I'm about to throw in the towel

14 years ago

Hey Kenny,

Don't give up..not just yet..Don't worry. You're not
alone..that happens to the best of us..

If your goal is to initially make money..Then I suggest you
offer a service. Try offering a writing service..Last year
I averaged a thousand bucks monthly from August to December
because of a Writing Gig..It made me about 5k for 5 months.

Before that Gig ended (it happened on the first day of the New Year),
I already had a keyword tool which I sold via WSO and has made
me near $500 to date..

You could try those business models..But don't give up..

Not just yet...

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Sara Young

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kenny5

I've been internet marketing for over two years. I have made a total of about $100 in those two years. I've tried a lot of different things, not much has worked, and the few things that did work, didn't work well.

I'm in college now, and I am finally wondering if this is worth my time or whether it is time to give it up.

I don't know what to do anymore. I've tried affiliate marketing, creating products, and lots of other things.

What do I do? Does anyone know of some kind of action plan, or something I can do to finally turn this around? Or is it time to throw in the towel?

I don't want to give up, but I don't want to continue to waste my time and effort either.

Here's something that really helped me when I was in a similar position:

Find someone successful. Doesn't really matter who.

Buy their course if they have one, (unless you can find someone who'll help you for free), and follow the instructions. Stick to that. Don't try anything else for the time being.

If you're not making money at the end of the course - ask them what you are doing wrong. Follow their advice, and keep doing and asking until it works.

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sirtom 14 years ago
Hey bro,

Alright, this is a sensitive issue for me, since I've been there so many times. I'm 22 (not in college; not going back), and I've been into IM for just over 2 years as well, so we're pretty much on the same page.

By the sound of "I tried ___, ___, and ___", it sounds to me like you just haven't really got cranking on any one thing. You don't "try" something, then quit it if it doesn't work. That obviously won't get you anywhere.

You need to do one thing until it DOES work, because it's YOU that's going to make it work.

Here's what I've learned above all else:
1. You gotta want it
2. Being "productive" is far from being "busy"
3. set goals and get them down on paper, asap
4. until you're making money online, only do 1 thing at a time
First, about wanting it: If you wanted it THAT bad, you'd bust ass for it. It's not: "I'll try this, I'll try that; I hope it works". Wanting it is making it happen and not stopping until it does.

If it means sitting in front of your computer every night, well then join the rest of the IM crowd and just take the weight gain in stride. After you're banking there will be plenty of time for the gym. That's 1 hour you could have spent driving traffic to your site.

You gotta work for it. When things don't work out, it's usually because of the amount of effort and dedication that went into it. Granted, you'll obviously fail, but the faster and more you fail, the faster you'll hit that success. And it usually only takes 1 success to really get going.

And tactics are crap. You don't need all the new courses and everything. When you want something bad enough, you figure out a way to make it happen. Then you commit to that plan and take massive action. So no,

Second, you can work for 8 hours a day, but if at the end of those 8 hours you didn't get anything done, you just wasted 8 hours. Don't think because you're in front of your computer "marketing" that you're making things happen.

I used to be online for hours, and months later my friends were passing me by. That's because of the action they were taking, and getting things done. I was just keeping 'busy', doing busy work.

Productive means getting things done, where busy means being online. Things don't have to be perfect, either. It really doesn't matter if your squeeze page is perfect and centered if you're the only one seeing it.

Third, get your goals on paper. That's huge, because once they're on paper they aren't just random thoughts circling in your head. Once you distinguish what your goals are, you'll be able to figure out how to reach them.

But, start with short term ones. Something like "I want to make $10k/month" isn't going to cut it. Start with something like "I want to make $100/week". That's manageable.

Now the "work" begins... How are you going to make $100/week? You could tear up an affiliate marketing campaign. You could revisit one of the products you bought in the past and focus SOLELY on that... There's a lot of ways to do it, but the first $100 comes before the first $10,000.

Fourth, only focus on ONE thing at a time. When you throw more than 1 thing in there, you're going to half-ass both of them because you're not giving it 100%, only half of your attention. You need more than 50% to make it happen.

You already have about 10 IM courses on your computer. Minimum. I know that because you've been into IM for 2 years, and you usually hit 5ish products in the first 6 months. All of them work, to some degree or another. Apply all of your attention to ONE thing, and just rock it out bro.

And that's all I got. This can happen; you either don't want it bad enough, or you don't know how to get cranking and get real work done. You need to find out how to do it though, because until you do, you're going to drift. And you don't really make money when you drift.

Hope that helps,
-Tom

PS- I'm dead serious about the gym comment, too. Seriously, all your time needs to go into this if you want to make it happen.
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- kenny5 14 years ago
  
  Thanks man. That's what I needed. And you are completely right. I though I was being productive but after reading your post and sitting down and really thinking about what I've been doing these two years, I haven't been doing it right.
  
  Thanks a lot, you're post is what I needed to keep going.
  
