Article Spinning - What are you thoughts?

[mrlucky8ball]

Do you use article spinning? Have you ever? I have never used it before but I just don't see how it it can be a good thing. Your content would be practically the same.

[vlduffy]

I did not like the spinner that I tried. Not only was the content the same, it came out un-readable. I spent so much time editing it, I could have just written a new article. I do like Quick article pro though. It is like a internet researcher. The info still needs to be put into a logical order, but you have alot of info to work with.

[McManigal]

They are good for several reasons. If you are submitting to hundreds of article directories then you should at least have your anchor text spun don't you think? So Google doesn't think you spammed the directories.

[McManigal]

Plus you can hit more keyword phrases and get more articles to rank higher in searches etc.

[showbizvet]

Here's another thread on the topic

What's the point of an article spinner?

[techseol]

Of all the experiments I hv conducted in SEO domain over the last 3 years, the one I found a disaster is article spinning!

I used this technique on a number of High PR blogs (10+ I hope), I continued for 2 or 3 months and alas..all of them got banned in google!

Article spinning sucks! Stay away from it!

Always write for Humans and not 4 machines. I know it takes time but in the long run, you will be more than happy..

cheers

[David Wolfman]

Originally Posted by techseol

I used this technique on a number of High PR blogs (10+ I hope), I continued for 2 or 3 months and alas..all of them got banned in google!

I find similar voices from other sources.

Google gets smarter every day and as link farms got banned same happens to artificial blogs created only for the purpose of backlinks. Even if you do get tons of backlinks they have no value and can hurt you in the long run.

If you do everything with end user in mind you will be fine. Deliver quality for both humans and SE's.

In the future position in listings will not be determined by links but by the relevance of content, so if you want your site to stay for a while you must do things the right way from the start.

[Anthony J Namata]

I was waiting for someone to talk about this. I never bothered with article spinning. Matter of fact, I thought it was damned crazy idea. Thank goodness you guys have told it like it is on here.

[AndyBlackSEO]

Article spinning works for some and not for others. Those that claim to have had their sites banned by google due to spinning means you were doing it wrong. Period! Or EVEN placing the spun articles on the same site?! Which is not what it's about.

The article creation tool I use doesn't spin variations of the same content so the articles vary contextually. If you know what you are doing when creating articles in this manner you can do very well with it. Unfortunatly not many people actually know how to use these tools effectively.

[acrasial]

(Hahaha what a topic. I am just waiting for ones who dislike spinning to offer more two cents...)

MrLuckyBall, if you have done your research on this forum, you would find that some may feel as if spinning may reduce the quality of the content, wherein it becomes simply "derivative content". As well, a bunch of other arguments that I don't feel like listing, but you get the point there.

If you think it's worth your time, then make it worth your time and ensure that you are getting the full potential out of doing it, other wise, why even do it? I am sure you understand that anyways, but some people may be making it worth their time.

[eriktin]

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[Glenn Leader]

My experience is the complete opposite of many. I've
had Blogger blogs for years, still earning income, using
nothing but properly spun articles.

I think the problem for most people is that they want
to post a lot of spun articles in a short span of time.
My approach is to post just two or three spun articles
a week using my automated posting system.

I fly completely under the radar, and I can get instant
back links from my Blog empire any time I need them.
These are valuable resources for me, and they'll never
get abused.

You need to understand the motives of some Nay
Sayers. Many of them have never tried using good
spinning tools, they just base their opinion on the ones
others post. Others have only used the crap tools out
there, you'll never get good results from them, let alone
great results. The final group of people are writers,
and they obviously consider article spinning to be a
threat to their business.

Does article spinning work? Yes, but you have to use
the right tools, and common sense too.

Want proof? article rewriter software

HTH

Glenn

[UBotBuddy]

Glenn is absolutely correct. That ceiling level is important. WHen I first started building my network I made about 100 blogger blogs. Ten of which had been built slowly the other 90 the fast track. Fast forward...I still have the ten sites. The other 90 wer zapped almost as fast as I had created them. I was adding 2-5 a day. Had I slowed down to 2-3 a week then I would probably still have the vast majority of them.

