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Are you Prejudice towards 'Non war room' members?

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are any of you war room members slightly prejudice towards us Non war room warriors? in the sense that you choose not to give as much help to us, compared to how much you would to a war room member?

(i am on about when both War room members + Non war room members both post on the normal Free forum- No war room posting)

Your mentality might be, they are not on my league, they are not on my level, so i wont help them, or will ignore some of their threads, etc

I don't mean racist, sexist, or regionalist, i mean prejudice against the fact that they are just basic members, and not war room members

I know people will rarely admit that they are slightly prejudice, but lets see what people think, and what their views are....
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    I'm not racist.

    Usually help anyone who is posting in a familiar topic that I know.
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    • Profile picture of the author entry
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      I'm not racist.

      Usually help anyone who is posting in a familiar topic that I know.
      lol

      I don't mean racist, sexist, or regionalist, i mean prejudice against the fact that they are just basic members, and not war room members, and not give as much help to them as you would to a war room member.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Not at all. I'm equally obnoxius to both.

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  • Profile picture of the author Oxbloom
    It had never occurred to me until just now that you could tell the difference. I'm usually focused on the message instead of the messenger.

    If I discover it does color my opinions now that I'm aware of it, I'll post back and let you know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
    Honestly, yeah. It's not as important a factor as post count and date of registration. All 3 are a factor when I consider the OP and whether I'll respond or not.

    But as someone who has been a frequenter of the WF for a long time under multiple names (though not simultaneously) I've actually bought multiple logins to the the War Room. I do this because I feel like it adds a certain credibility.

    And I don't mean an artificial one - I mean it in the same way that Google really likes noticing a business's paid inclusion in Yahoo's directory. A publicly proven and paid willingness to access and be a part of an elite within this community is valuable.

    The reason I think it's worht buying is because as a user, I use it as a metric to measure a poster. Anyone with enough time can generate a high post count and an old join date. But to be a WR member, you need to have at least put your money where your mouth is.

    And if I'm being honest, a lot of the repetitive questions that newbies ask are answered in spades in the war room.

    Also, I've actually bee in IM long enough that I remember when the WF itself was a paid membership. And I wasn't ever a paid member then, but it's kind of got this old-school respect thing for me that I think a lot of people at my level have.

    IMHO, the War Room Membership is one of the FIRST things any serious IMer should buy. Note, I said SERIOUS.
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    • Profile picture of the author entry
      Originally Posted by Colin Theriot View Post

      Honestly, yeah. It's not as important a factor as post count and date of registration. All 3 are a factor when I consider the OP and whether I'll respond or not.

      But as someone who has been a frequenter of the WF for a long time under multiple names (though not simultaneously) I've actually bought multiple logins to the the War Room. I do this because I feel like it adds a certain credibility.

      And I don't mean an artificial one - I mean it in the same way that Google really likes noticing a business's paid inclusion in Yahoo's directory. A publicly proven and paid willingness to access and be a part of an elite within this community is valuable.

      The reason I think it's worht buying is because as a user, I use it as a metric to measure a poster. Anyone with enough time can generate a high post count and an old join date. But to be a WR member, you need to have at least put your money where your mouth is.

      And if I'm being honest, a lot of the repetitive questions that newbies ask are answered in spades in the war room.

      Also, I've actually bee in IM long enough that I remember when the WF itself was a paid membership. And I wasn't ever a paid member then, but it's kind of got this old-school respect thing for me that I think a lot of people at my level have.

      IMHO, the War Room Membership is one of the FIRST things any serious IMer should buy. Note, I said SERIOUS.
      "newbies ask are answered in spades in the war room" ?

      What do you mean?
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    • Profile picture of the author Marian Berghes
      Originally Posted by Colin Theriot View Post

      I do this because I feel like it adds a certain credibility.

      And I don't mean an artificial one - I mean it in the same way that Google really likes noticing a business's paid inclusion in Yahoo's directory. A publicly proven and paid willingness to access and be a part of an elite within this community is valuable.

      The reason I think it's worht buying is because as a user, I use it as a metric to measure a poster. Anyone with enough time can generate a high post count and an old join date. But to be a WR member, you need to have at least put your money where your mouth is.

      And if I'm being honest, a lot of the repetitive questions that newbies ask are answered in spades in the war room.

      Also, I've actually bee in IM long enough that I remember when the WF itself was a paid membership. And I wasn't ever a paid member then, but it's kind of got this old-school respect thing for me that I think a lot of people at my level have.

      IMHO, the War Room Membership is one of the FIRST things any serious IMer should buy. Note, I said SERIOUS.
      So now credibility can be bought? awesome

      So because I'm not in the War room I'm not serious? lol

      You are basically insulting everyone in this forum that isn't a war room member.

