Newbie needs advice, not doing very well

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:confused: Hello everyone,

I'm stuck, I have about 30 niche sites in addition to my main blog, the main blog is where I am promoting Adsense and affiliate products and the rest all have adsense ads and clickbank ads, amazon, and eBay ads. I have been at it about six months and I'm only making pennies with the ads and a few dollars with the clickbank stuff.

I bought about 120,000 PLR articles that I am posting on my blog and submitting to many article sites, most of them are about IM, blogging for profit, etc. etc.

I have created sitemaps and submitted them to Google for all the sites. I have submitted numerous articles with a article submission program and I use "Onlywire" to submit my sites.

I'm retired and on a fixed income so I need to get this going as soon as possible. I have been reading everything I can find on this forum and other places about twelve hours a day. Some of my video I made for Youtube and Metacafe are even putting me on page one or two of Google. But I still am getting nothing. I'm confused and don't know what to do next.

I have not tried anything with building a list which is something it looks like I should be doing but I know nothing about it. I wasn't born yesterday so I know that a lot of the stuff I read is bull and I see the same sites with the same picture of people holding up their Adsense check for $37,000 or some rediculious number.

I am aware that a lot of people are making serious money in IM and it is possible. I know my way around a computer and software pretty well so I guess I just need some direction from people who are succeeding at IM. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I wanted to put some of the sites on this post so you could see what I am trying but it won't let me because I don't have 15 posts yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author hotftuna
    One small word of advice- If you are using PLR, be sure to re-write them and make sure they become fairly unique and read well.
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  • Profile picture of the author robyrobertson
    Hi tjs. I am just emerging from the same position you are in now. Here is my 2 cents. You need tons, I mean TONS of traffic to make money with adsense. I use it but don't count on it. I have a couple sniper blog sites that don't make much and it is because I just chose the wrong niche or product. I am getting traffic to some of them but the products don't convert. My limited experience is that that once you figure out the traffic thing, you have to choose the right niche. Not an easy task but if the product's you promote don't convert, you hit a wall. You can check out cbengine if you have not already done so. Also take a look at micro niche finder and see if you think it will help. Best advice I can give is don't quit. It takes time...

    Good Luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author steve39
      Just a question: Have you done proper keyword research for your 30 niche sites? Did you include the keyword in the url? Are you posting keyword rich content on each site? Are you getting backlinks with the keyword as your anchor text?

      Or maybe your sites are too broad and you are targeting keywords that are too competitive.

      As far as the PLR goes, it sounds like you bought a package that is already mass distributed. There is nothing wrong with that, but you are going to have to substantially rewrite them before you post.
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  • Profile picture of the author KateD
    Tjs,

    I feel for you. But don't give up just yet. There's enough digital money out there for all of us to have our cups full.

    I'm biased of course, but generally when I hear about someone doing a lot of work but not getting anywhere, I immediately suspect that it might be due to poor keyword selection. And for IM, basing your content and marketing off of proper keyword phrases (low competition/high search demand) will make it much easier to generate online income.

    Even in highly competitive niches like Internet Marketing, Make Money Online, Forex, etc, there's still great keyword phrases to focus on.

    Don't give up. Keep taking (the correct) actions. Keep asking questions when you get stuck or discouraged. But don't give up.

    Much Success,

    KateD
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Spencer
      One thing that I notice you're doing is having 30 niche sites...why are you focusing on so many niches?

      I've made all of 7 dollars my whole life from adsense and it's arguably a scam at this point....I hesitate to use the word scam but it's a "scam on your time" (for those who are going to flip out when they read adsense and scam in the same sentence)

      If you're doing all this work (which I believe you are) you should be putting the effort into building a list.

      I'm gatherin you're using wordpress so get an autoresponder account at Aweber, create a new list (there are videos there to show this step by step and Customer support is great), and drop a form in your sidebar to start collecting emails.

      This way, when you launch a new article you can email those people and they will populate your site.

      Basically, Adsense is done and is what made Google a bazillionaire. I don't know too many people who make a full time income with 10 cents a click (google gets a big chunk of what an advertiser bids on)

      Building a list allows you to sell products where you make 10, 20, 50, 100, and so on commissions for working once (getting them on your list)

      I guess the situation I see is you working really really hard (which is awesome...) doing the online equivalent of "flipping burgers for minimum wage...God making a living at McDonald's would be super hard.

