Am I the only one annoyed by this type of video??

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I am really tired of videos that will not allow me to pause the video, stop the video, or even see how long it is before watching.

If you want to watch the video, you basically are forced to come into it blind, without knowing how long it is, and you can't scroll forward or backward.

Yes, I totally understand why marketers are starting to do it this way, but it really tees me off, and I'm wondering if it's just me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
    No, it's not just you... a lot of people complain about this.

    I don't quite follow the logic of a video you can't pause, scroll back or forwards. I guess they assume you're a captive audience. I guess you are... right up until you press the "Back" button, or the "Close Tab" little X button.
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  • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
    I think a major testing phase is going on right now regarding these videos.

    On the plus side, I see where a few marketers are allowing you to pause the video, at least.

    It probably dawned on them that people need a bathroom break when they watch these epic productions.

    KJ
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    • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
      Also, if you have to refresh the page or something, it starts ALL OVER. Ugh . . . especially for long videos.

      It just feels too manipulative to me.
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      • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
        The latest Mike Filsaime video is a good example. I SOOO wanted to fast forward or at least know where the finish line was. I was like, "Okay, I get it -- you were REALLY, REALLY broke!"
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        • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
          haha yeah true. Thats the reason I eventually closed the video. If I knew how long it went for and could skip it, woulda of saved the link and went back to finish the video later...



          Originally Posted by BillyBee View Post

          The latest Mike Filsaime video is a good example. I SOOO wanted to fast forward or at least know where the finish line was. I was like, "Okay, I get it -- you were REALLY, REALLY broke!"
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          • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
            Two other adjectives I would associate with these type of videos:

            Arrogant. ("My video is so important that I will not allow you to even consider skipping one precious second.")

            Presumptuous. ("My video is so important I do not trust you with any of the controls.")
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            • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
              Actually, Mike Filsaime's video is one of those that can be paused.

              I tried watching it to the end but failed to accomplish that task.

              I'm batting a 1000 on these things.

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              • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
                I have nothing against Filsaime and even admire him as a marketer. But the poverty part of that story was stretched so far to the hilt that it began to strain credulity for me. The whole "I Went From Dumpster Diving To This Mansion You See Pictured Here" is such a tired marketing storyline for me that I would have thought Filsaime would have found a more singular way to tell that story without falling into cliche.

                Anyway, the video I had in mind for the whole "lack of viewer control" angle was a Ryan Deiss' video. He is a GREAT video presenter and a GREAT salesman, by the way. Love that guy as a marketer. But watching a control-less video is like being thrown into the trunk of a car without knowing how far the trip is.
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      • Profile picture of the author RebeccaLongster
        Originally Posted by BillyBee View Post

        Also, if you have to refresh the page or something, it starts ALL OVER. Ugh . . . especially for long videos.

        It just feels too manipulative to me.
        That's because it IS manipulative, Billy. I feel manipulated by that whole hard sell/up sell thing when it's done with sales pages. I mean, one page with an exclusive offer while you're waiting is fine, but not 2 or more. And I wouldn't even continue watching a video that had that kind of "now or never!" component.

        In my opinion, that's a quick way to lose clients and subscribers. I know it has put me off enough that I've unsubed from several of these people.
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    • Profile picture of the author petelta
      Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

      It probably dawned on them that people need a bathroom break when they watch these epic productions.

      KJ
      HAHA, thats so true. I hate not having an option to fast forward on a 30 minute video that ends up giving nothing of value and is just one long sales page.

