I am being charged $1 a day!

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14 years ago

Works the same for vendors.

Between that and slow check deliveries, I quit using CB.

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gotdmw 14 years ago

what??? thats crazy...

so you are an affiliate there? what do they charge vendors?
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  Yes, that's how it works. Clickbank wants to have a network of productive and effective affiliates. That way, publishers will prefer to be on that network. There are some other affiliate plans that will actually revoke your approval if you don't make any sales within a certain time.
  
  There are networks that will accept low-performing affiliates, if that's your business model.
  
  In a way, it reduces the competition, so it's a good thing.
  
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14 years ago

It is a weird rule they have but if you can't make at least one sale month than you should probably try something else.

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freudianslip27

14 years ago

Wow, that's a surprise. Pretty rotten too.

At least we won't have this happening to gift cards anymore. Did you see that starting January 1st (i think) businesses will need to be more lax in allowing gift cards to last longer, and not have $$$ deducted over time like they do now.

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Zeus66

14 years ago

I've got $88 being held hostage there in an account too. First, they imposed a rule called CDR. Now they're going to slowly drain the accounts of those with money they've rightfully earned, $1.00 at a time. It's ridiculous. I understand that they want active affiliates, that's all well and good. But when someone has earned legitimate commissions, they should at least clear the decks at the end of the year. This $1.00 "fee" for "dormancy" is ridiculous, and it's theft imho. You should not be able to hold money rightfully earned hostage by implementing new rules after the fact, then take it back a buck at a time by yet another new rule. They need to do the right thing and pay off those who don't meet these silly and arbitrary new rules. Then close those accounts. Look, $88 isn't going to hurt me at all, but that's not the point. It's the principle. It's their business, fair enough, but don't change the rules mid-stream, effectively nullifying legitimately earned commissions just because you can. Sheesh.

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gotdmw 14 years ago

wow im having my second thoughts about jumping into clickbank this year

are there other sites of the caliber of clickbank?
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Mo Faisal

14 years ago

i have not heard anything like that before. Even I am having second thoughts on using clickbank this new year.

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steve995 14 years ago

Clickbank pull stunts like these with monotonous regularity, which is why I always look for suitable products at:

PayDotCom.com

There are not as many products to select from but imho, the service is more transparent and you get paid via PayPal. It's owned by Mile Filsaime as well, so you at least know who the owner is and that he is a highly reputable fellow Warrior.

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- theemperor 14 years ago
  
  It is pretty well known that clickbank does this. I don't think it makes them a bad network to be an affiliate or vendor. There are a lot of advantages of using clickbank too, and if you keep making sales there is no problem.
  
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PatriciaJ

14 years ago

You also have to make 5 sales from different bank cards before they will pay you the last time I looked. A lot of people must lose commissions.

I've been moving over to myhelphub, I make more sales of their products and they pay out within a few weeks of each transaction into your paypal account. They don't take the commission back if you don't make a sale for a while and I haven't had any refunds on products. There are a two levels, so you earn from those that you introduce. There aren't as many products as Clickbank but I feel more comfortable promoting them and I can make as many or as few sales as I want without being penalised.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by PatriciaJ

You also have to make 5 sales from different bank cards before they will pay you the last time I looked. A lot of people must lose commissions.

I've been moving over to myhelphub, I make more sales of their products and they pay out within a few weeks of each transaction into your paypal account. They don't take the commission back if you don't make a sale for a while and I haven't had any refunds on products. There are a two levels, so you earn from those that you introduce. There aren't as many products as Clickbank but I feel more comfortable promoting them and I can make as many or as few sales as I want without being penalised.

Just checked out that site and it is a site far from the IM niche as you could get - that's not to say that you can't make sales there though!

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luckystepho 14 years ago

I was going to ask about this... when I didn't make any sales for some time $1 was regularly leeched from my Clickbank account and now I know why!
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- Killer Joe 14 years ago
  
  There's actually a very simple way to get around this problem of dormancy.
  
  If you have a CB account then you are most likely an affiliate marketer. Or at least you consider yourself one.
  
  So if you value your education, do some research in the CB Marketplace and find products that you believe will further your education, or find tools or software, or graphics. Create a hoplink and buy the product through your own hoplink.
  
  The vendor gets a sale they never would have gotten otherwise. It's an affiliate sale so their gravity is helped. You get something you want at a discount that will help you on your journey, and CB sees activity on your account.
  
  If you've gotten past the CDR threshold it becomes a little like forced savings. If you haven't, then take those products you've bought and set up some type of campaign to sell those products now that you are familiar with them.
  
