How important is it to build a list of subscribers?

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I have many sites, that are recieving thousands of visitors daily, how important is it to build a list of subscribers?

I haven't even attempted this and i'm sure i could build a massive list in no time. I'm just not sure how to go about it, is there certain software i need?

By me not building a list, have i missed out big on income?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
#build #important #list #subscribers
  • Profile picture of the author Sensei.Design
    well its pretty important because subscribing to your blog or newsletter means the people will come back everytime you post a new article or write a newsletter (and of course you can also use subscribers to maximise your earnings)
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  • Profile picture of the author winebuddy
    Its THE most important thing you can do in Internet Marketing
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  • Profile picture of the author aaron_nimocks
    It depends on your niche really. But most sites can benefit greatly in terms of income by building a list.

    If your sites offer great content that you can also pass to your users via email to build their trust in you then I would say go for it.
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  • What do you need to start with, for building a list?
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    • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
      Originally Posted by dragonetinvestments View Post

      What do you need to start with, for building a list?
      Something to offer them.

      Building a list is Not necessary, but it sure does help.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    You should be building a list(s)

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  • Profile picture of the author Jacer
    Not building a list is sorta like sitting on top of a mountain of money, and not putting any in your pockets.

    In other words, you'd be crazy not to build one!
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  • Profile picture of the author Amitywill
    It's very important if you know how to get your subscribers to buy from
    you. A list is just a tool at the end of the day. If you don't know how to
    use it then you're not going to get the results you want.

    If however you can learn how to build trust and get your subscribers to
    buy from you then yes having a list is very important to your bottom line.

    Will
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  • Profile picture of the author Null-11
    To build a list of subscribers means nothing... To build a list of buyers means EVERYTHING.
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    • Profile picture of the author warriorkevin
      This is sort of a chicken and egg problem

      I think if you can capture a list - you should. I call it collecting customers. Most people don't do it, but if you don't, then every time you want to market you start ofer from scratch.

      But to build a list, you need customers - or at least interested parties.

      Ultimately you have to create something of value, then get people who are interested in that market to your site/page to buy/subscribe to get your product/offering.


      So ultimately, I think the list is important, something I overlooked for far too long. But you have to have someting in place to build that list and continue fostering goodwill to the list.

      That is why I think it is a bit like the 'chicken or the egg' problem. Sort of a catch-22.

      What it means is that like all marketing, you need to start by finding a hungry market and figuring out a solution they want. Then use standard methods to reach them in order to get a sale and or subscriber.

      Everything starts with market. Everything else is just wasting time in my opinion - list or no list.
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      • Profile picture of the author cdhartpence
        You can get on quite well without ever building a list.

        That said, I realize that the overwhelmingly popular approach to IM on Warrior Forum IS via listbuilding.

        That's because it is (can be, when properly executed) very powerful.

        When done incorrectly, you can really p*ss people off (sadly, an awful lot of people wind up in this group)

        IF you decide to build a list, do it carefully and respect the people who trusted you enough to give you their e-mail addys.

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    • Profile picture of the author bigbearmarketer
      Building a list is vital and I am really stating to see this now and the power of having a list. You probably have missed out on some sales but thats ok its all a learning experience.

      You first need to get yourself a auto responder like getresponse or aweber these are 2 of the best and cost around $20 a month, but well worth the investment.

      You then will want to give away something for free to entice them to give you their contact information, once you get their information you can continue to email them as long as they stay subscribed.

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  • Profile picture of the author KristiDaniels
    Lists aren't inherently valuable. I receive offers for lists of doctors in the U.S. as spam all the time.

    A list of buyers is very valuable though. If you convert at a 1% rate with the visitors to your site, you will probably convert 25% of buyers with a new offer each time you make one.

    Not sending your offer to prior customers because you didn't make a list of them is throwing away money.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    I love the many post that state list building is very important but yet no explanation of backing that up...

    Fact is you do not "have"to build a list and the Fact is that a list is not for everybody. Some can communicate well to their list and build relationships with them while others are not so great at doing that.

