Unauthorized account activity claim... Huh?

[Mike Hill]

It really infuriates me when a fellow Warrior purchases my WSO and then goes to PayPal within minutes and files an unauthorized account activity claim.

What's up with that..?

I've been using PayPal for quite sometime now and have hundreds of transactions and this has never happened for a WSO...

Is there really that much fraud going on around here or is this just a slickster trying to get his cash back without having to deal with me?

Mike Hill

[Frank Ayres]

Maybe you should report the WF member

[BIG Mike]

Hey Mike,

Not really that much fraud, it just seems like it because they get the most attention. I would think that since they bought a WSO, they're familiar with how IM works (even if only a bit), so yeah, I'd probably assume he or she is looking to avoid you.

I've got a similar situation going on now in the product review section - this idiot bought something through an Incansoft member, filed a PayPal dispute 5 minutes later and is now calling me out on the carpet because he couldn't walk away with the product.

Unfortunately it's just no longer like the good old days where members here mostly acted like real Warriors in their approach to business.

[Martin Luxton]

and then goes to PayPal within minutes and files an unauthorized account activity claim.

I would think that should raise red flags at Paypal. I mean, how many people check their emails that frequently and could react that quickly?

Martin

[Kim Standerline]

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

I would think that should raise red flags at Paypal. I mean, how many people check their emails that frequently and could react that quickly?

Martin

Problem is, they tend to have numpties working at paypal

Kim

[DonDavis]

I have a little trouble myself from time to time. I have 5 instances in the last couple of months where someone has bought a WSO and then file claims that their paypal accounts have been hacked.

A couple of these people claimed they had no knowledge of a Warrior Forum. So I don't know if it is Warriors buying and then disputing the charges, or somebody here on the forum hacking other people's email and PayPal to make the purchase. It's probably a little of both.

So don't think for a minute that this is a completely harmless little (huge) community of tightly knitted folks. Yes I know that most of the people on here are genuine, but we do have sharks among us!

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

Problem is, they tend to have numpties working at paypal

Kim

If numpties means "total pillocks" I will have to agree with you on that one Kim.

[DonDavis]

I just got hit with another one this morning. Anybody know if Karen Paul is a registered user of the WF?

[BIG Mike]

What the hell is a "numpty" and "pillock"? Is that like a Malaka?

[Chris Lockwood]

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

I would think that should raise red flags at Paypal. I mean, how many people check their emails that frequently and could react that quickly?

Martin

Don't try to inject common sense into this!

[Takuya Hikichi]

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

he couldn't walk away with the product.

Hey Mike,

Was your product able to revoke license remotely or something? I asume this is a software instead of PDF?

[Mike Hill]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

Problem is, they tend to have numpties working at paypal

Kim

You are totally right... Now for some reason PayPal says I have 2 disputes. This blows!

I found the problem... a lot of people aren't being redirected by PayPal after their transaction. Even if they click the link it gives an error. I know my end is setup correctly, I do this for a living!

Once again PayPal drops the ball... Congratulations PayPal for making me look like an idiot!

Mike Hill

[Mike Hill]

Originally Posted by DonDavis

I just got hit with another one this morning. Anybody know if Karen Paul is a registered user of the WF?

I got hit with one from Karen Paul as well today...

Mike Hill

[John Rogers]

Originally Posted by DonDavis

I just got hit with another one this morning. Anybody know if Karen Paul is a registered user of the WF?

I got one from Karen Paul as well.

John

[Lainie]

Sounds like Karen Paul has some explaining to do

Best of luck, hope you get it sorted

Lainie

[Floyd Fisher]

Originally Posted by Mike Hill

It really infuriates me when a fellow Warrior purchases my WSO and then goes to PayPal within minutes and files an unauthorized account activity claim.

What's up with that..?

I've been using PayPal for quite sometime now and have hundreds of transactions and this has never happened for a WSO...

Is there really that much fraud going on around here or is this just a slickster trying to get his cash back without having to deal with me?

Mike Hill

So, now you're account has been suspended over this, am I right?

Real cute, isn't it? It's exactly why I stopped taking paypal.

[Kim Standerline]

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

What the hell is a "numpty" and "pillock"? Is that like a Malaka?

Keep up Mike lol

what's a malaka

[Mike Hill]

Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher

So, now you're account has been suspended over this, am I right?

Real cute, isn't it? It's exactly why I stopped taking paypal.

No my account has not been suspended ... (yet *knocking on head (wood) with hand*)

[Mike Hill]

I just talked with PayPal on the phone... they are going to take a look at that account to see whats going on...

Mike Hill

[Aaron Moser]

Mike,

I had one of these unauthorized paypal claims from my WSO today too.

I bet it's the same person. Their initials were K. P.

[Mike Hill]

I just Alerted Alan so hopefully he'll be able to track down
this scum bag and ban them.

Mike Hill

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by Aaron Moser

Mike,

I had one of these unauthorized paypal claims from my WSO today too.

