Offline Prospecting Question

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If you call a small business there is a chance that you got the owner on the phone, or it might just be some part time help.

It's not as simple as calling a large business. There you know the receptionist is the receptionist. You know how to script it (or what to say).

But . . .

How do you go about getting the decision maker on the phone when calling a small business? Do you just ask for the owner/manager? Do you call first just to get the name of the owner/manager and then call back later and ask for them? Something else?

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Say, "Hi, who am I speaking with?"
    "Who are you?"
    "Bert."
    "How can I help you, Bert?"
    "Hi, well I am a business owner and I was wondering if the ad in the yellow pages was helping this business?"

    The trick, I've found, is to come across as someone on the same ground, not someone seeking approval. It is psychological.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aronya
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      The trick, I've found, is to come across as someone on the same ground, not someone seeking approval. It is psychological.
      The problem with this is that at some point you've got to come clean & tell them you want to sell them something. At that point, you may have a new enemy rather than a client.

      It's a lot more work trying to come up with a novel way of starting a conversation with a business owner (who isn't answering his phone in hopes of making a new friend) than it is to simply be up front about what you're doing & play the numbers game. Business owners get plenty of sales people on the phone misrepresenting themselves in order to get the boss on the line, and they don't appreciate it.

      In my experience, this works better:
      ring, ring
      "XYZ Company. Can I help you?"
      "Hello. My name is ___. Are you the business owner, sir?"
      "What do you want?"
      "I want to save you 25% on your yellow pages advertising."

      Or whatever. Just be up front about who you are and what you have to offer. You'll be hung up on plenty of times, but you'll get a far better response from those who have an interest by being honest. And, getting hung up on doesn't hurt! Who knew?!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
        You can use LinkedIn to find out who the business owner is, then you have a soft opening and say that you saw him on LinkedIn and want to meet. I have done this many times.

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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by Aronya View Post

        The problem with this is that at some point you've got to come clean & tell them you want to sell them something. <snip>
        Saying "come clean" suggests that there is some deception involved when there isn't.
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      • Profile picture of the author SageSound
        Originally Posted by Aronya View Post

        The problem with this is that at some point you've got to come clean & tell them you want to sell them something.
        You DO?!

        HOLY COWPIES, BATMAN!

        Think about this for a minute...

        You're a business owner spending $10k/mo on advertising that's not producing squat. You've been running the same type of advertising for years, and the response rate has just been dropping while the cost has been steadily rising.

        Revenues are down and you're looking at slashing your ad budget next month. It scares the crap out of you because you just don't know what to do.

        Then some guy comes in (or calls) and asks about how your advertising is working, and probably knows it's horrible. Then he says, "Would you be interested in cutting your ad budget in half and moving some of that savings over to online marketing for a few months to see how that will work?" From YOUR standpoint, he's offering you a life-raft in a typhoon!

        I truly believe we're in a very unique market right now, and business owners are SCARED. You don't need to "sell them" anything. Just offer them some hope with a plan that will start to increase their revenues, that will cost them LESS than what they're paying now.

        -David
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        • Profile picture of the author NewbiesDiary
          Originally Posted by SageSound View Post

          You DO?!

          HOLY COWPIES, BATMAN!

          Think about this for a minute...

          You're a business owner spending $10k/mo on advertising that's not producing squat. You've been running the same type of advertising for years, and the response rate has just been dropping while the cost has been steadily rising.

          Revenues are down and you're looking at slashing your ad budget next month. It scares the crap out of you because you just don't know what to do.

          Then some guy comes in (or calls) and asks about how your advertising is working, and probably knows it's horrible. Then he says, "Would you be interested in cutting your ad budget in half and moving some of that savings over to online marketing for a few months to see how that will work?" From YOUR standpoint, he's offering you a life-raft in a typhoon!

          I truly believe we're in a very unique market right now, and business owners are SCARED. You don't need to "sell them" anything. Just offer them some hope with a plan that will start to increase their revenues, that will cost them LESS than what they're paying now.

          -David
          Cant agree more! I've had a builder chasing me to help him 'cause a mate told him his business took off when he started "that blogging thing". I mentioned this to him a year ago, but he was resistant at the time - no worries I just moved on.

          So now he's telling me he spends $3500 on newspaper advertising - that's ONE SUNDAY ISSUE! And he's not seeing any results from this spend.

          He also had 22,000 flyers sitting around recently - he spent $800 on a letter box drop and only got 2 responses.

