Most people waste their time on article directories

14 years ago

I agree that just pumping out lots of articles without carefully planning them will probably do the directories more good than you (if it does any good at all).

Some article marketers really know their stuff, though and they can drive targeted traffic and make real money from their articles.

For me, not being one of them, writing articles has two important purposes:
1. Building backlinks to my websites.
2. Practice. I practice writing by producing articles that don't fit on any of my websites. On the article DBs, I can see what sticks and what doesn't and learn from that. This is how I build my copywriting skills.

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eriktin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ShaneRQR

2. Practice. I practice writing by producing articles that don't fit on any of my websites. On the article DBs, I can see what sticks and what doesn't and learn from that. This is how I build my copywriting skills.

Very important point to consider

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PatriciaJ

14 years ago

Originally Posted by eriktin

The truth is they earn very much than you form your effort.

What do you think about this?

I think that you are wrong. Running an article directory is not a win win business method. It takes a lot of hard work to earn money from article directories and if you write quality articles you are far more likely to make money from each one than any article directory.

If you don't believe me just check out how many article directories fail because it is so difficult to make money from them. I'm sure that if you search for lists of article directories you will find a large amount have disappeared.

What many people tend to forget is that article directories also serve the purpose of offering free content. Good quality articles complete with their links can end up on many websites, blogs and ezines and gain a viral effect. That is worth aiming for.

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eriktin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by PatriciaJ

If you don't believe me just check out how many article directories fail because it is so difficult to make money from them. I'm sure that if you search for lists of article directories you will find a large amount have disappeared.

I also agree, the thing what you're saying it right, but I didn't mean it.

My point of view was the popular direcories.

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affiliated survivor

14 years ago

Of course the article directories make money from my articles. But i don´t have a problem with that. If the backlinks I get and the visitors I still get, after the bounce offs and visitors not clicking on my url, is worth writing articles, I keep writing articles.

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PatriciaJ

14 years ago

Originally Posted by eriktin

I also agree, the thing what you're saying it right, but I didn't mean it.

My point of view was the popular direcories.

Even so good articles should make more money for the authors than any article directory.

Originally Posted by affiliated survivor

Of course the article directories make money from my articles. But i don´t have a problem with that. If the backlinks I get and the visitors I still get, after the bounce offs and visitors not clicking on my url, is worth writing articles, I keep writing articles.

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seanyd

14 years ago

Yes i agree but what other way is their for free traffic

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Willie Crawford

14 years ago

I agree that article certain article directories may earn
more than you from some articles but not all articles that
you post to them.

I also don't care if they earn money as long as my articles
send me traffic cheaper than other alternatives and that
traffic converts.

Often my articles are not written to get direct sales or even
to generate clicks directly, but to build my brand and get
readers in a given niche use to thinking of me as the expert
in that niche, so that when they DO need what I'm selling
my name is one of the first ones that they think of.

I don't write all articles with the goal of an immediate return,
thought that IS my intention with some articles.

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Allen Graves

14 years ago

Not sure where you want to go with this thread. What is your point? That article marketing is a waste of time or that artcle directories are making money off of us?

Allen

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Kay King

14 years ago

I can't find the point either as there is no benefit to worrying about what the directory earns. A well written article that interests readers and has a good call to action in the bio box will get results over the long term.

If the directory is earning more it may only be from people clicking ads to get away from the article.

Living on the internet marketing arena in free times, is one of my top hobby what I'm getting a greater fun!!!!! So, I'm not serious with money, if which types of things I'm offering, which I expect something only for the effort.

If that text from the OP's site is an example, the problem isn't the directory or the visitors.

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Allen Graves

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

If that text from the OP's site is an example, the problem isn't the directory or the visitors.

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing.

Also, a lot of people are making blanket statements and singling out specific places to submit, etc...

It would be nice if you could provide reasons why you say this is so and include some backup for these claims.

To me, someone can make claims and/or tell others what to do all day long, but without any backup all it is to me is wasted bytes amidst white space.

