Wow! Spammers Are Raising the Bars!

by A Bary
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Hello

It seems that there are efforts on the dark side to change the game rules and pass the regular spam barriers!

I was offering a domain for sale on Flippa, and while I was receiving regular bids there, I received an email from somebody stated that he is interested in the domain, asking about the price and if I have any additional domains for sale.

I told him that the domain has already been sold, and I have some other domains for sale and I am open for offers for these domains.

That's when the fun begins!!

He replied with that, he is interested in my domains, however, he can't buy a domain that doesn't have a professional appraisal

Till then, I was dealing with him as a customer, I replied to him politely that I have sold many domains without appraisals, and I believe appraisals don't add any real value, people buy domains according to the benefit for their business, and determine the value of the domain according to commonly known factors (domain age, word count, keywords..etc)


He replied again that he asked market professionals and they prohibited him from proceeding with any domain purchase without a professional evaluation...

And Voila

At the end of his email, he add links to services he believe to be good for domain evaluation, and he didn't forget to bash some other services and mention them as being useless (according to his experts recommendations).

I finally realized after 3 or 4 emails that I am dealing with a smart spammer..

Why I believe he is a spammer??

When I re read his emails, I found a general tone, no personalization, the same email can be sent to thousands of other domain sellers without any changes...

And more importantly, does a real customer send recommendations?

If he was a real customer, and truly believe in the value of domain appraisals, he would grab domains he believe to be valuable for few bucks (I wasn't asking for high prices for the domains), perform the evaluation, then sell them for a higher profit margin

Isn't this what a true domain flipper would do??

That's why I was impressed more than being upset!

how far spammers can go!

But what I truly can't understand, why these people spend such time to do spam, while they can use the exact time and effort to build a legit successful business?

I believe spam is not easy, especially when you try to come out with new ideas!
#bars #raising #spammers #wow
  • Profile picture of the author WritingMadwoman
    Unfortunately this is not unheard of - I think there may have been threads about this in the past too. Sorry to hear they tried to get you, but good job not falling for it!

    (Wouldn't it be funny to start your own fake domain appraisal service and tell them you will sell the domain only if they pay for the appraisal themselves? )

    Wendy
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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      Originally Posted by WritingMadwoman View Post

      Unfortunately this is not unheard of - I think there may have been threads about this in the past too. Sorry to hear they tried to get you, but good job not falling for it!

      (Wouldn't it be funny to start your own fake domain appraisal service and tell them you will sell the domain only if they pay for the appraisal themselves? )

      Wendy
      well said Wendy, a very nice idea
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    The OLDEST "domain name flipping" scam in the book is to "suggest" an "appraisal" service that the person makes money off of. They don't want the domain name, but your payment to the "service".

    PLEASE don't give them credit for "raising the bar".

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author CesarGalano
    I've received several emails also from scammers.Some of them offered $15.000 for a typo domain! But my question is...Do people fall in this old trick?
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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      Well, it seems older than I thought

      Bit it is the first time to happen to me...that's why I thought it's a different way to do spam
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  • Profile picture of the author GoGetta
    I have been getting this too, but on Website Flips (not just domains)

    I have listed many websites for sale recently and recieved requests from "interested" buyers wanting the domain appraised. I have always explained I have never needed it before I don't intend to pay for appraisal.

    Low and behold, they "recommend" a service!

    I was gonna post about this last week on here, to warn people, but wasn't sure! This now confirms my suspicions! ; )

    GoGetta
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    The problem is that sending email costs effectively nothing, so they send out THOUSANDS of emails. Just ONE sucker makes it seem worth while.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
    I think this was one of the first scams I ever heard of when I got online and started reading forums. There is just so much going on though that I'm sure there are plenty that I haven't heard of and could still fall for. In fact come to think of it I kind of fell for one in the wso section lately. (I'm exaggerating. It wasn't that kind of scam, but I did get taken.)

    I guess a good answer to this email would be "I have a lot of experience with domains and I'll appraise it for you. Just send me $35..." Of course then you might get someone with no sense of humor, ticked off and looking for revenge and maybe it's best to just forget about it and get on with doing something useful.

    Personally I appreciate feedback including negative. If I have egg on my face I would like to know so I can get it off. I doubt if the spam emailers have the same appreciation for that kind of communication though.
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    • Profile picture of the author dualdtmz
      If they were really interested in buying your site or domain, they would just get the appraisal done themselves if they believed that strongly in having one done before they bought. Or at least asked you to go half and half
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    That's the oldest domain scam in the book. It's been around for a long time. If you sell a domain and get approached by someone who insists on a "professional" appraisal by a certain company, just run. They own the appraisal scam company and that's all they're after ... to get you to buy the appraisal. Seriously doubt that they are even qualified to do an appraisal. There's more than one of these going around.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sevin
      It's amazing the things spammers come up with

      My friend Justin was trying to sell his car on craigslist and some guy sent him an email asking if the car was still for sale. Justin said yes, and the guy replied and told him his car was undervalued. Justin, well that's the price, do you want it? Then the guy replied no thanks and gave him an CPA link to a site that does car appraisals.

      I suppose the guy could do this for every car on sale on craigslist. I wonder if it's working.
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      • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
        Wasn't there a WSO about how to do this sort of thing recently (one of the how to do CPA offers WSOs)?

        It didn't present itself as promoting a scam though, but as offering a free appraisal (though presumably, they could have upgraded to get a more in-depth appraisal). It's still a case of flying under the wrong flag though.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I've received these kind of scam/spam emails too, for domains that weren't even up for sale. Just an email out of the blue from someone saying they were interested in buying my domain and recommended which appraisal companies to use. It didn't take me long to realize the scammer/spammer had a stake in the appraisal, either as the site owner or as an affiliate.

    I replied, "Wow, they said my site was worth $100,000 to $120,000. Make me an offer!"

    Of course, I never heard from them again.
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