"I'll Show You How I Earn $250/ Day" (Yet In Another Post You Were Complaining How Poor You Were)

14 years ago

Many people either don't realize that others will research their prior
activity here or just think we're stupid.

I don't know, but yeah, I see it too and it makes me just shake my head
and wonder.

Folks, if you're going to try to pull one over on us, have enough intelligence
not to expose the truth of your ineptness in other areas of the forum.

That's just plain dumb. :confused:

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Dan C. Rinnert

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

The person claimed to make XYZ amount of money per day yet in an earlier post in the main forum they were complaing on how broke they were. What the....???

How earlier? As in earlier in the day, or earlier in the year?

If it's the latter, they could have learned and started to make $XYZ per day since their first post.

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Heidi White

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

How earlier? As in earlier in the day, or earlier in the year?

If it's the latter, they could have learned and started to make per day since their first post.

Also, they could be broke because they have expensive an lifestyle, just got divorced, had a great corp job and lost it and still need to make payments on the big house and fancy car, not necessarily because they aren't making money in IM. - maybe just not making enough - yet.

But - these instances are probably the exception to the OP's point.

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andr3w84 14 years ago

Yep, you are right Rod. DD always on all your investments. That would involve checking their previous comments, and verifying that the seller in fact have the experience / track record to come up with such and such WSOs.
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Mohammad Afaq

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

How earlier? As in earlier in the day, or earlier in the year?

If it's the latter, they could have learned and started to make per day since their first post.

I totally agree with you. If that person asked a question about how to make money a year ago I don't think it should matter. I don't even think it should matter if it was 2 or 3 months before the date you searched.

It's a problem if 2 days ago a person is asking that he is broke and 2 days later he is selling a WSO on How to make money online.

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Louise Green

14 years ago

I've noticed it too.. it would be funny if they weren't taking people's hard earned cash along the way.

All it takes is a simple search and the answers are there, I assume most people will check out a poster before buying from them, but there's always going to be a small number who don't. Shame.

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Terri Tutten

14 years ago

Rod,

I have to say that I totally agree with you. I hear so many people on the outside complaining that IM is nothing but a bunch of rip-off artists, and worse, and it's primarily (I believe) because of this exact issue. People who complain in this forum or even another one that they still aren't making any money yet - then post an offer that they claim they've discovered that will make you rich practically overnight.

This only adds to the bad rep that you can't make a full time living doing this, because you most certainly can - if you consistently work at it. It's not an overnight process, and people who are wildly successful most probably didn't get there in a week or two.

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newton

14 years ago

Yeah I've noticed it a couple of times, one recently which might be the one the OP is talking about.

You can start earning money fast if you find something that works and put the effort in, so just because they were broke a few months ago doesn't mean they are now.

But I do doubt that this happens in most cases.

I always look for proof that something works, rather than "I'm not earning XXX daily but if you follow my plan YOU can be".

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Rod, you make a very good point. And often, some of these perpetrators aren't malicious. They just don't know better. There's such a thing as business ethics, and unfortunately, not a lot of internet marketing courses contain one bit of it. So whether it's willful, or simply because someone mistakenly thinks it's okay, or that's how it's done - sincerity is often mistaken for honesty.

If you're not making money, you shouldn't purport to be able to teach people how to earn money. If you want to create an informational report and market it as such, fine. But don't be tempted to create "how to" material and sell it based on potential results that you yourself haven't gotten.

Not only is it unethical, depending on where you live, it could be illegal.

The problem is, a lot of the people that fall into that trap don't realize there's so much potential to earn IN THIS NICHE without having to base it on financial outcomes at all. You could make the best video tutorial on how to install and configure Wordpress for SEO best practices (as an example) and not have to be raking in the dough to sell that product with honesty and integrity.

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Dan C. Rinnert 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

If you're not making money, you shouldn't purport to be able to teach people how to earn money.

How many teachers and professors in business schools and colleges would need to be fired if that were strictly enforced?
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- Colin Theriot 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert
  
  How many teachers and professors in business schools and colleges would need to be fired if that were strictly enforced?
  
  I know you're right there, but professors aren't running ads promising how their courses will make you millions. An education is typically marketed as informational rather than a business opportunity.
  
