Gmail alternatives advice needed

SirThomas

14 years ago

Lisa, what's wrong with Buzz? You know, you don't have to use it?

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Lisa Gergets

14 years ago

Yup, I do know, and I've already disabled it.

It's the intrusion...it was just there and created yet another distraction. And then adding people to the "list" automatically?

Nope, I'm done.

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kyhell

14 years ago

i would think that Buzz could be yet another very useful marketing tool

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Lisa Gergets

14 years ago

This isn't a debate about Buzz. Sorry to have to interject that but I'm just looking for alternatives.

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Jesus Perez

14 years ago

I gave up on Gmail a long time ago. I keep my @bluesquares.us email at my host and use Thunderbird to access it via IMAP. Very solid solution.

You can also keep your email forever without the worry of losing it.

Plus, @gmail.com looks unprofessional when communicating with clients.

Another good solution is Google Apps with your own domain name. I'm pretty sure Google Buzz won't be released to Google Apps.

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Lisa Gergets

14 years ago

Thanks BlueSquares-that seems like a very easy-to-implement solution.

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Use your own server mail ... Do not mess with 3rd parties ... Why allow them access to your business email ??? This is one thing I will never understand about people on the internet.

You pay for a server, use the mail which is clear of any ads and intrusion...

James

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Zeus66

14 years ago

James Stein: I'm a dumbass.

Gergets, you worry too much. But just set up an email account through cpanel and use it via one of the webmail clients. More of a hassle than gmail, but won't let "them" see what you do and come get you.

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TheRichJerksNet 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Zeus66

James Stein: I'm a dumbass.

Says the king of gay flying monkeys ....:p

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- Zeus66 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet
  
  Says the king of gay flying monkeys ....:p
  
  James
  
  Touche, my brother, touche. You win... this round.
  
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George Wright

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Zeus66

James Stein: I'm a dumbass.

Gergets, you worry too much. But just set up an email account through cpanel and use it via one of the webmail clients. More of a hassle than gmail, but won't let "them" see what you do and come get you.

Now I must say something that I've been thinking for a long time.

There are a lot of people out there selling hosting. It's really easy to do. I have 2 reseller accounts myself with a couple of hundred sites set up, all unique accounts with different URLs.

All the sites are mine, I don't really resell to others.

Do you all realize that any reseller, any host company including resellers have full access to your accounts including but not limited to password protected areas, EMAIL ACCOUNTS (ALL OF THEM) etc. etc.

Any Joe Blow who has a "Hosting Company" can read all your email if you are his customer.

Is it just me or would you rather trust your email to Google with a LOT to lose if they get caught doing illegal activities in your personal account, or some guy working out of his garage who has 2,000 customers on a reseller account that he got from hostgator or eBay. Anyone who has access to my PC has full access to all my reseller accounts, emails and all. Again I emphasize I don't resell but hundreds/thousands do.

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Adam Sussman

14 years ago

Hi Lisa,

If you want a 3rd party alternative to gmail, see what you think of GMX

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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Lisa, I kept my gmail account, but I only use it for things like opt-ins and follow-ups on product updates.

For sensitive emails, I set up accounts through the various cPanels, then manage them in one place using Thunderbird. I set up separate sets of folders for each account so I don't get them mixed up. Works well for pen names and social accounts, too. All the confirmations get funneled into a folder for handling.

Once you get the junk filters trained, they work pretty well, although there are a few stubborn ones that just don't seem to get caught.

HTH

Edit: you can monitor your cPanel email accounts via web mail, with two or three different apps available. If you use the thumb drive version of Roboform, it's not a big hassle, but with the web mail apps you don't get the spam filters.

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TheNightOwl

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Lisa, I kept my gmail account, but I only use it for things like opt-ins and follow-ups on product updates.

For sensitive emails, I set up accounts through the various cPanels, then manage them in one place using Thunderbird. I set up separate sets of folders for each account so I don't get them mixed up. Works well for pen names and social accounts, too. All the confirmations get funneled into a folder for handling.

