Product is Delisted on Clickbank Marketplace

16 years ago

Originally Posted by sree94

Hello, the two main products that I promote were both delisted today on Clickbank's marketplace.

Both? Wow... well, to the extent that your hoplinks are still working, and that the websites themselves are still online and accepting payments through ClickBank, keep pushing the products. Any idea why the products were removed from the ClickBank marketplace?

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Neil S

16 years ago

If you are referring to RegCure I read a post on another board stating that Paretologic has contacted Clickbank to get it back on the Marketplace. Perhaps someone hear can confirm that they are still recieving commission from RegCure.

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Steven Wagenheim

16 years ago

Your products only remain listed as long as you make at least one sale a
month. If a month goes by that you make no sales, it gets removed from
the marketplace.

You get the first 30 days free under new products. After that, if no sales,
it's gone.

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Janet Sawyer

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Your products only remain listed as long as you make at least one sale a month. If a month goes by that you make no sales, it gets removed from the marketplace.

You get the first 30 days free under new products. After that, if no sales,
it's gone.

Well, that's news to me. Thanks Steven.

However, I think the original poster (OP) was talking about products that are not dependant on the "You get the first 30 days free under the new products" section.
I think the OP was talking about long standing products ...........

However, then again I could be wrong. Sometimes I can be, don't ya know

I dislike Clickbank so much, every penny I have made from them, they have suckered back, and they are doing it again. But, I'm not even going to go there at this time of night (01:18)
To coin a new phrase - clickbank is for quick........... I'll leave it there.

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Steven Wagenheim

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Janet Sawyer

Well, that's news to me. Thanks Steven.

However, I think the original poster (OP) was talking about products that are not dependant on the "You get the first 30 days free under the new products" section.
I think the OP was talking about long standing products ...........

However, then again I could be wrong. Sometimes I can be, don't ya know

I dislike Clickbank so much, every penny I have made from them, they have suckered back, and they are doing it again. But, I'm not even going to go there at this time of night (01:18)
To coin a new phrase - clickbank is for quick........... I'll leave it there.

Janet, this has been Clickbank's policy for as long as I can remember.
You only stay in the marketplace as long as you make at least one sale
a month. The first month you don't, the next month you're gone.

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Janet Sawyer

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Janet, this has been Clickbank's policy for as long as I can remember.
You only stay in the marketplace as long as you make at least one sale
a month. The first month you don't, the next month you're gone.

Thanks Steven,

Working my way around clickbank.

Had an account there for years! but all they seem to do is make me not quite enough sales to get the check (might be my fault set it too high!)
and then they take the commissions off in monthly installments until there is nothing left! (takes them more than one or two mind you)

My accountant loves them, they are a great tax write off.

Only bad debt category ever is Clickbank.

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Daniel Molano

16 years ago

In my case, I purposefully delisted my product from the Clickbank marketplace so that my affiliates are not exposed to commission theft, I am losing sales, I am losing money, but my affiliates are not and that's what I want.

You see, millions of people know clickbank and if they hit your affiliate link and see it is a clickbank product, they will head straight to the marketplace, generate their own hoplink and purchase the product through that hoplink, so they get a 'discount' for it. This helps the merchant/publisher make more sales, but it hurts the affiliates.

Call me an ass, but I want to protect my affiliates, even if that means losing some sales.

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johnsamuels

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Molano

In my case, I purposefully delisted my product from the Clickbank marketplace so that my affiliates are not exposed to commission theft, I am losing sales, I am losing money, but my affiliates are not and that's what I want.

If you had aimed for a non IM niche you wouldn't have to worry about that.

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LB

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Molano

In my case, I purposefully delisted my product from the Clickbank marketplace so that my affiliates are not exposed to commission theft, I am losing sales, I am losing money, but my affiliates are not and that's what I want.

You see, millions of people know clickbank and if they hit your affiliate link and see it is a clickbank product, they will head straight to the marketplace, generate their own hoplink and purchase the product through that hoplink, so they get a 'discount' for it. This helps the merchant/publisher make more sales, but it hurts the affiliates.

