20,000 Dollars with A ProductLaunch Without Making Any Of The Content

[adriano9]

I have a idea of making big money with a productlaunch in a niche where i have no expertise in.
Plus the content of the product can be free and its going to be very good content.

BUT.... the person have to say yes first.

Heres the plan

I know a guy that is very good in helping people to get rid of panic attacks, but he knows absolutly nothing about IM.

I know becuase i saw his website and it was ugly. And he doesnt use autoresponders the title of hes articles are the worst keywords someone can use etc.. ( hes got a new website yesterday i think, it looks mutch better but still know autoresponder etc)

Its in no way optimized.
I dont think he know he can rank for the titles he uses.

But i know i has a huge following and i think its pure becuase he has such great knowledge.
He gives seminars and 1 on 1 session people love him, he get great results.
He makes lots of money doing this.
With the bad marketing he uses.

I was thinking of doing a productlaunch with this man. A big one.
I never did one and i never made a salespage or product whatsoever.
But whit the help of this form i know its gonna be very succesfull and maybe im gonna make mutch more then 20,000 dollar.

But first of all how should i aprouch him.
I have nothing to show for. He just has to trust me.
And when he said yes and wants to work with me what should i ask him for.

This is my plan.

1 Im gonna ask him if he wants to make a free report. To give away for people to optin on a sqeeuze page.

2 Im gonna ask him for a recording of a seminar so we can give that away on the day 2 to our list.

3 Maybe he can have one off hes students come on a call to share here experience wworking with him maybe more. for day 4

4 A Q and A webinar on day 6.

And then launch.

I handle all the marketing.

Create the salepage of the product, get joint vendors, create the sueeze page, creating the downloadpages, and creating the blog where al the prelaunch content is gonna be.
And im gonna pay for al the outsourcing.

He handles al the content ( what he loves believe me)
And we split profits.

I want to know guys what is the best way for me to get Joint ventures and traffic.
And i want to outsource the squeeze page, salespage the prelaunch blog.
If you guys know some good people to outsource this to that does this for a good price, let me know. (I NEVER DID NONE OF THIS BEFORE)

I want to learn him about list building and how he can make more money with his businuss.
And we are gonna share the list we made of the launch.

I would love to hear youre ideas about this guys give me some tips how to do it better and how to approach all this.
How should i make this an inresiteable offer for him.

If i mist anything let me know.
I would love to hear it.

[Bill Farnham]

Originally Posted by adriano9

I handle all the marketing.

If i mist anything let me know.

I'm having a few issues with this entire concept...

Can you explain how you're qualified to handle this?

KJ

[adriano9]

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

I'm having a few issues with this entire concept...

Can you explain how you're qualified to handle this?

KJ

Well thats a thing i was worring about to. But im studing this industry for 2 years now and i understand it. The only thing missing is real life experience.

But i came to the idea when another IMer who never did a productlaunch before approached someone who was an expert in a topic and did a productlaunch with him and made very good money with it.
(I wont mension his name)

The only thing he did was handle the launch the other guy did all the content of the product.

But whit a solid plan why shouldnt i be qualified.

There are so many products coming out about offline gold or offline money etc that teach people to aproach offline busnisses to do there SEO and analzing there websites or must these people qualifie first to be able to do this kind off businiss???

Its about the knowlegde you have right?
And how you position yourself.

That what i want to learn.

[CurtisN]

I agree with KJ...you won't be able to make this deal irresistible for the guy unless you know what you're talking about.

Edit: Just saw your follow-up, Adriano. It's one thing to have experience or knowledge in the IM industry, whatever that experience may be. It's totally different to have experience or knowledge in the product launch process.

I wish you the best with it, but it would help if you had Jeff Walker's PLF or PLM training. I think you definitely could make it work without specialized training, but it's unlikely that you'll hit a home run....maybe a double if you're lucky

Good luck,
Curtis

[Jared Alberghini]

Originally Posted by adriano9

But whit the help of this form i know its gonna be very succesfull and maybe im gonna make mutch more then 20,000 dollar.

