Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople

mikeyman120 · 11-23-2009, 01:47 AM

That was the subject line I got in my email from paypal just a little while ago. It came just 24 hours after I emailed my small list with 3 websites I have with paydotcom hoping to get 1 order so I can get $37 into my paypal account to get into the war room.

At first I was excited when I got the email and didn't know where I should check first either the email they just sent me from paypal(that's the exact subject line they use) or should I log into my paypal account to see if I have enough to get into the war room. I decided to open the email first and found it was a fake. It wasn't paypal. I then noticed it wasn't their email address either It was some marketer selling a MMO ebook.

Normally I wouldn't care what a marketer does but that was annoying as I was expecting an order. It was spam email too. I am not on this persons list.

But they got me to open it right away so its one heck of a powerful subject line.

So the war rooms on hold for now. That son of a .....

So The Question Is - WOULD ANYONE USE THIS SUBJECT LINE WITH THEIR OWN LIST OF PEOPLE just to try to get more people to open your email?

Mike

JayXtreme · 11-23-2009, 01:54 AM

No

It's pathetic. A desperate attempt to fool your reader into opening.

If you can't think of honest and creative subjects for your mail to get it opened, then you really should think about another line of work. Because deception will get you into a bad place.

Peace

Jay

Profit-smart · 11-23-2009, 02:52 AM

I see this all the time, along with "Echeck payment notification" and so forth.

It's sad really.

mostphere · 11-23-2009, 02:56 AM

Well, although it get opened it will shut in second. I see these kind of emails daily in my spam box. I don't know where they come from, just really annoying.

But if the subject truly deliver, I guess it will be good. But what kind of email will subject like that except spam? :-)

BIG Mike · 11-23-2009, 02:57 AM

If the subject is misleading then it's spam, pure and simple.

dsmpublishing · 11-23-2009, 02:59 AM

Hi guys

i remember trying out listjoe.com a while ago and many of them in the community used to break the rules by putting in the title - list joe new rules please read or list joe announcement so its not a new thing.

Its really annoying though and because of how much it actually annoys you i doubt it will get any sales even though it will get plenty of opens. I am sure they can go down in history as having the lowest conversion rates!

kind regards

sam
X

Andyhenry · 11-23-2009, 02:59 AM

I got it too.

I didn't open it - just selected it as spam and blocked the domain.

This sort of spam is offensive and idiotic.

Some people have no ethics and will do anything to try and scratch some cash from a naive person who mistakes their crap for a proper email.

milan · 11-23-2009, 04:36 AM

Ethics aside, that kind of subject line is plain stupid: people don't like to be cheated! You can't expect to cheat them and ask them to get their wallet a second after.

TheWealthSquad · 11-23-2009, 06:51 AM

While the purpose of a headline is to get you to open the email, none of us have that as our END goal. With this headline you won't get people to take the next step of reading your email, clicking your link and buying your product.

Don't confuse optimizing one step of the sales process with optimizing the end result. I have seen it happen in the manufacturing industry too. people will optimize their individual process with no thought to how it impacts the total process.

Your goal is to convert prospects into customers. This headline sure won't do it. If anything it will drive them away from you in droves. Avoid it at all costs.

Floyd Fisher · 11-23-2009, 07:01 AM

IIRC, those kinds of subject lines are a violation of Can Spam. Plus, there is a very strong possibility such an email could be reported as phishing....mucho trouble.

Wouldn't do it myself unless a gun was pointed at my head....that's asking for major trouble.

Adam Carn · 11-23-2009, 07:03 AM

I used to get these a long time ago, they seemed to have stopped now.

Adam

Robyn8243 · 11-23-2009, 07:09 AM

Anytime I get any kind of Notification of Payment type headline, if I recognize it for what it is
I delete it. If it is not already delivered in my spam box, I will mark it as spam.

I can't imagine anyone remotely successful thinking this is okay.

Getting people to open emails is just one part of the equation. This destroys all credibility.

Robyn

tommen · 11-23-2009, 07:23 AM

I have seen those as well, and opened the emails.I think it is unethical to send emails like that and completely destroys the marketers credibility.

Imran Naseem · 11-23-2009, 07:24 AM

It is a desperate call for help. Its pathetic, stupid and silly. Very immature and this marketer should know better. He should simply quit and get a job.

keithng · 11-23-2009, 07:25 AM

I get this kind of email too lately..

It is very annoying and the best part is the sender is nowhere can be found, can't unsubscribe, can't even stop this email coming to my inbox...

Anyone have any idea to stop this?

blur · 11-23-2009, 07:34 AM

This kind of thing used to be my job!

In my last job I was in charge of running the company's constant contact account. It was my job to create, send, and manage (spam) email.

The admin assistants would copy email addresses from the web, paste them to a spread sheet and I would import the spread sheet into constant contact, of course lying about the emails being from an opt-in list.

Then I would create emails and send them out. I would meet with my boss about effective from and subject lines. For Example, if the email was going to schools we would say that the email was from the "District Office" and the subject we be "Updates to the science curriculum."

It only went down from there. Surprisingly constant contact hasn't shut them down yet and they have been doing this for the past 4 or so years.