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      • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
        I started watching Mikes video got about 5 minutes into in and spotted the get a short version of my offer link... whoo hooo I think..the last think I need is a sob story from someone who won't promote something that pays less than $xxx commission

        so i get the short version of the pitch...gave that up after 10 minutes...

        anyone care to do a summary??... maybe we should set up an IMDB type site for marketing videos... (right i am copyrighting that idea!! it's a doozy )
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        • Profile picture of the author johnng
          I admit it. It is one of my pet hate! Shall we all boycott such inconsiderate marketers?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mr. Enthusiastic
          Originally Posted by M Thompson View Post

          anyone care to do a summary??... maybe we should set up an IMDB type site for marketing videos... (right i am copyrighting that idea!! it's a doozy )
          Mark, I think that's a great idea, but it should be a thread here. Whoever likes can put up a summary of the video, with the link. That will let other people decide whether or not they want to watch the video. For example, how about this:

          Mike Filsaime's "The Day His Ego Died" is an autoplay, pausable but no other controls Flash video at thedayhisegodied.com. It's claimed in the video that it only plays once, forcing an immediate decision. Using Firefox with cookies and scripts blocked, I was able to replay it without any trouble.

          Format: The video is Mike's audio narration with slides that stay up, usually for a few minutes at a time.

          Mike takes a long time to tell several personal anecdotes:
          * After he quit his old sales manager job and couldn't get other work, he and his wife became financially destitute. The situation was scary, uncomfortable and humiliating. (No mention of any life lessons learned, other than that being totally broke really sucks, and his wife can be a sentimental sweetheart who stands by Mike in tough times.)
          * After he learned how to succeed at Internet marketing, they now enjoy living on a farm out in the countryside where his wife likes championship horse riding. (No mention of how he turned things around for himself.)
          * His goal now is to get out of the "product guru" business, and focus on the growing area of software-as-a-service for the next phase of his Internet marketing career.

          The offer:
          Two software products that Mike used to sell exclusively at his own sites are now available to resellers.
          Mike has had ongoing success with "autopilot" sales of these products with no active promotion for some time.
          Mike will change his sales pages to direct buyers to a Google search for Mike's licensed resellers.
          Resellers get the products, sales page, thank you page, promotional graphics, and the right to be found in that Google search.
          Mike sets minimum prices for selling these products.
          The products are "Powerlink generator" and "Viral friend generator."
          After building up a $5000 value, the offer is $497 for both products, or three installments of $197.
          He says to expect perhaps 4 sales a week at $97.
          30 day money back guarantee and the software can be kept for in-house use, but not sold any more, if a refund is requested.
          The first few buyers also get the right to reseller the Butterfly Marketing book, but not the complete system.

          I have no professional or personal association with Mike Filsaime. I admire his business acumen, appreciate his revealing some of his personal background, and wish he'd let viewers see the video's length and control playback. I think (and hope!) the "one chance to watch" thing is a gimmick that will pass.

          I would love to be able to come to a WF thread and read this kind of mini-review of IM videos to decide if they're worth my time. I'd be happy to post a review like this a day if I could see that other people were also posting reviews, that way we could discover what's worth watching.
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          • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
            Originally Posted by Mr. Enthusiastic View Post

            It's claimed in the video that it only plays once, forcing an immediate decision. Using Firefox with cookies and scripts blocked, I was able to replay it without any trouble.
            Too bad they don't give out medals for that kind of sacrifice...

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          • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
            Originally Posted by Mr. Enthusiastic View Post

            For example, how about this:

            Mike Filsaime's "The Day His Ego Died" is an autoplay, pausable but no other controls Flash video at thedayhisegodied.com.

            Lol...i'd read the domain as The day his dog died!! looks like I developing dyslexia
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            • Profile picture of the author WhamSoft
              I also dislike not being able to skip to end, pause e.t.c but I have found quite a good method to get around this.

              Download a program called "real player" install the basic / free version, this allows you to download most videos to your computer and watch them at your own convenience with all features of play, pause, fwd

              Hope this helps.
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              • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
                Originally Posted by WhamSoft View Post

                I also dislike not being able to skip to end, pause e.t.c but I have found quite a good method to get around this.

                Download a program called "real player" install the basic / free version, this allows you to download most videos to your computer and watch them at your own convenience with all features of play, pause, fwd

                Hope this helps.
                WhamSoft, GREAT tip!! Thanks.
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                • Profile picture of the author mpeters7
                  I haven't seen the Filsaime video, but often with Flash you can also pause a video by right-clicking.

