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Old 11-07-2009, 03:40 PM   #1
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Default Newbee Overwhelm: The Difficulty Of Succeeding at IM

This is a saga of one newbee’s overwhelm at making any real money in IM, but I’m sure tons of newbees can relate.

I came to IM about a year ago because it seemed like a lot of people, no smarter, internet-savvy or harder working than myself, were making a good 5-figure-per-month income in affiliate, CPA, or other type of Internet Marketing, so I figured I could too.

And, of course, there’s no shortage of gurus and “experts” hawking their courses that will teach you how they went from “zero to 25K in their first 30 days” and how “you can too!” Plus some much more balanced offers from non-hypey, “you-gotta-work-hard” realists like Jeremy Kelsall, John Chow, Ed Dale’s 30-Day Challenge, and others. And tons of free info here on Warrior, which I joined early on.

But statistics show as few a 3-5% of those who learn the steps, put up sites and work at IM, ever make any real money at it. Even taking into account the 40% or so who purchase “blueprints” but never read or work at applying them, that still leaves an awfully large percentage who just never make it.

Learning the steps to niche choosing, good keyword research, putting up nice Wordpress sites, and adding some good content and backlinks is clear enough, but actually making money at it is another thing. I’ve put up several sites like this, with all these steps followed to a “T” and all required content added, but they never seem to get visible in the SERPS. When I contact those course mentors who actually answer their emails & forums, they say things like, “Oh well, that’s because you didn’t do this or add this,” or “for that niche you’ll need an opt-in box w/ a free report or a whole separate squeeze page”, or ”you really need to get into Youtube and add much more Social Bookmarking backlinks”, or any number of extra details not clarified in their course materials.

Then you start visiting the empires of the IMers who are making boatloads of money, you know, the ones like Ewen Chia or Kern or Callen who send you at least 2 email offers every day, and you see how “dialed in” there sites and their connections are, and you start thinking, “Man, I’m never gonna be able to learn or include all this” and start thinking it ain’t never going to work.

Now I know entrepreneurship and building your own successful home-based business is hard. That’s why so many keep working for someone else, even though it’s 9 – 5, the pay’s not as good and someone else is their boss.

But as a newbee, mastering all the intricacies of building a successful online business, making sure I learn and include all the extra details and connections that the real money-makers do, the ones that aren’t taught, can seem very overwhelming. I’ve put a lot of time & research into it, much more than I needed for actually building the sites, and I still feel like I only know half of what I need to make it all click. Sometimes I wish I could find a mentor who has actually done it all, who would work with me daily until I got each piece, with nothing left out. Although there are offers from some who will mentor you for $1000 or so, through every step of building a site that actually succeeds, it’s hard to trust any of these strangers. After all, if they can build a site that promises to bring in 15K-30K in a year, why would they waste their time teaching you to do it for a measly 1K, why not just build more of their own sites for much more profit?

I haven’t given up yet. I’m still working away, learning and adding a little every day, and I hope someday my sites have just the right elements and traffic optimization to start making some daily sales. But if anybody ever says Internet Marketing is a fast, easy way to start bringing in a few thousand extra dollars a month, tell ‘em, “Bull, it’s a lot harder and more detailed than you think.”

I welcome any other perspectives.
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Default Re: Newbee Overwhelm: The Difficulty Of Succeeding at IM

You are absolutely right, thanks for the insight. Definately not that easy to make money in this field. I still want to meet the person that really made his first 10000 in profit within a week. It takes a while, but the best thing about it, is that if you persist, you can make money with IM.

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Good attitude, even though you've had problems.

These times will be looked on as the golden years for online marketing so don't blow it.

Re-assess what you're doing and don't give up.


At the heart, online business is really simple - for most models.

1:- Have an offer:

2:- Get (a lot of) interested people to look at the offer:

3:- Get enough of them to take an action that results in you earning money:

That's it.

You can actually experiment and test your way to a successful online business - rather inexpensively.

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Yours is not an uncommon story. While a newbie, I have been working on IM for almost 5 years. I have made a ton of mistakes, but always feel like I am one step closer to real success. It is definitely not an overnight, easy way to wealth. Thanks for sharing.
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Thanks TL. Re: your simple overview:

"At the heart, online business is really simple - for most models.