      There are alot more reasons to not joining the war room than the one of money, me, for example won't join in the next year or so because it contains too much info and too many threads that I would have to read...and I can't help myself from reading and that will damage my income.

      Next time you post something like that, consider that us "un-serious" marketers might have other reasons for not joining.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        You are often quite quick to criticize someone else's opinion - but I don't think you understand what his post said. You just cherry picked phrases you wanted to argue with.

        There was no insult - but you choose to be insulted. Your problem.

        If anyone is truly bothered by whether someone joins another forum section or not, they've got a personal problem in the first place.

        Next time you post something like that, consider that us "un-serious" marketers might have other reasons for not joining.
        Personally, I've had my fill today of reading several posts telling others what to do and how they should post and how they should ...blah-blah - do your own thing, express your own opinion and let others have theirs, too.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    It doesn't matter to me...people are people. Paying $37 to join the War Room doesn't make you a better person, just as not paying to join doesn't make you a lesser person. I think that's how most people look at it, but I could be wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      It doesn't matter to me...people are people. Paying $37 to join the War Room doesn't make you a better person, just as not paying to join doesn't make you a lesser person. I think that's how most people look at it, but I could be wrong.
      AGREED!

      It's not like we are all multimillionares, this site costs $1000, it goes into a general pool to help us, is closed, and you didn't pay and are looking to compete against us. Maybe THEN I would mind.

      But what is *ist about all that anyway?

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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    I never pay attention to a person's War Room status when I post here. It doesn't matter to me.

    However, if the poster is trying to bend the rules here (like slip a thinly disguised ad in), then I'll look how long the person has been a member, what their other posts are like, etc. Get a feel for who they are and what their motivation is for bending the rules (e.g., maybe they don't know the rules because they're new).

    But War Room status? Doesn't matter to me one bit.

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    • Profile picture of the author ozduc
      I am not prejudice at all but I wish you free loading freebies, who wont fork out $37 to become a war room member, would stop posting questions and expecting to get answers from us far superior war room members.
      That does it. In the future I will not be responding to any posts by the inferior beings on this forum:rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    I can't possibly see why you would think there would be any discrimination whatsoever, and I would imagine its something that's probably never entered the heads of anyone on the forum either.

    The war room is just another forum, very useful I grant you, but it's just another tool to be used. Nothing mystical about it

    To be honest I spend very little time in there compared to the main forum.

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    Originally Posted by entry View Post

    are any of you war room members slightly prejudice towards us Non war room warriors? in the sense that you choose not to give as much help to us, compared to how much you would to a war room member?

    (i am on about when both War room members + Non war room members both post on the normal Free forum- No war room posting)

    Your mentality might be, they are not on my league, they are not on my level, so i wont help them, or will ignore some of their threads, etc

    I don't mean racist, sexist, or regionalist, i mean prejudice against the fact that they are just basic members, and not war room members

    I know people will rarely admit that they are slightly prejudice, but lets see what people think, and what their views are....
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I don't even look to see if you're a War Room member.

      I'm an equal opportunity dumbass abuser.

      All kidding aside, doesn't matter to me who you are. You have a question, I'll
      answer it. You act like a jerk, War Room member or not, I'll call you out on it.

      Believe me...there are plenty of War Room members here with big mouths.
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      • Profile picture of the author entry
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I don't even look to see if you're a War Room member.

        I'm an equal opportunity dumbass abuser.

        All kidding aside, doesn't matter to me who you are. You have a question, I'll
        answer it. You act like a jerk, War Room member or not, I'll call you out on it.

        Believe me...there are plenty of War Room members here with big mouths.
        lol, you'd better make a thread - Who are the big mouth warriors
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        • Profile picture of the author sylviad
          Can I ask you a question? What has happened to make you think War Room members are prejudiced against non-War Room members?

          Can I presume that it's because you ask questions and do not get the answers you expect?

          If so, here's something one of the senior Warriors wrote a year or so ago.

          Many questions posed by newbies have been answered repeatedly here. After awhile, this Warrior was getting tired of repeating himself in his answers and eventually just stopped going into threads with topics that he'd already answered numerous times before in other threads.

          He added that if you want to ask a question, run a search of the forum first to see if it's already been answered. That would save time for the newbie and for people like him who see other people they'd rather help.

          Now, don't ask me who that was. It was a long time ago, but I do remember that he was already a senior Warrior back then.

          I understand his attitude now that I've been here for a few years offering help wherever I can. Eventually, you see yourself writing the same answers over and over. And then, you decide one day that you don't want to answer the same question again. Doing so takes the joy out of offering advice. There's only so much you can say in a thread.

          You'll notice a lot of Warriors will provide a link to another thread to your topic when they come across duplicated topics or themes that are well-answered already.

          So if you think it's prejudice that keeps Senior Warriors from responding to your threads, maybe this will put a different light on it for you.