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  petelta 14 years ago
  
  I didn't go through all the replies to the thread so this might of already been said. What did you do to earn your $100. Do that more! You've already beaten out 90% of people trying IM. You made money.
  
  i was at this for over year and didn't make over 20 dollars. That's because I jumped from method to method and have never stuck to one practice for more than a month.
  
  Keep at it. You will get there. I know I will. I had the same downer thoughts you did only 2 months ago and I stuck it out. Now, I'm doing pretty good. If you've been doing this for over a year, you have a pretty good understanding of what really needs to be done. Now just do it.
  
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Ashley Skuse

14 years ago

Kenny,

I myself am new to things like Internet/affiliate marketing and authoring. There's a lot to learn.

So far I only sell one product, and it is my own. It has taken me somewhere between 8-10 months to setup the foundation behind it.

Last year I wasn't making any sales. I thought I knew enough and I thought my efforts were enough, so I had decided that the idea of making money online in such a manner must have been no more than a myth.

But I stuck with it. I just don't like giving up, and it didn't make sense that I wasn't making any income, so I needed it to make sense.

I was lucky enough to gain an influential mentor who is a good friend of mine and making good money with online publishing and marketing. It turned out I knew very little.

In a matter of weeks I went from making nothing, to an average of about $400-$500 per month, and I spent little to nothing on advertising, and still don't.

Finding a mentor didn't just teach me a lot, but I was highly inspired and I think that is what drives me the most. I know that the sky is my limit. I expect to turn my part-time income into a full-time income this year, there's nothing that can really stop me from hitting that goal.

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davejohnson333 14 years ago

I read about another person who was at it for six years and did not make any real money until he came up with his own systems and products. I think that is what you should concentrate on also. Think about your passion and what you would like to learn more about and then study until you can create your own product or service to supply it.

Don't throw in the towel because the shower of prosperity awaits you.
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Ape23

14 years ago

If you have made that little in that amount of time then all that's telling you is that you're doing something wrong. Look back on everything you have done and find the mistakes you made along the way. Learn from those mistakes and build on it.

There is so many ways to make money online which makes it easy to get lost in all the information. Find on method that you know works such as affiliate marketing, product creation, offer a service, etc. and go from there. Don't give up on that method until you know for certain it's not getting you anywhere.

Giving up is never the solution.

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guide4everything

14 years ago

Hey,everyone is here after facing many problems.we all have many ups and downs.dont hesitate to try and try.take it as a challenge and then plan according to win it

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Rich Struck

14 years ago

Hmm... 2 years - $100 - Maybe it is time to move on. This just might not be for you, there is no shame in that. I've tried all kinds of things that I sucked at, you just need to find something that suits you better.

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Emily Meeks

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rich Struck

Hmm... 2 years - $100 - Maybe it is time to move on. This just might not be for you, there is no shame in that. I've tried all kinds of things that I sucked at, you just need to find something that suits you better.

I wouldn't say so necessarily, it's taken a few people here longer than that to be successful, and now they're onto six or seven figures a year.

Sirtom has a really valid post. It sounds easy in theory, but of course is much harder in practice. Hell, I myself have been guilty of overreaching, or setting too high expectations for myself.

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sirtom 14 years ago

@yommy: very true about thinking you're a failure. If you go into it with that mindset, it won't work no matter what you do.

@moneysoapbox (or Emily?)- haha i definitely thanked you for thanking me.. Just realized that.. But also very true about easy in theory, harder in practice. The bad thing is that it doesn't happen over night, despite us wanting it to.

Whenever you're dealing with any kind of reconditioning, especially about success and work ethics, it's generally a labor-intensive process where the only thing that makes it easier is consistent action.

But on the flip side, if you have that, then you're at least on the right track..

Throw in a game plan and top it with some hustle, then stick it in the oven and get cookin!

EDIT: haha, I just cracked myself up with that..
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Seattle Mike 14 years ago

Sir Tom made an excellent response.

You don't need to throw in the towel. You need to back away for a bit. Take a break from IM. You are burned out. It happens.

Part time this can take years so don't feel bad.

Sit back and look at what you have done so far. How much did you really put into each of the different things you tried? Probably not as much as you thought you were. Too spread out, scattered efforts? Think of all the things you learned though.

During your break, really look deeper into what others are doing. Research a site and see what they do, how they are marketing, where they get backlinks.

Find a good selling product in any niche and research the marketing they do. You know it works, now see how they are doing it.

It feels like you are wasting time when you are struggling to make your first money. But in reality you are learning the business.

When you are excited again. Come back and you have a fresh start. Most people fail to make it in any business. The ones who succeed are the rare ones. And even the ones who succeed probably failed many times. They just stuck with it.

tip1:

Put all your efforts into ONE niche, one way of marketing and see what happens with a true focused effort. You become a master of the niche and a master at that one way of marketing. You can branch out later after you succeed with this one.