1:- Have an offer:

2:- Get (a lot of) interested people to look at the offer:

3:- Get enough of them to take an action that results in you earning money:

That's it."


Having an offer that many thousands of people would find valuable is no problem. For me, (and many other newbs, I'll bet) 90% of the difficulty is in #2, getting them to see the offer. For that, you gotta get to Google pg.1 or 2, or you could have the best offer ever and no one will ever know. And getting to Google pg.1 or 2, even with loads of keyword research and backlinking, can be a bitch. Seems like there's always tons of competitors in front of you who know all the latest tricks you don't know for grabbing Google's attention and top spots.
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" But if anybody ever says Internet Marketing is a fast, easy way to start bringing in a few thousand extra dollars a month, tell ‘em, “Bull, it’s a lot harder and more detailed than you think.”
Damm right. Listen ... you are in the publishing business.. that's it .. top and bottom.. what have you got I want to read? (and then click) Go to Google news.. look for the smaller stories.. Hint..dog bites man no story... man bits dog.. headline.

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IM to me is not a skill but a craft with a large skill set. At the moment I am working on learning to be a better writer by writing. On and Off page SEO and effective back linking. As I figure out each skill I will add others and then come back and refine my iolder skill. As the old Joke any one can eat elephant 1 bite at a time

This space is a bit like my mind. Empty
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Thanks TL. Re: your simple overview:

"At the heart, online business is really simple - for most models.

1:- Have an offer:

2:- Get (a lot of) interested people to look at the offer:

3:- Get enough of them to take an action that results in you earning money:

That's it."


Having an offer that many thousands of people would find valuable is no problem. For me, (and many other newbs, I'll bet) 90% of the difficulty is in #2, getting them to see the offer. For that, you gotta get to Google pg.1 or 2, or you could have the best offer ever and no one will ever know. And getting to Google pg.1 or 2, even with loads of keyword research and backlinking, can be a bitch. Seems like there's always tons of competitors in front of you who know all the latest tricks you don't know for grabbing Google's attention and top spots.
Search engine traffic is absolutely not the only way to get prospects to see your offers.

You're making a big mistake if you believe it's the only way.

There are numerous proven methods/tactics other than obtaining search engine traffic - free or paid.

Although, free ongoing search engine traffic is just about the holy grail when it comes to traffic - it's not the only way.


You need to slowly but surely become a master of at least 1 traffic gen strategy and then another and then another etc.


Every newbie wants to ask these questions


This thread will lead you to a pdf that contains all the WF threads that have the word traffic in it.

It's by Michael Mayo and it's a little more than half way down the page.


All The Best!!

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Putting your offer in front of enough people is definately the tricky part of this industry if you haven't mastered the skill of marketing. I would highly suggest just like a post above, master 1 traffic generation method and move on from there.

When you master 1 traffic method and you start making sales or building a list, then the other traffic methods will come a ton easier.

-Example-

If you get to the point where you can generate 10-20 new leads a month with PPC (Pay-Per Click) advertising, then invite them to join you on your social media sites. The more followers you have the more "attractive you will look to more people.

Also, when it comes to say blogging. If you are building a steady list, whenever you post some valuable information on your blog, send out an email blast to your list. Make sure that you are putting all the proper bookmarketing and "tweet this" apps on your blog.

As your list get's more involved with your blog they will start to share it with their Twitter and Facebook friends and you will start to see the "viral" marketing aspect. (Their friends will then become leads)

Hence, the bigger your list is growing and the more people will visit your blog and share it with their people. It is a neverending growth process.

Eventually you will be building a list on autopilot and you will see tons more sales for less cost per sale.

Hope that helps.

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If you look at the big picture, it really IS pretty damn simple. The concept is simple but it does take time learning the small details of things like HTML, writing salescopy, ect.

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Thanks everybody.

I can dig the "learn one SEO/traffic strategy at a time" concept, and I'm willing to do that, although I must confess to wishing it was easier and more streamlined. PPC, list building, article writing, forum posting, making sure you're hooked up to all the Web 2.0 outlets...so many inroads to cover, feels rather overwhemling.

Currently I'm only pursuing free traffic generating, since I was warned that, as a newbie, I could blow a more money on Adwords then I make from my newish sites. So I've been doing the eZine article/Squidoo/Hubpages/forum posting backlinking thing (as learned from Don & Jeremy's IM Bootcamp), but so far my sites are only indexed, not ranking.

