Whiners And Thre Rest Of Us [ezinearticles]

[ewenmack]

Has it ever occured to the ezinearticle complainers that they need to up their game?

As a first time user of their service last week I submitted 10 articles and had them all accepted then went straight to Platinum.

I went in knowing all this anti-ezine talk was going on.

So knew I had to be on top of my game.

Still see where I can improve.

To me, it just seems dumb not working at improving ones' game all the time.

Isn't it what we expect of our favorite sports teams and players?

Sometimes the referee gets it wrong, but does a top team win despite the odds?

Of course they do!

MESSAGE:
Work harder at improving yourself rather than on others.

Ewen Vile

[nitin22]

Truly said Ewen.
I have been using Ezine since very long time and since last few weeks it seems like they accept 100% of our articles. Almost all accounts we created last week went straight into platinum.
I also fail to understand the complaint ppl are making these a days abt ezine.

[GeorgR.]

i usually let outsource, but YESTERDAY i was bored and i wrote an article on my account. I am not platinum yet. It was approved TODAY and is already live.

[Heuristic]

Yes, I also wonder what the big fuss is about. I still submit the same way I always have and have yet to get an article flagged. And I submit 10/day in 5 niches (2 per niche) like clockwork.

[SeanSupplee]

Nicely said, I think some of those people are not sure how to up their game or fix whats wrong as they where thought to promote on article web sites that way. However with that said they should do some research and continue to use EZA its going to greatly outweigh any other article site out there because of the changes they have just made.

[ewenmack]

Another complaint I've heard is "you have to increase your word count"

The writer with the most published articles on ezinearticles publishes over 20 a day with a word count under 300.

Look how tightly written and informative they are.

His name is Sean R. Mize

Wouldn't do any harm subscribing to his ezine announcements to up ones' game.

Ewen Vile

[JMPruitt]

Well said. I get tired of seeing people claim this method is a scam, or that is wasting time, simply because they could not take the time to do it right, or it failed the first time, so they give up, instead of figuring out WHY it did not work.

Take the time to figure out what you have done wrong, and almost anything is possible.

[Tom Goodwin]

The problem with many of us with Ezine Articles is that their customer service is absolutely horrible at times. It took them 10 days to reply to my last message. They just have no respect.

My last article (which was approved on the first try, and yes, I have 8 years of college education and know how to write well) took 20 days to get through the entire approval process. A similar article on goarticles (on the same topic) got to the first page of google in that time.

Originally Posted by ewenmack

Has it ever occured to the ezinearticle complainers that they need to up their game?

As a first time user of their service last week I submitted 10 articles and had them all accepted then went straight to Platinum.

I went in knowing all this anti-ezine talk was going on.

So knew I had to be on top of my game.

Still see where I can improve.

To me, it just seems dumb not working at improving ones' game all the time.

Isn't it what we expect of our favorite sports teams and players?

Sometimes the referee gets it wrong, but does a top team win despite the odds?

Of course they do!

MESSAGE:
Work harder at improving yourself rather than on others.

Ewen Vile

[ewenmack]

Originally Posted by thmgoodw

They just have no respect.

Did this happen while at Platinum status?

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by ewenmack

Did this happen while at Platinum status?

Nope. Not sure why that would matter. I hardly ever use Ezine articles (due to all of the BS). Goarticles/Articlesbase are my stomping grounds.

GoArticles, Usfreeads, articlesbase and associated content all seem to reply back to me within 48 hours no matter what.

[Jill Carpenter]

Originally Posted by thmgoodw

The problem with many of us with Ezine Articles is that their customer service is absolutely horrible at times. It took them 10 days to reply to my last message. They just have no respect.

My last article (which was approved on the first try, and yes, I have 8 years of college education and know how to write well) took 20 days to get through the entire approval process. A similar article on goarticles (on the same topic) got to the first page of google in that time.

Are you a paying customer?

[ewenmack]

Originally Posted by thmgoodw

Nope. Not sure why that would matter. I hardly ever use Ezine articles (due to all of the BS). Goarticles/Articlesbase are my stomping grounds.

Sure, ezinearticles is running a tighter ship than others and if you make too many stuff ups when submitting to them, you get less attention by them.

Seems perfectly fair.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

Are you a paying customer?

Every single author at ezinearticles who brings in traffic to their page is a paying customer. You think ezinearticles is putting this stuff up out of the goodness of the hearts.

Alternatively, maybe it has to due with adsense revenue.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by ewenmack

make too many stuff ups

Seems perfectly feer.