I am no longer with the company.

Raydal · 11-23-2009, 07:49 AM

A very close cousin to this type of title is "Here's your download info"
or "You've just made a sale" and then the email goes on to explain
that this is what you'll see in your emails when you BUY this or
that program.

This I find deceptive because for sure it will increase your open
rates but not your conversion rates for sure. Again, people who
are thinking short term don't mind upsetting their subscribers
along the way.

-Ray Edwards

Martin.Avis · 11-23-2009, 08:03 AM

This kind of crap is right up there with subject lines that say the message is 'personal', when it is anything but.

I often see this kind of garbage from wannabee marketers who think it makes them look cutting edge. It doesn't.

Martin

JAIDEEP2959 · 11-23-2009, 10:54 AM

I am getting these type of emails from the last 1 year.

The headline is completely misleading. It is clearly spamming.

Ken Strong · 11-23-2009, 03:44 PM

You should take the spammer's name and email address out of your subject line -- like most Warrior threads, this one is already indexed and you're just giving him publicity (probably not that much, but still).

Danny Turner · 11-24-2009, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

If the subject is misleading then it's spam, pure and simple.

chuckle - that would make a fair percentage of emails from IMer's spam mmmmmmm

pizzatherapy · 11-24-2009, 03:02 AM

The first time I recieved an email like that, quite a while ago, I opened it. Clearly a spammer...
But that was the last time. I just delete those emails, now.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me...

Steve Peters Benn · 11-24-2009, 05:20 AM

Ahh,

That's pathetic. I get people sending offers to my billing email address. The only thing this is used for is sending out invoices.

The emails always have opt out forms - but I am quite clear that I never opted in, as I don't even have that account set up in anything - its just a robo mail box...

11-23-2009, 01:47 AM	#1
mikeyman120 Mike-Nagle.com War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY, USA Posts: 1,079 Thanks: 198 Thanked 186 Times in 115 Posts Social Networking	Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople That was the subject line I got in my email from paypal just a little while ago. It came just 24 hours after I emailed my small list with 3 websites I have with paydotcom hoping to get 1 order so I can get $37 into my paypal account to get into the war room. At first I was excited when I got the email and didn't know where I should check first either the email they just sent me from paypal(that's the exact subject line they use) or should I log into my paypal account to see if I have enough to get into the war room. I decided to open the email first and found it was a fake. It wasn't paypal. I then noticed it wasn't their email address either It was some marketer selling a MMO ebook. Normally I wouldn't care what a marketer does but that was annoying as I was expecting an order. It was spam email too. I am not on this persons list. But they got me to open it right away so its one heck of a powerful subject line. So the war rooms on hold for now. That son of a ..... So The Question Is - WOULD ANYONE USE THIS SUBJECT LINE WITH THEIR OWN LIST OF PEOPLE just to try to get more people to open your email? Mike
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11-23-2009, 01:54 AM	#2
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11-23-2009, 02:52 AM	#3
Profit-smart Aut Inveniam Aut Faciam War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 330 Thanks: 41 Thanked 111 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) I see this all the time, along with "Echeck payment notification" and so forth. It's sad really.
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11-23-2009, 02:56 AM	#4
mostphere HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 230 Thanks: 16 Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) Well, although it get opened it will shut in second. I see these kind of emails daily in my spam box. I don't know where they come from, just really annoying. But if the subject truly deliver, I guess it will be good. But what kind of email will subject like that except spam? :-)

11-23-2009, 02:57 AM	#5
BIG Mike Drunken Greek War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greece Posts: 9,981 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,194 Thanked 4,200 Times in 1,250 Posts	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) If the subject is misleading then it's spam, pure and simple.
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11-23-2009, 02:59 AM	#6
dsmpublishing Banned War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,738 Blog Entries: 209 Thanks: 104 Thanked 227 Times in 160 Posts Social Networking	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) Hi guys i remember trying out listjoe.com a while ago and many of them in the community used to break the rules by putting in the title - list joe new rules please read or list joe announcement so its not a new thing. Its really annoying though and because of how much it actually annoys you i doubt it will get any sales even though it will get plenty of opens. I am sure they can go down in history as having the lowest conversion rates! kind regards sam X