[sanjid112]

Originally Posted by mrlucky8ball

Do you use article spinning? Have you ever? I have never used it before but I just don't see how it it can be a good thing. Your content would be practically the same.

Yes, sometimes I used it. Why? to save my time, when I need to produce a lot of it in one single day. Is it worth enough? Yes, to save my time, at least. But, no, if you are looking for some quality articles. And, absolutely no, when you are 100% depend on it. Even you use article spinning, you still must read it again before you posts it. However, software cannot beat human brain.

-Malik

[DogScout]

If you put them on blogs on the same host account, there are other steps you must take. (Or even different accounts with the same host sometimes.)
A) robot text that denies access from the main root of the account.
B)some hosts make a different IP for each domain automatically. Some do not! If yours does not, you need to buy 'dedicated IP for each domain on that account. Otherwise, Google will see your blogs as all just being one large site with a lot of similar content.

If the spinner you use just changes the common words (uses 'whilst' in place of 'while' for example) spinning is a waste of time. If you use a spinner that takes what is essentially two articles written so that any sentence (or phrase) can be interchanged with any other sentence or phrase in the other article and it still flows well, then you can spin 1,000 articles safely that humans will find easy, interesting and informative reads.

& like SiteBlaster said, timing is everything. Lol, Common sense and patience go a long way in any business and even further in this one.

If spinning is something you want to do, I suggest watching threads like this one. You will see a pattern of successful article marketers who use spinner services. (Not all are programs and most of the really good ones are web based. Some of the REALLY good ones have humans that re-write parts of the articles and/or edit results; but can be more expensive.) Eventually you will see who is a good person to PM about where to be spinning your articles safely AND effectively without worry of Google breathing down your neck.

[milan]

Originally Posted by techseol

Of all the experiments I hv conducted in SEO domain over the last 3 years, the one I found a disaster is article spinning!

I used this technique on a number of High PR blogs (10+ I hope), I continued for 2 or 3 months and alas..all of them got banned in google!

Article spinning sucks! Stay away from it!

Always write for Humans and not 4 machines. I know it takes time but in the long run, you will be more than happy..

Lol, if your blogs got banned this way it's because of garbage content, not because of the way you got that content. When used properly, article spinning produces articles for human.

There is no reason for anybody to ban quality spinned content.

[nettech]

If spun 'properly' it can work absolute wonders. The best tool? Without a doubt MS Word, use it to develop your content as opposed to using all the other programs that are available on the market. That way, you have a source file that can generate many articles and which can be of quality.

Articles that I have spun are always checked many times over to ensure that they maintain their quality and add value and not just for backlink value although one shoudl not just rely on spun content all the time, its a fine balance.

[scfc16]

NO NO NO !!! spun blog articles , won't work ! I prefer original content, that provides organic traffic, and has no risk of being picked up as duplicate in google.

Cheap - and NASTY !!!

[Hesaidblissfully]

Tried it once when I very first started trying to sell online. Ended up with articles that had to be re-writtten anyway. If you're going to use the same source articles, you're probably better off just re-writing them manually.

Boy I can see some uneducated people.. No offense to anyone but those of you that just downgrade article spinning obviously have no idea what you are doing and you should not be giving bad advice to others.

It did not work for you because you used the wrong tool and used it the wrong way.

Fact is and this has been proven many times on this forum by myself, glenn, and others... Article Spinning does work and it has many uses besides just submitting to article directories.

This is a few reasons why you spin articles

1. More publishers will pickup your articles and post them on their blog because they do like fresh content and not the same article that is posted on a million other blogs.

2. Spinning the article will give you a better chance at targeting other keywords that you may left out of the original.

3. Having different versions of the article posted on article directories, blogs, and etc looks more professional if you are trying to come accross as an expert in your niche. Posting the same article over and over and over just looks like blatant spam.