                  You'll then see an option that says "Play" with a little check-mark next to it. If you click this, it will uncheck and the video will pause until you check it again.
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          • Profile picture of the author pjblanch
            Originally Posted by Mr. Enthusiastic View Post


            Mike Filsaime's "The Day His Ego Died" is an autoplay, pausable but no other controls Flash video at thedayhisegodieddotcom. It's claimed in the video that it only plays once, forcing an immediate decision. Using Firefox with cookies and scripts blocked, I was able to replay it without any trouble.

            THIS ... is what ticked me off. I can almost stomach the "no controls" thing, but this ultimate control over even the choice of playing again TICKED ME OFF!!! (Thanks, Mr. Enthusiastic, for the trick. I deleted cookies, but that didn't work. You gave me a good tool to use in the future.)

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    • Profile picture of the author mark keeler
      I just download them with RealPlayer and play them at my convenience. There is always a work around!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
        Although I'm sure it works well for some, it's a tactic I won't employ on my videos. I believe in respecting my prospects and customer's time. I know myself how annoyed I am when I start a video and there's no indication of how long it is or how long it will go on for. If I at least have the forewarning that it is a long video, I can go and grab myself a beverage and watch it at my leisure.
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        • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
          I would say that Mike is a smart guy and there are other smart marketers who have used these types of videos, so i would expect that they probably convert better and keep attention focused. we live in an ADD type of society now.

          I have heard others say this is a great way to convert. I've never ran any tests myself to see, but I'm sure others have. After all, this is a business.

          My personal opinion on these videos is this (for what it's worth):

          If I was a salesperson and I was going to try and sell Kevin Riley a widget, it might take me 2.5 minutes to sell him. He might have interupted my presentation and just said, "I'll take it Eric, you're a damn cool guy!"

          (I added the damn cool guy for emphasis)

          BUT, if I had to sell Big Mike, it might take me 2 hours (cause he analyzes the $hit out of everything right?) he wants every detail imaginable. He asks tons of questions. And, even after 2 hours, he still has to think about it and invites me back again for yet another 2 friggen hours of my time.

          With long form sales copy, you cover both types of people. If someone wants to buy fast, they scan to the bottom, click the buy now button and badda bing, they get it. Others have to read, read, read every damn line and ponder the purchase.

          Just like tonight. My wife and me went to this organic food store. I wanted to leave after the first 2 minutes. i went straight to what I wanted, and bought it. She takes 20 minutes just picking out what type of toothpaste to buy. I just look for the color blue and am gone.

          With these videos, you only cover ONE type of person... the one who wants all the answers, every detail. The quick buyers, the impulsive buyers either A) click away or B) do something else until the video ends (it's running in the background) or C) pull their hair out until it's over, then buy.

          is most of this market place guys or gals? Are guys more impulsive buyers than gals?

          I can go on and on with my theories and philosophies, and I can see how Kevin would not want to treat his customers that way if he himself does not like these videos and obviously tons of people complain about them... but you know what???

          My theories and philosophies don't matter when it comes to CONVERSIONS. My theories are irrelevant. I remember when everyone said graphic headers dont convert as well as non-graphic headers. I tested it and said to myself, "whoever said that is full of it".

          There's a lot of marketers who claim something converts great, but I dont always believe what everyone says either. Whoever invented these videos could say they tested it and even show proof they tested it, but until I myself tests it, it's just theory.

          All in all, obviously I give weight to those who earn much-much more than I do. And, when I see a big marketer like Mike doing something, I pay close attention. There's a reason why.

          Good topic of discussion, I myself have wondered about these videos without controls too. I wonder what the test results are. That would be very valuable because even in this market hates them, what about the biz opp market or other niche markets out there??

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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Enthusiastic
    I dislike that at as well. With a long sales letter, at least the scroll bar shows how long the page is. I can take it at my own pace, skip around, go back over one part or jump to the end if I'm already convinced. It's a bit rude to assume that however long the video sales presentation will take, I'm going to be interested in the whole thing.