Call me an ass, but I want to protect my affiliates, even if that means losing some sales.

You do realize this is only really hurting you...anyone can find the vendor ID by simply viewing the source on the checkout page. It's quite prominent.

Whether or not you are listed in the CB marketplace is irrelevant.

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Chris Lockwood 16 years ago

Originally Posted by LB

You do realize this is only really hurting you...anyone can find the vendor ID by simply viewing the source on the checkout page. It's quite prominent.

Agreed- it's impossible to hide the fact that you're using Clickbank, and as soon as someone notices, they can use their own link if they want.

I don't see how keeping the product out of the marketplace does anything but suppress sales.

Why even use CB if you are worried about this? Run your own affiliate system that actually prevents people from using their own link.
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Jeremy Kelsall

16 years ago

I've seen you make this statement more than once and every time I see it, I just kind of shake my head.

You delisted your product because of "commission theft", right?

Well, anyone that would conspire to do that obviously knows how the system works, right?

So, what makes you think that Joe Scammer isn't going to click on one of your affiliates links and see:

http://yourID.product.clickbank.net

and then just change it to...

http://hisID.product.clickbank.net

The people that do this kind of thing are going to do it whether you actually list your product in the clickbank marketplace or not.

Essentially, what you are doing is making yourself invisible to the hundreds of new affiliates that probably sign up there daily looking for a product to promote.

I just don't see the logic behind it.

Originally Posted by Daniel Molano

In my case, I purposefully delisted my product from the Clickbank marketplace so that my affiliates are not exposed to commission theft, I am losing sales, I am losing money, but my affiliates are not and that's what I want.

You see, millions of people know clickbank and if they hit your affiliate link and see it is a clickbank product, they will head straight to the marketplace, generate their own hoplink and purchase the product through that hoplink, so they get a 'discount' for it. This helps the merchant/publisher make more sales, but it hurts the affiliates.

Call me an ass, but I want to protect my affiliates, even if that means losing some sales.

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seasoned

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Janet, this has been Clickbank's policy for as long as I can remember.
You only stay in the marketplace as long as you make at least one sale
a month. The first month you don't, the next month you're gone.

Are they still kept in the XML extract for the marketplace from clickbank?

Steve

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cheetu 16 years ago

Hi to all,

Chris is right, I also believe that due to in house program of paretologic CB has removed their rankings. I have been using that program for 6 months now. a strange has happen with me.

On 24th CB removed their rankings and on 25th they disabled my account for promoting products by freeware marketing. they say this will harm their network. they hold my checks for 90 days and then they will release with all the deductions they have made in every check issue.

The good about that in house affiliate program was.

1. site very fast
2. good trancking tools
3. smooth interface

I also feel it has better convertion then CB, i don't know why?

But I can recommed that program only for PPC users because I feel that program is optimized for that.

Any way as parato is out form CB's list, I am out form Parato's products I have chosen to promote others.

Thanks for confirmation Chris.

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- sree94 16 years ago
  
  After averaging about a sale per day of RegCure, things have totally dried up since the first of this month. No sales at all.
  
  Is it possible they could have pulled the commissions for others as well without saying anything?
  
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jhongren

16 years ago

Originally Posted by sree94

Hello, the two main products that I promote were both delisted today on Clickbank's marketplace.

They say I will still keep making commissions of these products.

Has anyone else experienced this, and if so, what happened?

When you are talking commission of "these products", are you referring to your own products and sales are made within these one month?

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John

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garyv

16 years ago

I'm still receiving commission from regcure - but I did receive an email from clickbank today telling me that they have been taken out of the marketplace, for violating Clickbanks terms and conditions. The email did say that the hoplinks would still work, and pay commission.

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sree94

16 years ago

I also just made a commission from it, so it still works.

Just a little nervous, since this is basically the only niche that I am doing well with these days!

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zuberr

16 years ago

Originally Posted by sree94

I also just made a commission from it, so it still works.