When you focus all your work on one thing, you get a lot more accomplished quicker. And will see results - good or bad. You will see how much you are getting done and it will keep you motivated when you see your stats growing steadily.

tip2:

Track every single affiliate link separately so you know exactly which link sold that product. I can't tell you how many times I sold something and didn't know which link/page sold it. You need to track each one so you see what is working and not working.

tip3:

Keep a work journal. Write down why you are doing all this work. Write down what you did each day of work. Write down yesterdays stats and any incoming income/and expenses. Write down your to-do list and check them off. Write down your goals and keep them small in the beginning. Go back weekly and reread your journal to see what you got done and still need to do.

This really helps you keep focused and excited about your results and how much you are getting done.
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yommys01

14 years ago

One reason why you have failed is because you think you are a failure. I am a Nigerian ( know that if you don't know already ) who many things are up against him right from the first day.

I made just $100 in my first 1 year 3 months and was almost giving up. Just then I meet some warriors who helped me. I posted a thread here complaining ( like you ) and had many people come to my rescue.

I learnt site flipping I started making money but could not spend as there was no way I could withdraw money from my paypal. To make matter worst, paypal frooze my account ( they don't accept Nigerians due to what you know but you can use it by claiming another country ).

My bubble had already gone burst, they have finally found out that I was a Nigerian. I could not verify the account none proof the address. My money was lost, I was frustrated but was to ashame to give up.

What did I do?

I bought the following books :

failing forward - John Maxwell
Success is a journey - Brian Tracy
Tough times never last tough people do - Robert Schuller

I also read ( have them at home but never read them ) : It takes a minute to change your life and set back is a setup for a comeback - Willie Jolley.

This books helped me alot. I decided to set back in, created a new paypal account using India as my home country.

Started doing lots of article marketing ( Dean Shainin really helped me - buy it if you have the money ) it was then I started making money.

I now know my way through, I know what I can do to make money easily. I now know how to get most views to my articles. I now know how to convert my traffic.

Just in the last 2 months I have sold 3 sites for - $3,999, $1,299 and $899. Those are not big figures however, I would never have learnt all those if I had given up. I could have given up due to my paypal being blocked but never did. In fact, I no longer rely on paypal again.

You can contact me via email at admin @ soccerfanbase.com if you need further assistance - just prepare your mind not to give up and you will make it.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by yommys01

It takes a minute to change your life and set back is a setup for a comeback - Willie Jolley

That's a really good quote to remember and I also thank you for sharing your story. Previous statement reiterated to the OP - many people here have failed, then gotten back up and tried again till they succeeded. And then they KEEP trying, and they CONTINUE to build on their success.

I also think you'll appreciate this: http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...WSkdgO6334rUSg

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kristian Fang

Crowd mentality and altruistic tendencies will incline most people to offer you encouragement and perhaps even an answer or two.

In truth: internet marketing is not for you. I had no idea it was possible to make so little in two entire years. I'm sure your talents lie elsewhere. And, at the very least, you're tenacious!

Youch man..

Edison perfected the light bulb after attempting hundreds of different methods..
If he gave up after about a couple of hundred attempts and said "It's not for me", he couldn't have built it..

Just something to think about..crowd mentality, altruistic tendencies..whatever..

Point is don't give up..

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rapidscc 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kristian Fang

I'll respond to your juvenile ("youch...whatever") response, though it pains me to do so, because I fear I'll have to endure more of your drivel.

Ok..I got it..by the way, thanks for that pompous reply..

As for the 100$ in two years..I look at it differently..
I see it as an opportunity to think about what he did
that made him that $100, and maybe focus on it..

He's lucky he made $100, there was once a warrior here
who posted he didn't made a cent in 7 years, if I remember
it right.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kristian Fang

I'll respond to your juvenile ("youch...whatever") response, though it pains me to do so, because I fear I'll have to endure more of your drivel.

Telling this poor man not to give up is like kicking his genitalia. Some people are simply not cut out for IM. It may not sound like I'm being nice, it may not be politically correct, but it is, in fact, the only humane thing to tell him. Sure, he can read a how-to guide, he can be spoon fed by a "mentor", but if the man cannot make more then $100 in two years, he is simply, unarguably, not cut out for this profession. What happens when his working blueprint fails? Will he have the wherewithal to formulate a new plan? Doubtful. We're talking $100 in two years here!

This man's best hope is to find a new profession that suits his innate gifts. I'm not saying he's a failure or an idiot. I would be a lousy doctor or a marine or brain surgeon. I'm saying this: get out now, ignore the sheep who want to be pc and feel good about themselves, and get learning a profession or trade that suits the gifts God gave you.

It's this sort of don't-quit "drivel" that's provided YOU with the platform and technological advances to make such comments in the first place...

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Martin Avis 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kristian Fang

I'll respond to your juvenile ("youch...whatever") response, though it pains me to do so, because I fear I'll have to endure more of your drivel.