Allen

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Kay King

14 years ago

I think article marketing is great for short term.

In my experience, that statement is wrong because short term is only the beginning.

To this day I get traffic to some sites from articles I wrote YEARS ago (like 5 years ago, for example).

They were good informative articles and were picked up by other sites and I can't even begin to guess how valuable those articles have been to me over the years.

If you write blurbs for quick hits, that may be what you get...and I think from posts here that's what most people consider "article marketing". But there is more to it than that.

While folks post here about "duplication" (a totally non-issue), I'm thrilled when a well ranked site decides to add my article to their pages. It's another way for visitors to find me...and they do.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

No offense, but the way the OP writes, they have no business writing
articles anyway. So I too see little point to this thread.

Sometimes I think it's me...and then I realize that it's those around me who
just don't make any sense.

Saves me a call to my shrink. :rolleyes:

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

No offense, but the way the OP writes, they have no business writing
articles anyway. So I too see little point to this thread.

Sometimes I think it's me...and then I realize that it's those around me who
just don't make any sense.

Saves me a call to my shrink. :rolleyes:

So true Steven ... Plus the fact that the OP failed to do proper research before posting this useless thread..

I thought research was apart of article marketing :confused:

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eriktin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

So true Steven ... Plus the fact that the OP failed to do proper research before posting this useless thread..

I thought research was apart of article marketing :confused:

James

Any one can say any thing due to own awareness. But, could you please explain me that what's the parameter you've used to name this as a useless thread?

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Originally Posted by eriktin

Any one can say any thing due to own awareness. But, could you please explain me that what's the parameter you've used to name this as a useless thread?

1. You assume ALL article directories earn from their authors articles by slapping ads all over them.

2. You are contributing nothing, people already understand how article directories work.

3. You failed to do proper research, some article directories are 100% ad free.

4. Some article directories actually help and advertise their authors articles.

5. Some article directories actually have more tools to help authors with multiple streams of income.

There you go top 5 reasons...

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eriktin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

1. You assume ALL article directories earn from their authors articles by slapping ads all over them.

2. You are contributing nothing, people already understand how article directories work.

3. You failed to do proper research, some article directories are 100% ad free.

4. Some article directories actually help and advertise their authors articles.

5. Some article directories actually have more tools to help authors with multiple streams of income.

There you go top 5 reasons...

James

The only thing what you've done is promoting article directories. And no real answer you've given to mark this thread as useless.
I think I've promoted article directories well before (due to my knowledge), as it becomes useful for most people. Read #26
And next, how you say that "I assume all article directories" Read the original post again carefully.

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Originally Posted by eriktin

The only thing what you've done is promoting article directories. And no real answer you've given to mark this thread as useless.
I think I've promoted article directories well before (due to my knowledge), as it becomes useful for most people. Read #26
And next, how you say that "I assume all article directories" Read the original post again carefully.

I read it several times due to your lack of writing abilities...

Article directory owners earn profits form second group of people.

The truth is they earn very much than you form your effort.

Your post states these 2 points as FACT .. And they are not fact, you are assuming such due to poor research. These may be your "opinion" but they should be stated as your opinion.

There are many changes going on with some article directories right now that many do not know about. I know one owner that is 100% overhauling his site. Article Directories are changing and so is technology and many things are to come that you could only dream about.

My point is - do proper research before stating your opinions as fact because it is very misleading to newbies.

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eriktin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I read it several times due to your lack of writing abilities...
James

I believe that warrior members are ethical and respectable

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by eriktin

I believe that warrior members are ethical and respectable

Huh? What does this even mean as a response to what you responded to?

Somebody please help me out here because I honestly have no idea what
this person is saying or doing here.

Perhaps one too many rounds with the shot glass.

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Huh? What does this even mean as a response to what you responded to?

Somebody please help me out here because I honestly have no idea what
this person is saying or doing here.

Perhaps one too many rounds with the shot glass.

I think it has more to do with "SEE MY SIG" ... Maybe one of those junk ebooks he is selling said "Go to the WF and post a stupid thread just to get your sig seen" ...