          Wait until you've been here a few years answering questions and you're sure to see what I mean.

          Oh. And newbies aren't the only ones who are "ignored". I've started threads that are not answered by the seniors. I prefer to think that they don't respond because they don't know the answer.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

      I can't possibly see why you would think there would be any discrimination whatsoever, and I would imagine its something that's probably never entered the heads of anyone on the forum either.
      I agree. I don't think anyone cares in the least. Most of the time, you're not even paying attention to that portion of the screen, so you really don't notice anyway. I usually pick questions to answer based on whether I have an answer, not whether the OP is a War Room member. Certainly, there's no way to tell whether someone is a War Room member before opening their thread, so to decide "Wait... This person's not a War Room member; I'm not going to reply" upon opening the thread seems a bit far-fetched.

      On top of that, I'm a War Room member, and I've posted questions that have gone unanswered, or received few replies, so I think that would go to further support the point that there's no prejudice against non-War Room members. If there were such a prejudice, certainly a War Room member wouldn't let another War Room member's question go unanswered, right?

      So, if both non-War Room members' and War Room members' questions can go unanswered or attract minimal responses, I think we can safely assume there isn't any member/non-member prejudice going on around here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Enthusiastic
    Originally Posted by entry View Post

    are any of you war room members slightly prejudice towards us Non war room warriors? in the sense that you choose not to give as much help to us, compared to how much you would to a war room member?
    No. I simply look for opportunity to share a comment, question, observation that I think might help someone to get their work done, or to enjoy their life.

    The only difference, if I see they are a War Room member, is that I'll mention a War Room report or thread... if I happen to know of one that might help them. (The War Room is coming up on a thousand topics, so there may well be a great report in there I haven't got around to yet myself.)

    If I understand what Colin meant, the reports in the War Room answer many questions that newbies ask. If the newbies were to join the War Room and read at least some the reports available there, they would have an efficient path to learning a lot of good material. This might be a more efficient use of their time than taking a guess, asking here about their guess, taking another guess, etc. when their topic could well already have a great report in the War Room.

    Since $37 is really cheap for good marketing reports, I agree that it's a sign that someone is serious about learning if they signed up. I also realize that some people start on a shoestring and need to put their very limited startup cash somewhere else. That's fine. I do think just about any serious Internet marketer will easily find $37 worth of material in the War Room once they can comfortably afford it.

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    • Profile picture of the author entry
      I bet the prejudice ones are some of the ones that are not going to reply to this thread.

      they will be thinking "oh, theres a post about my category of people" lol
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  • Profile picture of the author trevor75
    No, just because all the cool kids are joining and your not. It doesnt make your weird, just....different. LoL ;-P No I dont treat anybody differently on here. Were all the same, we just have different things we want out of this forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
    I've never even taken notice of a persons War Room status when replying to their post. I do look at their post count but that's only if I want to send them a PM, those with a low post count can't reply to PM's so I'll include an e-mail address for them.

    I joined the War Room back when I first started posting simply because it seemed like an intelligent decision, and I've never regretted it. But I don't pass judgement on those who choose not to join. If they want to pass up the opportunity to get priceless IM advice and private phone numbers for naked supermodels it's their business!



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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    Why in the world would you even ask a question like that? I would really like to know.

    Also as this is a marketing forum, how is this type of question going to help you and anyone else improve their marketing skills? Sorry, I just don't see it.

    If I understand what you are asking is you feel neglected by the War Room Members when you make a post. Or perhaps you feel your threads don't solicit the amount of information you are seeking.

    If this is the situation you may well not be asking the right questions or making comments in threads that would require someone else to post a response to. In other words when you point a finger at someone or something, remember you have 3 pointing right back at you. O.K. that is enough psychology from an Old Geezer.

    But to answer your question, if that is what it is? I will respond to anyone if I can make a useful contribution. It makes no difference to me if they are War Room Members or not.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Doesn't make one lickspittle of difference to me. If we are hanging out in the regular forum, then there should be zero expectation for anyone to be a War Room member here.

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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      All that little red tag line means to me is that someone spent $37 bucks on it. If I have the time, and an answer, I don't care one way or the other.

      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


      Believe me...there are plenty of War Room members here with big mouths.
      Originally Posted by entry View Post

      lol, you'd better make a thread - Who are the big mouth warriors
      entry, look at his post count. You're looking at one of the leaders of that pack...:p
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      • Profile picture of the author DaveHughes
        There's only one warrior I hold any prejudice or ill will for...this idiot.

        He could make it a lot easier for me to make money, but I just don't feel he helps me as much as he should, especially after he agreed that he would help me do what I need to do to increase my revenue.

        Jerk.