Once you get the junk filters trained, they work pretty well, although there are a few stubborn ones that just don't seem to get caught.

HTH

Edit: you can monitor your cPanel email accounts via web mail, with two or three different apps available. If you use the thumb drive version of Roboform, it's not a big hassle, but with the web mail apps you don't get the spam filters.

John, I would luuuuurrrrve to hear more about this. I'm with Lisa. I think Buzz might be the last straw for me, too. I was thinking this yesterday, actually. Probably something I read here! LOL!

Is your system complicated? If not, and you have the time and inclination, would it be too much to ask for some more details about how you've got it configured?

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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheNightOwl

For sensitive emails, I set up accounts through the various cPanels, then manage them in one place using Thunderbird. I set up separate sets of folders for each account so I don't get them mixed up. Works well for pen names and social accounts, too. All the confirmations get funneled into a folder for handling.

Once you get the junk filters trained, they work pretty well, although there are a few stubborn ones that just don't seem to get caught.

John, I would luuuuurrrrve to hear more about this. I'm with Lisa. I think Buzz might be the last straw for me, too. I was thinking this yesterday, actually. Probably something I read here! LOL!

Is your system complicated? If not, and you have the time and inclination, would it be too much to ask for some more details about how you've got it configured?

Cheers,
TheNightOwl

It's really not that complicated...

1. Set up the email account via cPanel in your hosting account. Record the username, password and incoming and outgoing mail servers for that domain. (Most of the time, these will be the same, likely "mail.example.com")

2. Fire up Thunderbird. For each email account, you'll want a corresponding account set up in Thunderbird. Under the Tools menu, select Account Settings.

3. Click the Add Account button. Fill in the account setup form. When you get to the Server Settings screen, fill in the incoming mail server for that account and uncheck "Use Global Inbox". That tells Thunderbird that you want a separate set of folders for that account.

Optional (I don't do this unless I'm worried about someone connecting me to my default account.):

Click on the Outgoing Server (SMTP) account. Set up an additional outgoing server for the account you want to protect.

Click Manage Identities back on the Account Settings screen.

Set up an identity for the account you want to protect.

Set the outgoing server.

Assign locations under the "Copies & Folders" tab.

If you choose to skip the optional part, your outgoing email will go through the server of the default account (usually the first one you set up). It will still show the correct information in the email, but the server information will be in the headers.

Now, the only thing you'll have to watch is if you initiate an email, you'll have to choose which account you want sending it. When you click the "Write" button to compose an email, you'll have a drop down menu of the accounts available. Just pick the one you want to send from, and you're good to go.

I'll try to answer questions, but it's actually easier to do than explain...

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

Nice post john ...

I use cpanel mail - I do pay for hosting so why not use what I pay for. I have all my mail picked up every 5 minutes and added to the Apple Mail app that comes with Mac. I can label, sort, filter, and all that good stuff.

The thing I like is all my mail is stored on my hard-drive and auto deleted off the server. Thus I keep all my mail exactly where I can view it and have access to it and nobody else.

James

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

It's really not that complicated...

1. Set up the email account via cPanel in your hosting account. Record the username, password and incoming and outgoing mail servers for that domain. (Most of the time, these will be the same, likely "mail.example.com")

2. Fire up Thunderbird. For each email account, you'll want a corresponding account set up in Thunderbird. Under the Tools menu, select Account Settings.

3. Click the Add Account button. Fill in the account setup form. When you get to the Server Settings screen, fill in the incoming mail server for that account and uncheck "Use Global Inbox". That tells Thunderbird that you want a separate set of folders for that account.

Optional (I don't do this unless I'm worried about someone connecting me to my default account.):

Click on the Outgoing Server (SMTP) account. Set up an additional outgoing server for the account you want to protect.

Click Manage Identities back on the Account Settings screen.

Set up an identity for the account you want to protect.

Set the outgoing server.