I'm not going to comment on anything else you've said because it is your opinion and you have a right to it.

But the above comment is not acceptable. I don't know where you've learned your forum etiquette, but please leave it at the door when you come in here.

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  Martin Avis 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kristian Fang
  
  Martin, if I'm called pompous, I'm obviously hardly likely to respond in a pleasant manner, am I? Would you?
  
  The pompous comment came AFTER your rude reponse, not before.
  
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  Rory Wilkinson 14 years ago
  
  Maybe you should... It will be a lot easier that way...
  
  OR you could just stick to one dam system. Work consistently for a few months (I.E. actually spending a couple hours per day doing real, productive work-not just sitting at your computer) and turn it all around.
  
  I guarantee that in the last 2 years you have not been doing that.
  
  Internet marketing is just like any business. It takes time to become successful. 2 years in terms of a business is not very long.
  
  In saying all this, internet marketing is not for everyone. Not everyone is cut out to work for themselves and run their own business. Perhaps getting a job and working for some one else your whole life is what your destined for.
  
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  clint48 14 years ago
  
  I can't tell you what to do, I don't know enough about you to make that decision, but I can tell you that there is a lot of writing involved in this business and if you have a problem with writing then you will probably have a hard time making money unless you have the money to hire someone to do the writing for you.
  
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Martin Avis 14 years ago

Giving up isn't the answer.

Quite obviously there is something about Internet marketing that you haven't 'got'. That's not particularly surprising - there is a lot about it that I still don't get, and I make my living doing this!

In order to be of help, we really need to know - in quite a lot of detail - exactly what you have been doing for two years. What have you tried, what problems did you encounter, what hurdles proved too insurmountable. Only then can we understand how to help.

You say you've 'tried' affiliate marketing and product creation. Please tell us what kind of affiliate marketing, how did you select products, what did you do to promote them, how did you drive traffic.

What products did you create? How did you try to sell them?

Internet marketing isn't that difficult. To have only made $100 in two years must have taken a great deal of effort - all focused in the wrong direction.

Or have you really just been dabbling around the edges and playing at it? Not treating it like a real business is probably the #1 cause of failure.

I don't agree with the people who are telling you to quit because to have failed so spectacularly at something as simple as making money online suggests that if you give up and move on to the next shiny thing, your chances of success there are just as slim. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it is the truth.

Instead, throw out all your preconceptions because they are quite obviously wrong. Start over and ask for real help to get you on the right path.

Success in Internet marketing does elude some people for a while. Those people tend to over think and over analyze, and hang on to faulty beliefs way past the time when it should be clear they need to just buckle down and do as they are told.

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Originally Posted by moneysoapbox

I also think you'll appreciate this: http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...WSkdgO6334rUSg

Along those lines, I watch this one pretty much every day:

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- Sissy76 14 years ago
  
  Hi there,
  
  I myself was in your situation not that long ago. You're young, you have a lot of interests competing for your time while you figure out what you want to do. (Many of us never figure that out, BTW!)
  
  You're going to travel down many different paths in life and the same is true in IM if you decide to stick with it.
  
  I suggest you go to the WSO section and pick yourself up a copy of Bryan Kumar's $10 to $20 000 report. Read it and then read it again. It's a simple and straightforward plan which will make you money if you stick with it.
  
  Once you start making money, you can decide if IM is the right thing for you. I don't know how much time you're going to have to dedicate to this, I don't know anything about you, however, if you can devote at least a few hours a day, every day, to Bryan's plan, for at least 2 months, you should see results. You'll then know if this is what you're interested in and want to spend time doing.
  
  I agree that you really need to sit down and focus on your goals and desires and write out EXACTLY what it is you want right now. Without focus and direction, you're only going to continue to flounder.
  
  Feel free to PM me if you need any encouragement or a sounding board. I've received loads of help here on the forum and am more than happy to help in any way I can.
  
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Ian Jackson 14 years ago

2 years... you've hardly got through the induction process my friend! You're still an apprentice

take heed of the good comments above, the only sure way to not make money is to quit. Google for, and get yourself a copy of Napoleon Hill's "Think & Grow Rich". Then read it all the way through

You're following such a well-trodden path, so keep going, keep learning, keep applying.

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discrat

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yommys01

One reason why you have failed is because you think you are a failure. I am a Nigerian ( know that if you don't know already ) who many things are up against him right from the first day.

I made just $100 in my first 1 year 3 months and was almost giving up. Just then I meet some warriors who helped me. I posted a thread here complaining ( like you ) and had many people come to my rescue.

I learnt site flipping I started making money but could not spend as there was no way I could withdraw money from my paypal. To make matter worst, paypal frooze my account ( they don't accept Nigerians due to what you know but you can use it by claiming another country ).

My bubble had already gone burst, they have finally found out that I was a Nigerian. I could not verify the account none proof the address. My money was lost, I was frustrated but was to ashame to give up.

