Another Clickbank Launch - Another Fake Screen Shot

[Jeremy Kelsall]

So, another super duper clickbank product is launched....

Guess what?

The proof of income screen shot is FAKE - lol?

No longer should anyone rely on "proof of income" as a way to determine whether or not a product is worthy of you making a purchase.

I'm not going to name the product or the creator - Just a heads up to pay attention.

[Hanz]

What about a video of the creator logging into his account and showing his proof of income? Is that more reliable?

[WD Mino]

LOL well you can't say they didn't try sad but true a lot of them are fake some are not but you know why bother it just really makes them look unprofessional
-WD

[francoza]

This happens on internet alot. People make fake income screen shots within seconds.

We all have to be careful and i highly recommend that don't go for the product just because of the screen shot.

but nowadays its all about luck...scamming is very common now.

Best Of Luck!

[Andrew Maule]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

So, another super duper clickbank product is launched....

Guess what?

The proof of income screen shot is FAKE - lol?

No longer should anyone rely on "proof of income" as a way to determine whether or not a product is worthy of you making a purchase.

I'm not going to name the product or the creator - Just a heads up to pay attention.

There is no such thing as proof online. People ask for proof of income for my CPA products, but I can't show it, know why? The income is from 10 different methods all at once, seeing proof, ironically, proves nothing. You have no idea how I made that money even if I did.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by Hanz

What about a video of the creator logging into his account and showing his proof of income? Is that more reliable?

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No, it wasn't long ago that someone was called out in the WSO section for shooting a "live" video - in reality they paused it at just the right time - then when the next page loaded it was full of Java Script.

Most "proof of income" you see in the CB realm is income derived from actually selling products to the masses in the IM niche - not applying the system they are selling. That is not an assumption on my part...that is pretty much fact.

[Andrew Maule]

Originally Posted by Hanz

What about a video of the creator logging into his account and showing his proof of income? Is that more reliable?

No, for all you know it isn't his account / no idea how he made that money, it could be entirely illegal/blackhat and you'd never know the difference.

[Matt Maiden]

Actually, I'm surprised we don't see more of this.

I mean with the percentage of people offline that are crooks and thieves you would think that those guys would be online where it appears to be easier pickin's.

Why try to set up a whole fake construction company that travels the country stealing the upfront material money when you can come online and create fake cars and jewelry?

I think it says something about our abilities here to immediately alert one another to it.
Like this post.

I also don't buy anything having to do with IM unless I know the person or someone I know can vouch for them. Just me.

Will I throw $10 or $20 bucks at a new writer to see how they do? Sure. But to go buy some crap from Clickbank? No.

[Rod Cortez]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

So, another super duper clickbank product is launched....

Guess what?

The proof of income screen shot is FAKE - lol?

No longer should anyone rely on "proof of income" as a way to determine whether or not a product is worthy of you making a purchase.

I'm not going to name the product or the creator - Just a heads up to pay attention.

This runs rampant all across the board. It's quite pathetic actually. Thanks for the heads up since some people are not aware of this.

What's beyond ridiculous is people offering to make these for others and others asking "how it's done." There are even websites where people buy and sell screen shots. It's become it's own underground industry.

From my own experience and research I've come to believe that most income claims are inaccurate. I've even had a few drunken marketers tell me at a seminar on more than one occasion how "stupid" people are when they were sharing their "gross" revenues and not their net profit (or just flat out lying about their net profits). I'm really disgusted by some of the people I've run into.

No wonder people are jaded. Sheesh, I'm jaded. lol

Originally Posted by Hanz

What about a video of the creator logging into his account and showing his proof of income? Is that more reliable?

I've seen those altered too. Not reliable in my book. In most cases, I base the value on a product or service by actually using it and testing it myself or having someone on our team test it. I ignore income claims.

RoD

[etreet]

income screen shot ?nobody believe that anymore,because they show your sales as merchant or affiliates,if as a merchant, bullsxxt,

[CmdrStidd]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

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No, it wasn't long ago that someone was called out in the WSO section for shooting a "live" video - in reality they paused it at just the right time - then when the next page loaded it was full of Java Script.

Most "proof of income" you see in the CB realm is income derived from actually selling products to the masses in the IM niche - not applying the system they are selling. That is not an assumption on my part...that is pretty much fact.

Not only that but with the use of the .NET framework I can recreate the IE design and make a fake login page that looks so real, no one could tell the difference. I would not even have to pause it, just start the video with the "browser" either minimized or even fully open. Then I could show whatever I wanted and again, no one would be the wiser.

Good rule of thumb, if they are guaranteeing a certain income, don't walk away...RUN LIKE YOU ARE BEING SHOT AT!!!

[Alan Petersen]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

So, another super duper clickbank product is launched....

Guess what?

The proof of income screen shot is FAKE - lol?

No longer should anyone rely on "proof of income" as a way to determine whether or not a product is worthy of you making a purchase.

I'm not going to name the product or the creator - Just a heads up to pay attention.

Hey Jeremy and any others who might know,

How about a few tips on how people can spot this type of fraudulent behavior in those screenshots?

In the case you're writing about out, how did you know? Might be able to help those folks who believe income proof screen shots. Especially if they're well done.

I did a video about this a couple years ago (without showing exactly how to do it) but just so people could see it in action. And I was surprised how many folks had no clue how easily this can be done.

[dualdtmz]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

So, another super duper clickbank product is launched....

Guess what?

The proof of income screen shot is FAKE - lol?

No longer should anyone rely on "proof of income" as a way to determine whether or not a product is worthy of you making a purchase.

I'm not going to name the product or the creator - Just a heads up to pay attention.