  And don't forget to take what you've learned or bought and put it into action. This isn't about filling up your hard drive to save a dollar a day.
  
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  Create a hoplink and buy the product through your own hoplink.
  
  That will NOT help you meet the credit card quota so you can be oaid commissions. Think! Family/friends - different credit cards - that works.
  
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  That will NOT help you meet the credit card quota so you can be oaid commissions. Think! Family/friends - different credit cards - that works.
  
  Agreed, the idea is stop the dormancy. If you are going to be spending the money anyway ($1 a day) make it count.
  
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Nathi Fakudze

14 years ago

I Quit using CB long long time ago, I use Clickbooth, Ads4dough, Azoogle, to name but a few. I haven't heard any problems so far..

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Kim Standerline

14 years ago

I got caught with this as well, I had a high payout threshold so I wouldn't have to pay too much on bank charges here in the UK. As I don't use CB a great deal (or login much) it was ages before I realised they had drained my account to the tune of a $100+ (I was royally pissed)

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14 years ago

It sucks but there's nothing to do if it's within their terms and conditions. It's their business and the reality is that they can do what they want with it.

Not saying it's a good thing but that's reality.

You either accept all of the good things and the bad things that come with CB or you find another network.

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Banned 14 years ago

This happens to everyone actually, well everyone that has pulled out all of their earnings to early and a customer refunded their payment.

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Wow, I had no idea about this. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! I'm another one who "forgot" about Clickbank for a while and was planning to get back into it within the next week or so.

I logged in today, and they've taken all but $35 of my $157. And of course, I never reached the threshold due to the 5 different credit cards issue (another thing I wasn't aware of, although I should have been).

Well, guess that's it for Clickbank. I'd love to promote some of their products, but I'm not willing to have them take my money.
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John Romaine

14 years ago

Unless Im unaware of it - I wish paypal would implement a marketplace like CB. If they did Id be over there in a minute.

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Tony Dean 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ramone_johnny

Unless Im unaware of it - I wish paypal would implement a marketplace like CB. If they did Id be over there in a minute.

Oh but they have got a marketplace!

It's called eBay!
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WD Mino

14 years ago

Thanks Tony for posting this I had some cash in my cb account but not enough to worry about 50 bucks or so I noticed they dinged me too so I thought f@@ you see ya and closed it . what a freikin joke.
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rondo

14 years ago

Yes it sucks but that's how it has always worked.
Many other networks have similar policies. eg CJ would have dropped you by now.

You can decide to leave these networks or you can start making more sales, but I don't see the point in complaining about it when the terms are pretty clear.

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WD Mino

14 years ago

Originally Posted by rondo

Yes it sucks but that's how it has always worked.
Many other networks have similar policies. eg CJ would have dropped you by now.

You can decide to leave these networks or you can start making more sales, but I don't see the point in complaining about it when the terms are pretty clear.

Andrew

I joined CB when I first started I am a vendor now but was an affiliate I choose to promote my own stuff so I stopped driving traffic to them. simple. I could care less about the 50 bucks and I will complain about something if I choose thank you.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by WD Mino

I joined CB when I first started I am a vendor now but was an affiliate I choose to promote my own stuff so I stopped driving traffic to them. simple. I could care less about the 50 bucks and I will complain about something if I choose thank you.
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Fine with me!

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Andrew, Congrats on your 5000th Post!

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Janet Sawyer 14 years ago

Originally Posted by smashedpumpkins

As said earlier you should be charged for being dormant. I would stay away from them for now or try to work something out with them.

From my experience over the years you cannot work anything out with them. They RULE THE ROOST

Your options are - Have you met their CDR requirement?
No = You are not going to see your money

You did meet their CDR requirement but now are not making consistent sales. (well, you might be making sales, but the refunds are just the same a the sale rate! :rolleyes: not sure if this is CB or the merchant, working on this one )

Yes = lower your payout level immediately. Then get your payment out of them. If you are on direct deposit, take the $2.50 hit. $7.50 is better in your pocket rather than theirs.

Once you have cleared your account, ask for it to be closed.
Open a new one if, and when you feel the need to promote a product that is being promoted through their system.

There are lots of alternatives around now to CB, Paydotcom, RAP, $7 script, inhouse affiliate programs etc.

Due dilgence Guys, always pays off in the long term.

Just my 2c,

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  Originally Posted by Janet Sawyer
  
  Due diligence Guys, always pays off in the long term.
  
