw out there, but the truth is, the number is based one of my online business activities and applicable to this discussion.

I also qualified my comment that I generally mentor for free and that I choose the student. I routinely step up to the bar and mentor others...but it is done on my terms and when my schedule permits it.

My time is much more valuable to me than a measely $733 per hour. And I freely give of my time to those that demonstrate they have what it takes to benefit from it.

Another excuse that I often see is that "students are lazy, and want to be coached for nothing, and they are not willing to work"!!! Well maybe the fault is not with the students, it's with the mentor himself because he doesn't know how to properly coach his students, and I know that no mentor will say that he is poor at teaching his students. It takes courage to say this and take responsibility.

Every time when I read such excuses by mentors I wonder what the other side[students] have to say about it.. I would like to see what the students who went through some sort of coaching and then supposedly didn't complete it have to say about this.[/quote]

You've obviously never mentored any number of people then. I know from personal experience that only 20% of the folks I vet actually make it because only 20% stick it out.

If they don't stick with it, I can't help them and I absolutely will not do it for them. And this is the second reason for my response about the value of time.

When someone wants to be mentored, I carefully consider what it will cost me, not just in dollars and cents, but in terms of time, stress and the impact on others I work with.

If they don't stick it out and do the work, I drop them in a heartbeat. I'm not mentoring them to do their work for them and put money in their pocket - I'm teaching them to do it for themselves.

As they say, "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day...teach him to fish and you feed him for life".

[manfred11]

Normally a mentor is suppose to get satisfaction from bringing up someone he calls his protegee without money being involved,but it is hard to come by such mentorship these days especially on the net.
You should make a search on what you want to be mentored on,when you have someone(people) you specifically contact them and let them know you might just land some one eager to mentor you,even if it is for a fee.Tutelage is pricesless

[808glass]

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

My time is much more valuable to me than a measely $733 per hour. And I freely give of my time to those that demonstrate they have what it takes to benefit from it.

Well, I'm not going to ask... but shoot, I'd kick my own ass to be worth that much an hour. So what's it take Big Mike? What sorta demonstration is needed?!

[John Cabral]

Originally Posted by 808glass

Well, I'm not going to ask... but shoot, I'd kick my own ass to be worth that much an hour. So what's it take Big Mike? What sorta demonstration is needed?!

Heck I would let you kick mine for $100/Hour LOL