      Does that make sense?

      Cheers,

      Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author PLRwithAlex
    Perhaps building some blogs in non-IM niches will do better for you. It sounds like you're on the right track you just need to diversify.
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    • Profile picture of the author plutus
      Hi tjs,

      This is such a common question and unfortunately also such a common situation you find yourself in.

      I have been involved in the Stockmarket, Commodity and Currency field for about 15 years now, in both an advisory role and a more hands on pratical investing/trading role.

      I see the same things coming out of your post as I regularly see coming out of clients in those fields. I will try in as few words as possible to simplify what I believe you should either do or be doing...

      This is a pretty simple process (only about 5 steps - might be more but I am not going to re-read or re-edit this so give or take it's about 5)

      In a nutshell it all pretty much comes down to focus...

      1 - What do you enjoy doing ? What industry / field / hobbies are you involved in ?
      you say you have about 30 niche sites in addition to your main blog. - Absolutely no offense intended but this is crazy.
      Pick one niche, choose more suitable sub-niches from that main niche, learn all you can about that topic and concentrate on that

      2 - Develop a plan - be it a simple business plan or something more complicated, you need to know where you are going and how you are going to get there.
      Do not think of this as a one time write it and forget it deal... No... this is and should always be a work in progress. - go get yourself freemind (google search the term download freemind) and use it to brainstorm and map out your plan

      3 - Get a List - You have got to stop getting onetime traffic to your site then never utilizing it again. Develop strategies for how you want to get that traffic to give you their name and/or contact details.
      Your next stage here is to learn who these people are, their wants, needs, likes, dislikes, problems and worries.

      4 - Learn to monetize - This is a little bit more of a play on what I would tell trading clients as they are strictly dealing with money and profit loss scenarios, BUT... You need to fully grasp your objectives for being online and you need to learn how to meet them.
      There are so many ways to monetize a list rather than a flow of traffic that has randomly found its way to a page on one of your niche sites

      5 - Continually second guess yourself - By this I mean monitor and scrutinize everything you do. Some guys online include this in what they call testing. To me it is easier to merely say monitor what works and do that more, monitor what doesn't work (and the mistakes you make) and do that less.


      If you follow the above you will (IMO) produce far more consistent and far more enjoyable profits.

      Hope this helps in some way.

      BTW, you don't have to get into the IM and make money niches. There are plenty of others


      Cheers,

      Plutus
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      • Profile picture of the author tjs1954
        Originally Posted by plutus View Post

        Hi tjs,

        This is such a common question and unfortunately also such a common situation you find yourself in.

        I have been involved in the Stockmarket, Commodity and Currency field for about 15 years now, in both an advisory role and a more hands on pratical investing/trading role.

        I see the same things coming out of your post as I regularly see coming out of clients in those fields. I will try in as few words as possible to simplify what I believe you should either do or be doing...

        This is a pretty simple process (only about 5 steps - might be more but I am not going to re-read or re-edit this so give or take it's about 5)

        In a nutshell it all pretty much comes down to focus...

        1 - What do you enjoy doing ? What industry / field / hobbies are you involved in ?
        you say you have about 30 niche sites in addition to your main blog. - Absolutely no offense intended but this is crazy.
        Pick one niche, choose more suitable sub-niches from that main niche, learn all you can about that topic and concentrate on that

        2 - Develop a plan - be it a simple business plan or something more complicated, you need to know where you are going and how you are going to get there.
        Do not think of this as a one time write it and forget it deal... No... this is and should always be a work in progress. - go get yourself freemind (google search the term download freemind) and use it to brainstorm and map out your plan

        3 - Get a List - You have got to stop getting onetime traffic to your site then never utilizing it again. Develop strategies for how you want to get that traffic to give you their name and/or contact details.
        Your next stage here is to learn who these people are, their wants, needs, likes, dislikes, problems and worries.

        4 - Learn to monetize - This is a little bit more of a play on what I would tell trading clients as they are strictly dealing with money and profit loss scenarios, BUT... You need to fully grasp your objectives for being online and you need to learn how to meet them.
        There are so many ways to monetize a list rather than a flow of traffic that has randomly found its way to a page on one of your niche sites

        5 - Continually second guess yourself - By this I mean monitor and scrutinize everything you do. Some guys online include this in what they call testing. To me it is easier to merely say monitor what works and do that more, monitor what doesn't work (and the mistakes you make) and do that less.