I'm also trying out George Brown's Google Sniper micro-niche/keyword-leading-to-quick-page-1-ranking concept on a few new sites/niches.

I will keep working with these, but am open to any other methods. Writing and placing all those article backlinks is rather tedious for me, plus the hassle of rejected articles and forums that don't allow sig links, and for all the time it takes, it doesn't seem to guarantee any increase in your traffic.
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Business is business, no matter where you do it.. be it offline in your local area, be it online with a potential global audience. This is something all newbies overlook.. with that said, it is completely realistic to make large sums of money in a short space of time.. but man, you gotta work for it.

I think if you don't enjoy at least one aspect of IM then it might not work, but if you can find just one thing that gives you joy, you'll make it.

There is no magic button that will spit cash outta your computer, at least not when first starting out. Many aren't told that if you wanna make it online you need to sit your ass down, focus and actually do something.

But, that doesn't make it hard. There's always outsourcing if you can afford it, if not, well.. things don't have to be perfect.. I'll say that again things do not have to be perfect to make it work. And waiting around for your sites to show up in Google isn't a good business model, at least in my experience.

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I can only speak from personal experience here, but as a business person I want my business to continue to grow. I don't offer a mentor service or anything like that, but I hear what you're saying and I see comments like this a fair bit.

So here's my take on it.. I don't look at things from a personal point of view.. I don't see the money that's coming in through my efforts as "mine", I see it as "the businesses" money.. and I consider myself to have a decent business head, and if there's a way of ethically increasing business turnover then you bet I'm going to take it.

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Louise is right. Nothing is easy and nothing says you're going to succeed just because you try. You have to have a plan and stay the course. jumping around is just exhausting. I'm still trying to find the plan that makes me happy and gives me something to follow. If you ask anyone in IM what the 'magic bullet' is you'll get a different answer form just about everyone. I'm still plugging away, we'll see how succesful I am as time goes by.
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Thanks TL. Re: your simple overview:

"At the heart, online business is really simple - for most models.

1:- Have an offer:

2:- Get (a lot of) interested people to look at the offer:

3:- Get enough of them to take an action that results in you earning money:

That's it."


Having an offer that many thousands of people would find valuable is no problem. For me, (and many other newbs, I'll bet) 90% of the difficulty is in #2, getting them to see the offer. For that, you gotta get to Google pg.1 or 2, or you could have the best offer ever and no one will ever know. And getting to Google pg.1 or 2, even with loads of keyword research and backlinking, can be a bitch. Seems like there's always tons of competitors in front of you who know all the latest tricks you don't know for grabbing Google's attention and top spots.
SEO contributes to almost 0% for my traffic. I never do SEO at all. It really boils down to finding method of promotion that works for you and then testing the hell out of it and scaling up what works.

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I like the thing verbose said...it's really starting to sink in: "IM is not a skill but a craft with a large skill set."

You really do have to be (or get) very skilled at a large number of processes to be able to compete. Or be very skilled at one or two of the important steps, say, writing copy and putting up decent-looking sites, and pay someone else who's really good at, say, keyword research and SEO. Of course, as a newbie you usually can't afford to outsource those things, so you have to learn them yourself.

The hype in all those WSOs is that, with their program, you just need to learn & get fairly good at a few basic steps, then their "autopilot" system will kick in and do the rest.

But what I'm finding out is, there's a lot of steps & processes & tweaks & tune-ups, you need to stay on top of all of them, and you can't just get fairly good at them, because there's already too many other IMers who are really good at them, and if you don't get really fluent in all of it too, you won't be able to compete or outrank them.

So it's just that gap between the hype and the reality makes it seem frustrating or overwhelming. Now that I know the truth, I'll just have to keep learning and tweaking my sites at my own pace, and eventually I'll be able to also be a successful IMer...it just might take a little longer. But I'm up for it, willing to keep learning and plugging away for a good long stretch.
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If newbie = no money + No skills + Little time, then I recommend them to get a job. When I started, not only did I invest a lot of money (borrowed money), I also worked hard on my skills. I allowed myself to make mistakes, still do. So if you're hoping for a mmilstone weekly, this isn't the right thing to do.

