people are getting immune to opt ins

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Hi,

Look 10 years ago when all this was realtively new opt ins worked like a charm.. but these days (and I do it my-self) I hardly opt in to anyones list...Why not?

1) What they give away is usually pretty lame. If it's an ebook/report I never read them. You kind of get immune to the offer.

2) I know what's going to follow....Buy this, my friend has just come out with a new product buy it... sell, selel sell,

I noticed now many people put in throaway email addresses. My open rates are about 15% wht it was 5+ years ago. It's been done to death. Sure if you can offer something different but all this emphasis on building a list is getting a little "long in the tooth"
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  • Profile picture of the author sts2k
    im sure there are better ways to build a list than just give away pretty lame things.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
        I find myself trolling this forum for something interesting to read, when all along I could be opening up all those email newsletters I Opted-In for.

        Oh, wait a minute - every newsletter features yet another sales pitch.
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    • Profile picture of the author RMC
      As the dude would say.. "that's just like your opinion, man"
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      • Profile picture of the author tresfavian
        It gets way too overbearing, when a bunch of JV's come after me for the same thing, most will get cut. But you do get some gems of info from some.
        Someone will always come up with break through product, worth every penny while many are incomplete. It's Live and Learn until you know what your doing and where you are going.
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  • Profile picture of the author mktgpro21202
    I think you need to offer something of value that is created by YOU. PLR garbage is a waste of time.

    I also think that you need to spread it out over a few days or weeks. Maybe send one part of your 'report' every 3 days for a few weeks. This gets them used to opening the emails and prevents them from getting it all at once and opting out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Terri LC
    Yes, I too have grown immune to most Opt-ins and almost all sales letter that you scroll for 10 minutes...........however, it has to be REALLLLYYY high-perceived value for me now, eCourse, videos, and sometimes the wording alone works for me, I think creating curiosity as well as hitting a need.

    I'm pretty much traffic report-ed out!

    It forces us to keep bettering our best and giving til it hurts, when you do that - the magic follows!

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      This is a personal opinion, but it appears to me that many marketers fail to realize that the 'relationship' starts off before the prospect has opted in vs after the prospect becomes a subscriber.

      By that I mean too many folks throw up a squeeze page with the hopes of getting subscribers to their list without doing anything that makes them stand out, or become what Seth Godin terms 'remarkable', e.g. worth making a remark about.

      In essence, you need to distinguish yourself from the herd from the very moment you start your interactions with your prospects. This interaction starts when they land on your squeeze page. If your squeeze page is merely a 'me too' template that others have sworn gets a 50%+ opt-in rate, so you model yours after it, don't be surprised when your prospects only embrace a free offer and shun the relationship you are hoping to develop.

      If there is a correlation between throw-away email addresses and a lack of wanting to develop or create a relationship with a marketer on the part of the prospect it is not the fault of the prospect.

      Rather it is a lack of value that is being subconsciously imprinted on the prospects mind whereby the value provided for the trading of a name/email address appears to be insufficient from the prospects point of view.

      I know when I opt-in to someones' list and I use one of my alternate email addys it is because I'm only in the mood to gamble a tiny bit on whether or not the marketer may turn out to be someone I want to develop a relationship with. If it is someone I truly believe may have the goods that I am looking for they get my real email addy staight away.

      A large influence on those decisions is based on the perception I get when I land on their squeeze page. If it looks like a 'me too' page, it sends the message that they don't think highly enough of their subscribers, or perhaps even their offer. However, if they take the time to give upfront value, or even be creative enough so I know they in it for the long haul, and are not just another fly-by-night wannbe, that goes a long way.

      Bottom line...if you feel your prospects are immune to your offer you need to change their perception of you as a marketer. So kick it up a notch on the front side before the opt-in occurs.

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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
    What captures attention in any market is what I call "Anomoly" - it's something that stands out from the landscape. In order to get attention, you need to look at the context in which your message will be delivered, and create something uncommon.

    The traditional "opt-in for this doo-dad" is no longer uncommon. It's gone beyond even common, and is now in lowest-common-denominator territory.

    But that's not to say that collecting contact info on prospects isn't worthwhile. You just have to think of a way to be uncommon again. One way is value, another way is in presentation of mechanism.