          It's nice to hear that someone is more than happy to spend his advertising budget with you, cause what's he's currently doing isn't working. He's told me he's coming to meet me with an open mind and will do whatever I tell him to do & spend!

          I love my business!
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Not call at all. Create a marketing funnel that incrementally moves them towards qualification as a prospect.

    The best place to "cold call" is networking at business functions like rotary lunches, etc...
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    • Profile picture of the author DogScout
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      Not call at all. Create a marketing funnel that incrementally moves them towards qualification as a prospect.

      The best place to "cold call" is networking at business functions like rotary lunches, etc...
      Beat me to it. Why anyone makes cold calls in 2009 is beyond me.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
        I don't pick up the phone unless it is a mentoring student or a business ready to give me money.

        Get them to call you - it isn't that hard at all - send them a reason to call you via postcards, email, letters, etc and if they are interested they will call you. If not no big deal.

        At any rate, stop worrying about soft openings, hard closes, etc.

        Cold calling to me sounds as fun as getting my toe nails getting removed one by one while fully awake.

        Tim
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    • Profile picture of the author Nic Lynn
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      Not call at all. Create a marketing funnel that incrementally moves them towards qualification as a prospect.

      The best place to "cold call" is networking at business functions like rotary lunches, etc...
      BINGO! Chamber of Commerce-like events, speaking gigs and referrals are much more effective than the classic "cold call."

      However, if you believe that there is a business that just must talk to you and you don't have another way in, I have seen some success from folks with having a letter delivered by certified mail and then calling as a follow-up "regarding the certified mail." You'll really need a name though to pull that off.
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    • Profile picture of the author BruceWayne
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      The best place to "cold call" is networking at business functions like rotary lunches, etc...
      How do you do this so in the end it doesn't seem as if that was your whole purpose from the beginning (and the whole thing becoming a huge turn-off)?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Riddle
    If you don't know who owns the business, how on earth can you possibly know enough about the business to offer any real assistance?

    I trained radio sales people for years and before they were allowed out of the office, not only did they understand what the station could offer, (complete with a word for word presentation) but they had to tell me WHY they were going to see the prospect.

    This is key to establishing any relationship where you want to be seen as a trusted resource NOT someone with a commodity.

    It's a must to present in the terms of results not offering nuts and bolts.

    With nuts and bolts they believe they can comparison shop.

    With providing results, you have taken their minds off of the details and allow them to focus on yield.

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    • Profile picture of the author BruceWayne
      @Mark,

      You didn't answer the question.

      Originally Posted by Mark Riddle View Post

      If you don't know who owns the business, how on earth can you possibly know enough about the business to offer any real assistance?
      Does knowing the name of a cancer patient help the doctor know that they need treatment? Likewise, knowing the name of the business owner isn't necessary to knowing that they may need help marketing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Riddle
        Originally Posted by nathanpennington View Post

        Does knowing the name of a cancer patient help the doctor know that they need treatment? Likewise, knowing the name of the business owner isn't necessary to knowing that they may need help marketing.
        When a sales person knows the owners name they simply ask for the owner by name.

        The additional point is if a sales person doesn't know the business owners name, that sales person needs to spend more time preparing before making the call.

        Rapport is very important, a doctor that is that cold gives the patient doubt if they are getting the correct diagnosis.

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  • Profile picture of the author markfb
    I have found the best way to get a good response from small business owners is to get off the phone and cold call in person.The majority of SM business owners are very good at fielding telephone calls but are not so good and far more responsive to a face to face meeting.Even if they are not available the receptionist is more likely to give you the information you need to make an appointment when you are stood in front of her/him. I worked in B2B sales for over 30 years and making appointments or selling over the phone is a skill which not many can perfect.The personal touch if you are a novice to this kind of sales will work at lot better.
    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author George Sepich
    The strategy and tactics really vary from business to business. Some small businesses like a bakery or a restaurant usually don't have a receptionist type of gatekeeper. You might get their cashier or a person taking reservations or maybe the owner or manager themselves. It's not that hard to get to the owner except as a matter of timing. If it's a full service restaurant you have a window of opportunity once breakfast winds down at around 9:30-10:30 during the week, but before lunch starts at 11 am. Maybe after lunch rush at around 1:30-2pm, maybe later. So bottom line ask for the owners name and the best time to call them.

    Other businesses you will many times have a tough gatekeeper. They won't tell you crap without asking you a bunch of questions, and even them might just say they are not interested. If you run into a tough gatekeeper, but really want to be able to pitch the business, call back early morning, during lunch or a bit after close of business. The gatekeeper may very well be at lunch or not working at that moment, and you may even find yourself talking with the boss him/herself.