    I hadn't heard of "self-destructing" videos before Mike Filsaime's latest. He claims that you're only allowed to watch it once, have to make your decision then or lose the opportunity forever. There's someone I wanted to show part of it to, and since that person wasn't available right then, I wasn't able to share the video. C'mon, I'm no secret agent whose assignment has to be denied!

    I think I won't watch any more "unstoppable" videos of unknown length. It's just too darn intrusive.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Enthusiastic
    I'm also a bit mystified by the thought process of his poverty time.

    Apparently he quit the auto sales manager job, without having another job or a business plan.

    Then he apparently turned down other sales jobs, just because they weren't sales manager jobs.

    But he also had at least one promising interview and never heard back.

    So was he trying to get jobs, or ignoring any job "beneath" him?

    Then his father bailed him out to at least buy heating oil.

    It does sound like a truly rough time. But was he turning down jobs he could have done? Not looking at opportunities to relocate for a decent job somewhere else?

    The only reason I bring this up is that he never explains how he turned around whatever was the root cause of his negative attitudes. Suddenly he just knew how to market successfully, and got rich. In that "suddenly" moment is some omitted story. And frankly, that moment - what shift of mindset made it possible for him to become successful - is far more interesting to me than being one of X "licensed resellers" promoted via Google search.

    Well, maybe he got enough people to watch the whole thing and take action immediately. He may well have sold out his stock, providing more capital for his next ventures. He also got people talking about him on the Warrior Forum. Maybe those goals are more successful for him than any potential losses from people abandoning the video.

    I guess we'll find the results of the experiment when he releases his next round of offers. If those videos are also "blind" then it must be a strategy that works, at least for now. If those videos are controllable? Then we'll know the bad publicity offset profits from those who ride all the way through the no-exit Tunnel Of Love.

    I still don't like videos I can't control.
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      Originally Posted by Mr. Enthusiastic View Post

      The only reason I bring this up is that he never explains how he turned around whatever was the root cause of his negative attitudes. Suddenly he just knew how to market successfully, and got rich.
      He attributed that change to getting an email (I could be mistaken) from Frank Kern around 2002. I watched him tell that story during Joel Comm's TNIM show.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Enthusiastic
    It can be paused, Joe, but there's no way to see how long it is, to go back and see a portion again, to skip ahead, or to replay the entire thing in a later session. Those are some pretty darn strict limitations.

    I would like to learn about that transition point, whether it was Kern or someone else who opened his eyes to a new possibility. In comparison, Tony Robbins is pretty open about an old friend introducing him to NLP when Tony had reached his own personal rock bottom.
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      Originally Posted by Mr. Enthusiastic View Post

      It can be paused, Joe, but there's no way to see how long it is, to go back and see a portion again, to skip ahead, or to replay the entire thing in a later session. Those are some pretty darn strict limitations.
      Yup, that's why watching it to the end was next to impossible.

      It doesn't make much of a difference how much time you've invested in watching one of those sagas, when the clock runs out, the clock runs out.

      At some point you just say to yourself..."Why waste anymore time here..."

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      • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
        Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

        Yup, that's why watching it to the end was next to impossible.

        It doesn't make much of a difference how much time you've invested in watching one of those sagas, when the clock runs out, the clock runs out.

        At some point you just say to yourself..."Why waste anymore time here..."

        KJ
        There was also a dont have time to watch the whole video click here link right under the video..

        Did you miss that?
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        • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
          Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

          There was also a dont have time to watch the whole video click here link right under the video..

          Did you miss that?
          Robert, I was so glued to the screen I didn't even notice the repossessers were towing my mobile home away until the neighbors' extention cord snapped back and sent two of my pink flamingos sailing through the side window glass.

          But I will look for it next time...

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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Mike is an awesome guy he knows what it takes to get the job done and now that he has a lot of people criticize him I have a great respect for him not everything he does but definitely for taking the ball and not dropping it. defijitely is someone who knows his stuff.
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    hahaha the video thing is just silly every video should not auto start I don't know how many times I have jumped out of my skin with one auto starting sometimes it makes me mad even
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  • Profile picture of the author dbsilva
    If I can't control the video, beyond a short pause ... I leave. When a video could run for three minutes or fifty-seven minutes and I have no way of knowing ... I leave.