    I've had success with some clients in making the comment mechanism for their blogs double as a voluntary opt-in, and that's working in some niches.

    Collecting contact info is an age-old business practice. All opt-in does is make it so that was easy to do online, and offer something in exchange that was easy to deliver, like a download. Before that, they did the same thing but with paper in the mail and in magazines.

    People aren't immune to opt-in, they're just bored.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamawebinc
    Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

    Hi,

    Look 10 years ago when all this was realtively new opt ins worked like a charm.. but these days (and I do it my-self) I hardly opt in to anyones list...Why not?

    1) What they give away is usually pretty lame. If it's an ebook/report I never read them. You kind of get immune to the offer.

    2) I know what's going to follow....Buy this, my friend has just come out with a new product buy it... sell, selel sell,

    I noticed now many people put in throaway email addresses. My open rates are about 15% wht it was 5+ years ago. It's been done to death. Sure if you can offer something different but all this emphasis on building a list is getting a little "long in the tooth"
    Building a list is not something new. It is not something that came out 10 years ago.

    An opt-in page is a tool to accomplish a goal. Many tools can accomplish the same goal.

    If people are not opting in it is because the right people did not see the right offer.

    Categorizing all report or ebooks as lame is ridiculous. If you opt in for a report or ebook, and you don't read them, why did you opt-in in the first place?

    If your opt-in rates are dropping, it is up to you to make the necessary changes to raise them back up again.

    People miss the point of the opt-in page.

    It is simply an online tool to qualify prospects who may be interested in what you have to sell to a certain market and collect their contact information so you can follow up with them and make a commercial offer.

    You should stop focusing on the tool, and focus on the goal of the tool.
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  • Profile picture of the author wemakeiteasy
    The key is to do the opposite of what the majority is doing. It will make you stand out from the crowd.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    People get hyperfocused on all the wrong aspects of the LIST... they hear, the money's in the list, and that if you throw the dog a bone, people will opt in. They spend less time offering something of quality and more time trying to wrack up the numbers with a lame freebie and an even lamer autoresponder.

    That's not to say this model is dead, or even dying out. The ones who do well don't offer just any old thing, but they offer VALUE. This doesn't just go for the opt-in freebie, but the entire content of their site.

    There will be considerably more competition with this, especially in the MMO niche because most of us are aware of it > Niche markets, however, are another story.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Colin and KJ beat me to the punch, but I was going to put it much more simply, so I shall: People are not immune to the opt-in, they are immune to the tactics.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Colin and KJ beat me to the punch, but I was going to put it much more simply, so I shall: People are not immune to the opt-in, they are immune to the tactics.
      Valid point. Remember though, not everyone has been exposed enough to build an immunity. Know thy audience.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

        Valid point. Remember though, not everyone has been exposed enough to build an immunity. Know thy audience.
        That would explain why you still get some sign-ups, but not near as many as in the past. Thanks for re-inforcing my point, Lance.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    I subscribe to no list, I do not care what you are giving away for free... I follow nobody and I do not care what the latest and greatest product launch is...

    I focus on my business and build my business, the time I spend reading a newsletter filled with buy this or that I could be building links to my sites or creating a new tool or creating a new product.

    But I am different then most also ...

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      I subscribe to no list, I do not care what you are giving away for free... I follow nobody and I do not care what the latest and greatest product launch is...

      I focus on my business and build my business, the time I spend reading a newsletter filled with buy this or that I could be building links to my sites or creating a new tool or creating a new product.

      But I am different then most also ...

      James
      But! But! But! I just launched this GREAT ebook/video/audio/robot that shows you how to make $293,482,392,993.93 in only TWO MINUTES! I'm giving away the first chapter to get you on my list so I can message you forever and ever, but if you act RIGHT NOW you'll get it for just $97...

      >

      Sorry, I couldn't resist.