Just an opinion though ...

James

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eriktin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I think it has more to do with "SEE MY SIG" ... Maybe one of those junk ebooks he is selling said "Go to the WF and post a stupid thread just to get your sig seen" ...

Just an opinion though ...

James

I'm not an idiot to say like that

Because, it'll give only traffic not profits
Very bad advice :p

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Eric Lorence

14 years ago

Probably a waste of time to reply to this, but in my opinion the OP has no idea what they are talking about.

Aimless and meandering, if there is anything to be taken from this - is that many people waste their time on meaningless discussion threads ...

BTW, the relationship between content creators and website owners is no different with Squidoo, Hubpages, Blogger, Wordpress.com, Youtube, etc ...

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Eric Lorence

Probably a waste of time to reply to this, but in my opinion the OP has no idea what they are talking about.

Aimless and meandering, if there is anything to be taken from this - is that many people waste their time on meaningless discussion threads ...

BTW, the relationship between content creators and website owners is no different with Squidoo, Hubpages, Blogger, Wordpress.com, Youtube, etc ...

Eric, for me, it's entertainment for a dull Friday.

Unfortunately, this is pretty dull entertainment.

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eriktin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Eric, for me, it's entertainment for a dull Friday.

Unfortunately, this is pretty dull entertainment.

Dear Steven, I really respect to you because you're a senior and well experienced member here since long time.
But, you always say that "This thread is useless"
Ok!
If this is useless, why are you replying again and again while wasting your time?

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by eriktin

Dear Steven, I really respect to you because you're a senior and well experienced member here since long time.
But, you always say that "This thread is useless"
Ok!
If this is useless, why are you replying again and again while wasting your time?

I'm bored.

Reason enough?

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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

To the OP.

First off all, your writing is so bad, I'm not really sure what you're trying
to say other than, and I am guessing at this, your claim is essentially the
following:

1. Article directories have more desire to make money off of Adsense clicks
than they have for you to get your article seen, read, and clicked through.

If that's your essential argument, here is why it doesn't hold water.

If an article directory doesn't put an honest effort into presenting a
writer's article in a way that gives them a decent chance to get click
throughs, then those writers will stop using those directories and the
directories themselves will go out of business.

This is a fact as many directories HAVE gone out of business.

The graveyards of the Internet are filled with them.

Obviously, since there are many directories still standing, and I am
personally making a nice living off of them, then your argument is not
true for all.

However, even if it were true for some or many, so what?

You are stating something that is true in any business model. You will
have good and bad in everything.

So what's your point?

That some people are wasting their time with some directories?

So what?

Some people waste their time writing period because they simply can't
write. It has nothing to do with the directory.

Plus, where are the facts to back up what you claim in this thread?

I see none.

What you are saying is based only on your opinion with absolutely nothing
to back it up.

So because of all that I have pointed out above, yes, this thread is
totally worthless. It is poorly thought out and quite honestly, don't even
know why it's still here.

If you can show actual evidence to back up what you are saying (still
not sure what that is) then I might be inclined to change my mind.

However, I doubt you can.

This is just more of somebody giving an opinion with absolutely nothing
of substance to back it up.

In other words...worthless crap.
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eriktin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I can't find the point either as there is no benefit to worrying about what the directory earns. A well written article that interests readers and has a good call to action in the bio box will get results over the long term.

If the directory is earning more it may only be from people clicking ads to get away from the article.

If that text from the OP's site is an example, the problem isn't the directory or the visitors.

kay

Dear kay king, I would like to tell you that "Please read the original thread again very carefully", it clearly says that "Really, it doesn't matter because no body wants to give their server spaces free. And some one can explain it as a win win business model. Yes, I also agree"

So, I can't understand that what you're talking here with abstracting some sentences form my site.

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Kay King 14 years ago

I did read it - and you are taking both sides.

My point was simple. It doesn't matter what an article directory earns. Many readers will not click through but if very few are clicking the problem is the article and/or bio box.