What did I do?

I bought the following books :

failing forward - John Maxwell
Success is a journey - Brian Tracy
Tough times never last tough people do - Robert Schuller

I also read ( have them at home but never read them ) : It takes a minute to change your life and set back is a setup for a comeback - Willie Jolley.

This books helped me alot. I decided to set back in, created a new paypal account using India as my home country.

Started doing lots of article marketing ( Dean Shainin really helped me - buy it if you have the money ) it was then I started making money.

I now know my way through, I know what I can do to make money easily. I now know how to get most views to my articles. I now know how to convert my traffic.

Just in the last 2 months I have sold 3 sites for - $3,999, $1,299 and $899. Those are not big figures however, I would never have learnt all those if I had given up. I could have given up due to my paypal being blocked but never did. In fact, I no longer rely on paypal again.

You can contact me via email at admin @ soccerfanbase.com if you need further assistance - just prepare your mind not to give up and you will make it.

Yommy, Priceless stuff here ! You are an example of what being a Warrior is all about !!

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phil.wheatley

14 years ago

Stick with it man - When you first learn about Internet Marketing, you think "well, if it's that easy to make that amount of money, how come everybody isn't doing it?" ...well, I would say that many do try it, but the majority give up. Those that stick with it will make money. Mate, it was 3 years before I started making some money. I used to get depressed looking at EVEYBODY else who was making money and wondering why I wasn't? Well, I think it's already been mentioned above, but I think the answer really is in just sticking with one thing.

If you can see that other people are making money with that strategy, then it just means you aren't doing something quite right. Personally, as you've already mentioned you've created a product, I would concentrate on that, and doing what you can to get it converting, approach people with blogs to become an affiliate, JVs etc.

Hey, did you see the video of Will Smith?? I'll post it below. Credit to Frank Kern who posted it on his blog.

Talking of Frank, I think he said that the only thing you can guarantee in this business, is if you quit, then you'll definately won't make it!!!! But if you keep at it, then you will get there in the end. Mate, you're still bl**dy young, so you have all the time in the world.

Ok, here's that video, watch it over and over again!! (and remember you're not alone)

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14 years ago

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Andy Wood

14 years ago

Hey Kenny, making money online is easy - honestly. You just need to know how (this forum is great for that), create a plan and stick at it.

You can do it.

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mijagi

14 years ago

My advice to you Kenny5 is this: go out and find bussiness owners who need a website or online presence.

Help them built it and advise them with your knowledge through out the whole project. With just one minor project, involving a simple website, you will make a lot more than $100. : )

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Floyd Fisher

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kenny5

I've been internet marketing for over two years. I have made a total of about $100 in those two years. I've tried a lot of different things, not much has worked, and the few things that did work, didn't work well.

I'm in college now, and I am finally wondering if this is worth my time or whether it is time to give it up.

I don't know what to do anymore. I've tried affiliate marketing, creating products, and lots of other things.

What do I do? Does anyone know of some kind of action plan, or something I can do to finally turn this around? Or is it time to throw in the towel?

I don't want to give up, but I don't want to continue to waste my time and effort either.

I'd like to ask you a question.

In any of these ventures, have you actually tried building an opt in list?

If you haven't, that is probably your biggest mistake, and the one that is holding you back.

If you do plan to continue, aim your efforts at list building, and the money should follow.

I'm probably the world's worst marketer, and even I can't screw that up. That should tell you something.

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shmeeko69

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kenny5

I've been internet marketing for over two years. I have made a total of about $100 in those two years. I've tried a lot of different things, not much has worked, and the few things that did work, didn't work well.

I'm in college now, and I am finally wondering if this is worth my time or whether it is time to give it up.

I don't know what to do anymore. I've tried affiliate marketing, creating products, and lots of other things.

What do I do? Does anyone know of some kind of action plan, or something I can do to finally turn this around? Or is it time to throw in the towel?

I don't want to give up, but I don't want to continue to waste my time and effort either.

Hi Kenny

It doesn't sound like you have had much luck in your internet marketing journey.

You have probably spend alot of time pointing in the wrong direction &
have been misdirected, which can cause your head to drop & lose motivation for your business.

Your are definately in the right place for help & advice, as there are some
excellent business people on this forum.

It is important to be involved in a market you feel comfortable with & know a little about, develop a sound strategy to market the products, print of your blueprint & keep it refreshed, the main goal is to be on page 1 with google for your website, so make sure you choose your keywords wisely relating to your niche & have good articles & backlinks pointing to your keywords & website.

All the best & keep your chin up kenny.

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Liam Hamer 14 years ago

Hi Kenny, internet marketing can be incredibly rewarding, but at the other end of the scale it can also be incredibly frustrating.