Just a little nervous, since this is basically the only niche that I am doing well with these days!

If you just made a commision from it, so that means the merchant
just made a sale and I suppose that is going to re-list the product
on the marketplace, right?

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joecool1972

16 years ago

Originally Posted by zuberr

If you just made a commision from it, so that means the merchant
just made a sale and I suppose that is going to re-list the product
on the marketplace, right?

This is what I am thinking. I understood about the 30 day rule; however, in that vain am I to understand that after a product is delisted for not making a sale, if it then goes on to make a sale while delisted, it will be relisted - PHEW, a lot of listings in that sentence, I think I confused myself - I think this is the case and sounds logical to me.

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JayXtreme

16 years ago

It's got nothing to do with the sale in this instance, although Steven is right about that rule...

RegCure was de-listed for numerous violations...

The product(s) are still selling and commissions are still to be paid.. the product just will not appear in the marketplace for new affiliates to find it, other affiliate's can still register if they find the page on the web or through a search etc..

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Jay

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chris_surfrider

16 years ago

I don't know exactly why it was pulled, but maybe it was because Pareto was essentially using ClickBank as a medium for building its own in-house affiliate program?

A few of the major merchants do this - they push their in-house system while getting affiliate exposure on CB.

Not a bad idea, but I can see why CB wouldn't like that too much

-Chris

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sree94

16 years ago

Originally Posted by chris_surfrider

I don't know exactly why it was pulled, but maybe it was because Pareto was essentially using ClickBank as a medium for building its own in-house affiliate program?

A few of the major merchants do this - they push their in-house system while getting affiliate exposure on CB.

Not a bad idea, but I can see why CB wouldn't like that too much

-Chris

Chris,

Do tell

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Janet Sawyer

16 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

It's got nothing to do with the sale in this instance, although Steven is right about that rule...

RegCure was de-listed for numerous violations...

The product(s) are still selling and commissions are still to be paid.. the product just will not appear in the marketplace for new affiliates to find it, other affiliate's can still register if they find the page on the web or through a search etc..

Peace

Jay

Thanks Jay,

Reg cure doesn't matter to me, I don't promote it anyway, it was the de listing issue I was trying to get my head around.

That makes some kind of sense now.

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16 years ago

Why'd they pull it?

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dclodge

16 years ago

Is there a way on CB to find out if a product is gone?

I had an affiliate product that I searched and found through Google. The website still was accepting affiliates, but i could not find them in CB. I emailed the product owner but no response back yet.

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donlester

16 years ago

There is so much to know and consider when you use clickbank. I am sure the pros must outweigh the cons or clickbank wouldn't be so popular. I often wonder what caused a vendor to be delisted when I go back to look and they are gone. I see now it can be as simple as lack of sales.

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Daniel Molano

16 years ago

Ah, but that is where you guys are wrong and I have tested this. Delisting it from the Clickbank marketplace is only half of it. I also:

1. Close the affiliate program page to customers only, so only my customers have access to it. That page is not even indexed by the search engines.

2. Have a link cloaking script in the affiliate program page so that not even my affiliates see the hoplink, they only see the cloaked affiliate link generated by the script.

So in other words, there is no visible way to generate or figure out my hoplink, nor a visible way to figure out my publisher ID.

I tested this by simply leaving it up in the marketplace two days and there were A LOT of 1 hop 1 orders, I delisted them and ALL became affiliate sales (from recruited affiliates), so it's been tested and it works. Anything to keep my affiliates happy.

I guess not many are as smart as you LB to look for the publisher ID in the source.

And the logic behind it, Jeremy, is actually quite simple. I like to keep affiliates that actually know what they are doing happy, rather than get people on board who have barely used Clickbank or have barely even promoted a product succesfully. ALSO, more than 10 of my affiliates have stated that they would NEVER promote a Clickbank product with a public affiliate program within the IM niche. So I guess I was right to do this.

In fact, they stated that one of the most important factors in choosing my product for promotion was the fact that it was a closed doors affiliate program.

