Why Do They Never Confirm Their Optin

.X.

14 years ago

Maybe the problem isn't them
Frank. ;-)

I get an 85-90% confirmation
rate. I'd look at how compelling
that free gift is, the subject line
of your follow-up message, and
the confirmation message itself.
(All can be customized).

It's either a breakdown in
communication or the failure to
generate a enough desire to
follow-through.

Also, what are they seeing on
the thank you page after they
optin? Are you explicitly clear
what's going to happen, or is
your "thank you" page what
Aweber gives by default?

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talfighel

14 years ago

It seems to me that maybe they are not serious. Don't forget Frank that sometimes your emails do not reach their inbox.

What you can do is as soon as they join your newsletter, have them know that they will need to put your email on their safelist.

I think that single opt in is better.
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Dan C. Rinnert

14 years ago

In some cases, it may be that they never receive the confirmation message.

For example, I haven't been able to subscribe to lists on GetResponse for a long time on my main eMail address. If I'm already on a list, I continue to get messages. The problem seems to be that the confirmation message never makes it to me. I even have them whitelisted and still no go.

I couldn't even sign up with GetResponse as an affiliate with my main eMail address. I had to use an address on a different domain with a different mail server.

Before I figured out what was going on, I tried subscribing a couple times. That probably sent list-owners' confirmation rates downward.

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FrankBowman

14 years ago

You're all being very helpful. Maybe the problem is on my end......I'm just in a bad mood today, ex wife is playing games on Christmas visitation............

Sorry guys....

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tgloetzer

14 years ago

I have experienced this, too... I sign up to a list, and never get the confirmation e-mail. After a while I may remember to check my junk mail folder, but sometimes I just plain forget...
Did you try to sign up to your own list from various e-mail accounts (e.g. Gmail, Yahoo, MSN, etc)? Does any of them send the confirmation e-mail to the junk folder?

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14 years ago

1. they never saw this confirmation email;
2. they just want to be in the list, and do not really want the gift.

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FrankBowman

14 years ago

So my question now is:

I have their email addresses in my Aweber account.

If I email them from a different email address, to remind them to opt in, is that spam or illegal in any way.....?

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Janet Sawyer 14 years ago

Originally Posted by FrankBowman

So my question now is:

I have their email addresses in my Aweber account.

Frank, this last month Aweber has been a little under performing.

Compared to the last 11 months the non comfirm rate this month is up like 1,000,000%

Quite frightening really

And it's not just my account, but the accounts that I look after for my clients, not just one or two, but all of them, are showing the same results.

Subscriber gets there, but then doesn't get any further.
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ToniMaltano

14 years ago

Maybe your product is not appealing enough. These people opin and then they realise that they have to confirm their subscription. They hoped to download it directly but the fact that they first have to log into their emails accounts, open your mail, click on the confirmation link and then hopefully get that product makes them lazy.

They are lazy. Try to get more hype for your product. Something they just can't refuse and your confirmation will get better for sure.

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joetheseo

14 years ago

I got rid of double opt in a long time ago. Why miss out on 20-50% of potential buyers. The unsubscribe option is still there for them...

Be cool and send them cool stuff is the gig right? Maybe your offer wasn't "Cool enough"

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by joecrupie

I got rid of double opt in a long time ago. Why miss out on 20-50% of potential buyers. The unsubscribe option is still there for them...

Be cool and send them cool stuff is the gig right? Maybe your offer wasn't "Cool enough"

Who do you use? If I may ask.....

I don't believe Aweber allows the single optin

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Lance K 14 years ago

Frank, you could try breaking the gift into 2 parts. Give part 1 immediately on the Thank You page. End it with a real cliff hanger. Let them know on the Thank You page and in part 1 that they need to confirm in order to get part 2 sent to them. If you want, you can tell them you do it this way because it's important to consume and understand part 1 first.

Either that or give them the free gift outright on the Thank You page but mention and unannounced bonus gift that you want to email to them in a day (2 days, a week, whatever).

Depending on the target audience, you may also want to explain what your intentions are. Some people may want the gift and are willing to give you a chance, but don't want to be flooded with affiliate promos on a daily basis.