  Typically the only guarantee you get from a school or university is that if you pass the courses and pay the tuition, you'll get a diploma for all that's worth. I've got one. Haven't used it (but it's for painting and drawing, so it's not the degree's fault).
  
  I know you were just funning, but it does bring up a good point.
  
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  Dan C. Rinnert 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Colin Theriot
  
  I know you were just funning, but it does bring up a good point.
  
  Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.
  
  There's no doubt that due diligence needs to be done before purchasing anything that claims to make you money, but you can't necessary draw too much from past comments, even if they are (or were) broke.
  
  As MostlyHarmless suggested, there are any number of reasons why they might be making good money in IM, but still be broke.
  
  Some people might just spend money faster than it comes in too. They could be experts at making money, but amateurs at keeping it.
  
  Others might have done solid research at how to make money online, but they themselves may be poor on the implementation. Likewise, they could have learned the techniques through interviews with people that are making $XYZ per day.
  
  I think it's important not to jump to conclusions. Just because someone is broke doesn't necessarily mean their product isn't solid. We often don't know of the circumstances surrounding them.
  
  And, if someone tells the truth--here's how to make $XYZ per day but I'm broke because my wife ran off with everything--there's a good chance people will think he's trying to use pity to push his product. So, you can't always win.
  
  That all being said, however, I do recognize that there are products no doubt being offered by people that haven't made $XYZ per day, that haven't researched how to make $XYZ per day, that haven't interviewed anyone making $XYZ per day, and are just rehashing stuff they've heard will work or think might work but has never been tried by anyone.
  
  I just think it's important to look at the big picture and not jump to any conclusions.
  
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Riz

14 years ago

I noticed this happening a lot back in late 2008 after an offline marketing thread became extremely popular.

There were members saying 'what a brilliant idea' - how do i.....? 'how do i do this......?' etc etc.

About a week later they were selling wso's left right and center on how they are making bank for years through offline consulting.

It made me wanna puke.

People would take their word for it, buy their product and more likely than not start implementing their rehashed or unproven strategies and then wonder why they fell flat on their face.

It is unfair on the buyers who are sold a dream and personally i don't know how these so called marketers sleep at night knowing they have just duped and conned some other poor warrior/marketer looking to make a living.

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JEL0221

14 years ago

:It had to be a couple months ago, but I saw a post where someone new to the forum was posting how they were looking to make a sale....or something along those lines.

I take a gander down to their sig....."How I make thousands every day, step by step..."

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Dan C. Rinnert

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JEL0221

:It had to be a couple months ago, but I saw a post where someone new to the forum was posting how they were looking to make a sale....or something along those lines.

I take a gander down to their sig....."How I make thousands every day, step by step..."

Well that is pretty much a weekly occurrence.

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Rod Cortez 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

Well that is pretty much a weekly occurrence.

I thought it was every Tuesday and Saturday Dan.........

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JEL0221 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

Well that is pretty much a weekly occurrence.

All the more entertainment for me
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Midas3 Consulting

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

For example, not too long ago someone put up a WSO,The person claimed to make XYZ amount of money per day yet in an earlier post in the main forum they were complaing on how broke they were. What the....???

In addition to those you also get the WSO owners posting their "make x in x" drivel whilist on the same day asking some other WSO owner for a discount on their $20 WSO...

So essentially despite making 1 trillion dollars a year you can't afford a $20 WSO.

even had a couple of testimonials singing it's praises,

Frankly WSO testimonials , for the most part arn't worth the virtual paper they are written on.

Most of them are given before the person has even actually employed the technique in the WSO, they give them rave reviews based on the fact they like the idea.

Ideas are great, real world application and ROI are entirely different.

I've seen WSO span pages with people falling over themselves to repeat each other and two months later down the road , you can't find a single person who made more than $50 from the WSO.

Indeed, take WSO's , so called earnings and testimonials , all with a very very large pinch of salt.

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MadameBusiness

14 years ago

I think the main point here is, whether you are starting out or have been in it for a while, it's vitally important to be responsible for everything you write on the Internet.
Everything comes back to you.
Start off the way you mean to go on.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

There are always exceptions to the rules. I could have been an exception a couple years ago. I'd been earning my living online for years, but when a hacker struck and my site was knocked out of the search engines, my income plummeted and we were living off our savings. I knew how to make money, but I wasn't making much because of the circumstances.