If articles are written in the same form as the text on your site, that could be a problem. That's all I was pointing out. I have high respect for those who are able to write in a second or third language. I can't do it myself.

The writing doesn't have to be perfect - but it must be readable and interesting.

The point is, another one makes profits form your effort, so it a waste if your time and also dedication.

I would guess article directories make more money from poorly written articles as the visitor clicks to get away or move to the next article.

A directory provides you with a free platform to display your articles. It is a waste of time if your article cannot hold the readers interest or create interest in them to click your bio link.

A good article on a good directory yields good results for both author and directory owner. THERE is your "win-win".

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- Paxton 14 years ago
  
  How the directory owners decide to monetize their sites is not something which figures very highly in my marketing procedures.
  
  If the readers click off before they read the full article of fail to click any links in the resource box isn't the fault of the directory owners. It's probably my fault for writing a bad article.
  
  Simple relationship really. You give the directories content and they give you readership and links.
  
  Approximately 17% of my traffic comes from article directories, so what the owners make is of little consequence to me. I know what I make out of the deal and that's fine by me.
  
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eriktin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Not sure where you want to go with this thread. What is your point? That article marketing is a waste of time or that artcle directories are making money off of us?

Allen

YES, Allen I'll explain you
The point is, another one makes profits form your effort, so it a waste if your time and also dedication.

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Allen Graves 14 years ago

Originally Posted by eriktin

YES, Allen I'll explain you
The point is, another one makes profits form your effort, so it a waste if your time and also dedication.

So do you mean that you (the author) dont get anything out of it?'

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- eriktin 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Allen Graves
  
  So do you mean that you (the author) dont get anything out of it?'
  
  Allen
  
  I think you guess back links. Sure, you get them and it's a reason to increase your PR too.
  
  And, apart form that
  
  1.They're excellent for JV's to making trust on his customer's minds.
  
  2.You can follow few selected article directories every day for updating own knowledge about specific subject (But forums are best for this purpose)
  
  3.You can find free contents for own websites or blogs.
  
  4.Very useful for beginners to realize that how well experienced internet marketers make profits (Follow GURUs, Follow)
  
  5.Need to write about something you never heard before. Search on few article directories, find appropriate articles and read very carefully few times. Next write an own article form own words (Not an unethical advice, but don't copy others contents in original format)
  
  6.ShaneRQR has told this before as a reply: improve your writing skills
  
  7.Read articles, grab the contents, create audio clips, share, earn money
  
  8.Read articles, grab the contents, create video clips, share, earn money
  
  9.Read articles, grab the contents, create viral eBooks, share, earn money
  
  Perhaps more, I don't remember
  
  And these are bad and unethical
  
  1.Some bad guys find _____s for ____ ____ and drive more traffic.
  
  2.Stealing original articles.
  
  3.You can create__________ with using ________ articles and possible to get more traffic while__________ them on ______ ________ of forums.
  
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Not sure where you want to go with this thread. What is your point? That article marketing is a waste of time or that artcle directories are making money off of us?

Allen

I agree with Allen, what is your point with this thread?

I make pretty good money from traffic that comes to my sites via clicking a link in a resource box from an article directory. If they (the article directories) can put a little coin in their pocket too, that's great, doesn't bother me at all.

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Article marketing is dead... blogging is alive. That's what it is.
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eapen john

14 years ago

Prior to submitting one's articles into article directories, one need to take care of the following things,

1. Where to submit ? First of all you should decide the article directory where you will be submitting - the best ones are Ezinearticles.com, Squidoo.com, Blogger. Google search engine loves these directories.

2. Choosing the right keyword for your Niche is very very important. You can use Google Keyword Tool for this. Or Use Yahoo.com to see the competition of your keyword. Its better to use long tail keywords than broad ones.

3. Your article should add real value to the topic. for that you need an indepth research on that topic. Don't ever write your articles as a Sales Copy. No one will read it. Leave that for your website.

