How Do You View Other Marketers?...Competition Or Colleagues?

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How do you view other marketers?...Competition or colleagues?

Do you know Dean Shainin?

He's another article marketer.

Do you know that selling Dean's products has made me a nice chunk of
change...even though we are essentially competitors?

I think way too many marketers look at the competition as just
that...competition.

Truth is, by working with other marketers instead of against them, you can
actually make it better in the long run.

If I took away all the income I have made online has I decided that I
wasn't going to work with a competitor, I'd be a lot poorer than I am now.

Question is, how do you work with your competition?

There are lots of ways. For one thing, if somebody is selling a product
similar to yours, it doesn't mean that it's the exact same product. There
may be things that his product has that yours doesn't and vice versa.

Dean's product went into more depth on EZA than mine and mine had
more info on writing itself.

Together, they were a perfect fit. So I offered mine (at the time) as a
bonus for people buying Dean's.

These are the kinds of things, as marketers, you should be looking for.

It is so much easier to make friends with your competition than it is to
beat them outright...at least in my experience.

So let me throw that disclaimer out there right now. This may not work
for YOUR business model.

For example, I doubt that Aweber and GetResponse have anything to be
gained by working together and most likely never will. That's understandable
given their product.

But in the case of me and Dean, there was very little conflict of interest
and it worked out...for both of us.

If nothing else, it's something to consider before you head out to beat
your competition into the ground.

Also, you can learn a lot from your competition, especially if they're
successful.

Head on over the Clickbank and look at the top products in your niche
and see if you can figure out why they're so successful.

Sign up for their AR series, if they have one, and study it.

Go to Spyfu and see what kind of money they're spending on ads.

Read their articles if they write them. See what it is they're writing about.

You can learn a lot from your competition if you spend the time.

But back to my question.

How do you view other marketers in your niche?

Competition or Colleagues?

Or a little of both?
#colleagues #marketerscompetition #view
  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I view them as both. I study the top competitors in any niche I go into because they've done 99% of the research for me. Almost without fail I end up partnering with one or more of them because in some of the niches I'm involved with I bump into them at seminars, networking events, and sometimes, in the field! (Think the dating / pua niche.....hahahaha). And viola, I find out that some of these cats are pretty cool guys.

    I see the competition less and less as "competitors" per se and more of a compliment to my business? Why? Well, we all have different angles, philosophies, etc and no two products are exactly alike. I'm also very competitive in nature, so I like swapping stories with some of my competitors. I've even become good friends with some of them.

    My business and my own personal growth is much better for it. I dig the competition. Bring it on!

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    • Profile picture of the author Dean Shainin
      I view them as competition and colleagues. If I know someone here on the Warrior Forum it's much easier for me to view someone as yourself Steven as a colleague. For me, I need to be able to trust someone first and that takes knowing the marketer in some way first...

      I've formed several JV's here on the Warrior Forum with marketers that are in the same niche and it works out great for my lists.

      Thank You Steven for all you have done while working together...

      Cheers,
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      • Profile picture of the author bryrho
        Collegues....I believe we can learn a lot from each other, we all have the same endgame afterall.

        However, if we are targeting the same keyword using the same traffic sources then we are competition......may the best man/woman win
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  • Profile picture of the author Branlan17
    I dunno, there's so much to learn and do when it comes to IM that I feel there is opportunity/room for everyone, even if you have to compete for KWs etc from time to time. I never lose sight of the fact that they are competitors, but I like to lean more towards the colleague side of things : )


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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    How do you view other marketers?...Competition or colleagues?
    Colleagues.

    Businesses are competition. People are colleagues. I may be in competition with a company, but the owner and his staff are still colleagues, and in general I like to be friendly with colleagues.
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  • Profile picture of the author mlord10
    Colleagues. I have some successful affiliate blogs, but a lot of my work now is going toward consulting. Whether online or offline I meet people that I team up on projects with. I believe that you can learn from your competition, and the more you treat them like colleagues the better off you are going to be.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    To tell you the truth I don't worry about competition. I just focus on what I can control, which is the quality of my own products. I guess by default then, I view them as colleagues.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    Competitive colleagues
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Some are my colleagues, and we end up working together (even if we compete on some things).

      Others are just competition.

      It all depends upon the marketer. What are they like? Good ethics? Someone I enjoy working or collaborating with?
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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        Some are my colleagues, and we end up working together (even if we compete on some things).

        Others are just competition.

        It all depends upon the marketer. What are they like? Good ethics? Someone I enjoy working or collaborating with?
        I agree with you Kevin.

        It comes down to the actual person, how they treat me (and their clients) now AND in the past. ARe they professionally courteous or are they condescendingly stuck up? I find that it is either one way or the other and there really isn't an in-between (for the most part).