4. Spun articles give you a great chance to create mini blog post, pdf docs, short reports for list building, and etc.. The uses are almost unlimited.

5. We have no idea what the future holds and if you are posting to 50 article directories and have 50 different versions of your article then you are already prepared for what changes site owners or search engines may make a few years down the road. In otherwords it's best to be safe than sorry, if 25 of those article directories decide they no longer what dup content then guess what all your hard work goes out the window.. Unless ofcourse you was working smart and submitted spun articles.

Spun articles as I said can be used for far more than just submitting to article directories. but let's look at this anyway...

Those that say they have no idea what 100 articles on the same subject is used for, you really need to read this and keep in mind the below is only a small example of what spun articles can be used for.

I can take 1 article and spin it 20 times and then do the following:

Use 1 to submit to article directories
Use 1 to create a short report to build opt-in list
Use 1 to create a video articles to post on How-To video sites
Use 2 to create a squidoo lens
Use 2 to create a hubpage
Use 3 (the summaries) and post to 20 related blogs
Use 2 to post to my blog
Use 5 to post to the top 5 social networks that have a blog function
Use 3 to post to news release sites

Image what I could do with 100 or 150 .. You see I am provided 100% unique content for videos, squidoo, hubpages and ect .. Not all content is the same as it is spun "PROPERLY" ...

For those that say they can spot a spun article a mile away I promise you can not when that article is used with the proper tool and is written properly. Those that say articles that are spun have no "feeling" -- Wrong again ..

I can prove both of the above wrong and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. I can produce articles that have all the feelings you want and you will never be able to tell the original from the spun one.

James

[McManigal]

I think people that have bad things to say about article spinning just tried the wrong one and then drew their conclusion from that. You can't just insert your article and then push a spin button to have the whole thing spun in a second by a computer.

The ones that assist you to do it by hand so that they sound good are the ones you should base your opinions off of.

[bingitbaby]

When spinning and article make sure it's not just changing a few words. (I think someone said that above lol) But it's true. The article has to make sense when read but should be some what different than the first.

Remember this, there will be real people reading that article, for that reason alone, make sure the article makes sense and flows well.

You should not write a sales pitch either. It should give some basic info of what you are talking about (don't give away the farm) and make sense. Then kindly direct them to your website for more important information.

Write from the heart also.

Well I got off the subject, but anyway, I hope that helps as well.

Sincerely,

Randy Thomas

Originally Posted by bingitbaby

When spinning and article make sure it's not just changing a few words. (I think someone said that above lol) But it's true. The article has to make sense when read but should be some what different than the first.

That is the mistake many make, replacing words with some pre-set database... Thus why many end up with junk articles that sound just like the other ones (assuming they are even written proper to begin with)..

This is why you write by paragraph, changing the entire paragraph..

The buzz is that article writing is the thing to do if you are marketing anything on the Internet. It is the number one choice for marketers to bring people to their web sites as one can add a link in the bio at the end of the article. However, not everyone writes articles for that reason.

The current thinking going around is that writing articles is one of the best things you can do when you are marketing your products on the web. By far this is one of the top choices for marketers to drive extra traffic to their websites, because as an author you can include links in your resource box towards the end of the article. You should take notice though that not all marketers will do article writing for this reason.

No there is no push button solution and never will be...

James

[Brandon Tanner]

It's amazing how many people say that article spinning doesn't work whenever this subject comes up. They might as well say that "marketing" doesn't work, lol. It would make about as much sense.

If you're doing it incorrectly of course it doesn't work. But if you do it right it works amazingly well. There is a HUGE difference between doing it the wrong way and doing it the right way, regardless of whether you use a software program for the task or not.

[Ron Razor]

If I write my articles myself I dont spin them, I know they are quality and want to keep them unique. However, if I use an outside service for the article I almost always spin them. Quality is going to be lower, so might as well get as many backlinks as I can from them.

