What do you use to find profitable keywords?

[GeorgR.]

Don't get me wrong, as so many IMers i know Keyword Elite, Market Samurai, Micro Niche finder and i know how to use them. Keyword research is like a hobby to me, i think its very exciting.

The problem is more How to actually find a promising keyword.

Example using Market Samurai, which is my favorite tool at the moment.

Let's take an example niche and keyword, "Acne"

There might (or might not) a related keyword to acne which is still "undiscovered" and it might have a very high search volume and a low count of existing pages in Google.

If i feed "acne" into MS, it might spit out a list of 200-300 keywords, like
"acne scar", "acne removal", "acne cream", "acne products" etc. etc.

Now..its likely i don't see a promising keyword after i did the analysis, and i have to re-brainstorm and feed new, related keywords...eg. i could feed it a related start keyword like "clear skin".

Again, who knows, the resulting list might contain a goldmine keyword.

But the goldmine could as well only appear when i feed Market Samurai "get rid of pimple" etc.... All keywords which are somewhat related.

I always end up trying and trying, enter a related keyword, get 300 results, analysis, try another bunch of keywords.

Is there a way or a tool which allows such brainstorming to come up with a WIDE array of related keywords. Not only limited to 300 keywords based on one single seed keyword - but maybe thousands and then do an analysis of that much larger list to find a potential good keyword?

[JMPruitt]

You can try Traffic Travis, it has a lot of great features, including a keyword list building tool. You can see a video on how to use it and get your free copy at the link.

[JAIDEEP2959]

I use Keyword Research and Tracking | Keyword Tool | Keyword Software

It gives info about ads, adwords spendings and competitors in addition to regular info.

[MemberWing]

Define: "profitability of keyword"?

There are different classes of keywords:
- immediate buying keywords - "canon s90 digital camera" or "software to design calendars"
- hit-and-run for information keywords: "picture of horse" or "what is hurricane"
- residual interest keywords: "how to maintain perfect weight" or "sport bike discussion forum"

Some means immediate cash, some are great for opt-in list, some are good to get interest-based discussion forum going with residual marketing opportunities, some are ok for adsense-type portals and some are worthless for online business.

Define your interest!

Gleb

[um1001]

I'd say 80% of the time I start with Google Search Tool and move to the Google keyword tool after I have a nice "seed" keyword. I keep breaking them down by "add phrase" until I get a good one.

The other 20% of the time I'm too lazy to do competition searches manually ... I do have MNF, Market Samurai, Keyword Elite, Brute Force SEO's keyword generator, and some scripts I wrote myself.

It's really more of an art than a science though. After setting up so many sites, I just kind of have a knack for what will work.

[GeorgR.]

Originally Posted by um1001

I'd say 80% of the time I start with Google Search Tool and move to the Google keyword tool after I have a nice "seed" keyword. I keep breaking them down by "add phrase" until I get a good one.

The other 20% of the time I'm too lazy to do competition searches manually ... I do have MNF, Market Samurai, Keyword Elite, Brute Force SEO's keyword generator, and some scripts I wrote myself.

It's really more of an art than a science though. After setting up so many sites, I just kind of have a knack for what will work.

sometimes i wish there would be a tool which could generate 1000s of keywords from one "seed" and then just iteratively go through the list, generate new seeds and lists and so on...you let it run over night and in then morning you have that "mega keyword"

I also, still, have a hard time breaking them down and then finding long tail keywords originating from one single seed keyword, like "acne".

There's still way too much manual work involved or a combination of several tools where you feed the output of one into the other, things like that.

[tferraro11]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

There's still way too much manual work involved or a combination of several tools where you feed the output of one into the other, things like that.

You have to work some what to make money. It just wont come to you.