Of course, this all may need to be taken with a grain of salt. By bending to achieve maximum confirmations, you're likely trying to reframe the thinking of some jaded folks, freebie seekers, etc.

It may be easier to just accept the % that confirm on their own and build a relationship with them. They've proven to want what you're offering bad enough to go through the process as you've set it up.

By convincing those that "abandon" the sign up process to continue, you'll have more people on your list. But that's no guarantee that it'll be more profitable.
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ruch1v

14 years ago

people want instant gratification, they want the info when they opt in, but may have lost interest by the time they check their mail, its important you get your 'gift' to them asap to keep their attention alive

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misterkailo

14 years ago

Out of the 50% you are talking about, I think 25% out of that is stuck in the spam folder. I hate when that happens.

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FrankBowman

14 years ago

By the way, I have it set up so that clicking confirmation link automatically starts the download.....

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WD Mino

14 years ago

Hmm.

Double optin in the safest way I disagree with you Joe.

Frank....

If your subscribers are not confirming they should not be emailed that is spam without clicking that link no permission is given to contact them.

However. I find it kind of strange I have a very high confirm rate People make 0 sense sometimes It is not because they just want to be on the list or they would confirm they would have to in order to receive mailings.

Keep the message simple subject line something like Thank You

Instead of the body reading we have received your request for information. edit something like. Thanks for signing up. The only thing left to do now is click this little link below to give me permission to contact you so I can send your gift to you . Watch out for future mailings you won't want to miss the tips and freebies included in them

Until next time
Frank...
or something like that .
Keep it simple
HTH

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joetheseo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by WD Products

Hmm.

Double optin in the safest way I disagree with you Joe.

I guess this really depends on the marketer. My *small* list loves me - and I've never had a spam complaint even in the beginning when I was promoting wayyyyyyyyyyy to much junk.

But seriously,
People want information NOW NOW NOW!

If I sign up for a site and the information isn't already in my inbox by the time I press open, It's lost a lot of value in my eyes.

Aweber seems to be sending Confirm emails super slow these days, that's why I canceled it and went with Sales Automator.

Just my first reason makes it a no brainer for me
-Aweber 500 subscribers - $20 /mon
-Sales Automator - 10,000 subscribers - $29/mon

Plus you have an option of double or single opt in. The only downside for some people that don't know any coding or web design is that Sales Automator doesn't really have any fancy opt in templates like Aweber.

I prefer to make my own

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WD Mino

14 years ago

HAHAH hey Joe I just read your sig. that is awesome!

well I guess if single works but I will only use double in the bottom of the mailings sent i say you are a confirmed valued susbscriber of the memberprods newsletter thank you !

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joetheseo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by WD Products

HAHAH hey Joe I just read your sig. that is awesome!
well I guess if single works but I will only use double in the bottom of the mailings sent i say you are a confirmed valued susbscriber of the memberprods newsletter thank you !

ha, thanks..

I can see the value in letting the customer know they are a "confirmed" subscriber - but really, I think that the value you bring afterwards is what matters.

The truth is that some people are good at sharing the "wealth" and helping others in your specific niche community - and some people like to repeat the same ol' **** over and over again.. and no one really cares to hear it

.

I think that new, unique information out weighs both single and double opt ins. Give the people what they want!!!

Originally Posted by misterkailo

If they do not know how to confirm the link, then they are probably not good prospects to begin with. The system is fool-proof.

Not 100% true , if someone wants to pay me to show them how to click a link - be my guest. A prospect is a prospect... You can always dump them later

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Killer Joe

14 years ago

You know, the one thing I didn't see mentioned in this thread so far is how the prospect feels about not receiving the confirmation email.

It's a two way street here.

Lately I have signed up for a few lists that enticed me and I never got the confirmation email. And since I live on internet time if that email never arrives my chances of hunting you down and signing up using another of my email addys is nil.

Instead of blaming your prospects perhaps you need to reevaluate the distribution chain you use for email purposes. Not just the OP, but all of us.

Disappointment works both ways here...your prospect may be thinking you let them down.

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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

You won't have that problem with my approach for the fact that you will either be directed straight to the product or at least an unadvertised freebie and a message stating that the product is in your email .