    Building a list is something that you should decide to do and not just follow the crowd because they say you must have a list or it is the most important thing in IM.. Fact is it is not the most important thing in IM and you do not have to have a list to be successful.

    Before you decide if this is something for you I would suggest getting in touch with Troy for a link to his website that is all about list building
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  • Profile picture of the author Arun Kumar
    I strongly believe that building a list is the important step in the IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Corners
    If you can grow a list of active subscribers, your marketing efforts can be decreased a lot (and so save a lot of money too) and you can generate profits just from sending out email to your list as long as you offer something of value on a regular basis.
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  • Profile picture of the author MR.MOE
    The list = money
    Whenever you have a product or make a product about that niche that you subscriber subscribed to you can send it to them and easily make sales.

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  • Thanks for all your comments! is there some sort of email sender can send many emails at once?

    I've read up on a few things about building a list now! think i'm going to take the plunge to build a good list.

    How often should you email your list?
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by dragonetinvestments View Post

      Thanks for all your comments! is there some sort of email sender can send many emails at once?

      I've read up on a few things about building a list now! think i'm going to take the plunge to build a good list.

      How often should you email your list?
      Well you could very well buy a system all-in-one that will not require you to have any type auto-responder or any monthly fees like you do with aweber. This greatly depends upon what you want to do and how you want to do it..

      As far as how often, many will have a difference of opinion on this but 1 - 2 times a week is fine but then again it depends upon what you are doing.

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I thought I was going to be only one saying something different again, but then I read James's post (TheRichJerksNet) - who said what I wanted to. (thanks)

    You don't NEED a list.

    A list isn't ESSENTIAL.

    It's not going to make or break your ability to make money.

    Just look at your business and decide if/how it solves a problem for you and do it in a way that suits YOU.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Alexander
    However you view the list, there is a difference between lists that have paid customers on them and those that don't. As said above, it does depend on each business and your business goals.

    That being said, in a "typical" business, it can be MUCH easier to keep a customer through having a "list" and the right kind of communication with them than the money spent on acquiring customers.

    Again - it takes less work and time once you've invested the time and money to keep a customer, than to find and convert a new one. Most retailers for example though in the offline world are slow to get this, if they ever do.

    If someone gives you money, they have proven themselves someone worthy of a relationship to keep and foster. Yet most people look to "getting" more new people in their door so to speak than paying attention to the customers under their nose.

    Should you have a list? Sure. But more importantly it's how you acquire and then go on to treat that list that determines the kind of value you expect to get from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I think there's a lot of assumptions about how people want to run their business.

    A list means - relationships.

    Some people 'need' this - some avoid it.

    Both make money,.

    When I sell software - I want the relationship and long term revenue.

    If I want Adsense income - I can ignore it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Alexander
    Good call Andy.

    In my head, I hadn't considered the Adsense income models and those like it. Well put - much more succintly than I was able to.
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  • Profile picture of the author kevinfar
    Building a relationship with people on your list is critical. It's really no use having a large list if you don't connect with the people on your list.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by kevinfar View Post

      Building a relationship with people on your list is critical. It's really no use having a large list if you don't connect with the people on your list.
      But having a list is completely optional and not necessary for everyone...
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  • Profile picture of the author n8
    I'm going to rehash what most people have already said but, the money is in your list. Just like a business that is offline, you always want to collect leads and the guy with the biggest funnel of the most qualified leads makes the most money! Most autoresponders GR or Aweber make it pretty simple to just copy and paste opt in pages so you can collect leads. Always over deliver and treat them like family and you'll have a customer for life!
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  • Profile picture of the author grandstar
    Build as list now. Wish thousands of visitors to your website, you'll probably have a 30,000 subscriber list in a years time.

    Imagine if 2% of whatever you sell to them converted that is 600 sales. Imagine if your income was $23/sale, thats $13,800.

    Imagine earning that every 2 weeks!
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Whilst I would agree that list building is not essential to make money..

    I do believe that the majority of people, looking to make money online, should be building list(s)...

    A few points.....

    I'm not gonna quote and reply to everyone, just sharing a few thoughts.