  Just my 2c,
  
  Kindest regards,
  
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  First things first: "Happy New Year!" every one!
  
  Talking about Due Diligence...I've been out there shopping for an affiliate managing solution, and bumped into some of your posts Janet.
  
  I see you have your own product Affiliate Pay Pro. It looks very interesting. I find the "coupon" concept very mind-triggering!
  
  Does your software handle recurring commissions, like in a membership site?
  
  Do you have a more detailed features pdf?
  
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WD Mino

14 years ago

Gee thanks^

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WD Mino

14 years ago

Yup great point janet. CB at one time was the place. no longer is that the case and paydotcom is kicking @ currently and they actually protect the vendor from being ripped by serial refunders. I like em CB may be well known but they are not IT that's for sure
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by WD Mino

Yup great point janet. CB at one time was the place. no longer is that the case and paydotcom is kicking @ currently and they actually protect the vendor from being ripped by serial refunders. I like em CB may be well known but they are not IT that's for sure
-WD

Wd ... just a word of warning . There is no police action at PDC ( I use them myself ) .

When I do affiliate for vendors from PDC I do a test run, sell a few products and make sure the vendor actually pays .

Most do ... a few haven't

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WD Mino

14 years ago

Oh Good point Troy.

Hmm Well I would be using them as a vendor but if people are not paying the affiliates hmmm maybe I shouldn't use them
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14 years ago

WD,

As an option, you may consider the Rapid Acton Profits software:

http://rapidactionprofits.com/

Works well for you as a vendor with affiliates getting paid right away and promoting products powered by RAP as an affiliate. The instant payments is a big draw.

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WD Mino

14 years ago

Nice one John.

I use Jam myself but I will look into yours. I think the best option for me now would be no third party just let my own software handle it . it is just kind of cool when people will just sign up and promote but I like to know who is promoting and how they are doing it so CB lost me and my wife just closed her account too. Having Troy give me that warning made me think Hmmm my name is too important to have anything screwy go wrong like an affiliate not get paid etc. instant is best.
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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

The version I use requires me to make the payments myself so my affiliates get paid on time every time . I was just saying from an affiliate point of view .. be careful.

Rap is not third party . It goes on your own server . And John is the man if you decide to get someone to install for you . He can set it up to not even appear to be rap.

Originally Posted by WD Mino

Nice one John.

I use Jam myself but I will look into yours. I think the best option for me now would be no third party just let my own software handle it . it is just kind of cool when people will just sign up and promote but I like to know who is promoting and how they are doing it so CB lost me and my wife just closed her account too. Having Troy give me that warning made me think Hmmm my name is too important to have anything screwy go wrong like an affiliate not get paid etc. instant is best.
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WD Mino

14 years ago

yeah I know of RAP Troy but thanks for the clarity. I use JAM hosted on my server and I can install scripts on my own so that is a nice break for me. I am saying I don't think third party is the way to go for me anymore I like the paying part to my affiliates on time every time and throw em a bonus if they do well etc. easier to do if you are in control of it .

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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

You need to remember another aspect .

Sites like PDC and CB have an instant affiliate base .

For PDC I promote one of my products as an affiliate to my list . Make the one sale required to go to live market place .

Give away most of the profit for this $27 product .

Contact my best selling Affiliates and let them know I have more products in a closed program , give them a review copy and split the higher end products 50/50 with them.

I currently have 56 affiliates that are pretty darn good .

One lady averages 10 sales a day for me on a $67 product .

This same process could easily move your best affiliates from a third party to your own hosted program. .

Have the rest of my products closed only .

Originally Posted by WD Mino

yeah I know of RAP Troy but thanks for the clarity. I use JAM hosted on my server and I can install scripts on my own so that is a nice break for me. I am saying I don't think third party is the way to go for me anymore I like the paying part to my affiliates on time every time and throw em a bonus if they do well etc. easier to do if you are in control of it .

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14 years ago

Hey that is a good strategy I like it thanks for sharing that Troy.

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

There are other affiliate programs, i also like plimus and regnow.

That being said, i love clickbank and never really had ANY such issues with them. In fact, CB is what pays my bills right now.

As for $1/day...if you dont make a sale for...uhm..90 days...why dont you just close the account?

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Harvey Segal 14 years ago

To the OP.

You've got it all wrong

You are not being charged $1 a day after 90 days of no earnings.

It's $1 per pay period

$5 per pay period after 180 days of no earnings
$50 per pay period after 365 days of no earnings.