    Not a complete answer I know, but a couple of tips from someone that has been in the trenches many times.

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  • Profile picture of the author Gama Seva
    Simple...
    If you end up speaking with the receptionist or any
    employee within the company in question then that's
    fine. You just need to be creative and take advantage
    the conversation.

    Extract some information from him/her about their boss.
    Information like: Does you boss play golf? or Does your
    boss like wine? etc.

    Now, if you think that person can bring significant result
    to whatever purpose you want then you should be willing
    to shell out something. Bribe him or her, send em golf club
    if his in golfing. You get the idea...

    "Identify the weakness of the person in question and use it
    on your advantage."

    This simle tricks works well between the government bureaucracy
    and the private sectors and it will work also to any type of businesses
    of any scale.

    Gama
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  • Profile picture of the author Jim Gillum
    People in business have built a strong resistance to telephone solicitors....
    Much like that call you get at home at dinner time....

    Face to face has an advantage...the product has a lot to do with the success rate....
    As a kid I sold fresh warm donuts every Saturday morning.....door to door.....easy sell.

    In later years I trained life insurance agents to develop prospects...after thier hot list was done...we went to cold calling from a phone book or walking neighborhoods and knocking on doors...that can work...wow hard selling...

    In today's financial climate, most small business owners are watching expenses very closely....even the ones in profit...

    If I were cold calling (face to face) today, I would try to induce a conversation about their business....break the ice ( there are some techniques that work) and then talk about whatever I had....and it had better be something to put money in his pocket....
    because that is what is on his mind...
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  • Profile picture of the author freudianslip27
    It is expensive, but when I was prospecting to build my clients, I just sent out letters. Lots of letters. I spent a good amount of time customizing them, and also made sure I was only sending to businesses that I could actually help.

    The client's I snagged covered the cost of the letters within the first month, and they are still my clients today

    It is nice that cold calling doesn't cost anything, but if you don't want to do it, direct mail does work.

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  • Profile picture of the author David McAnulty
    Originally Posted by nathanpennington View Post

    If you call a small business there is a chance that you got the owner on the phone, or it might just be some part time help.

    It's not as simple as calling a large business. There you know the receptionist is the receptionist. You know how to script it (or what to say).

    But . . .

    How do you go about getting the decision maker on the phone when calling a small business? Do you just ask for the owner/manager? Do you call first just to get the name of the owner/manager and then call back later and ask for them? Something else?

    Thanks!
    Purpose and then Value.

    You must call with a purpose and by chance if you do get an executive on the phone you will have to show them value quickly in whatever you may be offering.

    Really is that simple.

    For example, I am an Account Executive with the 2nd largest computer manufacturer in the world.

    When we call on acquisition accounts the approach is simple.

    Call with a specific purpose. The more research you do on that particular company the better you can customize a targeted pitch.

    It would go something like this.

    Let me speak with David

    (Make sure you command. This is key. If you sound important you have a better chance that decision maker will not question your authority)

    Once the you get the decision maker on the phone keep it short and sweet.

    Like I said I deal in technology so it goes something like this for me.

    Hello my name is David I am a Business Development Leader with XXXX (company name). I understand that your company is involved in XXXXX. I I would like to provide you with information that will strengthen your position within your vertical. Would you agree if I could provide you a solution that would save you $3,000/ month in operating cost and improve the efficiency of your technology resources would that be something of interest to you? Wait for an answer. If yes go into your product pitch and how exactly in will accomplish the claim you just made. If no find out why?
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    • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
      Originally Posted by David McAnulty View Post

      Purpose and then Value.

      You must call with a purpose and by chance if you do get an executive on the phone you will have to show them value quickly in whatever you may be offering.

      Really is that simple.

      For example, I am an Account Executive with the 2nd largest computer manufacturer in the world.

      When we call on acquisition accounts the approach is simple.

      Call with a specific purpose. The more research you do on that particular company the better you can customize a targeted pitch.

      It would go something like this.

      Let me speak with David

      (Make sure you command. This is key. If you sound important you have a better chance that decision maker will not question your authority)

      Once the you get the decision maker on the phone keep it short and sweet.

      Like I said I deal in technology so it goes something like this for me.