However, because there are exceptions doesn't take anything away from Rod's post. There are enough fakers out there that one should be aware of it and know how to do their due diligence before spending your spondoolies on their offer.

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DogScout

14 years ago

I'm not in the IM niche so if I ever did a WSO it would be free. Then if you spent the time to implement it, it would be your own fault for doing what someone named 'DogScout' suggested.

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timpears

14 years ago

The ones that I really get a kick out of is those that are asking for help to make money on the web or some other simple question, and then in their signature they have a link to something like "how to make $500 a day with ...".

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Daniel Brock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by timpears

The ones that I really get a kick out of is those that are asking for help to make money on the web or some other simple question, and then in their signature they have a link to something like "how to make $500 a day with ...".

Could be an affiliate link in some cases...

Unless of course it goes straight to their WSO offer :p

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silvervixen

14 years ago

I have a different take on this: maybe the person is simply trying to earn money. Maybe they bought a course that instructed them to create that WSO.

Maybe they've decided to create their own product (like many here advise doing.) They have to start somewhere.

Maybe I'm a little naive, but I prefer to think that most members are honest.

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by silvervixen

Maybe I'm a little naive, but I prefer to think that most members are honest.

I mean, I'd prefer to think that to, but it's dangerous to assume everyone is honest. You choose what you prefer, but whether or not people is honest is not something you can choose. The attitude you express is a naive one, and it's one that others will take advantage of in your lifetime. Guaranteed.

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silvervixen

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Theriot

I mean, I'd prefer to think that to, but it's dangerous to assume everyone is honest. You choose what you prefer, but whether or not people is honest is not something you can choose. The attitude you express is a naive one, and it's one that others will take advantage of in your lifetime. Guaranteed.

I understand that and I have been taken to the cleaners a time or two since I began my work-at-home adventure.

My point is some people may just be trying to get their foot in the door, and to assume they're being dishonest simply because they ever had a thread on the forum about how they were having a rough time is a little harsh.

By all means, take what ANYONE says with a grain of salt, but at the same time, give people a chance. Just sayin'.

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WD Mino

14 years ago

Originally Posted by silvervixen

I understand that and I have been taken to the cleaners a time or two since I began my work-at-home adventure.

My point is some people may just be trying to get their foot in the door, and to assume they're being dishonest simply because they ever had a thread on the forum about how they were having a rough time is a little harsh.

By all means, take what ANYONE says with a grain of salt, but at the same time, give people a chance. Just sayin'.

This is a prime example of how people get taken advantage of .
If someone purports to you or I that they make x amount of dollars per day week month or year and then as it turns out they are not that is completely dishonest, unintegral, and down right shady.

This is business we are not here to just give chances in cases like this it after all is not a personality thing it is a downright scam and that needs to be not only addressed but exposed so others do not get ripped off.

Always check someone out I mean in offline business you wouldn't just jump into a sale from someone with a bankruptcy sign on their house with a claim of their business making 100 k a yr right? don't be fooled be wise due dilligence
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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by silvervixen

I have a different take on this: maybe the person is simply trying to earn money. Maybe they bought a course that instructed them to create that WSO.

Maybe they've decided to create their own product (like many here advise doing.) They have to start somewhere.

Maybe I'm a little naive, but I prefer to think that most members are honest.

I don't think that is naive at all. Trust others, and they will trust you back. Distrust others and all of a sudden everyone is out to cheat you.

That being said...

While you are not being naive for trusting people, it WOULD be naive to trust them without verification.

I know that will sound like a contradictory statement to some people, but it isn't. You can trust someone during the entire verification process (also called due diligence). You aren't trying to catch them lying, you are trying to prove they're telling the truth.

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Colin Theriot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

I know that will sound like a contradictory statement to some people, but it isn't. You can trust someone during the entire verification process (also called due diligence). You aren't trying to catch them lying, you are trying to prove they're telling the truth.

You know, I like the way you put this. On re-reading it I think my previous response to the same post you're referring to may have come off like I'm some kind of distrusting misanthrope. I'm really not, so I'm glad you said it this way.

I think of it as being like how in our American legal system, the accused is innocent until proven guilty. The problem is that a lot of times, people can feel like they are the defender in the case, taking the accused's word for things, and arguing against any possible negatives that come up.