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WD Mino

14 years ago

^ OHhhhhh. Well that is different I thought I was dinged daily I went and checked it out because of this thread I just thought oh whatever I just made sales a few weeks ago but serves me right I closed out my account .I figured a dollar a day man alive they will have me paying them instead of vice versa. so out I went.

Oh well thanks for the post Harvey .

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Surely not, Tony? It should be $1 every two weeks (because that's their standard "pay period").

This "dormant account charge", explained here, does seem monstrously unreasonable, and my lawyer friend opines that in most countries it would never stand up in court (because there are usually statutory considerations about "obviously unfair/unreasonable contractual terms" - in the UK it's the Unfair Contract Terms Act of 1997, and there's precedent law, too) but the reality is that it's never going to be tested in court unless I win the national lottery and get bloody-minded with them, but that's not too likely as I don't actually buy lottery tickets), and of course they rely on that to take back people's money. But still, there's a big difference between $1 per day and $1 every two weeks. Make a sale quickly, and that will give you another 3 months before losing any more!

Here is a quote from Clickbank help center:-

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"Dormant Accounts

Accounts with a positive balance but no earnings for an extended period of time are considered dormant. Dormant accounts are subject to a charge of $1 per pay period after 90 days of no earnings, $5 per pay period after 180 days of no earnings, and $50 per pay period after 365 days of no earnings."
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Did you notice that "$50 a pay period!!!!"

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

but to earlier threads in which you've defended Clickbank's poor affiliate-tracking and called for "video evidence" of something which couldn't possibly have been video'd.

Well I've defended it in the sense that I've tried
to point out the erroneous logic in the
"my sales went down from 2 per day to zero last week so it must
be ClickBank tracking that is at fault" threads.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Even though I note you chose not to reply to my question about the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1997, there are laws about this sort of thing,

I've wisely not commented because these legal matters are beyond my simple mind.

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Harvey Segal 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Phil Leotardo

Unless you are seeing something I am not, it says $50 per pay period.

People see what they want to see.

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slovatt

14 years ago

They not only take $1 day if you are inactive, they take an allowance from those who do make sales. That hold back can is 10% of you check for six pay periods to cover any future refunds. Their terms state that 10% is usual but they can hold back up to 100% if their Security Department deems your account to be risky. I'm not sure exactly what that means.

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monitorit

14 years ago

i have had the same problem and my account went into negative balance so i just closed that and reopened another. The problem i find is physical products just convert a lot better.

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Lesboy

14 years ago

Thank you all for contributing to this thread. I'd been thinking about putting a product on CB and whilst I'll probably do so, I'll now make sure "I study the small print".

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derekwong28

14 years ago

My biggest surprise here is that it is the first time I have ever seen this mentioned at the WF. People here always say how great Clickbank is compared to CJ but IMHO Clickbank is far worse. I had this charge deducted on two separate occasions and that is why I lost all interest in Clickbank.

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So let me get this right, if you are an affiliate marketer
with a choice of 10,000+ products who is unable to make
one sale (that is ONE sale) - in 180 days (that's HALF
A YEAR) then ClickBank will fine you a massive six
dollars.

The rogues.

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Zeus66

14 years ago

The amount is irrelevant. Imagine you sold a product that did not include any kind of forced continuity aspect. Then imagine you went back to every customer and instituted such a program for $1.00 per month from each of them. Without their permission or even the courtesy of an email alert. Now, further imagine that you gave none of your new forced monthly membership "customers" the option to opt out of your wonderful new paid membership program unless they sold some more of your stuff.

Make more sense now why some would cry foul, Harvey?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Zeus66

The amount is irrelevant. Imagine you sold a product that did not include any kind of forced continuity aspect. Then imagine you went back to every customer and instituted such a program for $1.00 per month from each of them. Without their permission or even the courtesy of an email alert. Now, further imagine that you gave none of your new forced monthly membership "customers" the option to opt out of your wonderful new paid membership program unless they sold some more of your stuff.

Make more sense now why some would cry foul, Harvey?

John

Nope.

As a new ClickBank affiliate you should read their Accounting Policy
Accounting Policy - ClickBank

where the terms of the dormant account are clearly laid out.

No one forces you to join.

And you CAN 'opt out' i.e. avoid dormant fees by closing your account

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Zeus66

14 years ago

C'mon Harvey. You can do better than that, my man. That's for NEW CB members, and you're exactly right. If you join after this change they made, then you get what you get. No one can legitimately complain about that. But what we're talking about here is all those who had some commissions in there before this change was made. In those cases (and there are a lot, I'm sure), it's exactly like I said. They put you into a forced continuity program, and the only way out is to sell more stuff. That's wrong, any way you slice and dice it.

