What's Your Big Picture?

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I've been thinking about my marketing approach, lately.

I browse several IM forums (too often...) and as I'm sure everyone does, I like to check out what other marketers are doing - visiting their sites, looking at their offers, sales-funnels, mails they send to their lists etc.

I'm seeing a certain contrast between what I find on the forums and what I see in my competition research (if I can call it that).

In the forums, there's always a lot of buzz about... well, about little things. "Will doing X get my site slapped?" "What is the best way to make $X in X days?" "Does this technique still work?" (a.k.a. "[Insert popular method here] is DEAD!!") "Best place to submit articles?" Etc. etc.

Successful marketers have businesses set up for themselves that go way beyond those little things. Sometimes, I'm just blown away when I see how a marketer integrates a new product into a whole network of information and other products.
You arrive at a landing page and there's something there for everyone. Mostly not on one page, but you find the different offers depending on what you do on the inital page. Maybe there's a free report or video training-course, just to get you on the list. Then there might be some lower-end offers, at very affordable prices, then there are higher-end offers you get access to through the list or after a sales etc.
And if you don't want to buy anything, there's a great affiliates-section with tons of helpful resources.

People with such a business are definitely making lots of money. And you know what?
If you had such a business set up, it would be you making lots of money.

Sure, it takes ages to set that all up and you need to take it step by step. But are you building towards something like that? Do you have a big picture project that you are continually working on?
Or is it just about sending that next promotional mail or cranking out some more articles to get a trickle of traffic to your minisite, or tweaking that landing page to bump up the ROI of a PPC campaign by a bit?

Those are the questions I've been asking myself. I'm always prone to experiment and try new stuff and while I like doing that and it's a lot of fun (and I've also had success with it), my online marketing is not following a big picture. Actually, it is, but the picture isn't big enough.


Okay, some self-reflection:
It's a bit of an issue that "market research" uncovers largely the workings of those marketeres who are product creators. I'm sure there are people killing it with "just" PPC or "just" list-marketing, but they don't really show up on the radar.
Also, I'm generalizing the contrast between forums and big marketers. I know it's more complicated than that.

Enough rambling for now. No-one's gonna read all this but that's okay, I just had to write this down somewhere.
#big #picture
  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    I have the elements you are speaking of in place, but like you, my big-picture was not big enough and recently I've been working on the next step. Actually, on reflection, that next step was actually one of the points you made in your post.

    A nice little bit of self-reflection there Shane. Keep working on that vision and eventually your own big-picture will become clear. Actually, from your words, I can see it is already forming in your mind.

    Good luck

    Will
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    • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
      Thanks for the feedback!

      Originally Posted by Will Edwards View Post

      I have the elements you are speaking of in place, but like you, my big-picture was not big enough and recently I've been working on the next step. Actually, on reflection, that next step was actually one of the points you made in your post.

      A nice little bit of self-reflection there Shane. Keep working on that vision and eventually your own big-picture will become clear. Actually, from your words, I can see it is already forming in your mind.

      Good luck

      Will
      Interesting to read this from you, Will. I guess there's almost always the possibility of thinking even bigger than before and we have to make sure we don't stagnate or rest on laurels.

      This big picture thing was a bit of an "ah-ha!" moment for me. Like one of the missing puzzle-pieces falling into place.
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  • Profile picture of the author futurestrategy
    No point in concentrating and trying out many techniques at same time.

    As it is understood IM results are a long procedure, it is always better to stick to one chosen technique and wait for good results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    Shane,

    I think that sadly, thinking big is not something a lot of people around here do...they want to earn big, but they don't want to work big. I can't stand all the fads and cheap tricks, and I am always looking for a long term business model.

    I don't think launching products and relying on the latest intel from a WSO is sustainable...the truth is, the real long term income comes from sound marketing, applied knowledge and an evergreen product to sell over time.

    However, you're right tho - the little tricks work well when you have something in place to apply them. Just like affiliate marketing works well when you already have a product/list to reach people with.
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  • Profile picture of the author rayx
    I don't spend much time on forums in fact... I just joined this forum, because I've been busy working on my 'big picture' ...having a plan in place to reach a goal is 100x better than aimlessly jumping from one thing to another... getting caught up in 'the little things' that won't make a difference much if you're not funneling quality traffic into a decent product funnel for lack of a better word
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  • Profile picture of the author soniia21
    The "big" picture can be broken down into small stages, and then these "little" stages can be tackled one at a time making it easier to get to the end result.

    There are lots of different methods to make it online and it can drive you insane with information overload! Personally it made sense when I looked at this...

    If you look at building a long term online business, what do all the successful marketers have in common?

    Their own list of subscribers! Yes, there's lots of other stuff they do but 9 times out of 10 it's from leveraging this one asset - the core of the business.

    Personally, the "little" stages to create the "big" picture are:

    1) Find a niche and a subject that you are interested in and one where people spend money! See if similar products are being sold in the market, check clickbank, google search results, ebay, blogs etc.

    2) Get a domain name, hosting and autoresponder.

    3) Put together a high value report to give away.

    4) Set-up your squeeze page with your opt-in form

    5) Drive targeted traffic.

    ...after this, it's much easier to promote affiliate stuff, your own stuff, create memberships sites and funnel them in...even test conversions of your future products, survey them and find out exactly what they want, participate in JV's etc. then it's easier to experience things like push button profits etc.