I thought ALL the products had fake screen shots! lol

[BIG Mike]

Well, the other question is...are those typical results?

[MWGrubb58]

I appreciate you mentioning something I suspected for a long time.

Didn't the FCC change the ground rules so you couldn't do that anymore?

Cheers,

Millard

[homebizoutlook]

I've almost given up on Clickbank products, anyone else feel the same way? At one point I made some decent money with Clickbank but have not been able to sustain it. Just curious what others think ...

[Jeremy Kelsall]

When I see a screenshot showing Income, I save the image and then enlarge it when I open it up...

I look for bars that don't match up

I look for javascript

and I look for "cursor" marks on the page

There are alot of giveaways, but the bottom line really is to not buy things based on how much money the product owner claims to have made from it...

Buy things based on what value the information itself means to you.

[All Night Cafe]

Thanks, for the heads up. I just logged in and found
the product being promoted by no less than 5 marketers.

I looked at the sales letter. I agree with what you
are warning people here about.

FTC did make new ruling, but I have noticed plenty
of marketers still using old practices. Maybe they'll
finally get caught.

[Dennis Gaskill]

I've been telling my readers not to believe any screenshots OR videos as proof of earnings. It's way to easy to fake the proof. Thanks for sending up yet another warning. It's going to be needed for a long time, I'm afraid, despite the new FTC regulations.

[dualdtmz]

Originally Posted by homebizoutlook

I've almost given up on Clickbank products, anyone else feel the same way? At one point I made some decent money with Clickbank but have not been able to sustain it. Just curious what others think ...

I've actually heard a lot pf people saying this exact same thing. Im wondering if clickbank is starting to take a plunge or if its just that time of year when CB does poorly? not sure but yeah its getting annoying. I just launched 44 sites targeting CB products and only made a couple sales so far.

[Zeus66]

Originally Posted by CmdrStidd

Good rule of thumb, if they are guaranteeing a certain income, don't walk away...RUN LIKE YOU ARE BEING SHOT AT!!!

Why? If they're really guaranteeing it and you pay via Paypal or a credit card, then you either get what they've guaranteed or you get your money back. I know what you mean, but the buyer has almost all the power when a seller makes such a ridiculous guarantee.

What Jeremy mentioned in the OP is why I typically wait for thread feedback before jumping at a WSO - if it's by someone I have no history with and who has no reputation to speak of here. Some Warriors I'll buy their stuff without even paying much attention to what it is each time. Same with opening some emails I get. The name alone will convince me.

John

[Steven Wagenheim]

What surprises me is that anybody is surprised by this.

If you look at 90% of my sales pages, they are missing 2 things.

1. Income Proof
2. Testimonials

Both can easily be BS'd so in most cases, I don't even bother.

I do occasionally use them and most of my income proof is video to at least
try to put the best method out there, not that many people believe it
anyway.

And testimonials, especially the big name gurus?

Most people think those guys are just part of the old boys club and paid
off.

I let the product and the offer and the guarantee speak for itself.

But you're right Jeremy, this is all such BS it's a wonder that anybody
buys anything from anybody in the IM make money niche.

It almost makes me ashamed to be a part of it.

[Hanz]

It's too bad really. Even when somebody posts real legitimate screen captures, people will think it's a farce.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by Zeus66

Why? If they're really guaranteeing it and you pay via Paypal or a credit card, then you either get what they've guaranteed or you get your money back. I know what you mean, but the buyer has almost all the power when a seller makes such a ridiculous guarantee.

Actually, for me anyway - the issue isn't the money - For most people, they can easily get their cash back, but noone can refund the time spent chasing some system that the guy/girl selling it hasn't even tested.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by Hanz

It's too bad really. Even when somebody posts real legitimate screen captures, people will think it's a farce.

I agree with Hanz on this one, the few genuine marketers who really might've made money following their strategy are gonna be looked over b/c of this reason..

[J.Cox]

well as the customer... it should not matter what they do... if they are through clickbank and they have a guarantee if you dont like the product simply get your money back... although I doo agree it is wrong

[Mike24]

And nowadays good marketers can't not just put some type of proof up (imo) as new buyers are starting to get more savvy and want to see some type of cash generation..i don't normally give much weight to testis but seeing them on a page is slightly comforting..

[SeanSupplee]

If its a clickbank screen shot and has clickbank as the order processor you can bet pretty well that the screen shot is legit. I know they ask the creator of the site to let them know what account the clickbank screenshot is from and if it does not match up they will not approve the site.

[genietoast]

I was about to say, "What about a video screen shot of someone logging into their own Clickbank account?"

Someone beat me to it.

[mojojuju]

Originally Posted by Hanz

What about a video of the creator logging into his account and showing his proof of income? Is that more reliable?

Maybe, but that can be faked as well.

[dualdtmz]

Originally Posted by SeanSupplee

If its a clickbank screen shot and has clickbank as the order processor you can bet pretty well that the screen shot is legit. I know they ask the creator of the site to let them know what account the clickbank screenshot is from and if it does not match up they will not approve the site.

They can always add the "fake" screen shot after the product has been approved...

[skullzzz]

Here's the deal with ClickBank: They will verify screen shots when a product is submitted for approval. The vendor has to provide the name of the account where the screen shot came from.

However, as has been pointed out, once the product is approved, the vendor can change the site. ClickBank has maybe 6 people looking at incoming products for approval. It's impossible for them to police all the products that have already been approved.

Best practice? Send them an email: abuse at clickbank.com and ask if the screen shot is real. They will review it, either confirm it or pull the product and usually reply to your email. They want to keep the marketplace as clean as possible.