I have been doing IM for around a year now, and made next to nothing in the first 6 or 7 months. It was when I admitted to myself that some of things I was doing just weren't working and I had to change my whole mindset that things started to improve. This was in no small part because of this place and the many great Warriors

Still though, up until December I still couldn't manage to make money online consistently. I'd make a Clickbank sale here and there, a CPA sale here and there, but it was never consistent. For 6 weeks from the end of October '09 to mid December '09 I didn't make a cent. Yep, not a cent. This led me to make this thread:-

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...me-advice.html

I got some great advice in that thread. I then set about working harder for a week or two after, but still no money was coming in. I also started a WSO project with a fellow Warrior, for release in the new year. Then I decided I'd take a couple of weeks off over Christmas, come up with a plan, then come back stronger in January. Ironically, during those weeks off, some sales finally started coming in.

I decided to start the new year with a challenge. I felt this would help me to focus, and that having a set goal would be a great motivator. It's in my signature if you'd like to have a look. I post a new blog entry there every night, documenting what I did that day. Although I might fall short of the actual target, for the first time I'm making money online pretty consistently. We're only talking a little over a couple of hundred dollars in just over 2 weeks, but I'm really happy with that because it really shows I've been making progress. Added to those sales I made in the latter part of December, I've made in total around $300 in the last month. For a lot of people, that's nothing - but for now I'm really pleased with it

I feel I have turned the corner, and the penny is finally dropping for me. This can happen for you too, but you have to get real first. Take a detailed look at what you're doing, and honestly ask yourself why it hasn't been working. Forget about your pride. The things that did work a little - why did they work a little? Could you scale those things up?

Write everything down.

How much you want to make.
What you need to do to get there.
What you do each day.

You are actually in a better position than you think. Yes, you're disappointed. Yes, you feel like giving up. Think of it like this though - by finding out what doesn't work, you can eliminate or tweak those things to get better results. Use your current state of mind as a big motivational tool. Let's face it, you feel like s**t right now. Imagine how GOOD you'll feel when you finally are making some good money. I believe you can. I believe anyone can if they do the right things.

Dust yourself off, ignore the naysayers and promise yourself you're going to make this thing work - because YOU CAN You're in the best place too - spending a little time each day observing and reading here is only going to help you.

Finally, I'm going to recommend a no BS ebook, that is completely free and written by Warrior legend Paul Myers. During my not so good time a few weeks ago, I read this and some of the stuff in there will always be a part of my mindset. It's called Need To Know. Trust me when I tell you that you NEED to read it.

www.talkbiz.com

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Steve Peters Benn

14 years ago

I've tried a lot of different things, not much has worked, and the few things that did work, didn't work well.

There is your first problem. Pick just one area, have faith and keep going at it until you make a success of it. It is that simple.

No changing to different opportunities. No giving up or whining.

Just keep going at it until you succeed.

Right now, although you might not want to hear it - your attitude is a huge problem. You aren't alone - but consider this - are you so special that you can fail at what others can succeed at?

Or - are you simply not focussing or committing enough. If you can make $100 - why couldn't you improve the process, improve the conversions and scale.

I understand that a lot of people get frustrated - but despite what a lot of new warriors want to think - their problems, approaches and frustrations are often not unique. You have actually made money, something that many people on here won't have done.

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Rob6227 14 years ago

Hi Kenny, well you've got a ton of advice here so I'm not going to harp on too long here. Just to say I'm in the same boat as you I've been struggling with this stuff for a lot longer than two years(I'm embarrassed to say how long) and made Zilch. So your far from being alone.
Until recently I found the only real way to make this work is to get a mentor(I recommend someone like Alex Jeffereys or Dean Holland, google them) & get a blog going detailing your IM journey struggles & any successes. Even it's just a poor effort like mine at rob-day.com , just get something going. The idea is not to chase the money, let the money flow to you through relationship/social network building, with the aim of starting to get a list built.
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Jvsnow01

14 years ago

Hi there Kenny5,

It's obvious that you need help, hence your posting.
There's been some valuable feedback stated in the replies.

I would urge you to stick with it and follow the constructive advice offered to you.

After reading all of the comments, have you made up your mind yet about what you intend to do?

Jvsnow01.

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Scott Ames

14 years ago

Read this thread:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...t-give-up.html

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lisag

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kenny5

I've been internet marketing for over two years. I have made a total of about $100 in those two years. I've tried a lot of different things, not much has worked, and the few things that did work, didn't work well.

I'm in college now, and I am finally wondering if this is worth my time or whether it is time to give it up.

I don't know what to do anymore. I've tried affiliate marketing, creating products, and lots of other things.

What do I do? Does anyone know of some kind of action plan, or something I can do to finally turn this around? Or is it time to throw in the towel?

I don't want to give up, but I don't want to continue to waste my time and effort either.

Seems I have been sharing these quotes from Thomas Edison these days:

Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.

Results! Why, man, I have gotten a lot of results. I know several thousand things that won't work.

I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.

If I find 10,000 ways something won't work, I haven't failed. I am not discouraged, because every wrong attempt discarded is another step forward.

Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.