        Everyone else is fine.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

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        Originally Posted by entry
        lol, you'd better make a thread - Who are the big mouth warriors

        entry, look at his post count. You're looking at one of the leaders of that pack...:p
        Touché

        Hey John, anybody ever tell you that you're a real smart ass?

        Yeah, I got a big mouth.

        It matches my big....feet.

        Yeah, I know what YOU were thinking.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Hmmm, first time I ever heard of the war room as being a "status".

          Hey, does that mean I can buy a "status" car for $37?

          I'll take a silver and black Lamborghini, a red Mach 5 classic Mustang, and a 1957 pink cadilliac convertable!

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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Touché

          Hey John, anybody ever tell you that you're a real smart ass?

          Yeah, I got a big mouth.

          It matches my big....feet.

          Yeah, I know what YOU were thinking.
          All the time, Steve, all the time...

          It's part of my boyish charm.
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        • Profile picture of the author Gary King
          Originally Posted by DaveHughes View Post

          There's only one warrior I hold any prejudice or ill will for...this idiot.

          He could make it a lot easier for me to make money, but I just don't feel he helps me as much as he should, especially after he agreed that he would help me do what I need to do to increase my revenue.

          Jerk.

          Everyone else is fine.
          Funny that way, ain't it? My boss is a real jerk! Every morning, he's right there in my face while I shave!



          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Touché

          Hey John, anybody ever tell you that you're a real smart ass?

          Yeah, I got a big mouth.

          It matches my big....feet.

          Yeah, I know what YOU were thinking.
          Nice one Steven - you crack me up. I do think you should start the thread though. ;-)

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  • Profile picture of the author Mitchymoo
    To me it really doesn't matter wether you're a war room member or not! If you need help with something then I'll try my hardest to help you out. If I don't know the answer then I'll help you find out who does know the answer!

    It's as simple as that really!

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  • Profile picture of the author webber1
    i have found war room warriors are very helpful
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  • Profile picture of the author Jacer
    I do take every opportunity to convert those lost souls into the War Room Family. Does that make me prejudice?
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  • Profile picture of the author duncanb
    No! whether someone is a member OR IS NOT means nothing at all to me.

    For example: I would not prefer one person over another because they purchase a certain WSO. I would not prefer one person over another because they are a member of the war room.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The only difference, if I see they are a War Room member, is that I'll mention a War Room report or thread
      What is the point of doing that? A War Room Member has seen the thread on his own and don't you think it snobbish to add a link that non-war room members can't access?

      Who cares? About the only time you see it mentioned is when someone asks about it or when someone starts posting about their upcoming WSO - and don't qualify to run one becuase they aren't a War Room member.

      It's a choice - and it doesn't matter. But if you look for a problem, you're bind to find something wrong somewhere.

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      • Profile picture of the author vneely
        Nah, I judge someone based on the content of their posts.

        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        What is the point of doing that? A War Room Member has seen the thread on his own and don't you think it snobbish to add a link that non-war room members can't access?
        Being a War Room member doesn't necessarily mean said member is aware of all the threads, has explored everything, or remembers everything. Case in point, me. Someone pointed out a great resource in the War Room, so I dug around until I found it. Was really glad someone took the time to mention it.

        It probably also works out to a nice advertisement for the War Room too.
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    • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
      I don't think I've ever taken any notice of whether someone was a War Room member or not.

      The reason why it may seem that many non War Room members questions don't get answered is probably because most of them are newbies and are generally asking questions that have been answered many, many times over.

      99% of questions newbies have, have already been answered on here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Louise Green
    It doesn't matter to me if they have War Room access or not.

    I'm sure most people who stick around here for a decent amount of time becomes one anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rogers
    Non war room got no reason
    Non war room got no reason
    Non war room got no reason
    To live

    They got little brains
    About an ounce
    They ain't got sh!t
    In their Paypal accounts
    They got no skills
    And very little dough
    They can't even post
    A lousy WSO

    Well, I don't want no non war room
    Don't want no non war room
    Don't want no non war room
    `Round here
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by John Rogers View Post

      Non war room got no reason
      Non war room got no reason
      Non war room got no reason
      To live

      They got little brains
      About an ounce
      They ain't got sh!t
      In their Paypal accounts
      They got no skills
      And very little dough
      They can't even post
      A lousy WSO

      Well, I don't want no non war room
      Don't want no no non war room
      Don't want no no non war room
      `Round here

      Thank you...I'll be singing that stupid ass song all night now.

      Thank you VERY much.

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  • Profile picture of the author KristiDaniels
    Nope. Over 99% of the marketers I respect and associate with are NOT war room members.
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  • Profile picture of the author SuiteJ
    If you come across anyone who actually decides who to help based on their "War Room Status", then you don't want help from them anyway.

    As you can see above, there's plenty of genuine people 'round here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    I think the whole premise of the question is silly.
    Anyone who would discriminate against another
    member for the sole reason that they aren't a War
    Room member is pretty shallow... and really has
    no clue what it means to be a Warrior.

