Why Bum Marketing Makes No Sense To Me

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A friend of mine referred me to the Bum Marketing Method. I signed up and began drinking the information up. It was great....

Except for one thing.

Travis doesn't give a lot of information on article SEO and just tells people to go after the untapped market.

The problem is, no matter what I search, I don't get the kind of results he recommends- everything is way competitive!

Does anyone have any insight on this?
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  • Profile picture of the author ExpertWriter
    I believe, no matter where you start, it's never going to be an 'overnight' thing. meaning, his method is very good, it just takes some time to get to where you want to be. I like his way. I began, following his steps just 2 weeks ago. I'm waiting for results, but you do not have to close the door on other methods, if one is not working. Keep doing some research, and use all the information together. Look around here, you will see so many wonderful people that will share their stories with you, and help you a lot. Best of luck to you

    -Cindy
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  • Profile picture of the author alamest
    It is not so possible that he will come to your house and teach you like a school teacher but he told you the way and than you need to research, learn and than apply.

    The thing is that Bum marketing is not so new for recent marketing tactics because the whole internet marketing is control by Google so you need to follow Google and be updated with yourself what does Google changes.

    Because you need to be updated with Google, if Google changing something will be good or something with be bad.

    I hope this advice might help you out..

    Thanks
    Alam
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  • Profile picture of the author Shane N
    I recently got an article of mine to the TOP of Google for a VERY highly competitive keyword phrase, without doing anything other than keyword optimizing it (to the best of my ability) and submitting the URL of the article itself to Google manually.

    So even with tons of competition, you can rise to the top with fresh, unique, original and keyword optimized content!

    Best,
    Shane
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    • Originally Posted by Shane Natan View Post

      I recently got an article of mine to the TOP of Google for a VERY highly competitive keyword phrase, without doing anything other than keyword optimizing it (to the best of my ability) and submitting the URL of the article itself to Google manually.

      So even with tons of competition, you can rise to the top with fresh, unique, original and keyword optimized content!

      Best,
      Shane
      Thanks for the helpful reply.

      Does this happen often? I mean, if I were to just keyword optimize my articles and make sure they are good quality, will they automatically go up in rankings without needing anything else?
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      • Profile picture of the author Cornerstone
        While there are these golden nuggets to write articles arround It's still necessary to put out allot of articles to account for the dud's

        This is true for any ppc, cpa campaign or any method. Even the top notch money making guys and gals have a certain percentage of failure before finding the 1 thing that works

        When they do, they have the other skills to scale up that one campaign to take it to the next lever of profit
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      • Profile picture of the author richdirtygirl
        Originally Posted by raypillarginplunder View Post

        Thanks for the helpful reply.

        Does this happen often? I mean, if I were to just keyword optimize my articles and make sure they are good quality, will they automatically go up in rankings without needing anything else?
        article marketing is ONE organic traffic line among 12 or so. Yes, it does happen often as many article directories are seen as authority by google.

        it is just that: you choose an authority site that allows you to have your content, and then increase the popularity.

        Often times it will work.

        when can you be "sure" it will work? a competition analysis will tell you so.

        if for example, you have another article in first page, chances are you will be able to rank if you have more popularity than the other one.

        Makes sense?

        Laura
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    • Profile picture of the author FredFarnes
      Internet marketing is competitive, there is a steep learning curve, and it's a lot of work. Anyone who says otherwise is trying to sell you something.
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      So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

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      • No doubt it's highly competitive. My trouble is that I don't really know how to overcome the competition.

        Travis' advice is to just do keyword-SEO and sit back. I wanna know if there is more that can be done because my gut feeling is that with the abundance of keyword-SEO'd articles out there, mine will be sitting on page 16.
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      I hate to give away the keys to the kingdom but... check out some of Alexa's posts. She has a pretty good formula for what she promotes and it's not what all the gurus will tell you. She sort of "heads the other way" but her stuff makes sense.