        If you follow the above you will (IMO) produce far more consistent and far more enjoyable profits.

        Hope this helps in some way.

        BTW, you don't have to get into the IM and make money niches. There are plenty of others


        Cheers,

        Plutus
        Thanks Plutus,
        I think you are right that I am spreading myself too thin, I guess I first thought that the more sites I have the better chance of making money. I am rethinking that strategy.
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        • Profile picture of the author tjs1954
          I sure appreciate everyones input. To try and answer most of your questions at once,
          I have so many sites because the programs I am using make it so easy to build them that I just kinda went nuts. I have a reseller account at hostgator so it makes it easy to host them all, they are all subjects that interest me. For example: about four of them on The Merchant Marines, (I used to sail) Gray wolves, Bald eagles, bluebirds, hummingbirds, the pythons in the everglades down here where I live, The Edmund fitzgerald, (ship that sank on Lake Superior when I was sailing in 1975), various IM and Adsense sites. Most of them I just published and hoped something would happen.

          Only a few are WordPress so as I said I need to rethink my strategy and channel all my efforts in one direction instead of chasing my tail.

          Meanwhile I will keep reading everything everyone is posting on here to come up with a plan of attack.
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  • Profile picture of the author shartzog
    You can use the jet spinner dot com to spin your articles so that they are more unique
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    • Profile picture of the author tjs1954
      The niche I am working on the hardest only has 347,000 on a Google search. I used Sitebulider Elite to create the site and I am using everything I can find to submit the RSS page. On the PLR's, I bought the WP Unique plug-in from Steve to use on them to spin them etc. so they look original. I think I might do a WP blog on that same niche so I can use Steve's Article "uniquify" on that niche. Thanks to everyone for the helpful advice and I hope all of you had a nice Thankgiving, I know I did.

      Tim
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    • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
      I give last preference to money making from Google adsense as adsense rates are very cheap these days.

      If you can write articles in good English, start article writing and blog posting for others.

      You can post to Yahoo answers also.

      You can start domain flipping also.

      Firstly you need to join War Room to get quality information about money making online.

      Good Luck.
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      • Profile picture of the author xntrik
        What about selling your existing websites, taking the money and putting together a good ebook (or outsource one), maybe make a WSO or two, list it with ClickBank/Amazon, etc. Attract some affiliates?
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      • Profile picture of the author JeffLam
        tjs,

        I highly second Plutus's great response. His strategy outlined is a good one to follow!

        I also am one that would use adsense as a last option manner of making money.

        Adsense is simply too traditional 'hope' styled marketing - you throw up some sites, you throw in the advertisements and you pray that users click on the advertisements.

        You have only a little control over the type of advertisement shown. It may be the same niche, but totally different topic within the niche.

        Hence, it is way better for you to make money via:

        1) Cost per Acquisition (CPA) offers
        2) Article Writing
        3) Your own full fledged online business with article, video marketing, etc, with your own product and list.

        I wish you good luck!
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  • I see this SO many times its called TACTICS before STRATEGY - its the wrong way!

    Take a breather get away from your PC and work out the STRATEGY first before you start spending ALL your time on TACTICS!

    Good Luck

    Sohail
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    Stop the nonsense. Get a mentor.

    Franck
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    If you're using PLR, rewrite them. You have really two options here: first, you can get software that will help you do it semi-automatically such as Magic Article Rewriter, or you can do it by hand but with a tool that tells you exactly how much your article and the seed article are alike, that being ContentMania. I have and use both depending on my mood, but if you really want to be sure I recommend ContentMania.

    If you're going to build a list (yes!) then you should check out Imnica Mail by Warrior Richelo Killian. More leads for much less than GR or AW and he is very responsive when it comes to support.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanta99
      Some Quick Questions:

      1. What is your level of traffic?
      2. What CTRs (click thru rates) are you getting with Adsense?
      3. Are you ranked for any of the above terms on a search engine?
      4. What CPC are you getting from your ads?
      If you answered a low number for 1, 2, 4, or if you answered no to number 3 then you might want to work on those.
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  • Profile picture of the author therise
    I got useful info from this thread, thanks everyone!
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