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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
    Wow, I guess I must be the odd one out then. I would say that rather than it making me inclined to dismiss someone who isn't a War Room member, I'm inclined to think that I simply favor those who are War Room members. It's not like I'm part of any kind of clique in there - I don't think I've ever even posted on that forum. But the thing is, I KNOW what info is in there because I've read it. If I see someone's also a member there, I assume they read it too (since they paid for it) so it's sort of like an instant way to assume that given person knows a little something something.

    If that makes more sense? I sounded like kind of a wang in my first post, and I didn't want to leave the impression that I'm not into helping people. I am - but I'm more inclined to help those who help themselves, and the red line in the ID badge is a way of indicating that you're my kind of people in that regard.

    Does it make a difference on whether I reply to a thread or not? Sometimes - like if it's a not WR member asking what seems like a basic question and no one's responded, I might hold off. Because I might feel like it would take a lot to answer the question properly, for example. Whereas if I saw the WR line, I could refer to things like the "Conduit Method" and they would know what I meant, or could reference it. It's like knowing the secret handshake I guess.

    It's clear I'm in the minority on this one, but I can't be the only one, so I figure sharing a different perspective might help.

    Originally Posted by Marian Berghes View Post

    So now credibility can be bought? awesome

    So because I'm not in the War room I'm not serious? lol

    You are basically insulting everyone in this forum that isn't a war room member.

    There are alot more reasons to not joining the war room than the one of money, me, for example won't join in the next year or so because it contains too much info and too many threads that I would have to read...and I can't help myself from reading and that will damage my income.

    Next time you post something like that, consider that us "un-serious" marketers might have other reasons for not joining.
    Yeah, credibility can always be bought, don't you think? You can also earn it, but buying it is a valid shortcut in lots of situations. For example, paying for a trust seal to display on your shopping cart on an e-commerce site. I didn't mean for it to sound so dismissive to the non-members, but rather I can't help but feel that I want to give preferential treatment to fellow members.

    I certainly don't mean to insult anyone, so please don't take any where none is intended.

    To clarify, being a member is an indicator of seriousness, just as using your real name is, right? It's not that NOT having it automatically means you're clown shoes and bull$hit. It just means I have no way to tell your degree of involvement or familiarity with IM than any other anonymous poster.

    Sure, I could research you and stuff, but I'm not inclined to just to get some context on one thread response or other. But that War Room badge can act just like those ecommerce trust seals, being a handy visual shorthand.

    Is it always a valid metric, no. But it's still one I think of as useful.

    Again, no offense meant, and I hope I explained myself better with less foot-in-mouth.
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    • Profile picture of the author entry
      Originally Posted by Colin Theriot View Post

      Wow, I guess I must be the odd one out then. I would say that rather than it making me inclined to dismiss someone who isn't a War Room member, I'm inclined to think that I simply favor those who are War Room members. It's not like I'm part of any kind of clique in there - I don't think I've ever even posted on that forum. But the thing is, I KNOW what info is in there because I've read it. If I see someone's also a member there, I assume they read it too (since they paid for it) so it's sort of like an instant way to assume that given person knows a little something something.

      If that makes more sense? I sounded like kind of a wang in my first post, and I didn't want to leave the impression that I'm not into helping people. I am - but I'm more inclined to help those who help themselves, and the red line in the ID badge is a way of indicating that you're my kind of people in that regard.

      Does it make a difference on whether I reply to a thread or not? Sometimes - like if it's a not WR member asking what seems like a basic question and no one's responded, I might hold off. Because I might feel like it would take a lot to answer the question properly, for example. Whereas if I saw the WR line, I could refer to things like the "Conduit Method" and they would know what I meant, or could reference it. It's like knowing the secret handshake I guess.

      It's clear I'm in the minority on this one, but I can't be the only one, so I figure sharing a different perspective might help.
      I thought somebody would share their different perspective, all views are cool.

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    • Profile picture of the author FriendlyRob
      Originally Posted by Michael Silvester View Post

      Of Course War Room Members Are Better...Get Over It


      I wouldn't necessarily say that War Room Members are better. But I've gotten my value out of it many times over.
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  • Profile picture of the author FriendlyRob
    Since we are all being honest...

    While I do sincerely want to offer the best possible advice and help that I'm capable of, I have an ulterior motive.

    If the advice to a person is sound and helpful, then perhaps I will find that person on my list one day. If not then that's fine too. That's what this forum is for.
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  • Profile picture of the author DougBarger
    Yes, in our meeting on the subject,
    I was hesitant to use the words like,


    "proletariats and plebians"

    and say it's hard to view them on equal footing if they seriously believe they are here to discuss professional marketing here on the internet and can't even seem to muster $37

    I mean, really, just who are we kidding here?