      And it's always better to do something than to not try just because you think that stuff is too competitive. Be persistent...
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  • Profile picture of the author Slin
    The requirements he puts are pretty heavy, I generally go for a bit more competitive keywords.

    Also, still write the articles, you'll be surprised how well they do, even without the best research.

    Try going for keywords that get barely return any hits in google, people will still be searching for those keywords and you will get them.

    Keep writing, you'll see results.
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  • Profile picture of the author reapr
    Originally Posted by raypillarginplunder View Post

    A friend of mine referred me to the Bum Marketing Method. I signed up and began drinking the information up. It was great....

    Except for one thing.

    Travis doesn't give a lot of information on article SEO and just tells people to go after the untapped market.

    The problem is, no matter what I search, I don't get the kind of results he recommends- everything is way competitive!

    Does anyone have any insight on this?
    Inaction even complicates your delema more.

    If hard work, creative thinking and research to find markets or niches that are not really that competitive even though they look that way on the surface you have a few choices or a few ways to overcome it.

    Take Action
    Ask Lots of Questions
    Work at your local fast food joint flippin' burgers and don't look back.

    There is still plenty of room for bum marketing. Yes it is more competitive now then say a few years ago. Once you get started ... that is actually creating articles and linking back to your web 2.0 properties and websites and make your first sale you will likely be hooked. The key ingredients proper mindset, you and action.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dean Shainin
      Bum Marketing Defined

      Here is how it works, in a very simplified way:

      If you are on a shoe string budget you can start creating a steady and regular flow of money so you can learn more about affiliate marketing, and while doing so you can consider and research other aspects of marketing.

      How you can do that is using Travis Sago's Bum Marketing Method.

      1.You write an article on a topic that has a lot of potential in a niche market once you've identified your niche and keywords using the right tools. What you want is that article listed in Google Top 10 organic search results and or with other popular search engines.

      2.Wait for a buyer to read your article, and hopefully you had the sense to place a link (embedded affiliate link if allowed or a link to your own landing page) into your article bio, so the reader clicks through.

      3.You make money. Some describe it in terms of article marketing, because it works in much the same way. You write articles, embed your affiliate links in them and wait for things to happen. For Bum Marketing to work however, you have to follow some important principles that Travis Sago teaches within his free course.

      I simply took bum marketing to the extreme and expounded upon the bum marketing method for my own products and services because I like 100% profit and full control of my customers while building my own lists.

      Without taking action and asking lots of questions as already mentioned in an earlier post, you can rest assured nothing will happen.

      Cheers,
      Dean
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  • Profile picture of the author tools951
    Hey, you must be frustrated with not discovering your niche. One way to find a niche is looking up auction sites like ebay and amazon and see the most common items people are buying.

    A niche a problem a large group of people that have not discovered a solution to their problems.

    Look up the term on wikipedia.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Huge difference between bum marketing and true article marketing.. Nothing wrong with high competition either, I target high competition and not low competition... Course I do not sell any junk affiliate products either...

    As to the comment about google

    the whole internet marketing is control by Google so you need to follow Google and be updated with yourself what does Google changes.
    You have no idea how wrong this statement really is .. Goggle controls nothing, marketers think they do because that is what google wants you to think... It's called google maketing and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker...

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyB
    If you are on Travis's list for Bum Marketing, he just sent out an email with 20,000 keywords to get you started. I just skimmed over the list and you could easily pull one or two keywords and get your first bum marketing project up and running quite quickly. If you are on his list, I would check out the list for your keywords if you are that stuck on low competition keywords.
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    • Thanks for all the responses, folks. Lemme get to work and try and sort something out.

      Kudos for the encouragement.
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  • Profile picture of the author Travis72802
    Originally Posted by raypillarginplunder View Post

    A friend of mine referred me to the Bum Marketing Method. I signed up and began drinking the information up. It was great....