    I really dislike these things. They show a complete lack of respect for the viewers. They're like the old Outer Limits series. Remember the opening lines?

    "There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whisper. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear."

    Arrogant, in my opinion.

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  • Profile picture of the author Online Bliss
    Offer something Free for watching the full video
    or Get to the point.
    The stats will prove that people are leaving and not
    clicking on the salespage.
    Mike is smart enough to test.
    I do respect him.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sandycmy
    Are there any WF marketers with these kind of videos and found great success ?



    Personally,

    I want to choose and keenly view 10% video ( repeatedly - at least twice) -- which matters to me the most very clearly -- if i,m not allowed to do so -- or need to replay the whole thing again -- I move on.....
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    Can't say I have any particular appreciation
    for this trend.

    Of course, I'm biased in that I really don't
    work the Clickbank Affiliate market.

    The common thinking appears to be using
    the lack of navigation or control as a disqualifier.

    The jaded and crusty cynics amongst us gasp at
    the arrogance and click away, leaving the true
    believers, the most impressionable and/or the
    uninitiated.

    This is not to say that anyone who sits through
    the whole thing is foolish or even naive - only
    that they have proven themselves to be intensely
    interested - in either the subject or the eventual
    offer being made.

    In direct response marketing, you wouldn't ever
    want to kick THAT date out of the sack.

    In some ways, one might consider it a tactic
    being used to try and combat a growingly
    pervasive Internet ADD.

    "No, you may not come back and watch it later.
    You must pay attention NOW and decide if this
    is right for you or not..."

    Whatever...

    I've posted more detailed thoughts about this
    model in the past. It is what it is.

    One thing we can all be thankful for is how easy
    and cost-effective it is to put eyeballs on video
    offers nowadays.

    We can actually test screwball ideas like putting
    no navigation or user control on a 43 minute
    long-form video and measure what happens.

    There's always that... I guess.

    Best,

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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      You'll find that most of the videos that have no navigation are priced at $97 and up...

      The reason for no navigation, at least from my perspective is because the marketer wants people to see all the benefits so that the higher price point is justified.

      With navigation in place, many people skip to the end immediately just to see the price - without the ability to feature/benefit, it is difficult to establish value.

      If you really want to see the bottom line - Wait 24 hours after the video is released and the price will be all over the net anyway...you won't have to watch a single second of the video.
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    • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
      It just feels like they're hiding something. Or trying to play a trick on me.

      Then again, maybe a squeeze page gives some people that same type of feeling.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by BillyBee View Post


        Then again, maybe a squeeze page gives some people that same type of feeling.
        So does long sales copy - People say that the copy is so long because the seller is hiding things and that they get bored reading it.

        So does short sales copy - People say not enough details are given

        So does video with navigation - People can't believe the nerve of people making them watch a video

        No matter how a sales page is done, there is a certain population that isn't going to agree with how it is done...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    Ok so you hit one of these vids, finally manage to get to the next page (or whatever) and you're hit with another one

    You then so lose the will to live

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    Yeah, it does FORCE you to watch or bail out...
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  • Us marketers want only the most targeted prospects. This concept rids the tire kickers, the ones with serious ADD etc. It leaves the most targeted prospect and increases conversions from someone watching the whole video to a sale. Most marketers are giving you a time frame in the beginning now. "Hi I'm so and so and over the next 10 short minutes...

    Also it challenges you to watch the whole video. It builds an awareness and to be honest with you I use this tactic and I love it. Like what was already mentioned above. I don't care who doesn't watch the whole video because I don't want you watching it in the first place you dig
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    I always have music going when I'm on the computer, and when somebody's audio interrupts it, it slows down the computer significantly for about two minutes. When the computer FINALLY works again, I'm faced with a video I can't pause, rewind or fast forward.