    It's not to say that I believe they are lazy necessarily
    or don't deserve to post at all

    It's just, how can we put this delicately so no one gets the wrong idea...

    "Non'ers"=they are more like children.

    Now, that's how a good majority of us feel
    but many won't admit to it
    in order to spare the feelings
    of those who somehow thought it was smarter
    to decide against getting
    their War Room Membership yet before now.

    It's not to say we don't think the "Non'ers" are uneducated and ignorant
    necessarily.

    It's just, come on now, really.

    Maybe it is just a different "culture".

    I hope being honest won't mean we'll have to call security on any "non'ers"
    who feel as though they are being made a spectacle of, but come on now, really.

    (disclaimer:this is tongue in cheek meaning no discrimination)
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
      Originally Posted by DougBarger View Post

      Yes, in our meeting on the subject,
      I was hesitant to use the words like,


      "proletariats and plebians"

      and say it's hard to view them on equal footing if they seriously believe they are here to discuss professional marketing here on the internet and can't even seem to muster $37

      I mean, really, just who are we kidding here?

      It's not to say that I believe they are lazy necessarily
      or don't deserve to post at all

      It's just, how can we put this delicately so no one gets the wrong idea...

      "Non'ers"=they are more like children.

      Now, that's how a good majority of us feel
      but many won't admit to it
      in order to spare the feelings
      of those who somehow thought it was smarter
      to decide against getting
      their War Room Membership yet before now.

      It's not to say we don't think the "Non'ers" are uneducated and ignorant
      necessarily.

      It's just, come on now, really.

      Maybe it is just a different "culture".

      I hope being honest won't mean we'll have to call security on any "non'ers"
      who feel as though they are being made a spectacle of, but come on now, really.
      Doug,

      Maybe it's not about $37. Maybe some people don't like joining cults.

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      • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
        Originally Posted by Martin Luxton View Post

        Doug,

        Maybe it's not about $37. Maybe some people don't like joining cults.

        Martin
        What's funny about this is how many people join cults anyway. You think anyone in the cult thinks what they're in is actually a cult?

        I just think it's hilarious that your statement presupposes that there are people out there that DO like joining cults.



        But really though, I can see how you might think it's a cult since people (including me) praise it so much, but there's very little interaction over there. Not like in here - but it's tons of just raw CONTENT. Very useful content, if you happen to think like I do, and want to accomplish the same things that I do.

        Like almost anything, the oldest stuff is the best stuff in there, but that stuff is gold. Join us Martin. You know you want to. Resistance is futile.

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        • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
          Originally Posted by Colin Theriot View Post

          I just think it's hilarious that your statement presupposes that there are people out there that DO like joining cults.
          You'd be surprised. I know a couple of people who "signed up" for scientology just for the craic.

          I can see where the OP is coming from. When the the War Room change came about there were quite a few patronising threads berating (and insulting) people for not joining so the the OP might relate poor response to their questions to this.

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  • Profile picture of the author Simo
    I am not prejudiced towards anyone who makes a conscious decision to not join or participate in a section of the War Room.

    I still will treat them as an equal, regardless whether they have been here forever or joined this morning.

    In saying that I do feel sorry for anyone who is not a War Room member because they don't know what they are missing out on...

    Only a War Room member, knows the feeling.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marian Berghes
    Of course I feel offended when I see something like that...now that he posted in a little more detail I understand what he meant and I somewhat agree.

    And kay, don't tell me that if you weren't a war room member and somebody said that every serious marketer should be one you wouldn't be at least a bit offended...

    And yeah I am quite often quick to criticize people's opinions because I'm young and impulsive, and I'm never gonna hide it...I am trying to change it tho
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    • Profile picture of the author Akin Alabi
      My impression about non war room members is that they don't know what "value" is.
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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
      Originally Posted by Marian Berghes View Post

      Of course I feel offended when I see something like that...now that he posted in a little more detail I understand what he meant and I somewhat agree.

      And kay, don't tell me that if you weren't a war room member and somebody said that every serious marketer should be one you wouldn't be at least a bit offended...

      And yeah I am quite often quick to criticize people's opinions because I'm young and impulsive, and I'm never gonna hide it...I am trying to change it tho
      Actually, what I said was "IMHO, the War Room Membership is one of the FIRST things any serious IMer should buy." And I still stand by that. It's my opinion, after all. I didn't say that you weren't serious if you didn't buy it at all. I just said if you're serious, I think you should. Must have misread me because of all that impulsiveness you mentioned.
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    Maybe there was a time a while ago that I quickly looked at the "red line"... but since lately we had so many fresh WF members, entering the War Room in a rush just to be able to post a WSO - I stopped looking at it.

    Furthermore, as somebody already mentioned, when you look at the "table of content" of a forum there is no way to tell whether the poster (thread starter) is a war room member or not.