Huh? Is that the standard of writing for ezinearticles?

[ewenmack]

Originally Posted by thmgoodw

Huh? Is that the standard of writing for ezinearticles?

Yeh they are brilliant due to their spellchecker...which I use so spelling errors don't get through.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by ewenmack

Yeh they are brilliant due to their spellchecker...which I use so spelling errors don't get through.

"make ...stuff ups" is a spelling error? come again?

In any event, back to the point. Even for well-written articles, that doesn't "make stuff up", ezine articles can be a pain in the arse due to how long it takes for review, and they fact that it takes them upwords of a week to reply to emails.

[Vanquish]

People are complaining because before you could write articles that give the user some information and tease him a bit and make him click on the ctr box at astounding rates my highest ever has been 48% consistent click through and believe that will make you a lot of money.

With the new implementation I have to write longer and more informative articles and my click through has dropped because people are either

a) losing interest due to the increased length
b) clicking on the ad sense ads because of losing interest

These methods are good for ezinearticles but not good for most article marketers who actually want to make money.

[ewenmack]

Originally Posted by thmgoodw

Even for well-written articles, that doesn't "make stuff up", ezine articles can be a pain in the arse due to how long it takes for review, and they fact that it takes them upwords of a week to reply to emails.

Speed of approval is an earnt thing, not of right.

We know the rules of the game when going there [should] and play by them. Result : they put you at Platinum level and have faster turnaround time. If we start getting sloppy, this status gets taken away from us.

[Jill Carpenter]

Originally Posted by thmgoodw

Every single author at ezinearticles who brings in traffic to their page is a paying customer. You think ezinearticles is putting this stuff up out of the goodness of the hearts.

Alternatively, maybe it has to due with adsense revenue.

I disagree with this. If you are not actually paying for a service, you have no right to complain. Just because they are monetizing on the page does not mean you are a paying customer. There is no guarantee for them if your article will even bring them one visitor.

If you are not paying, then of course paid customers will get speedy service.

They are not the only place to put articles. You want fast and free? Use goarticles then.

You are being reciprocated by your links allowed on THEIR site.

[ewenmack]

Originally Posted by Vanquish

With the new implementation I have to write longer and more informative articles

Sean R. Mize is consistantly pumping out 20 PLUS articles a day with word counts under 300.

My question is...why can't you?

[Vanquish]

Originally Posted by ewenmack

Sean R. Mize is consistantly pumping out 20 PLUS articles a day with word counts under 300.

My question is...why can't you?

I don't make enough to hire a team of skilled writers to pump out 20 quality articles for me daily.

[ewenmack]

Originally Posted by Vanquish

I don't make enough to hire a team of skilled writers to pump out 20 quality articles for me daily.

Well get better at the quality like Sean did first.

It's all there to view and emulate.

[Tom Goodwin]

Again, I have to respectfully disagree with you. Why are none of the other article directories this nonresponsive? None of them are even close.

If I need to show them the traffic that articles I have written on other sites get, I could do that.

But in any event, I think the delay on ezinearticles is purposeful. They want to make you so P*ssed off at the time delay, that you are more or less forced to upgrade to premium. It is a hard upsell, IMHO.

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

I disagree with this. If you are not actually paying for a service, you have no right to complain. Just because they are monetizing on the page does not mean you are a paying customer. There is no guarantee for them if your article will even bring them one visitor.

If you are not paying, then of course paid customers will get speedy service.

They are not the only place to put articles. You want fast and free? Use goarticles then.

You are being reciprocated by your links allowed on THEIR site.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by ewenmack

Speed of approval is an earnt thing, not of right.

We know the rules of the game when going there [should] and play by them. Result : they put you at Platinum level and have faster turnaround time. If we start getting sloppy, this status gets taken away from us.

I really have no clue what an "earnt thing" is (neither did my dictionary). 3 weeks for 1 article to be approved should not be the rules of any game, neither should 10 days to respond to 1 message.

[briley knox]

I agree if the service is free then you should'nt complaint but people do, what I want to know is anyone having any success with their articles, is there more traffic to your website as a result of these articles that have been published. If that be the case then that's what it's all about.

[ewenmack]

Originally Posted by thmgoodw

Again, I have to respectfully disagree with you. Why are none of the other article directories this nonresponsive? None of them are even close.

If I need to show them the traffic that articles I have written on other sites get, I could do that.

But in any event, I think the delay on ezinearticles is purposeful. They want to make you so P*ssed off at the time delay, that you are more or less forced to upgrade to premium. It is a hard upsell, IMHO.