    1) Although list building isn't essential, the true power of a list needs to be taken into account when thinking about niche marketing. Not only do you increase your profit potential per visitor. You are also building a database of people who are actively seeking information in your chosen niche.

    Regardless of how you are trying to turn a profit in a niche, I bet you would happily ask people in your niche ten questions given the chance, eh?

    So...

    Even if those people aren't buying from you right now... They can be extremely valuable to you in the long term. All you need to do is get them to fill out a FREE survey and you have market research to die for.

    2) A list does NOT necessarily mean relationships!

    A list built from an "adsense" site, can increase your future adsense profits. Simply collect names and notify them of new content being published on the site. All can be done automatically, without any involvement or relationships.

    After very solid testing, we were able to achieve equal adsense profits, whilst building a list from every page on a 200 page website... we initially thought that the adsense income would dry up when the list was implemented.. we were wrong (the beauty of testing, eh? )

    Does amazon build a relationship with me?... NO... They take my name and e-mail and then send me mail when they have more stuff to sell me or tell me about. They don't need a bonding process, they just do it.

    3) List building can significantly increase your ability to build a successful business.

    Look...

    I don't care who is telling you that list building is not essential, because, whilst they are correct...

    Remember this:

    The advice you are being given is all well and good, if only the people giving you advice knew your business model. They don't, and neither do I.

    They are telling you this to give a complex perspective on the topic. It's fair game... list building is not essential to make money online, but it can (even when n00bs do it...lol) significantly increase your chances of turning a profit.

    So...

    Build a damn list!

    It takes 5 minutes to implement, and 3 minutes less to remove if you find that it isn't needed. Believe me, I'd be willing to bet my Evo on it that I could increase my profits on any site if I built a list.. ANY site!

    Just my opinion. It's free, worth every penny and meaningless if you aren't actually gonna test it

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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    You make it sound so easy. How are noobies like me supposed to follow such complicated advice? Why can't I just make blogs that bring in money without ever having to speak to people or deal with refunds?
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      I can't remember who said it (Dan Kennedy?), but good marketing will skyrocket a solid business. The same good marketing will kill a bad business quicker than no marketing at all.

      Here are my thoughts (which, like Jay said above, might be worth what you're paying for them) on a few things...

      Having a list for the sake of having a list is a waste of resources. If you decide to build a list, build it for a reason, then operate in ways that support that reason. If that means 'building a relationship', send emails that do that. If it means selling stuff, do that. Just be consistent so the folks on that list know what to expect.

      You don't need an autoresponder, self-hosted or through a service, to build a mailing list. We built mailing lists before aweber and the like were started. The only time you actually need an autoresponder of some sort is if you want to pre-program a sequence of messages so that each new subscriber gets the same messages at the same intervals after signing up.

      Jay, I do consider that I have a relationship with Amazon. It's the same kind of relationship I have with the fish market who drops me a message when they get in something they know I like. We aren't going to hold hands and watch the sunset on the beach, but it is a relationship nonetheless.

      Back to the OP - building a list of subscribers may be the most important thing you can do for your bottom line, or it could be the biggest time sink you have. Only you know for sure...
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    • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
      A responsive list can be the difference between making a one time sale and making multiple sales to the same customer over time.

      Example:

      You have an ebook about ways to build muscle quickly. You advertise it, and "Jim" clicks on your ad, reads your sales letter, and decides to purchase your book. Let's say Jim loves your book, uses the information in it, and gets a more muscualar body. Jim is happy.

      Now let's say a few months later, you decide to put together a DVD course that teaches even more advanced muscle building methods than your ebook, at a higher price point. Unless Jim just happens to still be searching for information on this topic and comes across your ad, he has no way of knowing about it.

      But had you built a list, you could've simply sent out an email to Jim and all your other previous customers when you were about to launch your new product, and turned many of them into repeat customers, without having to spend as much additional time/money on advertising.

      You could then go on to offer other products like personal coaching and maybe a monthly membership site, seminars and workshops, and affiliate products to your list. As opposed to having to promote all these offers through traditional advertising channels.