Why would an "Internet Millionaire" who offers free coaching need the help of this form (forum)?

P.S. Affiliate Links are not allowed in Signatures here...
Forum Rules - Please Read This Before Posting On The Forum

[Bill Farnham]

The bottom line is this... What you think you know and what you really understand can be worlds apart.

For instance, the affiliate link your sig is not allowed here.

Know what I mean?...

KJ

[adriano9]

Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini

Why would an "Internet Millionaire" who offers free coaching need the help of this form (forum)?

P.S. Affiliate Links are not allowed in Signatures here...
Forum Rules - Please Read This Before Posting On The Forum

A internet Millionaire who wanted to make CPA commisions along the way while he posted in a forum.

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

The bottom line is this... What you think you know and what you really understand can be worlds apart.

For instance, the affiliate link your sig is not allowed here.

Know what I mean?...

KJ

haha Ok I understand

I removed the link guys. I didnt knew the dont allowe people to post affiliate links here. Someone recommended i did this along posting in the warrior forum.
( while giving me hes productlink offcourse)

But Thanks for smashing my ideas bastards

Just kidding.

CurtisN
I saw all the prelaunch content of jeff walker and he himself says that people are making a killing of following hes prelaunch content.
People making a killing.
Like this video if this inst allowed please tell me.


I saw all his videos and i understand the concept. The only thing i need is good content that people want to buy.
The rest i can learn, here on the warriorforum.

PLUS this guy has a huge costomerlist.
Only of hes cosmuterlist where gonna make a lot of sales.

But that doesnt mean i aint gonna try and get jointventures and built a seedlist. Im gonna act like we starting from scratch.

Plus i readed the The $11k in 4 Hours Report product of Jani G he helt a WSO.

I dont know if you read it but he tells you how he did a pruduct launch and was totally lazy and still made 11 k.

And he told what he did, i actually was following the luanch. it is nothing nobody can do.
And he was right he was lazy some of the promised content didnt come and it wasnt on time he only managed to get 2 conent videos out i think.

And he still made good money.

I aint saying it easy and i have to learn alot but thats why started this tread for.

[pcpupil]

@adrano,
Why do you need any help?
Just do what you have outlined in your opening post,send it to his list and see what happens.
If a lot of people buy on his list it will more than likely sell on a bigger scale.
If it does sell,just scale it up,use some free prelaunch ebooks or reports,buy some cheap traffick by adwords to get the word out ect...

[Bill Farnham]

Perhaps it would add to our understanding if you could tell us what language you natively speak.

So much is getting lost in the English translation process here that your posts are close to jibberish.

If you could identify yourself as being from a certain country or region perhaps the folks who speak your language could be of greater help to you once they recognize you as being from the same country or region.

I'm assuming the marketer you want to help is from your country.

KJ

[Mark Hess]

Originally Posted by adriano9

PLUS this guy has a huge costomerlist.
Only of hes cosmuterlist where gonna make a lot of sales.

But that doesnt mean i aint gonna try and get jointventures and built a seedlist. Im gonna act like we starting from scratch.

Plus i readed the The $11k in 4 Hours Report product of Jani G he helt a WSO.

I dont know if you read it but he tells you how he did a pruduct launch and was totally lazy and still made 11 k.

You are absolutely right. If Jani G made 11k you should do at least double that .

[adriano9]

Originally Posted by pcpupil

@adrano,
Why do you need any help?
Just do what you have outlined in your opening post,send it to his list and see what happens.
If a lot of people buy on his list it will more than likely sell on a bigger scale.
If it does sell,just scale it up,use some free prelaunch ebooks or reports,buy some cheap traffick by adwords to get the word out ect...