Personally I like sticking to one or two things I am good at, and outsourcing the rest.

And might I suggest I am good at nothing at all.

But where in the world can you expect to make $3000/month with one idea, a little bit of thought, little to no work and just $5000 investment? That's a whopping 620% ROI. Good enough IMO.

-Lakshay

P.S. Oh yeah... I do have many such ideas. Most came from asking people what they need and going out finding poeple who'd create the solution for a small charge upfront. Partner up with someone who knows how to create a marketing campaign and let go.

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I like the thing verbose said...it's really starting to sink in: "IM is not a skill but a craft with a large skill set."

You really do have to be (or get) very skilled at a large number of processes to be able to compete. Or be very skilled at one or two of the important steps, say, writing copy and putting up decent-looking sites, and pay someone else who's really good at, say, keyword research and SEO. Of course, as a newbie you usually can't afford to outsource those things, so you have to learn them yourself.

The hype in all those WSOs is that, with their program, you just need to learn & get fairly good at a few basic steps, then their "autopilot" system will kick in and do the rest.

But what I'm finding out is, there's a lot of steps & processes & tweaks & tune-ups, you need to stay on top of all of them, and you can't just get fairly good at them, because there's already too many other IMers who are really good at them, and if you don't get really fluent in all of it too, you won't be able to compete or outrank them.

So it's just that gap between the hype and the reality makes it seem frustrating or overwhelming. Now that I know the truth, I'll just have to keep learning and tweaking my sites at my own pace, and eventually I'll be able to also be a successful IMer...it just might take a little longer. But I'm up for it, willing to keep learning and plugging away for a good long stretch.

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Overwhelmed. We've all been there and received great advice about not letting that happen to us. What we don't get is a lot of is the guided steps on how to avoid it. With IM I too struggled then one day things began to click and things started falling into place. That's the persistence ingredient essential to success the avoidance of the overwhelmed side starts with settling your mind. When you sit down to do whatever is in front of you focus on your next step and block out need to hurry to the end result and read the magnitude of minutia out there. Once that first step is complete the next one will present itself and so on.
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Like the lottery.. you gotta be in it to win it. If you're not trying IM then you'll never know if you'll cut it...

Unfortunately the only way to know is to try, try some more and try again. Good coaching is expensive but worth it...

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Overwhelm is always cause of: Quantity of information input IS GREATER THEN quantity of action output.

AKA: You're taking in more information (obviously when everyones showing you offers down your throat - and strangely you're going along with it) then you're actually applying in real life application.

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Find the right mentor. One that "will" answer your questions. I just don't gone along with all the hype. I don't look to make big money, or believe you can make $10,000 in seven days or the other bull crap their telling you. I expect to make my first dollar and will be happy. Because after that I can duplicate what I did and the next time I will make more. After that everything will fall into place.
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My advice as someone who makes more than beer money but less than a full-time income from internet marketing is as follows:

1. You don't have to know everything to succeed. You will *never* know everything. Don't fall into the trap of being inactive because you think you don't know enough.
2. Do projects as quickly as you can. Make them small projects. There's a lot less risk in a small project than in a big project. I don't feel too bad if I work on an ebook for a day, put it on sale and nobody buys it. If I've been working on that ebook for six months and nobody buys it, then I'll feel bad about it!
3. Focus on something you enjoy, and really focus on it. Don't buy training materials you don't need. Plan what you want to do, what your goal is, how you want to achieve it, and do it. If you find you're not enjoying something, stop doing that, and start thinking about a different way to achieve your ambition.
4. Find yourself a mentor that has the same type of business that you hope to have. See how he or she does business, and try and emulate that person's energy and success.
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Work is work. Growing a business is no different. It takes working at it and what separates the successes from the failures is this.

A successful person can keep the passion alive in what they´re doing, long after the initial excitement of their dream wears off. The dream and goal they set for their business and themselves does not die off.

They keep learning, growing, inspiring themselves and others, trying new things, and keep fueling the vision they originally had when they started. They break it down into easily achieved steps and follow through.

Most people would never put themselves through that.
That´s why successful people get paid the BIG Bucks. They solve other peoples problems and make their our easier so, we give them our money.