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

You know, the one thing I didn't see mentioned in this thread so far is how the prospect feels about not receiving the confirmation email.

It's a two way street here.

Lately I have signed up for a few lists that enticed me and I never got the confirmation email. And since I live on internet time if that email never arrives my chances of hunting you down and signing up using another of my email addys is nil.

Instead of blaming your prospects perhaps you need to reevaluate the distribution chain you use for email purposes. Not just the OP, but all of us.

Disappointment works both ways here...your prospect may be thinking you let them down.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

You won't have that problem with my approach for the fact that you will either be directed straight to the product or at least an unadvertised freebie and a message stating that the product is in your email .

Hi Troy,

Perhaps you could clear a few cobwebs I have about single opt-ins as I believe you know a lot more about this subject than I do.

Does Aweber still include the opt-out link for single opt-ins? It's been my experience that a good portion of the lists I have signed up to either never fulfill the promises of the bait, or just turn into pitchfests before the ink is dry. I dislike both of these scenarios.

If there is not a way for me to easily opt-out I will hit the spam button after a few worthless emails. I don't do this if there is a link to opt-out, but some knuckleheads expect you to write them an email saying you don't want to be on their list anymore.

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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

I don't think Aweber will send an email out without an unsub link... single or double .

Those that require you to send an email are really bouncing on the edge of can spam compliance.

If they do not have the respect to give you an easy way out ... they deserve the spam complaint .

Scares a lot of people to death if someone wants to opt out . Scares me to death if I do not offer you a way out .

It would be bad to wake up without a list for this practice of not offering a way out . This applies to whatever opt in practice best works for your business model.

My apologies to the op if we have gone a little different direction than what this post started out as .

Troy

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

Hi Troy,

Perhaps you could clear a few cobwebs I have about single opt-ins as I believe you know a lot more about this subject than I do.

Does Aweber still include the opt-out link for single opt-ins? It's been my experience that a good portion of the lists I have signed up to either never fulfill the promises of the bait, or just turn into pitchfests before the ink is dry. I dislike both of these scenarios.

If there is not a way for me to easily opt-out I will hit the spam button after a few worthless emails. I don't do this if there is a link to opt-out, but some knuckleheads expect you to write them an email saying you don't want to be on their list anymore.

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omrid1

14 years ago

In my opinion the confirmation email is pointless.
As long as they have the option to opt out anytime this is just fine.
Keeping the double opt in only makes it harder for you so why keep it?
In addition, many people who are not familiar with internet marketing regard at the process of confirming & reconfirming as spam.
My approach is: if they typed in their email they get their free gift then it is my job to treat them right and over deliver in order to keep them on the list, that's it. Works for me

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WD Mino

14 years ago

Hi Troy.
I was under the impression Aweber is the one mentioned here.

Anyways it makes no sense to argue about it In the law kit i have it says double is better helps reduce amount of complaints etc

I don't have a huge list I just started building it goes around 120 or so right now But they are loyal. each one had to confirm then they were sent the gift.

I drive traffic to my site but haven't focussed on the list building been focusing on a couple sites to generate the flow the list size is not really the point it is the responsiveness of it anyhow. But In the web legal kit it talks about double opt in being best so that is what I took. i mean does it matter I don't know if it does but maybe it does and if it does better to be safe then sorry . Hosting my own AR is cool I have kicked lots of people out of it already trying to spam mewith offers etc so I like that freedom of it but I only use double to cover my but.

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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

I am no lawyer , doctor , or movie star. Good luck in the new year .

Troy

Originally Posted by WD Products

Hi Troy.
I was under the impression Aweber is the one mentioned here.

Anyways it makes no sense to argue about it In the law kit i have it says double is better helps reduce amount of complaints etc

I don't have a huge list I just started building it goes around 120 or so right now But they are loyal. each one had to confirm then they were sent the gift.

I drive traffic to my site but haven't focussed on the list building been focusing on a couple sites to generate the flow the list size is not really the point it is the responsiveness of it anyhow. But In the web legal kit it talks about double opt in being best so that is what I took. i mean does it matter I don't know if it does but maybe it does and if it does better to be safe then sorry . Hosting my own AR is cool I have kicked lots of people out of it already trying to spam mewith offers etc so I like that freedom of it but I only use double to cover my but.