Yeah the thing is i dont know how to oproach him.
And if he would say yes where can i get good and affordable copywrighters for my salespage and squeezepage and maybe for my followup emails.
Maybe i can do a Upsell, he sells footage of his seminars or maybe some online coaching for some residual income. Very acctractive for joint ventures.
Some tips on monetizing that the best way or maybe you guys has some good upselling ideas.

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

Perhaps it would add to our understanding if you could tell us what language you natively speak.

So much is getting lost in the English translation process here that your posts are close to jibberish.

If you could identify yourself as being from a certain country or region perhaps the folks who speak your language could be of greater help to you once they recognize you as being from the same country or region.

I'm assuming the marketer you want to help is from your country.

KJ

Im from Holland
And the guy who i want to work with is from the US

Is my english so bad.. Jibberish
I wanna hear you talk a third language let alone type.
(that wasnt typed bad)

Yeah but i know, im typing fast and its getting late over here so sorry for the bad english guys.
Im gonna try better.

But i dont believe its so bad that there are people that dont understand what im typing.

I have friends that can talk good clean English so maybe im gonna let them do the talk for me when im gonna approach this person.

[pcpupil]

@adriano,
Just send him an email and have it worded like your opening post.Just have someone a little better in english straighten it up for you.
Look in the warriors for hire section.
If you loook in the warriors for hire section you can find some decent copywriters.If not,do it yourself.Go to some gurus sites and swipe there style,notice i said style and not material.
Most of its simple,
Strong headline in red.
bullet points as benefits to them.
tell them what you already told them a summary
ask for payment
If you need more help i have an ebook on salespage creation from my ebook store.
Heck,i aint makin any sales,ill give it to ya.i probably have one on salespages also.
Ill send ya my email addy in a PM.Then you can email me back.


How about this for spelling?

The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid.

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno’t mtaetr
in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is
taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae.The rset can be
a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is
bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the
wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was
ipmorantt!

[CurtisN]

Originally Posted by adriano9

CurtisN
I saw all the prelaunch content of jeff walker and he himself says that people are making a killing of following hes prelaunch content.
People making a killing.
Like this video if this inst allowed please tell me.


I saw all his videos and i understand the concept. The only thing i need is good content that people want to buy.
The rest i can learn, here on the warriorforum.

Crap...that means I'm paying Jeff a lot of money to learn from him when in reality, I could just browse this forum!

Btw, it's a little more complicated than just having a good product

[adriano9]

Originally Posted by pcpupil

@adriano,
Just send him an email and have it worded like your opening post.Just have someone a little better in english straighten it up for you.
Look in the warriors for hire section.
If you loook in the warriors for hire section you can find some decent copywriters.If not,do it yourself.Go to some gurus sites and swipe there style,notice i said style and not material.
Most of its simple,
Strong headline in red.
bullet points as benefits to them.
tell them what you already told them a summary
ask for payment
If you need more help i have an ebook on salespage creation from my ebook store.
Heck,i aint makin any sales,ill give it to ya.i probably have one on salespages also.
Ill send ya my email addy in a PM.Then you can email me back.


How about this for spelling?

The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid.

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno’t mtaetr
in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is
taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae.The rset can be
a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is
bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the
wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was
ipmorantt!

LOL

The Cmabrigde Uinervtisy is ttolaly rhgit.

And yes i was thinking off an aproach of that kind, this is my idea.
I take notes of the prelaunch content of jeff walker steal a little of his video content. Let someone make a good slidemovie of it. I want it very profesional and totally unique.
And then pay someone to talk about the concept (what i have written down for him) treu out the video, with sjabloons etc.
Explaing the whole thing very professianal. With musicsound effects thats gonna make it more exiting.

If this al is very expensive im gonna go youre rout. That sound very good also.

And im thinking building a site for him and showing him how his site should look and offering him that site for free if hes gonna take me on my offer. ( or should i sell him that)
And explaining him the benefits of on-page seo and an opt in list etc.