Don´t give up. I don´t know what it is you do, but is it helping other or solving a problem for someone or some group of people? Start there.
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People that solvle problems have no problem being successful. Stay focused on that and people will line up for your solutions.
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Keep pluggin away. That's all I can really tell you at this point.

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Ok I had the same problem... I have been working in IM for over 1.5 years made very little money, but I read something from a copywriter and a direct marketer that peeked my interest the key is not traffic regardless to what anyone says.

That is what all the so called guru keep teaching the key is direct response marketing.

Learn how to write sales letter ... it really helps... I dont worry to much about traffic because I pay for mines, I just need people to convert when they hit my pages.

So invest in learning to do what the big boys really do. Hire Expensive Copywriters or write there own copy.

Just my two cents.
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Old 11-11-2009, 11:04 AM   #27
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To add to what has already been said...
Build relationships. If you're a great content writer, but don't like or know how to do the tech stuff, partner with someone who loves the techy stuff but hates to write. Or offer the person a percentage of your sales. This is a win-win situation for both of you. You could also bring on someone who likes to write sales copy but is just starting out his copywriting business and offer him a percentage of the profits. Build relationships and a team.

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It's a bit unclear from what you wrote in the first post: Are you not making any money at all? Or just not very much?
Are you getting hardly any traffic at all?

As for ranking: Start with something really obscure. Nothing that is offered on Clickbank.
Find something located far, far away from where all the IM people are constantly buzzing around. Search for some manufacturers related to a hobby of yours, for example. Or find some product or program that practically no one has ever heard about.
Or maybe go to Amazon and find some incredibly obscure product to promote.

Why obscure? Well, someone will still be in the market for this product. And, believe me, there are many products with which you can earn affiliate commissions that you won't find a single EZA article on, that don't show up in even one squidoo lens and that have hardly any competition in the SERP.
Then make a page (can be squidoo - saves on the domain registration) and promote that product. Link-build etc.

Why? Well, you might only get 10 visits a month from being among the top spots on Google, but you will get those visitors. You might only make a few dollars a month, but you will make those dollars. And more importantly, you will see that it really is possible to get a page of your choosing to the top positions in Google for a keyword of your choice.

This might seem crazy and it certainly isn't a road to great riches. But it builds experience and builds confidence. Better to make some very small steps successfully than forever trying and failing to make that huge leap.

That's my 2c. I'm going to shut up now, because you're already in danger of information overload with all the suggestions here.

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rhythm, it depends...

It is hard if you don't know what to do neither how to do it...

If you want to succeed fast you need a mentor, someone who teaches you the ropes it is the only way you have to accelerate your success.

If you try to figure out everything by yourself you can succeed but it will take you much more time and effort.

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IM is a drug.
You take one shot and the next thing you know it is overwhelming you.

The cure is to take small doses. Sounds like you are doing, considering doing, thinking about, testing, or reading up on, too many things.

Beginners must scale down, not up. Like mentioned somewhere above, set a conquerable goal, 1 buck or whatever - a year, a month, a day. Once you reach your goal, suck on that satisfaction for a while, then consider if the same site can be tweaked to generate more. it is always easier to squeeze more out what is working than try something new.

Another IMPORTANT aspect is NOT to be a samaritan. By that I mean considering what is best for your audience because that very seldom gets them to part with the cash you want. Take adsense sites as example. If they are too glossy or contain too much quality content you get less clicks. For adsense, a bad site is often more profitable (unless you have megasites)

Concentrate, consolidate, convert. Then expand.
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Excellent post - here are a few comments that may help....

You have nailed the probable success rate at somewhere between 3-5%, which seems small BUT...let me share this with you from direct experience having worked with hundreds of wanna be and real entrepreneurs. Of the 100 people who "say" they want to grow a business using internet marketing - only about 20 are serious enough to really mean it...that is, they learn, take action, persist, refine and take more action...don't give up. So - it turns out that about 80% just aren't there yet (and may never be). Odds look a little better now right?

Don't get me wrong, this is not trivial stuff. Getting committed is challenging, but it is ESSENTIAL to success. Taking your business seriously - treating it as if this was something you invested 100K into, spending time getting educated on how successful businesses are run all leads to you making the final candidate list - the 20% that move on to toy with business success.