      So the main benefits of having a list are:

      1. You can increase your lifetime customer value by promoting additional products and services.

      2. By connecting with, and building trust and credibility with your subscribers, you can increase conversions for your offers. (As opposed to "cold" traffic to your site, where the prospect may not know or trust you).

      3. You can save money on advertising, since it doesn't cost you anything other than time (and maybe the cost of an autoresponder service) to send out an email to your list.

      Having said all that, there are some niches that lend themselves to this approach to marketing more than others. In general, if the solution your audience is seeking is a PROCESS, as opposed to a one-time thing, then list building can work for you.

      List building is common in niches like health and fitness, personal development/success, dating, making money online, stock trading, etc. because the prospect is likely to have a continuing interest in the subject, even after they purchase your product. Your product may genuinely help them improve their weight, phsysique, income, dating life, etc. but they'll still want further improvement (which you can provide through your free content and products).

      On the other hand, if you're selling a product that shows people how to get rid of their headaches, and your product does what it says it will, then once the person buys your product and their headache is gone, they really don't have any need for more information from you (That's not an absolute, I'm sure. I'm just speaking in general terms).

      So, long story short: Yes, building a responsive list can have definite benefits, but it's not ESSENTIAL, and the effectiveness of it can vary from niche to niche. I do think that you should be building a list in SOME niche, even if it's not your main one, due to the benefits listed above.

      Cheers!
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        I live near the coast, and lots of people have boats.

        I would tell others, I don't need a boat. I have friends with boats.

        I'll agree that you don't need a list - if you have friends with lists.

        It's true you can make money without it, but I think someone clever can figure out several ways to leverage any type of list to monetize on it. Even if you aren't actually selling them anything. If you can direct the traffic back to a site it is more opportunity for them to click on an ad on your site, opportunity to ask your people directly what they really want.

        A list can give you potential massive viral marketing.

        I forget about a lot of sites - but not the ones whose lists I'm on.

        For me personally, I was fortunate to have some list in place when a product went kaput. I was able to contact people, and give them an update to what had happened.

        Anyway, if one is serious about long term residual income I'll agree that a list or access to someones list can always come in handy.

        It is a garden of its own that needs to be nurtured and pruned. If you are just going to spam them, then don't bother.
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  • Thank you for everyones input regarding this and it's give me something to think about.
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  • It's absolutely important, it's like having a cash macine. Provided you built the right type of list (a buyer's list) it's almost like printing money on demand. The key is to provide valuable content to your list so they will appreciate you and listen to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSnow
    I have been in business for a long time now, both on and offline... And both have and are doing very well. IM is a very fun and creative way to go about doing things. One must like it, and have determination; however this is why I am so successful and I'll share a tip.

    Most if not ALL business fail because they "copy" others without doing solid research. It was kind of mentioned above that too much of the same thing is being done. Let me tell you lists are really big right now. However like all things in business they have a time of existence and something new needs to be born. I am not advising, to NOT do a list or you MUST do a list. However what I recommend is, before jumping onto anything ask yourself; what are the big players doing? Example what are Macintosh, Nike and Ford and for example what are they doing?
    Because they are right on the brink of really taking a big step in this bereft economy, and you REALLY have to stand out; and if you look like everything and everyone else it becomes rudimentary fast. List, list, list, people get use to if fast and it looses it's impact.

    Am I using a list system now you may ask? Yes. However I am always looking to be creative and to always get the mind share of my customers!

    -Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Dragonet,

    It is most probably THE most single important factor in building a long-term and sustainable internet business. Do not waste the opportunity to convert your visitors into subscribers, and also be sure to treat them like gold so that you will be able to profit from them for many years to come.

    I'm positive you're missing out a lot by not doing this. How much? I'm sure you've heard the golden rule of $1 per subscriber per month, so a conservative figure would be in the thousands if you've been having visitors to your website for any length of time!

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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Corners
    Try reading Mutlipe Streams of Internet Income, Robert Allen gives a very compelling reason for building a list. I've found it helpful myself and think you will find the info useful as well, especially with all the traffic you're getting.
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