And yess i would love to read that ebook sent me youre mail.
Thank you for youre offer.

And guys please comment if you know something about my questions even if its a small tip i would love to hear it.

[adriano9]

Originally Posted by CurtisN

Crap...that means I'm paying Jeff a lot of money to learn from him when in reality, I could just browse this forum!

Btw, it's a little more complicated than just having a good product

Wel CRAP,,,

I know its complicated.

lol

Thats why i started this thread for

Give a litlle advice then.

[drogan4]

I can't imagine how this would be successful. You need more expertise in your corner.

But you seem determined so...good luck.

[molsted]

Adriano9:

Your idea is good but it would take A HELL LOT OF WORK, TESTING, FAILURE & TESTING AGAIN to make it work if you do not know how to do this. Believe me, I've been in Internet Marketing the last 5 years and involved in laucnhing MLM products before that. I was planning to do my first real launch this year, but after seeing all the tedeious processes involved I found I'd rather spend my time and money on the things I know. Even if you plan to outsource, you need to have a good salesfunnel, you need to pay a GOOD copywriter (5k+ probably) to write the salesletter, you need to test conversions with PPC before getting affilaites/JV's onboard... etc etc...

Now, I don't want to take all your hope away because if you have the time and interest in doing this - and if you are not a Lazy Bastard(tm) like me - then you CAN make it. But it is risky.

How about starting a membership site instead? That is what I'd do. You can drive traffic with SEO, article marketing and PPC etc. You can still do a "launch" though but you will benefit from the recurring income.

Just my 2cents...

Martin Molsted

[traderfx]

Got a better idea how about you start small and build a list for him, then you can make other products after people sign up.


Mike.

[Voasi]

It might be a good idea to have a few small successes of your own to show him. I've tried doing this in the past and it's just tough, especially since he already has his way of making money and then you come in saying you can create another stream of income, but you just have to "trust" me that I know what I'm doing.

After I had many successes, it was much easier.

[adriano9]

Originally Posted by molsted

Adriano9:

Your idea is good but it would take A HELL LOT OF WORK, TESTING, FAILURE & TESTING AGAIN to make it work if you do not know how to do this. Believe me, I've been in Internet Marketing the last 5 years and involved in laucnhing MLM products before that. I was planning to do my first real launch this year, but after seeing all the tedeious processes involved I found I'd rather spend my time and money on the things I know. Even if you plan to outsource, you need to have a good salesfunnel, you need to pay a GOOD copywriter (5k+ probably) to write the salesletter, you need to test conversions with PPC before getting affilaites/JV's onboard... etc etc...

Now, I don't want to take all your hope away because if you have the time and interest in doing this - and if you are not a Lazy Bastard(tm) like me - then you CAN make it. But it is risky.

How about starting a membership site instead? That is what I'd do. You can drive traffic with SEO, article marketing and PPC etc. You can still do a "launch" though but you will benefit from the recurring income.

Just my 2cents...


Martin Molsted

LOL to be honest im a lazy bastard to.
But i really want to pull this off.

But it doenst has to be perfect right?

Thats why most people dont make money becuase they want everything to be perfect.
I hear alot of big name guru say just get the ball rolling. its the best thing someone can ever do.

Is it a must that The JV'S know the conversions?
Arent there cheaper copywriters here on the WF?

And a membership site sounds intersting but how should i do that. What kind of membership should i offer?

Originally Posted by traderfx

Got a better idea how about you start small and build a list for him, then you can make other products after people sign up.


Mike.

I dont think i understand youre concept.

[Jill Carpenter]

Hmm,

On one side I do see some people trying to help, but I'm seeing some negativity - and comments like "no, this is too hard for you go do something else"

I think you might need a little help, but I think you should go for it because the worst that will happen is the guy says no and then you would just go do something else or find someone else to launch - if that is what you really want to do.

When you create your initial letter be sure to let him know where you are from, so that future emails that may have a couple of misspellings will be "understood."