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14 years ago

A couple of thoughts for you, WD (and Frank)...

> Part of the problem with people not completing the opt-in may be in your approach. I never dictate to people that I refuse to send what I promised unless they do as I say. I take a slightly different tack.

"You or someone pretending to be you asked us to send them [bribe]. Before we launch this valuable item into the ether, we'd like to be sure we have the right email and that our emails are getting through. If you'll just look for an email from us with [] in the subject (check you spam or junk folder if you don't find it right away), then click on the link to let us know the message got through alright, we'll send your [bribe] right away. Thanks for understanding..."

> I run my own AR script as well. I don't really worry about spam complaints because they usually come back to me anyway. If someone sends an email to abuse@[domain] or something similar, it just comes back to me. I can choose to respond, or simply remove the address from the database.

I use a reseller account, so if they try to get me that way, that's me as well.

> That said, there are times I choose to use a confirmed opt-in. Has nothing to do with fearing spam complaints, though. Has everything to do with filtering out the committed - it's just one more hoop that shows if they really want what I'm offering or they're just out harvesting freebies.

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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

For a man that carries a big fish around ... you make some great points .

The reseller account would be the answer to spam complaints

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

A couple of thoughts for you, WD (and Frank)...

> Part of the problem with people not completing the opt-in may be in your approach. I never dictate to people that I refuse to send what I promised unless they do as I say. I take a slightly different tack.

"You or someone pretending to be you asked us to send them [bribe]. Before we launch this valuable item into the ether, we'd like to be sure we have the right email and that our emails are getting through. If you'll just look for an email from us with [] in the subject (check you spam or junk folder if you don't find it right away), then click on the link to let us know the message got through alright, we'll send your [bribe] right away. Thanks for understanding..."

> I run my own AR script as well. I don't really worry about spam complaints because they usually come back to me anyway. If someone sends an email to abuse@[domain] or something similar, it just comes back to me. I can choose to respond, or simply remove the address from the database.

I use a reseller account, so if they try to get me that way, that's me as well.

> That said, there are times I choose to use a confirmed opt-in. Has nothing to do with fearing spam complaints, though. Has everything to do with filtering out the committed - it's just one more hoop that shows if they really want what I'm offering or they're just out harvesting freebies.

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keggs

14 years ago

Is it some legal imperative that they have to double opt-in. I think it's ridiculous really.

What I also find totally pointless is having to type in letters or words on a web site to confirm membership. Can someone explain the point of this - security? What security?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by keggs

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What I also find totally pointless is having to type in letters or words on a web site to confirm membership. Can someone explain the point of this - security? What security?

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Thats to prevent automated bots from spamming your site

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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

Okay ... I wasn't going here but ... why not .

You know why you are not getting 100% confirms .... cause you are asking for confirms .

Show me anywhere in the can spam act where you have to offer double opt ins . You WILL NOT find it .

There must be a way of unsubscribing but no mention of double opt in being the only legal way to obtain subscribers .

For the double opt is the only way crowd .. more power to you . I will never convince you any differently nor will you me .

For those that are open... the majority of the big marketers use single opt in.

You can use a redirect instead of a conformation page , Explain to them that their " prize" is in their email, and have the first chance to engage with the new list member no matter if they ever choose to open the first email or not .

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14 years ago

Hi Troy,

Hmm Interesting perspective.
So with a single optin there is no confirmation so they could at any time report you for spam. is it really worth the chance? I don't know perhaps for some it is most big marketers use double actually that is the reason they do it as well. In fact even then some of them have trouble and have to switch AR's because of people reporting that stuff.

That is not sound advice in the long run Troy usually I agree with you but this time plain and simple your wrong and whether I convince you or not really is not the point but Frank needs to know the difference and quite simply that is horrible advice friend.

-WD

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Okay ... I wasn't going here but ... why not .

You know why you are not getting 100% confirms .... cause you are asking for confirms .

Show me anywhere in the can spam act where you have to offer double opt ins . You WILL NOT find it .

There must be a way of unsubscribing but no mention of double opt in being the only legal way to obtain subscribers .

For the double opt is the only way crowd .. more power to you . I will never convince you any differently nor will you me .