    However, I am very "prejudiced" towards thread titles like "Help!" or "I really need help with this" or "Can somebody help PLEEEEASE!!???" - actually, I think they are idiots.
    (My friends call me an equal opportunity politically incorrect offender for a reason.)

    Reading the thread titles and seeing a topic that I am familiar with may prompt me to open it and help. Asking the wrong (read: useless) questions may warn me to avoid threads by certain people.

    Don't bring your psychiatric baggage here. Find a shrink! This is not Dr.Phil or Oprah show. And this is not Freud's sofa either.

    BTW, why do we have this thread...?
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  • Profile picture of the author tush
    Lol... I had never noticed that the war room members have a red label.. And going back to look at my posts, most of them have been addressed by these wonderful people. And although I am a newbie here, I always get help almost immediately. I strongly believe there is no prejudice
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Definitely no prejudice here. We all had to go through the same stage that you're at presently, so I think for the most part we all understand your situation. If anything, I am of the opinion that we go out of our way to help you newbies understand the basics, especially when you ask for help (nicely). Of course, there are some newbies that abuse this, and start hurling insults and/or post really ignorant comments without trying to educate themselves first, and that's when you have to show you some tough love...lol!
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  • Profile picture of the author lisag
    Originally Posted by entry View Post

    are any of you war room members slightly prejudice towards us Non war room warriors? in the sense that you choose not to give as much help to us, compared to how much you would to a war room member?
    The idea never occurred to me. But now that you bring it up, I'm not going to answer your question
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      I'll help out anyone I can as long as they aren't spamming, trying to break rules, or being abusive, so you don't have to be a War Room member to get a response from me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      I don't believe the war room was created to be the similar to the main forum.

      The only way you can start a post is to offer something of value. You don't really start topics with questions there.
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  • Profile picture of the author James12C
    "Are you Prejudice towards 'Non war room' members?"

    No, but I do notice mis-spelling! "Prejudiced", I think?


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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    Originally Posted by entry View Post

    are any of you war room members slightly prejudice towards us Non war room warriors? in the sense that you choose not to give as much help to us, compared to how much you would to a war room member?
    No, I never even think about it. War room is a choice whether you want to pay extra for extra IM information, it's not a status symbol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Keith
    Look at the "big names" in the industry... how many posts have they made? are they members of the war room? In most cases you'll find they don't have the time for it. In most cases you'll find the less time a person spends frequenting a forum the more time they spend making money.
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    I don't pay any attention at all to whether or not someone is a War Room member. I help when and where I can.
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  • Profile picture of the author Russ Emrick
    Is there a point here? Frankly this strikes me as a trolling question or one that is irrelevant. Some people look for offense. Perhaps we need a beer summit.

    Oh - and to the young man (today is my rant day) who thinks rudeness and poor manners are to be excused because you're young I have news for you. Being young doesn't get you a pass on immaturity. Being critical, cruel, and rude is a result of poor parenting - it has nothing to do with age. My 8 year knows better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mo Faisal
    It would be against the warrior's ethics to discriminate on that grounds.

    When I wasn't a War Room member, the warriors helped me.
    Now, when I am a War Room member, the same warriors still help me out.

    And I in turn try to help other warriors irrespective of their being a War Room member or not.

    But one thing I would like to point out is that I only try to help on topics that I know a lot about. I wouldn't dare open my mouth on topics I am not familiar with and come across as a dumbass. And that's the case with many warriors out here. We all are learning new things and my friend you think we are PREJUDICED!!
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    • Profile picture of the author DogScout
      Originally Posted by Bruce_Richards View Post

      It would be against the warrior's ethics to discriminate on that grounds.

      When I wasn't a War Room member, the warrior helped me.
      Now, when I am a War Room member, the same warrior still help me out.

      And I in turn try to help other warriors irrespective of their being a War Room member or not.

      But one thing I would like to point out is that I only try to help on topics that I know a lot about. I wouldn't dare open my mouth on topics I am not familiar with and come across as a dumbass. And that's the case with many warriors out here. We all are learning new things and my friend you think we are PREJUDICED!!


      Bruce..
      Big problem for me, I am a dumbass on every subject. I guess the day I know everything about a subject would mean I could retire in a year. - though I do give MY OPINION on subjects and take no offence if they are ignored; hell, I'd probably ignore a person with 'DogScout' as a nic too! Lol. (besides with this current avatar jut to see if I can get a rise out of Brad Grosse (whose opinions I highly respect), I am having way too much fun to be taken too seriously.