Assign locations under the "Copies & Folders" tab.

If you choose to skip the optional part, your outgoing email will go through the server of the default account (usually the first one you set up). It will still show the correct information in the email, but the server information will be in the headers.

Now, the only thing you'll have to watch is if you initiate an email, you'll have to choose which account you want sending it. When you click the "Write" button to compose an email, you'll have a drop down menu of the accounts available. Just pick the one you want to send from, and you're good to go.

I'll try to answer questions, but it's actually easier to do than explain...

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redvalkyrie 14 years ago

Hi,

I've been learning about IM for a while. It can all be so overwhelming. Each step or idea seems to lead to three more. lol It seems like something I can use when I setup emails for different products I'm working on. Thanks.
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Lisa Gergets

14 years ago

For sensitive emails, I set up accounts through the various cPanels, then manage them in one place using Thunderbird. I set up separate sets of folders for each account so I don't get them mixed up. Works well for pen names and social accounts, too. All the confirmations get funneled into a folder for handling.

This is exactly what I've done, John! Great minds and all that.

RichJerks and Zeus66 - shut it. Get a room.

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TheRichJerksNet 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets

This is exactly what I've done, John! Great minds and all that.

RichJerks and Zeus66 - shut it. Get a room.

Are you going to be in the room

James
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- Lisa Gergets 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet
  
  Are you going to be in the room
  
  James
  
  Yup....
  
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  Laughing my arse off!
  
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  TheRichJerksNet 14 years ago
  
  Well then John can just go find his own room then ...
  
  Yippee!!!
  
  James
  
  Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets
  
  Yup....
  
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  Laughing my arse off!
  
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  Lisa Gergets 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet
  
  Well then John can just go find his own room then ...
  
  Yippee!!!
  
  James
  
  Keep onnnnnnnn dreamin', James! :p
  
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  TheRichJerksNet 14 years ago
  
  Well I was always told it never hurts to dream ...
  
  James
  
  Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets
  
  Keep onnnnnnnn dreamin', James! :p
  
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Zeus66

14 years ago

Why am I hearing 70's porn music in my head?

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JohnMcCabe 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Zeus66

Why am I hearing 70's porn music in my head?

That's not in your head. You forgot to turn down your speakers again...
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- Lisa Gergets 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe
  
  That's not in your head. You forgot to turn down your speakers again...
  
  lmao! hee hee hee!
  
  BTW, Zeus & RichJerk, we've been poetrized...http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...ml#post1752615
  
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  TheRichJerksNet 14 years ago
  
  Ha Ha .. We are Famous !!!
  
  James
  
  Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets
  
  lmao! hee hee hee!
  
  BTW, Zeus & RichJerk, we've been poetrized...http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...ml#post1752615
  
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Zeus66

14 years ago

Oh good lord. Just my luck to be memorialized with a jerk and a Gergets.

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Lisa Gergets 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Zeus66

Oh good lord. Just my luck to be memorialized with a jerk and a Gergets.

Dude, you're gonna be BURIED with us. lmao
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mojojuju

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets

So Buzz was the last straw.

I know you mentioned that despite Buzz you're still looking for other email options. However, if you would like to disable Buzz, log into your GMail account and scroll down to the very bottom of the page and click on the teeny weeny text that says "turn off Buzz" and you'll get rid of that Buzz thing.

Serving up your own email is a good idea. Horde.org offers a pretty spectacular webmail application that's pretty spectacular (I said that twice, but it really is!) and has all the bells and whistles, and you won't have to worry about Google parsing through every word you say. Most web hosting providers have it installed.

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InternetM39482

14 years ago

I use gMail as well as my own email @mywebsite.com.

What I do is create an account within cPanel and then download the app file it gives and open it with mail. That defines all the settings and I can then check my emails within my mail app. Works like a charm!

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TheNightOwl

14 years ago

@JohnMcCabe... Thanks very much! I'll give that a run at the weekend when I have some more time.