For those that are open... the majority of the big marketers use single opt in.

You can use a redirect instead of a conformation page , Explain to them that their " prize" is in their email, and have the first chance to engage with the new list member no matter if they ever choose to open the first email or not .

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14 years ago

Why WD .. you have hurt my feelings . Just kidding .

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I do feel opinions need to be verified before they can be taken seriously .

How many list members do you have ?

How long have you been building a list ?

What is your spam ratio ?

Now I don't like spam complaints any more than the next list builder . But take into consideration .

If you have a list of 100 and get a spam complaint this puts you at 1%

Still within the requirements of most services . 5 complaints puts you in the danger zone .

Now 100,000 member list is not effected by 1 or 5 complaints .

I recently deleted more list members than a lot of builders will ever build . This was because of a new direction in 2010 and not going against a promise to never share their information.

I have built various list for over 10 years now .

My spam ratio is a lot less than 1% .. I have used the same service for over 5 years now .

I won't drop names here but think you need to research some bigger ( not talking 5 figure ) marketer's process and get back to me on their preference. It is my business, so yes , I have researched several.

As far as my advice being sound for the long term... well it has worked for me for 10 ( actually 10+) years . Not saying it is the best practice for any one's business model but my own.

Frank does now understand that there is more than one option.

With average list members not understanding the basic reality that hitting the spam button will not unsubscribe them from a list, choice of opt in preference has no tested, proven effect on spam complaints .

Originally Posted by WD Products

Hi Troy,

Hmm Interesting perspective.
So with a single optin there is no confirmation so they could at any time report you for spam. is it really worth the chance? I don't know perhaps for some it is most big marketers use double actually that is the reason they do it as well. In fact even then some of them have trouble and have to switch AR's because of people reporting that stuff.

That is not sound advice in the long run Troy usually I agree with you but this time plain and simple your wrong and whether I convince you or not really is not the point but Frank needs to know the difference and quite simply that is horrible advice friend.

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WD Mino

14 years ago

Hi Troy,

I wasn't questioning your own method i know what your about. I am glad it has worked for you but man alive it is better to be safe then sorry My list is built daily but I host my own AR and I can choose either single or double according to my research double is the safest way to go.

Mike filsaime is not a 5 figure earner Troy and he is a double guy just off the top of my head. Jeff dedrick also double opt in. I just don't think it is sound advice that's all I don't trust that way and if it wasn't a good idea Troy no one that pays for a service would accept the double that is required by the provider.

Oh oops my spam ratio is 0

-WD

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

Why WD .. you have hurt my feelings . Just kidding .

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I do feel opinions need to be verified before they can be taken seriously .

How many list members do you have ?

How long have you been building a list ?

What is your spam ratio ?

Now I don't like spam complaints any more than the next list builder . But take into consideration .

If you have a list of 100 and get a spam complaint this puts you at 1%

Still within the requirements of most services . 5 complaints puts you in the danger zone .

Now 100,000 member list is not effected by 1 or 5 complaints .

I recently deleted more list members than a lot of builders will ever build . This was because of a new direction in 2010 and not going against a promise to never share their information.

I have built various list for over 10 years now .

My spam ratio is a lot less than 1% .. I have used the same service for over 5 years now .

I won't drop names here but think you need to research some bigger ( not talking 5 figure ) marketer's process and get back to me on their preference. It is my business, so yes , I have researched several.

As far as my advice being sound for the long term... well it has worked for me for 10 ( actually 10+) years . Not saying it is the best practice for any one's business model but my own.

Frank does now understand that there is more than one option.

With average list members not understanding the basic reality that hitting the spam button will not unsubscribe them from a list, choice of opt in preference has no tested, proven effect on spam complaints .

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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

You never did say anything about list size or how long you been building . 0% spam is great .

Better keep it close to 0% if you are hosting your own ar . Spam complaints will hurt you quicker than most .

Talking about people would not pay for a service that requires double opt in if it was not the best option , Have you ever heard of a little autoresponder service called Aweber ?

Guess what... they offer single opt in. I have personally built list through Aweber and would not have used them if they didn't offer single . This is not from years gone by... just this year . last few months .