I bet it's the same person. Their initials were K. P.

Me too....

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by DonDavis

I just got hit with another one this morning. Anybody know if Karen Paul is a registered user of the WF?

Don, she's had a number of fraudulent sales against her account. I think it
was hacked. I sent the IP address of the person to Allen to see if he can
figure out who it is.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Since the name already came up, I'm going to share an email I got from
them earlier today when I challenged this. A guilty person doesn't write these
kind of emails. They just cut and run.

Hi Steven,

Neither I, nor my wife Karen Paul ordered this product from you. From
10:09 pm to 2:31 last night and the starting again at 6:50 am this morning
my wife, Karen Paul had her PayPal account fraudulently accessed and 43
transactions were processed. I am working with PayPal and my bank to
resolve this. Thank you for furnishing the IP address where this
originated. I will be forwarding this information on to PayPal.

Best regards,

Ron Paul

[DonDavis]

Any of you have bad deals from any of these folks?

soundtweakersXyahoo.com
ndhXalumni.duke.edu
LauraXkimro2.com
boucherjvXhotmail.com
michaelXgreywolfcomputers.com
karen@kpcollection.com (Karen Paul)

They have all got me in the last 6 weeks or so. I don't know how many of these I can receive before PP starts crap with my account.

"Don, she's had a number of fraudulent sales against her account. I think it
was hacked. I sent the IP address of the person to Allen to see if he can
figure out who it is."

I have done that in the past also Steven and I never heard back one way or another.
Was your product downloaded via IP: 68.96.36.239?

[Mike Hill]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Since the name already came up, I'm going to share an email I got from
them earlier today when I challenged this. A guilty person doesn't write these
kind of emails. They just cut and run.

Hi Steven,

Neither I, nor my wife Karen Paul ordered this product from you. From
10:09 pm to 2:31 last night and the starting again at 6:50 am this morning
my wife, Karen Paul had her PayPal account fraudulently accessed and 43
transactions were processed. I am working with PayPal and my bank to
resolve this. Thank you for furnishing the IP address where this
originated. I will be forwarding this information on to PayPal.

Best regards,

Ron Paul

Wow, at least you got an email from them... LOL
I sent an email to that address so hopefully I'll get a response back.

Mike Hill

[John Rogers]

It appears the site on the domain of Karen Paul's email was hacked.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=9&gl=us

[MarketingFast]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

Problem is, they tend to have numpties working at paypal

Kim

Absolutely true!

[pjs]

Originally Posted by Mike Hill

It really infuriates me when a fellow Warrior purchases my WSO and then goes to PayPal within minutes and files an unauthorized account activity claim.

What's up with that..?

I've been using PayPal for quite sometime now and have hundreds of transactions and this has never happened for a WSO...

Is there really that much fraud going on around here or is this just a slickster trying to get his cash back without having to deal with me?

Mike Hill

Funny that you post this.. I got my very first one today from my WSO as well. I've never had this claim before with any product I've sold. Today was my first..

In any case, I just refunded the purchase and killed the download link for that transaction. I wonder if we have the same person who did this? PM me and let's see if we got the same culprit.

Peter

[guillopuyol]

I had my first dispute today. I woke up and saw two payments from the same person for my WSO. I refunded the first one thinking it was a mistake and would save the person the grief of asking for a refund.

Later I check my account again and there is a dispute.

Tracking the IPs of the person that subscribed and the person that confirms shows to completely different addresses. One is in the US and another one is from india.

I guess something we have to live with...

[Shannon Herod]

Originally Posted by Mike Hill

I got hit with one from Karen Paul as well today...

Mike Hill

Add me to the list of getting hit by Karen Paul.

Shannon

[Lance K]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Hi Steven,

Neither I, nor my wife Karen Paul ordered this product from you. From
10:09 pm to 2:31 last night and the starting again at 6:50 am this morning
my wife, Karen Paul had her PayPal account fraudulently accessed and 43
transactions were processed. I am working with PayPal and my bank to
resolve this. Thank you for furnishing the IP address where this
originated. I will be forwarding this information on to PayPal.

Best regards,

Ron Paul

He didn't even solicit your write in vote?

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

Keep up Mike lol

what's a malaka

Just a quick heads up Kim

Malaka = Master Bater...

You know what I mean

[Scott Murdaugh]

Can't believe I didn't notice this thread sooner.

I had my first "fraudulent transaction" come through from my WSO the other day, user, Karen Paul.

-Scott

[ahuddy]

I just went through this a minute ago. Person ordered through paypal. Then they contacted me afterwards from the same email as paypal account. All was fine. The next day (today) he sends me an email saying he never made a purchase from and was going to his bank to claim fraud. Yet again sent from the same email address. I did a domain whois on his website that he asked me to do work on and everything matched up, his name, email, location. WTF? All I can think it could be is alzheimer's.

[ecdiscounts]

If you want to read some real PayPal Horror Stories check out PayPal Nightmares. It will Scare you for sure...

Scott