      Hello my name is David I am a Business Development Leader with XXXX (company name). I understand that your company is involved in XXXXX. I I would like to provide you with information that will strengthen your position within your vertical. Would you agree if I could provide you a solution that would save you $3,000/ month in operating cost and improve the efficiency of your technology resources would that be something of interest to you? Wait for an answer. If yes go into your product pitch and how exactly in will accomplish the claim you just made. If no find out why?
      When I worked for other people and people called and commanded me to do things like this ... I would command them to F off.

      Look cold calling works but the second I hear a sales pitch on the other end I start the process of hanging up the phone, quickly.

      Tim
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      • Profile picture of the author David McAnulty
        Originally Posted by TimCastleman View Post

        When I worked for other people and people called and commanded me to do things like this ... I would command them to F off.

        Look cold calling works but the second I hear a sales pitch on the other end I start the process of hanging up the phone, quickly.

        Tim
        I would say 99% of the business owners are exactly like Tim. Addressing the gatekeeper with a command works do not try it with the CEO.

        As for a sales pitch, yes you will get rejected a lot, it is the nature of the job.

        That it is why you need to get your purpose of the call out there as quick as possible. Something to peak their interest enough for them to hesitate hanging up.

        If not on the first try, follow up with a case study or white paper.
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
      Originally Posted by David McAnulty View Post

      Purpose and then Value.

      ....
      Hello my name is David I am a Business Development Leader with XXXX (company name). I understand that your company is involved in XXXXX. I I would like to provide you with...

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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Much has to do with personal style. I get on better with others (and with myself) by establishing a friendly rapport, and the odds of making sales increase dramatically by doing so, thus eliminating the need to play the "numbers game" (people are not numbers). Yes, there are plenty of folks who play the numbers game, mechanically churning out a sales spiel and eventually landing a sale. If you wore a sock on your shirt button and asked every passerby to join you for a coffee, eventually someone might join you.
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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    My approach to offline work is this - "people buy people". Ask anyone on here that I've spoken to on Skype!

    I mean that people prefer to use the services of someone they know - or think they know.

    Think about it for a moment. If you need an electrician, how do you choose one? In this order, I would suggest:
    1) If you have a friend or relative who is an electrician (and you know their work is good), you will use them. (Someone you know)
    2) Ask friends/family for a recommendation (Word of mouth)
    3) As a last resort look for an advert (Cold)

    Unless you are an expert marketer, forget cold-calling. Most of us are programmed to simply say "no thank you" and turn off the phone the instant we realise we don't know the caller and they aren't prospective clients.

    To succeed offline you have to meet people. By all means call into businesses. In person. Walk through the door. Ask about their services. Get chatting to them. Be friendly - and above all DON'T dive straight into a sales pitch.

    Have some sample sites to show them.

    If you decide you want to target, for example, local dentists - do a bit of research first. Look at other dentists' sites. See what info they include. Talk to your own dentist - find out what services they offer. If you are "cold" selling, you at least want to sound as if you know about web sites in the niche you are targeting.

    Once you have done one site, then you can show further prospects your existing work.

    If someone approaches you, it isn't so necessary to know the niche. The prospect has approached you and you can talk to them, find out about their businesses and what they want to achieve with their site.

    So - forget cold calling - get out there. Join your local rugby club, church rota, golf club, parent and toddler group, WI, book club, extreme sports club, yoga class - whatever your interest. You need to MEET people - what's one of the first questions someone asks when they meet you? "What do you do?" In my case that is often followed by -"oh - you're just the person I need to xxxxx". I meet a lot of my clients for the first time at parties, gatherings, etc. Just make sure you have your business cards with you at all times.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sissy76
      From my own cold-calling days through university & my husband's whilst going through the motions of gaining permanent residency with telesales work, you really can't go past the:
      "Hi, it's (blah, blah) from (blah, blah) we're just in the process of updating our data base & just need to confirm that we have the correct details for your business...."
      - very effective at the beginning of the calendar year.

      Hope this helps.

      Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author AmyBrown
    There are as many prospecting methods as there are sales people. Cold calling isn't a prospecting tool I currently use however I've personally seen it used very effectively. One key is to listen and engage the person on the other end of the phone in a meaningful conversation, not read a script. Of course that's easier if you know who you're talking to and a little about their business.

    The good thing about cold calling is you'll discover very quickly what does and doesn't work. As someone who's been on both sides of the phone I'll say good luck to you if you try some of the "tips" in this thread

    There are many resources to find the names of business owners. I start with a google search but have also used resources such as Infousa and their related products as well as publicly available information such as dba/fictitious business name listings, city business tax records and various licensing boards.
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