    Give me a webpage to read, and if I like reading what you write, I'll consider actually listening to what you have to say.
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    • Profile picture of the author jamawebinc
      I have noticed this myself. This is a common thing now and I'm sure there is a reason for it. I'm sure there have been tests done and better results have been shown when the user has no options to skip ahead and such.

      I will not guess at the reason for it, but I will assume they are taking away control from the user for a reason.

      Is it not the same with a "squeeze page?"

      You are given the option of either, enter your info, or leave.

      There is no option of...here is my opt-in page, you can bypass it if you want, but I hope you don't.

      There is the option of...give me some info to see what I offer or leave.

      This may strike some as arrogant, but it does work.

      I did a test once...a very short test.

      I had a squeeze page with no other option except, enter your email to watch a video with a benefit

      or

      see a bunch of free info first, a couple of articles, and then give me your email later if you care to see more. Ya know, (after I've gotten them to trust me and see I know what I am talking about - or so the theory went)

      I don't have the exact numbers here, but signups when given the option to sign up after getting a bunch of free info were nil. I'm not sure if I had 1.

      This test was so conclusive with a small sample....60 visitors or so.

      The less options people have the better. The more they are forced to follow the path you want them to follow, the better the results.

      Another benefit to doing it this way is that it makes it easy to fix and tweek.

      If you have multiple options, it makes it harder to measure when a change is made since there are more options available still.

      Even an option as simple as, skipping ahead in a video.
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  • Profile picture of the author MisterMunch
    When you are "probably thinking, what is this going to cost" you are aproximatly 2/3 into the video, and there is no more content. Just justification of the price including bonuses.

    I have not watched Filsames videos though, but that is kind of the norm.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Enthusiastic
    It's interesting to watch Mike's video experiment unfold in near-realtime.

    His latest promotional email links to two versions of the video - with or without the personal story part. He mentions a little bit about what the story is about, what response he got, and how that compares to other presentations he's made. He now also gives a hint about how long the videos are.

    Then there's a further link: "If you are extremely short on time and need prefer to watch this video with all player controls and a scrub bar to "Fast FWD" then Click Here" (all with colorful text formatting) - which goes to an email optin for that link.

    The #1 thing I'm learning is that Mike very quickly noticed the main themes of the feedback, capitalized on what people liked, and is offering something different to address the complaints. Along the way, he also sweetened the payoff for just watching, but with a time limitation on the bonus.

    My guess is that the next version will first feature whatever got the most response from this version - either raw numbers, or net profitability. Since unique URL's and links are used throughout, tracking should be a breeze.

    I also speculate that while knowing how long the video is might help increase viewer retention, his audience may really prefer the controllable videos. After all, his pitch is mostly for literate people who already know their way around the Internet... so "we control the horizontal" and "don't you dare try to skip ahead" isn't going to go over that well.

    This is all a great marketing lesson, no matter what business someone is in.

    Your opinions?

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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      If all people here screaming that they hate this type of videos.

      Who the hell said it's working??
      And why on earth these marketers still use it?

      When I get a link to a video like this from someone by email, I simply hit unsubscribe...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Enthusiastic
    Bary, your questions are already answered in the thread.

    The original poster asked, "Am I the only one annoyed?" Turns out the answer is no, just about everyone is annoyed. It's more fun to be annoyed when you get to whine with other people who are whining about the same thing.

    Once the whining's out of the way, there's a serious marketing question here. This technique is being done a lot, by some of the best known and most admired marketers. So the question is, what in the world are they up to? And along with that question: If it works for them, even though we hate it, might our own target markets love it? Is it something that's a proven success? Or is it just a test to find out what happens when prospects are funneled into a no-exit video?

    As I pointed out in my post just above yours, even people who don't do anything with video can learn from the quick turnaround of alternate promotional techniques.

    By the way, for those playing along at home: I put in my email address for the fully controllable video link, and didn't get it at all (it's not in spam filter, it's just not there). Tried again with another email address, same thing. Was anyone else able to get the link OK?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Well if it annoys you, just close it... don't watch it.