4. Uniqueness is the next important thing. Your article should be very much your own and each one should be unique. Also see that the keyword density is 2-3 %. That is for a 300 word count article your keyword should appear atleast 3-4 times.

5. Next is creating backlinks. Submit your articles in social booking sites such as digg.com and technorati.com though there are a number of sites, these two are the best. Also give quality comments on related articles with a good page rank. For checking the page rank you can use Seoquake. I think it works only with Mozilla Firefox browser.

6. And be consistent in your writing, i.e. atleast post 2-3 articles everyday.

I think if you just stick to these rules, article marketing will surely be a great success.

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Terry Loving 14 years ago

Thank you for the specific list to get organized and started with articles. I have been doing too much reading and now ACTION is what will help me move ahead. Appreciate the experience shared.
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Mountainmotorman

14 years ago

If you cannot see the need and usefullness of article directories, then you need to learn CPA again. The backlinks alone make them IMPORTANT parts of marketing. Who cares how much they make.... WHAT DID IT DO FOR YOU!!!!! How did it help YOU and your plight to promote what you are doing. That is what you need to understand FIRST and really all you should care about.

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Allan Rich

14 years ago

I think article marketing is great for short term... but essentially your just the construction worker and the directory itself is the property developer.

Your just working for a quick check while he's making long term income and making all the money.

Build your own empire. Don't let someone else determine the fate of your business/income. What happens if the article directory shuts down or pulls all your articles?

Just my 2 cents.

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zachary0611

14 years ago

If you use free services like article directories you should expect them to make some kind of money off of you
blogger takes a percentage of your adsense but you get a website for free

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Originally Posted by eriktin

As we know, free article submission is great method to earn profits via internet with different methods and no doubt there at all.

But I think most people waste their time on article directories.

Because, it requires very important and also careful considerations before preparing an article for marketing purposes (or any) like using appropriate keywords, keyword phases, proper keyword densities, strong call to action.......etc.

In the scenario, you have to waste your time and knowledge with deep thinking.

And ultimately, your dedication and effort sends traffic to article directories.

Actually, it doesn't matter if the reader would have been visited your destination site via the resource box URL.

But

1.What do you think about the readers who stop the process after reading?
2.What do you think about the readers who continue the procedure with out clicking on resource box URL?

Article directory owners earn profits form second group of people.

Really, it doesn't matter because no body wants to give their server spaces free. And some one can explain it as a win win business model. Yes, I also agree.

The truth is they earn very much than you form your effort.

What do you think about this?

(N: B, Is post isn't directly aimed any article directory or the purpose of the post isn't to making damages for any ones business)

Not all article directories have ads plastered all over the authors articles as some are 100% ad free and some article directory owners actually advertise their authors articles for free... I do not mean advertising the site itself but actually advertising the authors actual article.

You see not everyone is out to stick it to authors that provide content..

So I think you post needs modified a bit as it is not all article directories.

James

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by eriktin

The truth is they earn very much than you form your effort.

What do you think about this?

(N: B, Is post isn't directly aimed any article directory or the purpose of the post isn't to making damages for any ones business)

Don't under estimate the effort of the article directories in putting their sites together and marketing them. You as an article submitter do not share in their costs of that.

In the end it is just another vehicle that is available to those who are doing shoestring marketing. Don't knock their hustle.

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Terry Crim

14 years ago

My thoughts on article directories are that many people focus on a select few of them and expect that the results they want to achieve will either be long lasting or if something happens like their account is locked, removed or they get banned for some reason all the time they spent and income or branding just vanishes.

I am good at creating sites that get their content listed in SE's within 30 minutes or less. There are thousands of sites that have great SE weight and that get a lot of people with money clicking all over that will consume your content and products / services.

The issue I have with article directories is that some people entirely focus on them and only a very select few at that.

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Terry Crim

My thoughts on article directories are that many people focus on a select few of them and expect that the results they want to achieve will either be long lasting or if something happens like their account is locked, removed or they get banned for some reason all the time they spent and income or branding just vanishes.