[techseol]

I strongly discourage the use of Article Spinner bcz it can sometimes hurt your Rankings

[JohnMcCabe]

Looking at the issue from the viewpoint of the end publisher, here's how I see it...

If you submit an article to me, and I can't tell if it's spun or not, you did it right. If the article fits what I'm looking for, and the quality is there, I'll use it.

The problem is that so many people refuse to make any effort towards doing things right.

As far as building networks for linking/SEO purposes, I think Glenn Leader nailed it - appear natural and fly under the radar.

Originally Posted by techseol

I strongly discourage the use of Article Spinner bcz it can sometimes hurt your Rankings

Enlighten us on how it can hurt your rankings because I can show you at least 20 people right now where it does not hurt their rankings.

Since you brought it up though please show us ...

Fact is properly spinning articles with a proper tool does in fact produce very high quality articles that are unique..

James

[Glenn Leader]

Originally Posted by techseol

I strongly discourage the use of Article Spinner bcz it can sometimes hurt your Rankings

Are you going to support your argument, or just make
a statement and expect us all to agree with you?

Glenn

Originally Posted by Glenn Leader

Are you going to support your argument, or just make
a statement and expect us all to agree with you?

Glenn

I am wondering the same Glenn ... People just seem to spout off at the mouth without anything to back it up because of what they heard someplace else or they tried to use a garbage article with a garbage spinner..

James

[Glenn Leader]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I am wondering the same Glenn ... People just seem to spout off at the mouth without anything to back it up because of what they heard someplace else or they tried to use a garbage article with a garbage spinner..

James

James,

My next development will be an autoposting forum
BS poster. Generates BS on the fly. Lookout for my
WSO soon

Originally Posted by Glenn Leader

My next development will be an autoposting forum
S poster. Generates BS on the fly. Lookout for my
WSO soon

Can I have a review copy please ....

James

[Glenn Leader]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Can I have a review copy please ....

James

This is the Warrior Forum, not Digital Point :P

Originally Posted by Glenn Leader

This is the Warrior Forum, not Digital Point :P

LOL .. I see you been reading the same threads as I have ....

Still waiting on a answer techseol, so please do not leave us hanging here.

James

[Arizona]

I personally have used article spinning. My opinion is that while yes, it does take time to edit the article, you will definitely end up with many more articles.

The key thing to remember is that you will need the time to commit to spinning an article. But if you have the passion to write as I do, it really is not that big of a deal and you will not consider it work.

In the long run, you will end up with many, many more articles and get more traffic if you just take the time to spin articles. I personally like spinning articles and will continue to do it because it has brought me a lot of traffic that I would not have had otherwise.

Do a search on Josephine Monty and you will see what I am talking about.

Keep writing and spinning! It really will help you long term.

[H.Miller]

I personally don't like article spinners. Your article basically stays the same other than a few words. I just prefer to write my articles myself.

Originally Posted by H.Miller

I personally don't like article spinners. Your article basically stays the same other than a few words. I just prefer to write my articles myself.

It is obvious you did not read much of this thread.. Ever think that maybe you did not use the tool properly is why it does not work for you ??

Sorry but a proper spun article does NOT stay the same with a few word changes..

James

[warmlikecoffee]

I've developed an article spinner which is in beta right now.

Video of the software in action can be watched here:
http://thecontentpirate.com/video.html

PM me if you would like access to the open beta!

[Craig McPherson]

I reckon spinning articles in the correct fashion is a fantastic leverage tool.

There, I vote for it and I don't even have a link in my sig file promoting one.

[Glenn Leader]

Originally Posted by warmlikecoffee

I've developed an article spinner which is in beta right now.

Video of the software in action can be watched here:
URL 8< snipped


PM me if you would like access to the open beta!

It's forbidden to directly promote your products
like this. I suggest you edit it before a mod
deletes it.

HTH

Glenn

[milan]

Nothing works, ever. You should not try to do anything it's all a conspiracy. All the things can only hurt you. Just stay home and do nothing.