I hope these inspire you to hang in there and keep tweaking what you're doing until it works.

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tritrain

14 years ago

Seriously, join Squidoo and/or Hubpages. Every active member makes money. Take part in the SquidU, join the Squidoo or Hubpages Ning groups.

Just on Squidoo alone (not including affiliate commissions) I've made $1500.

It takes a couple months to get things rolling, but it's not hard. There's even Mentors to help you. I have a mentor lens too.

Seriously, don't give up!

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Rod Cortez

14 years ago

This thread will give you a different perspective and also give you some insight on what you're probably doing wrong:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...d-i-didnt.html

RoD

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workfromhomejobs 14 years ago

Take a break for a while. Maybe you just too overwhelmed with info and led you to so many path to take. Whoever says making money online is easy they lie. You need 'assets' to earn real money and there are different type of assets. Experience is an asset too. And you already have 2 years in your hands. So that is a good sign unless you quit.

Anyhow taking a break doesn't mean you quit. It just a way of freshen things up and looks at things in a different ways. So that I would do. Give myself a break.
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Marcel Pamphile

14 years ago

Are you trapped in the sandbox ? Why Are You Trapped in the Sandbox?

Also now is the best time to stick to the few things that actually work
Maybe article marketing + list building + product selling.

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James12C

14 years ago

I was just going to say - take a break.... Stand back.... Move away from making money.... ask yourself, "How can I add value?" Just let it ripple around..... Take a look at Chris Farrell's membership site....

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steve-wilkins

14 years ago

I know how you feel friend I was in the exact same position a couple of years ago, I actually spent over £13,000 before I made any real money online. My advice would be to find a mentor someone who can teach and show you the exact principles for making money online.

I did exactly that and am now making a very good living online.
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Steve Powers

14 years ago

Hey,come on and do not lose heart.Maybe your problem is that you never had a clear plan on what you want to do.I think you'd better design it for yourself.With a good and achievable plan,you will have the power to fight for it.And now you're still a student,so I think you have a lot of time to think about your future.

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Frustration very easily overcomes us at times!

When you're at that point of being overwhelmed and discouraged, go ahead and throw in the towel, do some internal searching and backtracking, brainstorming, and developing a positive attitude or out look...then simply pick the towel back up!

Move onward and upward!

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dkj125

14 years ago

You obviously enjoy the thrill of Internet Marketing enough to be at it for two years and generating only $100. It's in your blood now. As much as you say you may quit you will always have ideas in the back of your mind as to what could work or what could be the next money making idea and you will probably head back and try them out. Never give up. One day you will stumble across a key ingredient that starts making you money and then you will be well on your way to continued success. If you give up after all this time I'm sure you'll regret it. Just think of everything you've learned about this industry in the past two years. Don't let that knowledge go to waste. Apply it and do something great with it! Good Luck!

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makingiants

14 years ago

Don't give up until you give this forum the
opportunity to change you!

I wish you much success, Kenny5.

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Chris Stigson

14 years ago

Hey think about is ans an "education", but it's a lot cheaper. You can learn all you need to make $100,000 a year for like $500 or so... And you can learn it in a few months, not 4-5 years and have a "roof" on the amount of money you can make, as well as not having to "climb the corporate ladder" in order to make a decent income...

stick with you method, make it work, sell that method = success in this biz. Start outside IM before you try to "teach IM", people catch on that you know ****

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oneplusone

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kenny5

I've been internet marketing for over two years. I have made a total of about $100 in those two years. I've tried a lot of different things, not much has worked, and the few things that did work, didn't work well.

I'm in college now, and I am finally wondering if this is worth my time or whether it is time to give it up.

I don't know what to do anymore. I've tried affiliate marketing, creating products, and lots of other things.

What do I do? Does anyone know of some kind of action plan, or something I can do to finally turn this around? Or is it time to throw in the towel?

I don't want to give up, but I don't want to continue to waste my time and effort either.

If you want to make money online you need to MASTER something.

You say you've tried a lot of things, but what have you mastered?

Nothing it seems.

Decide which route you want to go down, Article Marketing, Affiliate Marketing, SEO, List Building, Joint Ventures, PPC, CPA, Membership Sites etc - which one are you going to master?

If you just dabble consistently in everything, you end up becoming jack of trades, master of none.

If you MASTER any area of marketing it becomes very easy to make money.

The same goes for niches/markets, don't dabble - MASTER a market and find out what people want in that market.

Only when you have mastered one thing, then move onto another.

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Katie Rich

14 years ago

Are you really wasting your time?

I felt just like you do a short while ago. I moaned about the fact that after 4 years I hadn't managed to 'get it'. Then I stopped and thought about what I had achieved.

I was totally computer illiterate 4 years ago. Now I realise just how many skills I have developed whilst trying my hand at making an online income. Maybe I haven't managed to be the best sales person, but I do know how to blog, FTP, create, PDF and multiple other useful skills.