Now, you say the guy has an ugly site, but are you sure that is not intentional? Because sometimes it is.

Also, you seem to like his expertise on panic attacks, are you sure this guy is who he says he is and not just a really savvy affiliate? Have you really dug into his site and backlinks, profiles, etc to see what else you might find out about him?

Have you googled his name to see if he is a member on some other forums, and if there is a way you can strike up a conversation before sending a letter?

[adriano9]

avenuegirl

Thank you...

Damm i was thinking some of these guys (not all) being negitive for no reason instead of being supportive, some like to complain.
Dont feel to big to help, everybody started somewhere. And if youre a bigshot ( online that is) and making lots of money be glad and supprotive. Instead of complainen .

But lets get to the point.

Im shure he wants a goodlooking site he has a new one since yesterday it looks mutch better then the old one.
But it can be mutch better and must be better with hes knowlegde.

And im 100 procent shure hes an real expert hes a very good man he has many footage of him in action on his site Panick attack is one off them.

Doing a productlaunch with him my name is gonna be on a food product.

Its mutch broader then only pack attacks i found him when i was broasing the web for weight loss.
I think panick attack is one of the smallest thing he do.
I want to do panick attack becuase weigt loss is so broad or is broad a good thing?

This guy is very good.
A very humble guy.

And hes client love him. He even is a geustspeaker on the radio and on tv.
So imagine his following. Him saying yes to my offer is gonna make good money already.

But he knows nothing about IM. He got this huge following becuase word of mouth as they call it right?
Becuase of his knowlegde.

And yess i did had a conversation with him. Treu skype.

I even asked him if hes intersted in making a nicheproduct and he said, Im not shure what it is.
I explained it a litlle more and he said maybe. But i talked very fast and with broking english.
Before i brought up the nicheproduct idea he told me he had to go so i didnt had mutch time to go in depth.
MAYBE he forget al about our conversation.

And yes he is on forums to.

He is a real Expert. Thats for shure.

[Jill Carpenter]

Adriano,

I think you should put together a list today.

Prepare yourself for your next encounter with this guy if you can.

When you talked on Skype, did he know where you were from?

Did you follow up on the conversation, and send him a "thank you for your time" quick note?

It sounds like he has everything you want/need and you need to go to him with a solid written proposal/plan and you are going to need to sell yourself a bit.

Put a list together of what you are going to bring/offer to a potential future partnership.

Make it a clean outline, and then have someone go over it and play devils advocate. You'll want to see what things you can do and what weakness you may have to fill in.

This should help you identify quickly what areas you should solidify so you can properly prepare yourself for the event.

[adriano9]

avenuegirl

I thanked him right then.

But what do you think should i let someone make me a very good videopresantation with or should i do a written presantation?

And should i tell him what kind off content i need from him opfront or after he said yess.

[milan]

Adriano,
I have no idea why are you're getting negative comments here. I think somebody is just jealous of you - you can butcher their language and they can't yours haha

My advice for you is invest. Get a course like Jeff Walker's PLR Formula or Frank Kern's Mass Control. Practice Adwords by doing some list building in the niches your expert is an expert in. This way you'll have some experience and some prospects to bring to the table when you approach your expert.
By investing like this you can get inside experience in the niche, and tweak the squeeze page to make it convert better. Try to sell a good affiliate product. Then you can go slowly, approach your expert one step at the time to gain trust. When you have some numbers based on your experience (on what converts how much etc) you'll have more to talk about with your expert and he'll trust you more. Then you can slowly get content from him. At first you might compile some of his stuff (from forums, sites) and ask him for a permission to use that content for your marketing test. Then you show him some results talk about him writing the content...
Good luck.

[adriano9]

Milan

I have no idea why are you're getting negative comments here. I think somebody is just jealous of you - you can butcher their language and they can't yours haha

LOL yeah maybe..