Really, I appreciate your taking the time to go through that.

It does sound simple. Nice. (** fingers crossed! **)

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The next question, then, goes to James: How do I auto-delete all the emails from the server once everything has been downloaded to the desktop mail client (for the purposes of this thread, Thunderbird)?

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TheNightOwl

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TheRichJerksNet

14 years ago

I use Apple's Mail App that is built in with the system, it gives you an option to auto delete the mail on the server. I have mine set to delete all email after 10 days.

It logs in your email and cleans it... Once you get the mail app trained on what spam is it works perfect. I do not see any spam but maybe 1 or 2 emails might get through a month..

James

Originally Posted by TheNightOwl

@JohnMcCabe... Thanks very much! I'll give that a run at the weekend when I have some more time.

Really, I appreciate your taking the time to go through that.

It does sound simple. Nice. (** fingers crossed! **)

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The next question, then, goes to James: How do I auto-delete all the emails from the server once everything has been downloaded to the desktop mail client (for the purposes of this thread, Thunderbird)?

Thanks!

TheNightOwl

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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheNightOwl

@JohnMcCabe... Thanks very much! I'll give that a run at the weekend when I have some more time.

Really, I appreciate your taking the time to go through that.

It does sound simple. Nice. (** fingers crossed! **)

...

The next question, then, goes to James: How do I auto-delete all the emails from the server once everything has been downloaded to the desktop mail client (for the purposes of this thread, Thunderbird)?

Thanks!

TheNightOwl

Since James uses a Mac, I'll take a swing at this.

When you are setting up your accounts in Thunderbird, one of the options you can check off asks if you want to download your email when you check it. Tick that box 'yes', and you are good to go.

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TheNightOwl

14 years ago

@James... Thanks for the reply. I'm not a Mac user, myself, but your answer will obviously help those who are.

@JohnMcCabe... Thanks for taking a swing. Much appreciated!

@LisaGergets... Thanks for starting this thread!

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Ruka

14 years ago

John, Can I ask a quick question?

Is there a master password to enter Thunderbird?

(So if other people are going to be using my computer, they won't have access to my emails)

Thanks for the instructions

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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by chickenlittle

John, Can I ask a quick question?

Is there a master password to enter Thunderbird?

(So if other people are going to be using my computer, they won't have access to my emails)

Thanks for the instructions

I couldn't find a setting for one, so I took a quick peek at the Mozilla knowledge base. This might help...

Protecting the contents of the profile - mail - MozillaZine Knowledge Base

If you are using a Windows machine, it might be easier to put your sensitive email in a separate account on the machine, and password protect that.

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TheNightOwl

14 years ago

Heya, John

Great link!

I was wondering about being able to access my email from other computers during the week (after the posts, above).

I noodled about at that link you just posted for a minute and found what appears to be the solution: Thunderbird Portable. I will need to look more closely at the security settings, etc.

But... now I can install the portable version on a thumbdrive and access my email from anywhere using that. I don't always need to take my laptop with me, but I might need access to email. And although I'm not a big fan of public internet terminals, sometimes you ain't got no choice.

So thank you, again!

TheNightOwl

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TheNightOwl

14 years ago

Interesting, George, interesting.

And a really, really good security warning.

Even though my reaction to the Goog's "Do No Evil" is now very similar to a frenchman on a rampart, ready to "bring forth le moo," and I'm apt to say to their reassertions of Privacy that "I laff in your faces, you bunch of two-bit electric donkey bottom biters!" I'd still choose them over your shonky backyard boy, Joe Blow.

There was a comment above, from James, about downloading your email to your machine and deleting it from the server at your host.

This doesn't negate your comment in any way, of course. Joe can still read your email before you download it!

So, yeah, given the little that I know about all this, your advice to find out more about your hosting seems like darn good advice to me! I know I host directly with the source (because, like George, I have the reseller account), but if you don't, it's worth checking out, eh?

Nice one. Thanks.

TheNightOwl

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