EDIT: Oh, and if you close your account, CB keeps your outstanding commission payments, so you're wrong there too. Either way, they keep what you earned. That's just wrong.

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Harvey Segal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Zeus66

But what we're talking about here is all those who had some commissions in there before this change was made.

I don't have a date but in no way is the dormancy fee a new rule.

Originally Posted by Zeus66

EDIT: Oh, and if you close your account, CB keeps your outstanding commission payments, so you're wrong there too. Either way, they keep what you earned. That's just wrong.

No you are wrong.

Only a closing balance under $10 is forfeited.

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Harvey Segal 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

I don't have a date but in no way is the dormancy fee a new rule.

I've used the Wayback Machine http://www.archive.org/
and looked at the ClickBank site in 2004.

The dormancy rule is there (and may have existed even earlier)

Harvey

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Zeus66

14 years ago

Oooh! I take it all back then. LOL Nothing to see here, folks. Ignore the red-faced bald guy with the shades. Move along.

::::: Sorry Harvey :::::

Me and my big mouth.... er, fingers.

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Taylor French

14 years ago

By the way, it has been proven in court on several occasions that if a site's terms and conditions do something illegal, it's still illegal. So a TOS isn't always a company's magic "out".

All it takes is for someone to stand up and challenge in court. Unfortunately, most people don't have the time or funds to do so, which is why so many people think a TOS is protection for sites.

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Paul Moore

14 years ago

Just Google "affiliate network" or "affiliate network list". There are sites out there that evaluate the affiliate networks all in one spot for you. They include information on the number of affiliate programs a network has, pay date, and min payout among other data. You may find some gold nuggets if you play the numbers game.

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Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago

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- Killer Joe 14 years ago
  
  Alexa,
  
  Regarding your stance on Clickbank confiscating dormant funds, I'm not saying you're wrong here, I just don't see where you are right.
  
  Even banks and savings institutions will deduct monthly fees for accounts that fall below a certain threshold. It sucks, but it is legal. Ask any lobbyist in the banking sector .
  
  Clickbank is no different in this regard. You can't expect them to sit on monies in dormant accounts, which are basically liabilities that need to be paid out if conditions are met, forever. There are accounting costs involved, both from an asset vs laibility standpoint as well as taxing issues..
  
  It goes far beyond just assuming those dormant accounts and the monies allotted to those accounts are just lines of code on a computer spread sheet.
  
  I don't see where they are out of line here, unless that line is an imaginary 'fairness' line.
  
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  Harvey Segal 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith
  
  you continue to leap to the defense of Clickbank over something so clearly petty and ultimately indefensible.
  
  Well I've leapt to the defence of ClickBank to clarify
  all the erroneous statements in this thread
  - it's a dollar per pay period not per day
  - they don't take all your earnings when you close your account
  - the dormancy rule is not a new innovation
  
  But you have chosen to lump those in with my view of the
  dormancy fee as an exaggerated "continuing" to leap.
  
  And in my opinion - if I may be allowed to express it - I
  don't think the dormancy fees are "clearly petty and
  ultimately indefensible"
  
  In fact . . . I don't think they are enough.
  
  If you don't make a sale in six months you are not a
  serious affiliate marketer. You are doing it as a hobby
  or buying products under your own affiliate id.
  
  Now just as people are urging ClickBank to weed out
  unsuitable products should they also not remove non-
  serious affiliates whose lack of professionalism (e.g in
  hyped up advertising) may be harming their cause ?
  
  In view of this I think ClickBank are not 'unreasonable
  and unfair' and I suggest they should Triple those fees.
  
  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith
  
  And a happy New Year to you, Harvey.
  
  Thank you.
  
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Jack Martin

14 years ago

CB might be running into an accounting rule that says they have to clear up liabilities on regular basis. Otherwise they end up owing money to people who haven't talked to in years and can't find.

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MADULALI

14 years ago

Yikes...being drained $1 per month is very interesting.

Overall, I don't think CB is that bad, it just depends, on what you are trying to do.

I have sold products on clickbank (my products) and sold products as an affiliate.

Michael

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FredFarnes

14 years ago

Sheesh, while some of us whine about small potatoes, we jump in and make money.

Aren't we doing this to sell product? Read the TOS, know the rules of the game before you play.

You choose which camp you want to be in. Whining doesn't pay the bills, selling makes these complaints seem very petty.

Take action, sell some stuff, you will not have these issues to worry about.

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