Guys, the majority of commission theft doesn't come from hackers or programmers or anything of that sort, it comes from Average Joes that want a "discount". What I do prevents my affiliates from losing sales to them. In fact, I have yet to see a 1 hop 1 order since I closed the doors to the affiliate program.

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joecool1972

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Molano

Guys, the majority of commission theft doesn't come from hackers or programmers or anything of that sort, it comes from Average Joes that want a "discount". What I do prevents my affiliates from losing sales to them. In fact, I have yet to see a 1 hop 1 order since I closed the doors to the affiliate program.

Daniel, I have not seen this explained the way you explained it before. But now that I do it makes sense.

Those of us who have affiliates making our sales for us, if we analyse where the majority of our sales come from, I bet the 80/20 principal stands firm - it is 80/20 isn't it? I don't know for sure but I am on a roll so don't stop me know -. So keeping that 20% happy is the key and in fact there productivity will probably go up when they realise you are looking after them so well.

Daniel you have a wise head on your head for someone who has only been in this business for a few months - you surprise me...

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chris_surfrider

16 years ago

Daniel,

Re: customer-only affiliate program.

I understand your concerns regarding potential commission theft, however...

Be very careful when it comes to running a "customer only" affiliate program. There are laws concerning how this needs to be portrayed so that someone from, say, the FTC wouldn't deem it as buying into an opportunity, rather than a product.

Regardless of how well "spelled out" you may think it is currently, I strongly encourage you to seek legal advice (from a lawyer, not other marketers) so that you can proceed without any worries.

I know this might seem silly or overbearing to hear - but keep in mind that many of us have been in this business for quite a while, and we've seen well-intending people get shut down for less...

-Chris

P.S. Since you are experiencing exactly ZERO benefit from the CB network (no exposure to affiliates, which is the whole point) and paying very high processing fees - why not just get your own merchant account and use an in-house affiliate script?

Your per-transaction fees will be lowered significantly, and you can even screen your affiliates.

The only drawback is that you need to pay affiliates manually (paypal, checks, wire, etc) and collect tax info from any who earn more than $600 in commissions.

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Daniel Molano

16 years ago

Originally Posted by chris_surfrider

Daniel,

Re: customer-only affiliate program.

I understand your concerns regarding potential commission theft, however...

Be very careful when it comes to running a "customer only" affiliate program. There are laws concerning how this needs to be portrayed so that someone from, say, the FTC wouldn't deem it as buying into an opportunity, rather than a product.

Regardless of how well "spelled out" you may think it is currently, I strongly encourage you to seek legal advice (from a lawyer, not other marketers) so that you can proceed without any worries.

I know this might seem silly or overbearing to hear - but keep in mind that many of us have been in this business for quite a while, and we've seen well-intending people get shut down for less...

-Chris

P.S. Since you are experiencing exactly ZERO benefit from the CB network (no exposure to affiliates, which is the whole point) and paying very high processing fees - why not just get your own merchant account and use an in-house affiliate script?

Your per-transaction fees will be lowered significantly, and you can even screen your affiliates.

The only drawback is that you need to pay affiliates manually (paypal, checks, wire, etc) and collect tax info from any who earn more than $600 in commissions.

Hey Chris,

Thank you for the heads up on seeking legal advice, I never thought of it that way. Has anyone ever experienced problems with closed door affiliate programs? I don't see how it would be ilegall in any way, but then if Chris says it, he must be onto something. It wouldn't be buying into an opportunity, because serious affiliates are getting it for free anyway. But I will still do as you suggest and seek legal advice.

As for the why I use Clickbank, I have my own reasons and it's all part of a much bigger plan, when I execute it I will post about it in the main discussion forum and believe me you will be impressed, it's not anything unethical or ilegall at all.

But yes, what Chris says would be correct, if you are planning on running a closed doors affiliate program without an ulterior motive, you should be using a script and do it yourself (Such as the RAP script).

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Sham Salih

16 years ago

Im still reciving my daily commissions from RegCure

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