11-23-2009, 02:59 AM	#7
Andyhenry Beware - Straight Talker War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,502 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 1,225 Thanked 4,702 Times in 1,582 Posts Social Networking	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) I got it too. I didn't open it - just selected it as spam and blocked the domain. This sort of spam is offensive and idiotic. Some people have no ethics and will do anything to try and scratch some cash from a naive person who mistakes their crap for a proper email.
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11-23-2009, 04:36 AM	#8
milan An Old Hippie War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: All Over Europe Posts: 1,596 Thanks: 114 Thanked 129 Times in 81 Posts Contact Info	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) Ethics aside, that kind of subject line is plain stupid: people don't like to be cheated! You can't expect to cheat them and ask them to get their wallet a second after.
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11-23-2009, 06:51 AM	#9
TheWealthSquad Scott Lovingood War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: East TN Posts: 327 Blog Entries: 16 Thanks: 76 Thanked 109 Times in 69 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) While the purpose of a headline is to get you to open the email, none of us have that as our END goal. With this headline you won't get people to take the next step of reading your email, clicking your link and buying your product. Don't confuse optimizing one step of the sales process with optimizing the end result. I have seen it happen in the manufacturing industry too. people will optimize their individual process with no thought to how it impacts the total process. Your goal is to convert prospects into customers. This headline sure won't do it. If anything it will drive them away from you in droves. Avoid it at all costs.
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11-23-2009, 07:01 AM	#10
Floyd Fisher Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: , , . Posts: 5,430 Thanks: 274 Thanked 183 Times in 140 Posts	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) IIRC, those kinds of subject lines are a violation of Can Spam. Plus, there is a very strong possibility such an email could be reported as phishing....mucho trouble. Wouldn't do it myself unless a gun was pointed at my head....that's asking for major trouble.
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11-23-2009, 07:03 AM	#11
Adam Carn Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: London, United Kingdom Posts: 845 Thanks: 339 Thanked 161 Times in 55 Posts Social Networking	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) I used to get these a long time ago, they seemed to have stopped now. Adam
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11-23-2009, 07:09 AM	#12
Robyn8243 HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 355 Thanks: 77 Thanked 77 Times in 47 Posts	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) Anytime I get any kind of Notification of Payment type headline, if I recognize it for what it is I delete it. If it is not already delivered in my spam box, I will mark it as spam. I can't imagine anyone remotely successful thinking this is okay. Getting people to open emails is just one part of the equation. This destroys all credibility. Robyn

11-23-2009, 07:23 AM	#13
tommen Advanced Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: St.Petersburg, Florida Posts: 770 Thanks: 43 Thanked 44 Times in 42 Posts Social Networking	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) I have seen those as well, and opened the emails.I think it is unethical to send emails like that and completely destroys the marketers credibility.
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11-23-2009, 07:24 AM	#14
Imran Naseem Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: UK, Manchester Posts: 0 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,193 Thanked 799 Times in 375 Posts	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) It is a desperate call for help. Its pathetic, stupid and silly. Very immature and this marketer should know better. He should simply quit and get a job.

11-23-2009, 07:25 AM	#15
keithng > Live Life Passion < Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: KL Posts: 53 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Contact Info	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) I get this kind of email too lately.. It is very annoying and the best part is the sender is nowhere can be found, can't unsubscribe, can't even stop this email coming to my inbox... Anyone have any idea to stop this?
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11-23-2009, 07:34 AM	#16
blur HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 232 Thanks: 43 Thanked 21 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) This kind of thing used to be my job! In my last job I was in charge of running the company's constant contact account. It was my job to create, send, and manage (spam) email. The admin assistants would copy email addresses from the web, paste them to a spread sheet and I would import the spread sheet into constant contact, of course lying about the emails being from an opt-in list. Then I would create emails and send them out. I would meet with my boss about effective from and subject lines. For Example, if the email was going to schools we would say that the email was from the "District Office" and the subject we be "Updates to the science curriculum." It only went down from there. Surprisingly constant contact hasn't shut them down yet and they have been doing this for the past 4 or so years. I am no longer with the company.

11-23-2009, 07:49 AM	#17
Raydal Veteran Copywriter War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sarasota, FL, USA. Posts: 3,421 Thanks: 178 Thanked 1,290 Times in 580 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) A very close cousin to this type of title is "Here's your download info" or "You've just made a sale" and then the email goes on to explain that this is what you'll see in your emails when you BUY this or that program. This I find deceptive because for sure it will increase your open rates but not your conversion rates for sure. Again, people who are thinking short term don't mind upsetting their subscribers along the way. -Ray Edwards
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11-23-2009, 10:54 AM	#19
JAIDEEP2959 Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,102 Thanks: 72 Thanked 219 Times in 80 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) I am getting these type of emails from the last 1 year. The headline is completely misleading. It is clearly spamming.
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11-23-2009, 03:44 PM	#20
Ken Strong Marxist (Groucho) War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seattle, WA, USA. Posts: 4,911 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 786 Thanked 1,616 Times in 750 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) You should take the spammer's name and email address out of your subject line -- like most Warrior threads, this one is already indexed and you're just giving him publicity (probably not that much, but still).
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11-24-2009, 03:02 AM	#22
pizzatherapy Albert Grande War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA. Posts: 280 Thanks: 107 Thanked 75 Times in 57 Posts Social Networking	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) The first time I recieved an email like that, quite a while ago, I opened it. Clearly a spammer... But that was the last time. I just delete those emails, now. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me...
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11-24-2009, 05:20 AM	#23
Steve Peters Benn Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Leeds, United Kingdom. Posts: 3,529 Thanks: 640 Thanked 366 Times in 188 Posts Social Networking	Re: Item #352 - Notification of Payment Received from Criss Ople (wealth32@yahoo.com) Ahh, That's pathetic. I get people sending offers to my billing email address. The only thing this is used for is sending out invoices. The emails always have opt out forms - but I am quite clear that I never opted in, as I don't even have that account set up in anything - its just a robo mail box...