My advice for you is invest. Get a course like Jeff Walker's PLR Formula or Frank Kern's Mass Control.

Im gonna do that one day but right know its to expensive.

Practice Adwords by doing some list building in the niches your expert is an expert in. This way you'll have some experience and some prospects to bring to the table when you approach your expert.
By investing like this you can get inside experience in the niche, and tweak the squeeze page to make it convert better. Try to sell a good affiliate product. Then you can go slowly, approach your expert one step at the time to gain trust. When you have some numbers based on your experience (on what converts how much etc) you'll have more to talk about with your expert and he'll trust you more. Then you can slowly get content from him. At first you might compile some of his stuff (from forums, sites) and ask him for a permission to use that content for your marketing test. Then you show him some results talk about him writing the content...
Good luck.

This is good advice i think om gonna start off doing this.
I was actualy thinking of making a seedlist before aproaching him.

[pcpupil]

Adriano,did you get my PM.I sent it with my email addy.
Put together a simple 6-12 page report,it can even be a plr and just rewrite it into your own words or have someone here do it.Just buy some plr articles and have them rewritten.
Then call the guy on skype and tell him your sending him a small report to give him an example of what your talking about.
Then tell him an ebook would be more pages.Or you could just sell some small reports on certain topics.
Then later on,combine all topics and call it the [The best help topics of panic attacks from |his name here |that could end your fears forever]
or something like this.

[adriano9]

pcpupil

Hey yeah i emailed you didtn you got it im gonna mail you again.

I think im gonna put a report on my propasol message.

[pcpupil]

adraiano,maybe i delted it by accident,sorry.
Put [adriano ebook package] in the subject line for me.

[molsted]

Originally Posted by adriano9

LOL to be honest im a lazy bastard to.
But i really want to pull this off.

But it doenst has to be perfect right?

Thats why most people dont make money becuase they want everything to be perfect.
I hear alot of big name guru say just get the ball rolling. its the best thing someone can ever do.

Is it a must that The JV'S know the conversions?
Arent there cheaper copywriters here on the WF?

And a membership site sounds intersting but how should i do that. What kind of membership should i offer?
.

Hi.

You are right. Nothing needs to be perfect. None of the things I do are perfect. BUT if you are going to approaching someone who is allready making money in order to get him onboard, if you are gonna charge money for the product and get JV's on board it need to be - if not perfect - at least free from big errors.

Is it a must that The JV'S know the conversions?:
I guess not but it helps. If you want to use a JV broker they will probably be pretty pissed if they after doing a lot of work on getting JV's onboard, find out that your product simply doesn't convert. It can happen to the best. I know. But you should at least have some clue.

To me this is the hardest part actually. For instance I had one product that converted at 1:21 on average from one traffic source. When I added it as an upsell to another product it converted 1:800 or something... wow. You do not want THAT to happen to you on launch day which is why you need to make sure your salescopy, graphics, product, price and technical stuff is good.

With a membership site, you also need to convert but you are not bound by a launch and not so much by JV's all mailing at once. Let's say you charge X amount each month and an average customer stays a member for 3 months you can actually make more money as you can do upsells etc inside the membership area. Besides you do not need all the content to be loaded at once either if you don't want to.

You could run the site, drive traffic to it etc, and the professional "whatever his profession was" could make the content.

It won't make you rich overnight but it CAN provide a nice steady income.

Good luck

[sylviad]

I got tired of reading so excuse if this is already suggested.

If you want to prove yourself, offer to do one small launch for him "at no cost". He can't lose. You do all the work. If he gets results, you and he will know that you can do what you say you can.

Next, you can decide if you need more training to perfect your approach. Once you're sure, go a bit bigger.

There are many insightful people out there who get results... who do not have training. It comes naturally to them. Perhaps you are one of them. You won't know unless you try.

Approach him first with your "free" offer and go from there. He will want to know your credentials/experience, but if you take the work load off of him, he is more likely to accept your offer.

Sylvia