I am good at creating sites that get their content listed in SE's within 30 minutes or less. There are thousands of sites that have great SE weight and that get a lot of people with money clicking all over that will consume your content and products / services.

The issue I have with article directories is that some people entirely focus on them and only a very select few at that.

- Terry

Yep very true ... I see it all the time.. "Well I submit to the top 5 article directories" What they do not realize is they are limiting themselves drastically ...

James

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Bev Clement

14 years ago

Steven it is simple really. There are 2 answers here.

1) Try reading it in Cockney, it works

Ask Adam Carn he translated the last one we were all confused about

2) It's someone who pretends to be a foreigner with bad english, whereas the real person is someone who has been banned.

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showbizvet

14 years ago

Long thread.. good info.. Like what Willie Crawford said... build the brand, and what ShaneRQR said about improving your skillset.

At the very least, you're putting another link out there, can't seem to find an objection to doing that. It does take time and research to do a good article, but that isn't anything new. Think back before the net (if anyone is that old), and it's so much easier now.

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Kay King 14 years ago

Bev - explains the high number of really dumb posts since joining 2 days ago.

After that last comment he made surprised anyone would still answer. But the website in the signature and the main site it's located on are really a couple of gems...well, maybe not gems. More like rocks.

kay
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- Paxton 14 years ago
  
  Totally confused now. The OP's signature site deal with a collection of EBooks which may well be fantastic as far as I know... or not.
  
  Regardless of the quality of the books however, the advice in the sales page is
  
  "You can create thousands of own articles with grabbing the contents of these eBooks (re-write in own words or spin them)"
  
  Seems strange that somebody advising potential customers to "create thousands of articles" would be knocking article directories.
  
  Oh well, might be all part of a bigger plan.
  
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McManigal

14 years ago

I say use your great articles for sales, and use your less stellar articles for links.

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techseol

14 years ago

Majority of search traffic is based on content! No doubt on that!

If you can write some 100 great articles on your site, you certainly can get minimum 100 visits a day on ur site!

thats my principle!!

Decode it if u want! (hehe)

I use free article submission only 2 build backlinks

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ebooks4u

14 years ago

I get a nice amount of continious traffic from my articles at Ezinearticles alone. It's a great way to get free traffic, so why not use it? :-)

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hamed

14 years ago

This thread is useless. I see no point to this thread.

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eriktin 14 years ago

Originally Posted by hamed

This thread is useless. I see no point to this thread.

It's your own mention, No matter at all
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Sumit Menon

14 years ago

They make profit on you when you're watching your 'guilty pleasure'. They make profit on you when you're in the hospital. Dang, they even made profit on you the whole time you were connected to the internet while writing this stupid post.

When you bought Windows/MAC you helped Bill Gates/Steve Jobs make billions of dollars that year. How do you sleep in the night with that? How do you look at yourself in the mirror knowing that you helped some already rich people become even more richer?

STOP Whining.. Get A Life! Consider what's in it for you NOT what's in it for them!

Sumit.

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Alminc 14 years ago

All article directories in the world are built for one noble purpose - giving me backlinks and traffic and promoting me as the expert!
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eriktin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sumit Menon

When you bought Windows/MAC you helped Bill Gates/Steve Jobs make billions of dollars that year. How do you sleep in the night with that? How do you look at yourself in the mirror knowing that you helped some already rich people become even more richer?

Really interesting

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wkly10k 14 years ago

Interesting exchanges here...... i though the article sub stuff was a great idea.... not good to see name calling though......
THANX!!
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Andrea Wilson

13 years ago

Its not a total waste of time because it is a part of the technique to get free traffic. I agree that it is a win-win situation and one must abide with the rules for their article to be accepted. You dont have to submit in a lot o directories anyway and if you are having a hard time on submissions then automate it with a software.

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Rich Lowe

13 years ago

Hi

I totally agree with what kay says where she point out "A well written article that interests readers and has a good call to action in the bio box will get results over the long term."

It couldn't be said any better. If you understant this concept you will have success.

Rich

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