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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    I simply stopped giving a f*** what others were doing
    and just doing me. There's way to much to go around to
    fight over a piece of meat.

    I bless those now who do what I do. And I welcome them
    with open arms to share the wealth.

    I find no satisfaction and working hard to take food off
    someone elses table because of my ego. Some people do,
    but you would never hear them actually admit it. Just look
    at their actions. That tells the story.

    I see everyone as my collegues. Not enemy's.

    I enjoy competition to better one another, but not to put
    down each other. counter productive in advancing society.

    I wouldn't wish financial death even amongst my worst
    enemy. So I have none.
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    • Profile picture of the author Isaachun
      Competition and colleagues are just labels. Labels are neither good nor bad. The only meaning of a label is it's usefullness.

      So I would use the label of competition when it is useful to do so, eg. when doing market research on my niche. How many competitors sites, how many competitor is targeting my keywords.

      And I would use the label colleagues when I'm interacting with them in forums, working on a project with them.

      i also find there is no need to treat your 'competition' as someone who's competing for the same market or same amount of cash in your buyer's pocket. There is enough for everyone. If a certain niche is highly competitive, I just save my energy for another niche which will bring me the same or even more return. This is a choice between an abundance mentality and a scarcity mentality.

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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
    I was in the 'all colleagues' category. Only had one bad JV, and it was really bad... although, I wouldn't consider them competition...just VERY dangerous to get involved with.

    My youth was probably the biggest factor in that. Now, I don't get excited until I see the mailing or the finished product/service... wish it could all be business over a handshake, but there are a lot of marketers who just see the quick buck (even the big ones.)
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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    Hi guys

    i view them as both - the good ones as colleagues and the bad ones as competition.

    The scammers that you dont trust or those that do business in a bad way can never be colleagues as you would never want to recommend them to others as an affiliate or jv partner.

    Just like those that copy your content will never be colleagues (and trust me it happens a lot - you would be amazed by how many people have copied my ezine stories).

    I tend it give people the benefit of the doubt and any new niches i get involved in or new people i meet at conferences i always view as colleagues first.

    Not to mention many of these colleagues then become friends.

    kind regards


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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by dsmpublishing View Post

      i view them as both - the good ones as colleagues and the bad ones as competition.
      How exactly are the bad ones competition? They're not in the same business you are. Bluefartery and scammage are a whole different game. They're no more your competition than McDonald's is to Home Depot.

      I mean, you never see Mexicans looking for work outside a McDonald's, do you? <GDR>
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        How exactly are the bad ones competition? They're not in the same business you are. Bluefartery and scammage are a whole different game. They're no more your competition than McDonald's is to Home Depot.

        I mean, you never see Mexicans looking for work outside a McDonald's, do you? <GDR>
        Hypothetical situation.

        Let's say my main thing is creating products about how to article market.
        So my competition is anybody creating similar products.

        Let's say one of my competitors uses black hat methods to get traffic and
        in addition to that, posts lies about me and my products on his blog.

        He is certainly bad, a total thorn in my side, but sadly, he is still my
        competition if he's selling the same products I am.

        Unfortunately, how a person conducts their business has little to do with
        whether or not they're my competitor.
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    I view everyone as a colleague. Unless they are a scammer. Every market has more than enough room for 1 marketer. And everyone has pretty much the same goal. Plus, you can collaborate and help each other.
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    As potential employers ...
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I view them as both and have profited by "my competition". I have purchased many products from one of my strongest competitors, and consider him a friend and colleague. That doesn't mean that I will stop competing, but in this case, I try to work with him rather than against him so that we both profit.

    If you make an enemy out of all of your competitors, you are going to have a lot of enemies.
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  • Profile picture of the author butters
    I see them as competition, obviously but instead of colleagues, I would of gone along the lines of something like, I can help you and you can help me, lets do business type of thing. Colleagues seems a bit personal to me I would say more of a business friendship really.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Many times, both.

      If you follow NFL football, you've heard about the Manning brothers. Peyton and Eli play quarterback for competing teams. When the two teams meet, each will do their darnedest to make sure their team comes out on top. As soon as the final whistle blows, they are brothers again.

      Unless they do something to earn the title, I think the best way to eliminate an enemy is to make them a friend. It's one of the secrets of Attila the Hun.

      Say that name, and people picture an endless horde of ruthless barbarians in leather clothes, swarming over the countryside and levaing nothing but smoking ruins in their wake.

      In truth, many of the biggest battles Attila won never actually took place. He was a master at finding ways to get what he wanted and still let his enemy prosper. Many major battles were "won" when both sides got to serve their self interest.
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