Do what I did, take a break from niches and sell yourself. Not underneath a lampost on a dark street corner

but here. Make your own website, sell your skills, and whilst doing so, concentrate on teaching yourself the bits that you 'didn't get'.

Consider how much you have learned, I think you will find that your time has not been 'wasted' at all!!

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Dillinger411 14 years ago

Bill Gates failed in over 150 business venture before founding Microsoft. People like him and Steve Jobs plugged away for countless hours in their basement/garage or makeshift office and they all share this one single characteristic --

They never stopped getting back up for the next round.

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johnben1444

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kenny5

I've been internet marketing for over two years. I have made a total of about $100 in those two years. I've tried a lot of different things, not much has worked, and the few things that did work, didn't work well.

I'm in college now, and I am finally wondering if this is worth my time or whether it is time to give it up.

I don't know what to do anymore. I've tried affiliate marketing, creating products, and lots of other things.

What do I do? Does anyone know of some kind of action plan, or something I can do to finally turn this around? Or is it time to throw in the towel?

I don't want to give up, but I don't want to continue to waste my time and effort either.

So many replies already and am sure one of your biggest problem now is which of the advice to follow.

Am an affiliate marketer and i will only talk from the perspective of affiliate marketing.

This kind of business is highly lucrative but needs skills. Making money from this kind of business has nothing to do with the number of years you have spent doing it but rather the number of times you have spent doing it correctly.

Your first stop in this kind of biz is to get a site and feature some product.

The most challenging part of affiliate marketing is how to market your business. And this is some thing that requires time to build momentum (traffic).

Few months ago i was in your shoes, i was able to identify i wasn't getting up to 5 unique visitors a day.

When the average sales statistic reveals that you need 100 unique visitors to make a sale.

To cut long story short, after building your site and picking the right product focus on finding ways to build traffic to your site.

Below are some of the ways you can use to drive traffic to your site.

Article marketing
Forums
Blogging
Social networking
SEO
PPC

And many more.

As a newbie you might think there is a secret to making money online but i tell you, there is no secret. Simply do what the successful are doing and soon you will start seeing results.

Just stay put and focus.

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Mega B

14 years ago

It was over a year before i started making any money from the internet and the amount of money i wasted on buying rubbish sites from other people was amazing,they had been making alot of money from the net at the expense of people like me.But i stuck at it and yes i was down and i was going to pack it in many times but i came through and i am really enjoying it all and making decent money at last but dont give in if you change a few things around and try something differant it will come good in the end.Good luck

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petelta

14 years ago

before you quit have you done everything possible to make money and drive traffic to your niche?

SEO
proper article marketing (more than a couple articles)
backlinking for at least 3 months
video marketing
podcasting
niche forum posting (for a couple weeks at least)
blog commenting
built a autoresponder series
PPC
JV's
the list goes on...

If you haven't done all of the above for at least 3-6 months then why are you quitting? This is a business. You need to plan to have to do all of the above for a good period of time before you have a good business going. Hopefully the money will start rolling in before doing all those but you shouldn't expect it to.

Don't quit...learn!

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Lisa Marie Williams

14 years ago

Hi Kenny,

Why not stop focusing on marketing other people products. What do you like to do? Markting and Selling and being involved with things that you are passionate about and that you know about are best. Most people get into businesses and they try re-inventing the wheel.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions or I can help you along.

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Rezbi

14 years ago

Maybe this will help:

I've been trying since 2005. I started in IM and lost around $30,000 (a lot of it to scam artists).

But I learned from my mistakes, and I kept trying.

I got prett okay at copywriting to the point where people were chasing me to write copy for them - at $15,000 a pop.

Then I lost some more money, to more scam artists (guess I didn't learn as well as I thought).

I lost my confidence completely, to the point where I turned down copywriting jobs because I felt I couldn't deliver.

Then, not too long ago, I decided it was time to do something about it.

I stopped chasing one thing after another and made a plan for myself to do certain things each and every day.

I did exactly what I planned and, thank God, I started getting at copywriting again.

To the point where I'm now doing what looks like being regular work for someone on this very forum (I'd say who but I'm not sure he'd want me to - I'll wait till he say it's okay).

That's five years, but I refused to give up.

However, there's still a point where you've got to cut your losses. That point is where you realise you're just going to get deeper and deeper into debt.

If you're not getting into debt then I suggest getting a job and only doing this part time until you start making some decent income.

Till then, just assume you're not a marketer.

Oh, another thing, learn some marketing. I mean proper direct marketing.

Internet marketing is just one avenue of marketing. It's not the only one.

Check out my blog (link below) and read some of my posts starting from a while back, and you might get some tips about how I got over my dry spell.

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Marketstriker

14 years ago

After all this post you just can't give up with IM, man. Just relax a bit from it. I think here you can find really successful people, who you can follow. If you're not successful by nature, for sure you'll become successful following real leader and successor.

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