Now, of that 20, a good 75% (or about 15 if my math is correct) are not "mentally" prepared for building a business. That means having a big enough WHY, an expectation of screwing up as a means to figuring things out, a positive attitude that helps you pick out the one jewel from a mentor or training program instead of seeing the dozen or so faults.

I love the way Eben Pagen puts it (when he talks about having the right mindset), he says we have to be long-term "optimists" with a healthy expectation of short-term "acceptance of pessimism" What he means is that yes, we must view ourselves as CERTAINLY successful in the medium/long term, but we also must be prepared for CERTAIN setbacks and challenges.

That gets us to the magic 5% figure.

I hope you can see that the small number of successes has nothing to do with intrinsic ability, knowledge, skill, the type of person you are, access to guru's, etc... It has everything to do with YOU.

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Now I know entrepreneurship and building your own successful home-based business is hard. That’s why so many keep working for someone else, even though it’s 9 – 5, the pay’s not as good and someone else is their boss.
Try this.

I came into this business and rapidly discovered that I didn't know what I needed to know. So I took what I did know - writing - and started offering that as a professional service.

Over the past six months, I have had the pleasure of observing over sixty people in various stages of their IM careers, from newbies making their first dollar online to multi-millionaires blasting tons of content into their authority sites daily. And to get what they want from me, they had to teach me how they get what they've gotten from that content. What they didn't teach, I could study on their sites.

Trust me on this. Working for someone else isn't always a losing proposition. Don't work for the paycheck; work for the education. The paycheck is just a nice bonus.

I'm that writer you ask how to find every time your other writers deliver.
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I totally identify with everything that you are saying. It can be so easy to get overwhelmed, but to avoid that, I try to break it all down into manageable tasks.

I just make sure that each day I take action on atleast 1 thing that will move my business forward. Even if it's something small, I know that my business and my knowledge is growing daily.

In a months time you will be amazed at how much you actually accomplished.

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If you look at the big picture, it really IS pretty damn simple. The concept is simple but it does take time learning the small details of things like HTML, writing salescopy, ect.
Yes. I think many people actually think "too complicated". They purchase blueprints and complex methods - but in reality it can be VERY simple. Don't overthink.

The basics of IM are very simple, old, nothing new. Its the same principles applied for years and years already. There is hardly new "magic methods".

It can be as simple as writing articles (or let them write) and submit them, consistently, to some article directories. For example, everyone can sign up at clickbank or CPA, doesnt require rocket science. It works.

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rhythm, I can understand how you feel. I have similar thoughts as yours few months back until I read something on Ewen Chia blog. I felt so relieved. I really appreciate his honesty because I do not think many marketer is willing to say that even though it is the truth. They will want to sell us this dream that IM is easy and it can give quick money.

Below is the passage copied from Ewen Chia blog.

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A majority of the success that you will have in Internet Marketing will be derived from your mental toughness. This is important because many of the things that you read and many of the products that you buy online set you up for failure.

What do I mean?

If you go and find just about any sales letter that is selling a product that has to do with making money online a couple things should jump out at you.

The first thing is, the claims of instant income that pours into your bank account the minute you but the product. All of these claims are bull**** and the sooner that you realize that the better off you will be.

What happens is, you buy a product, read it, and start to implement what it teaches and if you are not rich overnight you somehow feel that you have failed, but hold on a minute….

In reality, the person that sold you the product has failed, for the simple fact that they have set your expectations in a way that they are impossible to meet.

Understand right off the bat that the people that make money online are the ones that stick it out, the ones that put in the extra hour, and the ones that fight through the days of no sales.

You have to decide right now, are you going to be one of the successes or are you going to be one of the people that gets stuck in a rut and throws in the hat only to try something else and fail too?

If you are looking for a quick fix or bush button system to solve all of your financial problems, this guide is not for you.If however, you are willing to put the work in and follow a system that has proven to be successful, read on and lets get to work.

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Hey man,

I can totally relate. I have hundreds of dollars of ebooks, courses and manuals on my computer. Also i almost gave up 3 years ago but now i am back. I just knew that people were making money online and that some of the hype must have be true. But i tried again earlier this year with bum marketing. If i waste time although important to me it is a lot better than wasting money. Bum marketing then led me to more advanced bum techniques and i have not looked back.

Good luck to you. Do not give up. Start small and slow with no money techniques then progress from there. Nothing like being a Bum.
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Word! This right on.
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