      (though the two posts on google now using 37 results depending on the avatar of the most likely person to be using that IP is real, even though most people probably think I am nuts I have personal proof as well as heard it from a friend who heard it from corporate and is an employee... time will tell. In any case that will help remove some cometition, as few go to the trouble of creating avatars of their most hyper-responsive customers... being a Glen livingston follower, I can't help but have that and reseach drilled in my brain. After all he is a man that by creating avatars and researching has made a mil+ 19 times in a row in 19 different niches, (One in hamsters and one, believe it or not in alpaca raising!), so hard to argue with proven success.

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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    It doesn't matter to me either.

    I am a war room member and I hardly ever hang out in there. (shame on me)

    I went in there yesterday just to see what's going on and I saw more people freely giving away their best content/products more than having the type of discussions about marketing we're used
    to seeing in the Main Forum.

    And I agree with Dennis Gaskill that just because they paid $37, it doesn't automatically
    make them worth more than someone who didn't as far as where I spend my time being helpful and contributing value.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      And kay, don't tell me that if you weren't a war room member and somebody said that every serious marketer should be one you wouldn't be at least a bit offended...
      No - I wouldn't be offended. I would just think it's that person's opinion.

      What you may not know is a few years ago there was not only a "paid" section of this forum - but you had to be GRANTED entry into it. You couldn't join because you wanted to sell here or wanted to ask silly questions.

      The membership was limited and there was a waiting list of members who wanted "in". The War Room is open to anyone who pays to join - not exactly an exclusive club.

      This isn't a sandbox on the playground. It's business. Some come here to learn and to pay it forward, some come here to make money from others - there are different reasons for being a member. Lately some people seem to be looking for something to be offended about.

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    I rarely even notice if the OP is a WR member unless it looks like a spam post and then I look at join date and post and thanks numbers... not WR membership.

    (even spammers could use a WR membership! )

    Although I can understand feeling offended, but $37 takes care of that and if some one is really offended and doesn't have $37, PM me and I'll buy you one.

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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Not at all. We are all one big happy family here. Love to get new members. Perhaps they are not yet full time marketers. Hope one day they join us.
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  • Profile picture of the author glenngers
    Hi There DogScout ... it's Glenn Livingston :-)

    I've got alerts set on my name because I like to monitor rumors about me and try to correct my image where possible (so thanks for mentioning me).

    Anyway, for the record, while I make an extremely comfortable living doing all that I've done, the majority of the niches to which you're referring made an average of about $1,000 net profit each (after advertising and customer service costs), and some of them only a few hundred.

    There were two that did $8K to $10K net per month, and those (in addition to teaching the method itself) were where I focussed. Eventually I sold or got partners for all of them, and worked on the entrepreneurial market (which led to my current courses and Rocket Clicks).

    It was too much to manage over a dozen niches, and I wanted to build a REAL business with deep back ends, real people working in them, etc. There was no way to keep up with all the JV offers, needs for testing and tweaking, and natural attention each of these would have needed.

    And the reason I did so many in the black without failure (not 19 in a row by the way, there were two mistakes in there) was because my system has so many red flags that I ruled out literally hundreds of partially researched markets and ideas before I started investing.

    So I guess what I'm saying is, I'm not Superman, but a proponent for the value of realism and research in business, especially online. 7 years after I started I wound up in a very nice place, but I would have gotten here a lot sooner if I didn't let everyone convince me I was invulnerable.

    What my methods do is give you a more powerful X-Ray into the market than anyone else so you can see things no one else can see, identify market gaps and opportunities no one else knows about, and create the initial entry way to allow eventual dominance.

    But the method isn't dominant in and of itself. Just like a medical X-Ray, it just shows you the picture... you still have to go through the treatment. Which in our world, meanings having the resources to develop what the market wants, the fortitude to do what it takes to put it together, and the skills to organize, lead and manage PEOPLE (not just computers) if you plan to be a serious player.

    For what it's worth,

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  • Profile picture of the author tush
    This thread has made me think being about a war room member. I thought I was getting everything here in the forums. I will look into the advantages and see if I need to join. For sure, I can afford the membership
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  • Profile picture of the author Russ Emrick
    My personal opinion was that this is a trolling type question - and it certainly worked.

    As you get older you learn many things that you didn't know as a youngster. A few of those things are that 1) people find the money for the things they really want 2) that people spend money on what they're serious about 3) people are lazy, seldom follow advice, look for agreement rather than change 4) who says something is often more important than what is being said.

    Joining the WR is one filter that allows quick decisions about all of those things. Whining about not being able to PM, and so forth, not getting advice, discrimination all proves the point. In a time crunched over worked world we don't have time for that nonsense. I for one use the WR membership as one way of reducing that noise and helping those that I think will actually use what is offered to them. Life isn't fair and we all use filters of some sort - unless of course you're financially independent and just a philanthropist with both your time and coin. If so PM me I've got plenty of stuff you can do for free.
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    I normally do not care (or even notice) whether someone is a warrior member or not. If they have a question, I try to help.
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