    The thing is, you can make money with PPC and stuff, but what happens if your account is closed, or fees increase? Your business literally changes overnight! With your own list, you've got long term security.

    Don't forget, the big successful marketers around have spent years and years working on their stuff which is why they can continue to leverage and enjoy security and the rewards.

    Just need to keep it simple, then rinse and repeat
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
    Thanks for the input, everyone!

    Very good point about the list. It's true that it seems almost every successful marketer has a big list.

    On the other hand, there are certain markets where lists aren't really suitable (as an example, quoting Griz: when you are "selling soap to people looking for soap").

    But in general, I think anyone's big picture should include building a list in order to build a relationship with the customers and having a back end.
    That's another thing about successful marketers: They almost always have a back end, where they offer bonuses, higher-ticket prices, coaching or things like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary McLean
    Hi Shane,
    I find this a fascinating question which would mean different things for every one reading it.
    For me, my long term goal is to succeed online.
    But before I could make that informed decision (I come from the pre tech era of T-Model Fords & candlesticks) I had to gain certain mastery of the online world, the terms, the language, the technology, the ever changing landscape & a bunch of other stuff I never imagined could exist, let alone believe I would be using such wizardry!

    So to develop a big picture, I did have to go visit forums & test out programs, as I knew zilch 2yrs ago...& only did my first Google online search in 2008!

    To create a big picture for myself became easier when I saw & understood the possibilities available.

    John Reese did it for me.
    I read his story & figured OK...I'm on it!

    Then I thought about people PAYING to attend Uni to study for 5 or 6 years just to earn $60,000 plus a year!

    My big picture then became...This is my University Degree.
    I will "complete my course" to a level of income by a certain date I've set & enjoy the process as I go.

    How cool is that?

    Traveling to overseas seminars, meeting awesome people online & then face to face, helping people earn extra income to supplement their incomes, learning stuff to-morrow that doesn't even exist to-day & having a ball as well!

    What a life!

    That's my big picture...

    Thanks,
    Poppie
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  • Profile picture of the author Gclunis
    Right now my big picture, my end results, would be to have 5 or 6 niche sites monetized through cpa each making around 1000 a month. So no, I don't have anything like that set up YET, but I definitely admire those set ups.

    Currently I am still working on my first niche site, still trying to figure out which traffic generation method works best for me, and still trying to convert banner clicks to sales. However, once I figure it out on this niche site and get it up to its target goal, the other 4 will be MUCH easier to create and maintain because the ground work would have already been there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
      Hmmmm.... "Selling Soap to People Looking For Soap" doesn't require a list?

      Then why in the heck do all the soap companies try to get you on their lists to offer you coupons, samples, and get you to reply to polls?

      Almost any market can have new ideas, new twists, new discounts, new offerings, and new innovations.

      Remember as part of your big picture, there might be more opportunity hiding under those people needing soap than you think.
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      • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
        Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

        I find that sooner or later pretty much everything you could want to know get's discussed on this forum, hence my not wasting time visiting others.

        I'm not suggesting I know it all by any means, but I think spending too much time visiting a lot of forums, checking out sales pages and so forth can be counter productive.

        Anyone who's been around for a while knows what they have to do...they just need to get out there and do it.
        Good point. I half agree with this.

        I've always been one for plunging in head first and "do the Nike".
        Sometimes you really do need more information and while it can be difficult to find (find the good blogs, good books, good sites etc.), it's essential to a certain point.

        But after a certain amount of research, you pass the point of needing more info. That's when you have to go out there and just do it.
        You're probably right, though, that there are more people who wait too long and are too afraid to just do what they actually know needs to be done, than people who do too much, too soon.


        Originally Posted by Mary McLean View Post

        My big picture then became...This is my University Degree.
        I will "complete my course" to a level of income by a certain date I've set & enjoy the process as I go.
        That's a very good approach, in my opinion. If you look at this as a learning process and as something that needs to be invested in before you can expect a return, you're much more likely to succeed than your average "rich-quick-seeker".


        Originally Posted by Gclunis View Post

        Right now my big picture, my end results, would be to have 5 or 6 niche sites monetized through cpa each making around 1000 a month.
        Thanks for sharing that.
        I think it's good to focus on things you have direct control over (like x number of niche-sites). I'm doing something very similar with my marketing plans.


        Originally Posted by KansasDragon View Post

        Hmmmm.... "Selling Soap to People Looking For Soap" doesn't require a list?

        Then why in the heck do all the soap companies try to get you on their lists to offer you coupons, samples, and get you to reply to polls?

        Almost any market can have new ideas, new twists, new discounts, new offerings, and new innovations.

        Remember as part of your big picture, there might be more opportunity hiding under those people needing soap than you think.
        Very good point. I agree that you can probably build a list and customer-relationship in every market in existance.

        However, it might not fit every marketing model. I think what Griz is talking about, when he mentiones the soap example is building fairly simple sites targeted at long-tail keywords where people are looking for something to buy and all you do is get your site in front of them and say "here's where you can get what you're looking for [link]".
        I've never tested opt-in vs. no opt-in and I'm curious to know if anyone has done that.
        I can imagine that for certain terms and markets, no opt-in would be the more profitable strategy. But as I said, I have yet to test this myself.
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