Once again, they have their own rules and if you play by them you are upgraded to Platinum level.
This level gets you faster response and turnaround time.

No charge for it either. Some authors still don't get to this level after 40 articles approved.

Ezine articles have to spend more time correcting them so why give the same level of service to time wasters as to "no pain" authors?

Seems like a good way to thin out the herd to me.

[rayward52]

I would just like to say that I think ezine articles are fantastic. Long may it reign and help to make people as much income as possible.

Regards

Ray

[ewenmack]

Originally Posted by thmgoodw

3 weeks for 1 article to be approved should not be the rules of any game, neither should 10 days to respond to 1 message.

And have you made any attempt to upgrade to Platinum Level?

It gets you faster response and it is FREE.

The WORK required is to submit 10 quality articles [not your opinion] without errors.

Is this TOO hard?

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by ewenmack

And have you made any attempt to upgrade to Platinum Level.

It gets you faster response and it is FREE.

The WORK required is to submit 10 quality articles [not your opinion] without errors.

Is this TOO hard?

So it takes 10 "quality" articles to get responses within 1 week? I need to follow that with my business and see how well that gets me. Note that I am not a pure article marketer like some folks on here. I prefer to have 100% of my content on my own site, and then use profile backlinks and dofollow blog commenting for backlinks (and that works extremely well). I just throw in an occasional article for variety.


The issue is, how do I have any assurances that things will improve once I am Platinum?

I am not going to waste my time with them unless I can get a guarantee that they won't act like this at that level. Unfortunately, I have not seen anything like that.

[Fun to Write]

Originally Posted by thmgoodw

I am not going to waste my time with them unless I can get a guarantee that they won't act like this at that level. Unfortunately, I have not seen anything like that.

I'm a platinum member and my articles are approved within a day or two.

I've recently changed my strategy to submitting quality articles over quantity. Quality is going to be a lot more important in the near future for article directories - and not just at EZA.

If you have such problems with EZA, then by all means, relieve yourself of the worry and just post your articles someplace else. Problem solved.

As for me, I'll keep enjoying the traffic and link juice I get via EZA.

[Taylor French]

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

I disagree with this. If you are not actually paying for a service, you have no right to complain. Just because they are monetizing on the page does not mean you are a paying customer. There is no guarantee for them if your article will even bring them one visitor.

If you are not paying, then of course paid customers will get speedy service.

They are not the only place to put articles. You want fast and free? Use goarticles then.

You are being reciprocated by your links allowed on THEIR site.

I disagree. I believe if our hard work is going to build their site, we are paying them.

It is a mutually beneficial relationship. We get traffic, they get content. If we didn't submit content, they would have no site. However, if we submitted our articles elsewhere, we would still get traffic.

So it seems as though our content is slightly more important than their traffic in the grand scheme of things.

[ewenmack]

Originally Posted by thmgoodw

The issue is, how do I have any assurances that things will improve once I am Platinum?

I am not going to waste my time with them unless I can get a guarantee that they won't act like this at that level. Unfortunately, I have not seen anything like that.

It's foolish to think there are gurantees in business.

If you are an employer, how would you feel if a new worker asks for the same pay as your top performer and uses the line "I'll perform as well as your top worker ONLY if I'm paid the same as him."

The guy will get shown the door quick-smart!

It doesn't mean you as an employer won't pay the top rate to the applicant after a trial period.

[cherry enders]

I've submitted three articles to EZA and they were all approved within a week, I still have to write seven more articles to reach the first review. Being new at this, I wonder how it is done. Any idea's?

[glchandler]

I haven't written any articles at all for at least three months due to other "duties". Earlier this afternoon I submitted one to articlesbase.com and it is showing on Google #1 when I search for the title. Also has been picked up by two other directories (according to the search results).
I think I will revamp it in a little while for eza and see how long it takes for approval!

[ewenmack]

Originally Posted by cherry enders

I've submitted three articles to EZA and they were all approved within a week, I still have to write seven more articles to reach the first review. Being new at this, I wonder how it is done. Any idea's?

Just keep submitting untill you get your 10 and they will review your status.

Obviously, spend the time to get them right to the best of your ability.

If after a few days of no contact, contact them for a review status.

Keep it friendly and they will respond in kind.

All the best.

[SimonHarrison]

A colleague of mine is a science based writer, he's paid top dollar by supplement companies for consulting services , he showed me a message he got today from ezinearticles essentially telling his article didn't contain enough useful information.