    Except for one thing.

    Travis doesn't give a lot of information on article SEO and just tells people to go after the untapped market.

    The problem is, no matter what I search, I don't get the kind of results he recommends- everything is way competitive!

    Does anyone have any insight on this?
    Don't feel bad.

    I don't make sense to myself sometimes:-)

    Here's the thing that I realize when working
    with folks getting started.

    People forget to think like people.

    We start looking at all these keyword tools...and lsi...and
    kei...and allinurl...etc...etc...

    and forget there are people BEHIND these searches.

    I do it too.

    I'm guilty.

    When you start to think like a person with a problem
    or a dream...and thinking about what they would type in...

    The opportunities start presenting themselves.

    Here's an example...

    and I love to use 'weight loss' because you always
    hear it's too crowded...or saturated...etc.

    It's not for a 'bum' that knows how to get in
    the head of his market though:-)

    Okay...

    So it's the New Year...and I am seeing all these
    TV ads for various diet programs...

    One of them NutriSystem...

    I'm wondering...

    Example one: Does NutriSystem Really Work?

    Keyword Questions – Keyword Research Tool

    I don't have much weight to lose...but I gain weight in my face first...and I've got a class reunion coming up...

    How to get rid of a double chin fast?

    (I just notic one saavy bum that has over 36,000 article views
    on this topic from ONE article.)

    Then I wonder?

    I keep failing because I eat when I am stressed out?

    "Am I an emotional eater?"

    "What are the signs of emotional eating?"

    Do you see what I am doing here?

    (by the way...all of those phrases are purty darn easy
    Bum Marketing targets)

    Many times...

    I find it helpful...maybe you will too...

    Is to follow the 'conversations' people are having.

    Forums are a GREAT PLACE...especially if they have an FAQ
    section.

    The largest Message Boards and Forums on the web!

    I also like Wordtracker questions (but don't get sucked into the tool)

    Keyword Questions – Keyword Research Tool

    Yahoo answers has given me a few insights into
    the minds of many crowds.

    Yahoo! Answers - Home

    And if you really want to get into the minds
    of your crowd...set up some Google Alerts and
    follow the blogs...news...and conversations going on
    about your topic.

    Hope this helps!

    There's a never ending supply of dreams, hopes, wants, desires
    and problems to help people overcome or achieve.

    You CAN do it:-)

    Travis
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    • Profile picture of the author cowrob
      Originally Posted by Travis72802 View Post

      Don't feel bad.

      We start looking at all these keyword tools...and lsi...and
      kei...and allinurl...etc...etc...

      and forget there are people BEHIND these searches.

      When you start to think like a person with a problem
      or a dream...and thinking about what they would type in...

      The opportunities start presenting themselves.

      Travis that was freaking awesome. Great insight. Thanks so much!

      Rob
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      • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        Actually no, not all of us do ...
        Honestly, I do it most of the time but not all of the time..There are occasions
        where I'd write based on inspiration..During those times, no amount of keyword research can improve what I have to write and I won't care
        about targeting any keywords..it comes from the heart..so the heck with it

        Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

        Keyword Research with tools sucks!!!...

        There.. I said it.
        Jay I understand where you're coming from..but there's a place for everything.
        We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water now don't we?

        Honestly, I myself found out a problem with data from keyword tools, especially if they depend on G's Api's -- the data, tested by some
        blogger were found to be inaccurate compared with actual search..
        so it means that if some keyword tool developers used the figure
        from there, they could be presenting some erroneous info.

        I myself checked it from actual search and found a discrepancy..

        Still it has it's place..we shouldn't be too dependent on it and
        yeah we should always use our grey matter but it won't hurt to
        use tools. We've been doing that since the beginning of time..