      In all seriousness, you have a great point. Instead of reading Yet Another Free Report, you could be doing something productive.
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    I have a separate e-mail address for all opt-in list, I sometimes scroll through that list to get ideas for Subject lines.
    I also like to see what else is out there but haven't found anything better than what I started in 2007.
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    • Profile picture of the author innocent07
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      The reason many of you don't subscribe to lists, or are bored with joining lists is because:
      • you are used to joining so many peoples lists
      • Know the autoresponder series marketing method
      • Have joint many and got little in return
      • and think "not another report offered, with a sales pitch"..so you reject and dont opt in.
      But think of it in terms of the customer in your niche market(assuming you are in a non IM niche)

      They:
      • They are new to joining a list (assuming you are in a non IM niche)
      • They don't have a clue about email marketing,
      • They dont have a clue that you are slowly trying to make money of them
      • They want to find more information about tht niche
      • They have a problem which they came on your site to find the solution too,
      • They can potentially buy from your autoresponder, aslong as you provide them good content, and create a trust relationship with you
      So lets not get confused between 'us' internet marketers, and our 'customers' who have no clue about what an opt-in, email series, etc is.

      In other words- put yourself in your customers shoes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oconnor1
    I agree with Innocent, once you are used to seeing the opt-ins all the time its easy to get sick of them and or see through them. However, I can remember the first few times I saw them before I was involved in Internet Marketing and I definitely got eagerly entered my info. You just have to remember what its like when your not knee deep in it.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    People really do still subscribe to email NEWSLETTERS.

    That's the great thing about niches having nothing to do with make "money online and get rich quick with internet marketing".

    None of these issues apply.

    If you advertise it as HEY SIGN UP TO MY DIRECT EMAIL MARKETING LIST SO I CAN PUMP YOU WITH TERRIBLE COPY AND PIMP CRAP THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO BUY... well then yeah, opt-ins are going to tank in any vertical.
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    • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      HEY SIGN UP TO MY DIRECT EMAIL MARKETING LIST SO I CAN PUMP YOU WITH TERRIBLE COPY AND PIMP CRAP THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO BUY
      So I guess you won't be subscribing to my list then?

      I kid. I know exactly what you mean. People need to think of their lists like a TV channel or a magazine. People come for the CONTENT and they absorb the ads while they're there. Whether they're clearly ads, or it's advertorial - no one watches a TV channel of nothing but commercials. No one reads a magazine that's nothing but ads.

      (Of course, things like QVC, Home Shopping, and Mail-Order catalogs are different.)

      You want to know how to build a KILLER list? This is the secret to how we used to do it at StomperNet when I was there. Ready? Give people awesome stuff for free. Ask them for an email address. Keep sending them awesome stuff for free. Occasionally, send em something that's not for free, but talk about it in a way that connects up with all the free stuff you give them.

      The majority of production time when I was there was spent on generating content for the free-line side of the business. The free channel we had there at the time was MORE valuable than a lot of competing paid memberships were. That was the goal.

      Note: I haven't worked for StomperNet since I left voluntarily in August of last year, nor do I follow them now that I'm not an employee - I'm speaking strictly of how it was when I was there then. Things are different now from what I understand.

      Done. That's it. No big secret. You don't have to "sell" jack. I actually suck at selling. Don't tell anyone.

      What I'm good at is getting people to want to buy stuff on their own, and that's all about context and accumulation. Which is the whole point of creating the list. It's a context of CONTROL.

      It's your CHANNEL. You need to make people want to tune in, educate while you entertain, and then they will just want the stuff you promote. I can't explain it any simpler than that. Anyone who claims it's more difficult than that hasn't ever tried doing it this simple. I challenge you to test it.

      Back to the bit of text I quoted:

      I'm tempted to actually test that copy. I have one opt-in list that gets about 10 subs a month and it's for a dead project that never got off the ground. The home page is literally nothing but an opt in box that says "Don't subscribe here - who knows what terrible things might happen." 500+ subs later, and still going. I'm sure some of them are just bot spam, but still.
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  • Profile picture of the author Davioli
    I've been noticing something about MY behavior of late.

    I ignore almost all squeeze pages because I've seen too may that try and presell you from their first email.

    The only list I've subscribed to recently is the one by Kim Roach. Why?

    She delivered amazing value without asking me to sign up. She created a higher percieved value of her list simply by giving superb quality information on her blog. I think that's the future of list building(at least in the IM niche). Focus on giving quality before you make people Opt - in.
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