The article is complex but their comments make no sense, if you understand the complexities of the topic it's useful information, if you don't , it's not but people who are not into nutritional protocol studies won't be doing a lot of searches into the results of an enzyme in a particular supplement ..

They just have some very odd views , it's hard to get consistency with their approval team, for my colleague tightening up on junk rehashed stuff is ideal for him, all his work is completely unique and also highly referenced, but when he's getting the kind of response he did , it's hard to work under those paramaters.

Meanwhile I just had 40 articles accepted , all of which were nothing special at all, not even in the same league in terms of research and content.

[Intrepreneur]

I don't see it as being an all out get your 40 articles plus per week submitted like many do which is something I don't understand why others do. In reality it should be post one good article and build backlinks to it unitl it ranks but even that's quite tedious. My best advice to the ezinearticles complainers (I am one too) is to find another way to get your content noticed. Which isn't very hard when you open up to a larger perspective than the narrow want to rely on the directories.

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by Taylor French

If we didn't submit content, they would have no site.

Do you really think they'd suffer much if, as from tomorrow morning, no affiliate marketer submitted another article there? (One thing's for sure: it would improve the average quality of their site's content).

[ewenmack]

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

A colleague of mine is a science based writer, he's paid top dollar by supplement companies for consulting services , he showed me a message he got today from ezinearticles essentially telling his article didn't contain enough useful information.

The article is complex but their comments make no sense, if you understand the complexities of the topic it's useful information, if you don't , it's not but people who are not into nutritional protocol studies won't be doing a lot of searches into the results of an enzyme in a particular supplement ..

Your colleague may be better off writing a white paper on the subject.

There are directories especially for white papers which are geared to the bigger dollar and complex sales.

Google white paper directories and you'll see them.

Perry Marshall has a free course on writing them.
Other people do too.

[SimonHarrison]

Originally Posted by ewenmack

Your colleague may be better off writing a white paper on the subject.

There are directories especially for white papers which are geared to the bigger dollar and complex sales.

Google white paper directories and you'll see them.

Perry Marshall has a free course on writing them.
Other people do too.

He's predominantly after the high ranking of the article as his own site is new, his stuff that's gone live on eza has outranked everything else and that's without even applying a little SEO love to their listing, I'm sure there are solid directories suited to a more technical nature but a refusal on the grounds they gave doesn't really hold water .

[ewenmack]

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

I'm sure there are solid directories suited to a more technical nature but a refusal on the grounds they gave doesn't really hold water .

Did they give out a way to remedy the problem?

[Kay King]

I've come to believe that editors at EZA have specific "reasons" they are to use when rejecting an article.

I'm not surprised that a highly technical scientific article that would not interest most readers would be rejected. Perhaps your friend should write on a more general topic about the subject that would have wider readability (dumb it down in other words).

I have a theory about the complaint of "bad customer service - no answer to my emails" mentioned earlier in this thread.

In years of submitting to EZA I have contacted them TWICE. Yet many complaints about "no answer" posted on the WF seem to be from those who have submitted their first article(s).

What question are they asking? I'd guess 95% are asking "why isn't my article published yet" - and maybe those emails go to the bottom of the pile?

I'm not a paid member of EZA but have Platinum status and my articles are usually live in 24 hrs - never more than 48 hrs. I see submitting to EZA as a partnership - I write good articles and they publish them for me. It's a win-win to me.

kay

[Vanquish]

Originally Posted by ewenmack

Well get better at the quality like Sean did first.

It's all there to view and emulate.

I'm sure Sean is in a position to afford high quality writers with English degrees who will churn out very high quality and concise articles unlike the rest of us which is why you see tons of threads about people complaining about ezine

More so Sean is in the MMO which has tons of sub categories and sub niches meaning his content will have a very low chance of receiving the "not original or informative enough" rejection that most writers at ezine are getting.

Anyways no point in arguing I still have a lot to learn and judging by your join date you are a very experienced warrior but that is just my opinion.

[Wakunahum]

I'm not sure what the problem is.

I submit at least 10 articles a day and have only had a few flagged because my resource box links pointed to nowhere as I transposed letters in the domain on accident. Their flagging of those articles HELPED me fix those resource boxes so I could actually get links and traffic.

Most of my articles submitted to EZA are around 300 words.

I introduce the topic with about 2 or 3 sentences.

I follow this with 3 points. I normally make the point in bold then write a paragraph below it.

I rarely ever have a closing paragraph.

[ewenmack]

[QUOTE=Wakunahum;1413268]I'm not sure what the problem is.