Rather, you should think of yourself as a fair DA on the prosecuting side. You're not out to make a criminal out of anyone, and you assume people are honest and innocent, and your job is to verify that they're representing the truth.

That's not the *greatest* example since if you're on trial, you're already accused. But in a way, anyone who is asking for your trust should be "put on trial" in a manner of speaking.

But if you concern yourself with looking to verify the truth rather than snooping for dirt, you never have to worry about being unfair towards anyone.

Newbies should keep this in mind any time you encounter someone who seems to be hiding the details that might be required to make an informed decision about doing business with them.

No legitimate business person will ever be insulted when asked to provide proof of claims or respond to reasonable questions.

Truth is freeing, and the people that hide the truth often do so to make unwitting slaves out of other people in one way or another. Seeming trustworthy isn't enough. People must PROVE trustworthy before you allow trust to supersede proof.

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Chris Worner

14 years ago

What I find amusing are the WSO's that teach you 'how to make $1000 a day' being sold for $3

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MJ Sterling 14 years ago

Originally Posted by skyfox7

What I find amusing are the WSO's that teach you 'how to make $1000 a day' being sold for $3

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Where? I can't find any that low priced
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- Kay King 14 years ago
  
  I know it's popular to be contrarian - but why come up with excuses for why some imaginary person might be excused for doing what the OP mentions?
  
  It's like taking sides with a mythical beast - even when you are on his team, he doesn't exist.
  
  Giving someone a chance doesn't mean giving them your money - Rod's just advising some common sense. An uncommon trait sometimes.
  
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Ron Douglas

14 years ago

This reminds me of a funny thread we did awhile back:
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...re-faking.html

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Todd S

14 years ago

I'm fairly new here Aug 09 and I've seen these things your talking about I want to put my two cents in. Newbies are sold the dream of making millions online instantly and the products being sold tell them to do just what is being discussed here(Yes I bought into the hype and bought multiple courses) and I'm just glad I didn't do anything shady I couldn't justify selling a course on how to make money when I hadn't. I found a mentor who graciously taught me to deliver value first consistently with integrity and then and only then sell to them.

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mello

14 years ago

Seriously, it's about integrity.

If someone is bunging on a WSO with the intent to make a quick buck with never having made one [other than now selling to a voracious forum like WF

] then they deserve to get the bad rep they'll earn.

If they are putting on a WSO that explains how they have already ACTUALLY made money (even if they are known previously not to have done) then fair enough. The question is proof - how will you know?

As stated before, check out any WSO offerror through the tools on the forum before parting with your hard-earned ... geez if only I'd done that myself in the past!!

Here's to integrity in IM. Long may it live.

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Anna Johnson

14 years ago

I know it's popular to be contrarian - but why come up with excuses for why some imaginary person might be excused for doing what the OP mentions?

It's like taking sides with a mythical beast - even when you are on his team, he doesn't exist.

Giving someone a chance doesn't mean giving them your money - Rod's just advising some common sense. An uncommon trait sometimes.

I agree. The sad reality is that there ARE people who are selling 'how to make money online' products who simply aren't making money online themselves. Those of us who have been this forum long enough (in my case since 2005) have seen these types come and go... and unfortunately we're still seeing them come and go!

Sure, you could excuse them on the 'do what I say, not what I do' basis, but NOT when their sales pitch is based on 'do what I do'. That's just misleading and, frankly, sad.

But Rod isn't really condemning these people so much as warning us all to do our due diligence when it comes to buying something. The key message is to not just assume that because someone makes an attractive claim they really know what they're talking about. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Maybe their selling something that really works, and they've got their own reasons for not putting it into practice... and maybe not.

Just do your due diligence, know who you're buying from, know what they're selling, and THEN decide whether or not to go ahead with the purchase.

(Can the 'do your due diligence' and 'buyer beware' messages be repeated too often?)

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niteout

14 years ago

Being new myself, I appreciate this post. I came into the forum thinking everyone here was professional and honest.

I picked up a couple of the wso's. The first one was very good and has actually helped me immensely.

But, the second one cost me three times what the first one did and I was a little concerned as soon as I looked it over. I think it is exactly what the OP is referring to.

After reading this, I looked for the authors posts and I'm thinking maybe he is just as new to this as I am.

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