        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        I can't begin to tell you how happy I am to find you saying that. Sometimes the thanks button is just not enough.
        Try asking admin if the "buy me a beer" button can be reinstalled..maybe that
        would help solve it
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  • Profile picture of the author filiks
    how come i dont get your drift travis.

    i personally know that bum marketing is hard work but it works eventually if you persist with the dream!
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    • Profile picture of the author Travis72802
      Originally Posted by filiks View Post

      how come i dont get your drift travis.

      i personally know that bum marketing is hard work but it works eventually if you persist with the dream!
      I must really suck today. Sorry.

      Maybe I'll try again tomorrow.

      Thanks for being patient.

      Travis
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        I'm so glad Travis poked his nose into this thread. By the way, he is one of
        my favorite marketers.

        The problem with Bum Marketing is not in the process...it's in the people
        using it. And Travis pretty much explained this better than I ever could in
        his response.

        Too many marketers don't know how to think. They expect a system,
        whatever that system is, to do it all for them. In other words, push a
        button, and it works by itself.

        The true key to Bum Marketing is learning to think like a prospect, or as
        Travis put it, like a person.

        Get your heads out of marketing mode and think about what you look
        up when you have a problem. Naturally, this becomes easier to do when
        it's a topic you are emotionally invested in.

        For example, if you're a teenager and you wake up the morning of your
        senior prom with a zit, you're going to go into a panic. What will you do?
        How will you get rid of this thing? Well, in today's age, you go to a search
        engine and start scrambling for answers.

        What do you think that kid is going to type in?

        "how to get rid of pimples in a day"

        Or something like that. Think of all the things that kid might type to find
        a solution to his problem.

        Now, if it's a topic you really have no knowledge of, you're not going to
        understand how your target market thinks. So you won't know what
        phrases to search for.

        This is why I honestly believe that if you want to be a successful Bum
        Marketer, BEFORE you pick your niche, you need to get some kind of a feel
        for it. You need to at least try to empathize with these people. If you
        can't get into their heads then you can't find keywords that are going
        to strike a chord with them other than the common "used to death ones"
        that aren't going to give you that edge.

        I am heavily into songwriting. Been into it for over 25 years. I know what
        people looking to learn how to write songs are searching for...I mean
        every little thing.

        Do you? Not unless you live and breathe the niche.

        So what would happen if you tried to tackle it as a Bum Marketer?

        You'd probably come up with the same tired phrases as everybody else
        like...

        "how to write songs"
        "how to write a song"
        "how to write lyrics"
        "how to write melodies"

        You won't think of things like...

        "how to write a killer hook"

        Somebody IN the business who knows what makes a song sell, KNOWS
        that the hook is the most important part and KNOWS that you need a
        KILLER hook to sell your song.

        Want to laugh?

        If you look up that keyword phrase, you'll find that the # 1 result is
        from a thread at this forum.

        That's how few people target it.

        And that's just one of boat load of phrases that, if you put them
        together, could easily take you to the top of page 1 for songwriting
        tips seekers.

        These phrases exist in every niche.

        The key is to truly understand what the people in that niche are looking
        for. THAT is what many Bum Marketers DON'T do and THAT is why they
        get poor results.
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    • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
      Use long tail keywords in your articles to avoid competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
    Travis doesn't give a lot of information on article SEO and just tells people to go after the untapped market.
    Funny thing with untapped market is, sometimes you don't have to
    do much article SEO, sometimes all it takes is one article in
    EZA or some other places that I think you already have an
    idea on , some bookmarks in places like Digg, etc. and it's a done deal.

    Just try to look for untapped keywords..there are tools to help
    you do this if you're getting a hard time finding it manually..

    Still the method is effective..We all start by checking keywords
    most of the time right? I know I do..
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by rapidscc View Post

      We all start by checking keywords
      most of the time right? I know I do..
      Actually no, not all of us do ... I know at least 12 people on this forum including myself that does not bother with keyword research. Now with that said though I have spent over half my life online and these others I know have been around for years also..