[Allen Graves]

You know, I see how article spinning can work if the user is educated on how to spin the content and then use it properly.

I have had Glen's install program on my desktop for months and have been approached by others to look at their content spinners.

The one and only thing that is keeping me from doing it is the amoun of time it seem like it will take to properly spin the content.

I know you're gonna say I could take one piece of content, spend a couple of hours and then have 50 wonderful articles...but I am having a problem seeing how the 50 different articles would not be duplicate content...i.e. the boy dropped a bucket/the young man fumbled a pail.

Then there's the obvious issue of using the content. I would have to make the time to publish/syndicate the content either on my own sites or other places online. I don't know if I would be able to do that on my schedule...I'd have to make a drastic change somewhere else to create the time it would take to properly use a spinner.

I don't know - if there were 25 hours in a day, maybe I could manage it.

Allen

[JohnMcCabe]

Allen, you know what's coming don't you?

"Just outsource it to the {Phillipines | Third World | India}"

BTW, I love the half-staff avatar...

[Ron Razor]

I dont think article spinners ever hurt your ratings, I think that it is possible that they do not help your ratings, but there is no evidence to support a decrease in rating.

[jacksonlin]

The question should be whether or not you are putting the "spun" content on your site or on other sites to get backlinks.

Also, what do you consider being "spun"? I have articles re-written by humans 3 times each, then each paragraph is randomly "spun" together by the program I use. No matter how you read it, the articles make sense and appear "unique" - but they are nonetheless "spun".

I am talking about using Article Marketing Automation, Unique Article Wizard, Free Traffic System and the like. All of them allow you to "spin" and encourage you to do what I just told you.

[Darth Executor]

Originally Posted by SiteBlaster

Glenn is absolutely correct. That ceiling level is important. WHen I first started building my network I made about 100 blogger blogs. Ten of which had been built slowly the other 90 the fast track. Fast forward...I still have the ten sites. The other 90 wer zapped almost as fast as I had created them. I was adding 2-5 a day. Had I slowed down to 2-3 a week then I would probably still have the vast majority of them.

Did you make all your blogs on the same blogger account?

[Allen Graves]

Originally Posted by jacksonlin

The question should be whether or not you are putting the "spun" content on your site or on other sites to get backlinks.

Just wondering what the answer to that question is.

Allen

[drwhogoesthere]

Personally I don't spin my articles. I try to write good content and get it out to as many sites as I can. Quality over quantity every time.

[BigRedNotebook]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

For those that say they can spot a spun article a mile away I promise you can not when that article is used with the proper tool and is written properly. Those that say articles that are spun have no "feeling" -- Wrong again ..

I can prove both of the above wrong and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. I can produce articles that have all the feelings you want and you will never be able to tell the original from the spun one.

James

James- I'd love to take that challenge. I'm not saying that I'll be able to tell the two apart, but I'd like to do some compare/contrast with what someone in your position considers a "properly spun" article.

Care to share a few examples?

Carson

Originally Posted by BigRedNotebook

James- I'd love to take that challenge. I'm not saying that I'll be able to tell the two apart, but I'd like to do some compare/contrast with what someone in your position considers a "properly spun" article.

Care to share a few examples?

Carson

Carson,
I have posted many many times on this subject along with examples and so has Glenn... You see the problem many people have is they used a junk spinner to begin with so the "assume" all spinners are the same.

Some article spinners are actually human controlled and not some so-called push button magic. When you have a spinner that is 100% human controlled then the articles that are spun are using that writers exact words and not some pre-set database of words..

World of a difference between a human spinner and a spinner that uses all those {|} with a pre-set database of words. This is why all my articles, you could never ever tell the original from the spun, Because every single word was written by myself as the author and not some machine.

Personally I really do not feel like looking up those threads if they even still exist. But I posted a small example in one of these threads the other day... It gets to the point where someone really gets tired of repeating themselves over and over...

James