Now I would like to think that this is because Aweber recognizes my over the top list building skill and wanted me as a customer .

In reality I would venture to say this is not the case and anyone can have that option if they know where to look when they start a list with them .

As far as Mike goes , I have had to double opt for some of his stuff, single opt for others .

A lot of the opt in pages you go to from the big guys recommendations are not to their list at all.

I do know his right hand man ( warrior member ) was the one that pointed out the process of using single opt for Aweber to me .

A certain warrior who is riding around in a rv will laugh at you for even suggesting double opt .

As far as I go ..... I am just a pawn in this big old world of IM. Because of my decision to remain behind the scenes up until the last few months, Very few know me .

Sometimes wonder if that was not a better scenario.

As I said in my opening reply ... didn't want to go there . Just wanted people to know ... there is options .

WD ... Guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one . Can't either one of us be right or wrong on this . It is a business decision that has to be made by individual business owners .

Nothing I do can effect anyone's business unless they chose to let it , by the decisions they make .

Originally Posted by WD Products

Hi Troy,

I wasn't questioning your own method i know what your about. I am glad it has worked for you but man alive it is better to be safe then sorry My list is built daily but I host my own AR and I can choose either single or double according to my research double is the safest way to go.

Mike filsaime is not a 5 figure earner Troy and he is a double guy just off the top of my head. Jeff dedrick also double opt in. I just don't think it is sound advice that's all I don't trust that way and if it wasn't a good idea Troy no one that pays for a service would accept the double that is required by the provider.

Oh oops my spam ratio is 0

-WD

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A Bary 14 years ago

Excuse me guys...but why when a question like this is asked, I got the feeling that some responses seem to come from people live in heavens?

Why all of are assuming there's a problem with his marketing?

The problem maybe that he's bad luck with the type of traffic he is driving , and those who come through his website are a bunch of IDIOT MORONS?!!!

I say this in bold because I experienced this before..

Once I offered a real great gift that is EXACTLY solves their problem/what they are looking for, and NO OTHER free option is available for them...

Some funny subscribers confirm their email address, get the free gift and instantly unsubscribe to stop receiving emails!!

Some of them don't confirm because they simply expected the free gift to be given directly without confirmation...

Some of them don't confirm because they simply submit a fake email to get the freebie and run

It is not a must that there's some problem with his offer/site, but maybe he needs to attract the right audience...

That's why I stopped offering freebies on most of my sites

Freebie seekers are (most of the time) non worthy

Except when you got them from a place like WF through a free WSO or something on the War Room, or any similar place with really interested audience, I believe "freebie marketing" isn't working anymore like before
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rickkettner

14 years ago

Frank, you might be interested in checking out the results from my single vs. double opt-in video tutorial. It explains how "unverified" statistics can be VERY unreliable.

- Single Opt-In vs. Double Opt-In - Choosing An E-mail List Type

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FrankBowman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by rickkettner

Frank, you might be interested in checking out the results from my single vs. double opt-in video tutorial. It explains how "unverified" statistics can be VERY unreliable.

- Single Opt-In vs. Double Opt-In - Choosing An E-mail List Type

Very informative video.....thanks for the link

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Sylvia Meier

14 years ago

Try changing your redirect page (the page they are sent to after entering in their info) to something that shows in detail how to confirm. I have one list that I have that set up on, and my unconfirmed rate...is 6% that's it. Most of my other ones are 20%+

A lot of people outside the IM niche have no idea they need to click that link. You would be amazed how many emails I get that are simply a reply email that says confirmed...in which case I just click the link and send them a little note explaining how to do it in the future.

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misterkailo

14 years ago

If they do not know how to confirm the link, then they are probably not good prospects to begin with. The system is fool-proof.

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FrankBowman

14 years ago

I just checked with Aweber, the do infact allow the no confirmation email option.

Its now up to me to decide whether I want to go that route.

I really appreciate all the advice and suggestions from everybody, but its a business decision now, and we all have the right to run our businesses they way we see fit.

So I'll make up my mind and go from there....

Thanks to everyone again.

Frank

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Have you ever considered whether your confirmation email is going in the spam folder?

They might be sitting over there going "that ******* took my email address and never sent me anything."

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