      Plus many of us push our own products and not affiliate products. I push, build, and market products that I have a vast knowledge on and as such keyword research is not needed. I have no problem getting top listings and traffic.

      With that said though I do suggest any newbies do their proper research.

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Keyword Research with tools sucks!!!...

    There.. I said it.

    If there is one single bit of info that you will ever need to get you head around, it is this:

    The single best keyword finding tool you will ever use is:

    Your Brain

    Only your brain can help you think like a consumer

    Only your brain can help you get right into the mindset of the consumer

    And only you brain can help you to associate with the thoughts, feelings and desires of the consumer.

    Do yourself a favour. Use the grey matter between your ears for keywords, it's your most valuable asset.

    Peace

    Jay

    p.s. Having said that... I am NOT saying you will never use a keyword tool, but don't put too much weight on them... your own stats will tell you if a keyword is a winner in the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
    Bum Marketing in a Nutshell:
    Step 1.Find a Niche or High Gravity Offer on Clickbank or some other affiliate.

    Step 2.Find some Keywords via Google Keyword Tool around that offer or niche. Usually around 50,000 searches a month or less. Use How to or wanting to buy in with the keywords. Put yourself in a situation if you were in desperate need to solve a problem and needed it fixed fast. What would you type in Google either to solve the problem or buy a item.

    Step 3.Setup a buy page/Domain that has you affiliate links for that offer.

    Step 4. Write articles around the keywords you find in Step 2 that are less competitive. Use them in the title of the article and through out the article itself writing it with solid information but leaving it kind of open ended to entice the reader to click on your Buy page link in the Resource box.

    Step 5. Keep writing and producing more articles around the other keywords as well. The more articles the more traffic you get to your buy page from it ranking well on Google for the target keywords you find worthy to compete for.

    (Philosophy behind Article Marketing/Bum Marketing, and the reason it may not make sense it the Search Engine Optimization Leverage it provides. Google likes authority,meaning it likes well known sites and relevance to the information being searched.)

    The leverage for your less competitive keywords being displayed on sites that Google deems authoritative is powerful due to factoring things like backlinks to the article directory site EXA:Ezinearticles and if it is listed in DMOZ or Yahoo directories,SEO compliance and Domain age.

    All of this would normally take time if you were trying to rank for those keywords with a brand new site especially if you didn't know much on how to set the site up or optimize it for traffic ect ect.

    By the time you set all of this up, someone is already making money on your keyword possibly.

    It's whole purpose is that anyone who can read or write and use a computer could actually go into a local library if they were homeless and start making money online.

    Hope this helps you understand if the time I post this the question has not already been answered. OR maybe help someone else. =)
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Originally Posted by raypillarginplunder View Post

    A friend of mine referred me to the Bum Marketing Method. I signed up and began drinking the information up. It was great....

    Except for one thing.

    Travis doesn't give a lot of information on article SEO and just tells people to go after the untapped market.

    The problem is, no matter what I search, I don't get the kind of results he recommends- everything is way competitive!

    Does anyone have any insight on this?
    What is the problem you are having with bum marketing?

    Maybe you want to read Use a Keyword Search Tool | www.1UP-SEO.com

    For bum/article marketing, really almost the same principles apply as for ranking a website, you do the same keyword research, try to optimize titles, text, call to action etc..etc..

    It doesnt really matter whether you do keyword research and SEO a web site or an article because its so closely related.

    I don't know what "course" you are referring to, but then i don't want to blame the author for not revealing "the best niches" or how exactly and with what products to make money, be it bum marketing or putting your own site up.

    Travis doesn't give a lot of information on article SEO and just tells people to go after the untapped market.
    Its as simple as getting Market Samurai or Micro Niche Finder and then go hunting. You want high search volume and low competition. You find a keyword and then start typing away

    But its relatively easy once you have the knowledge and tools, you simply do the research on your own and then try a few niches and see for yourself what goes well and what doesn't.
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