I submit at least 10 articles a day and have only had a few flagged because my resource box links pointed to nowhere as I transposed letters in the domain on accident. Their flagging of those articles HELPED me fix those resource boxes so I could actually get links and traffic.
/QUOTE]

What, they actually helped YOU...Get outta here!

[ewenmack]

Just came across an author on ezinearticles who is still, presumably, making submission errors after 250 PLUS live articles.

I say presumably making errors because, why is it she is still at BASIC PLUS status?

[DougBarger]

Originally Posted by ewenmack

Just came across an author on ezinearticles who is still, presumably, making submission errors after 250 PLUS live articles.

I say presumably making errors because, why is it she is still at BASIC PLUS status?

My guess on that one Ewen is because "correct" alone, doesn't always
equal= "Quality."

Someone could just list purely factual and correct data for hundreds of words.

If it doesn't give the reader the fresh taste in their mouth after reading
the article and the feeling they walked away better for the experience,

Then it's possible that although the words were "correct"

The article as a whole failed to deliver value to the reader.

So it's possible the writer with the 250 articles are publishing "rank=mediocre" articles in terms of reader-experience without delivering value, which again, I would venture presumably determines the
measure of the "Quality" of the article.

I'm not saying that's the case with the basic plus level author you
were asking about, but just what seems like the most logical explanation
without knowing more details.

Doug

PS. Congrats on your Platinum Level.

P.S.S. That Sean R. Mize is a hoss isn't he?

[ewenmack]

Originally Posted by DougBarger

My guess on that one Ewen is because "correct" alone, doesn't always
equal= "Quality."

Someone could just list purely factual and correct data for hundreds of words.

If it doesn't give the reader the fresh taste in their mouth after reading
the article and the feeling they walked away better for the experience,

Then it's possible that although the words were "correct"

The article as a whole failed to deliver value to the reader.

So it's possible the writer with the 250 articles are publishing "rank=mediocre" articles in terms of reader-experience without delivering value, which again, I would venture presumably determines the
measure of the "Quality" of the article.

I'm not saying that's the case with the basic plus level author you
were asking about, but just what seems like the most logical explanation
without knowing more details.

Doug

PS. Congrats on your Platinum Level.

P.S.S. That Sean R. Mize is a hoss isn't he?

I thought her article was good....the one which was the third most read in it's catagory.

Yeh we can take our best guess as to why still at that level.

Anyway, who in their right mind would want a human edited article directory?

Have you seen how many they reject on a weekly, monthly bases?

I read a post on here of a woman who closed down hers' because she dreaded opening up the articles she had to review in the morning which came in overnight.

With those numbers you would want to slow down the great mass of rejects.

Hey, haven't come across the slang "hoss" around here...wanna enlighten me?

Thanks,

Ewen

[DougBarger]

Originally Posted by ewenmack

I thought her article was good....the one which was the third most read in it's catagory.

Yeh we can take our best guess as to why still at that level.

Anyway, who in their right mind would want a human edited article directory?

Have you seen how many they reject on a weekly, monthly bases?

I read a post on here of a woman who closed down hers' because she dreaded opening up the articles she had to review in the morning which came in overnight.

With those numbers you would want to slow down the great mass of rejects.

Hey, haven't come across the slang "hoss" around here...wanna enlighten me?

Thanks,

Ewen

Sure, Ewen. It actually has a few different meanings, but in this context, it's a Southeastern United States colloquialism for someone impressive
either in size, prowess, performance or all the aforementioned combined.

Another meaning is akin to boss.

Picture the 6'6, 350 pound defensive tackle in American football
who just keeps breaking through the offensive line and sacking the
quarterback almost every play no matter how they try to block him.

Then a father looks over at his son while watching the game on
television, smiles, shakes his head and says, "Man, he sure is a hoss, isn't he?"

[ewenmack]

Originally Posted by DougBarger

Sure, Ewen. It actually has a few different meanings, but in this context, it's a Southeastern United States colloquialism for someone impressive
either in size, prowess, performance or all the aforementioned combined.

Another meaning is akin to boss.

Picture the 6'6, 350 pound defensive tackle in American football
who just keeps breaking through the offensive line and sacking the
quarterback almost every play no matter how they try to block him.

Then a father looks over at his son while watching the game on
television, smiles, shakes his head and says, "Man, he sure is a hoss, isn't he?"

Cool, REALLY cool name.

Sounds right saying "He's just the hoss!"

I think it's about time it's introduced into little ole' New Zealand.

Thanks Doug.

Ewen