    It really is that simple.

    Nobody is forcing you to watch it.

    Complaining about it here won't stop it from happening mate. :/


    EDIT:

    As for me, sometimes they annoy me, sometimes they don't. It depends on
    the stuff that they talk about in the video.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gavan
    I HATE those videos, in fact I hate all sales letters that have videos.
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  • Profile picture of the author chgroup
    I find myself clicking off the video if I cant pause it. I am not willing to wait to find out the "special" offer at the end of a video I do not know how long it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dherm
    Join the club! I watched an IM GURU in full flow a couple of days ago and realised that I had been watching him for 27 mins. When I scrolled down to see how much video was left on the progress bar.. guess what.. NO BARR!. It seems this is happening a lot now. Perhaps we should scroll down immediately and if a progress bar does not appear...then you're in for a long night lol
    Regards. Dherm
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  • Profile picture of the author mariochase
    Well..

    I think that this videos sucks. And that's why I don't watch it, I don't care about them. If someobody send me an video like that I don't mind.

    In Andy Jenkins (VideoBoss).. launch... all controls are available. Even downloading the video (if I'm not mistaken). That is the real kind of marketing I like.

    I will not waste my time.. in a boring video.. with no controls.
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    • Profile picture of the author jacquic
      Yes, they really annnoy me too - there are all sorts of distractions in our household so having no opportunity to rewind is a drawback. This happensd too if it's so interesting that I want to take notes - my typing skills are just not up to that speed.

      In addition, I read way faster than people speak, so start drumnming my fingers and eventually just wander off.

      Lastly, our broadband here is very slow, so the videos often pause to stream whether I like it or not (so downloading it takes yonks, too). Good a marketer though he is, there are other products out there that offer the same and I'd rather look for those (or use what I already have!) than sit, irritatated, because I can't control the thing and have no idea how long it will last.

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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Fladlien
        I've tested this a few times... it works beautifully on high priced offers like $497... or $197... anything under that is pretty much a waste... we could never get something under $197 to convert better with a no-fastforward video...

        That's the point... a conversion rate of 1% at $497 is very NICE. You're alienating 99% of the audience... but it's the commitment and consistently principle kicking in... if you invested 45 minutes to watch the video... and you saw everythign in the exact order you were supposed to see it in from the marketer's perspective...

        Then there's real pain not buying at the end.

        I bought - and I would've bought about 30 seconds in - because I knew the offer would be great and I'd immediately make money from it. Granted, I have a nice email list. We set it up today, sent out a promo a few hours ago and I've already more than double the money I invested.

        So it was worth it for me to set through 30 minutes... I did other things and let the video play in the background til I could buy... but it was a major inconvenience, but I'll take it considering it's already made me about a grand for an 1 1/2 worth of "work" (counting the time it took me to set through the video

        My biggset gripe: I wanted to immediately launch it the night I bought it - but guess what!? The download links weren't available yet. Now that is what REALLY pisses me off. Launching products without the download page even ready yet, and no heads up about that.

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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
    Two things occur to me about this type of video:

    1. They are clearly targeted at newbies.
    Anyone who is not new to the IM game has seen several such videos and knows them inside out before seeing them. The pattern is always the same, after all.

    I was poor and broke -> tried IM and lost money at first -> then finally stumbled upon a "secret" -> the bit that goes "imagine what your life would be like with so much money, so much traffic, so many subscribers etc." -> "this product should be sold for a bazillion dollars and that's what it's going to cost soon, but if you act now, etc."

    Not a message that appeals to anyone who's already earning.

    2. I think the point is that you make a commitment when watching a video like this. You're forced to invest your time and this activates a bit of a commitment-bias.

    I personally dislike this kind of thing. I'm all for testing and optimizing marketing strategies, but only to a certain point.

    With offers that have time-constraints and limited admission, one of the most common (intelligent) consumer behaviours is circumvented: looking for second and third opinions, reading reviews, seeing what others say and write about a product etc.

    I personally believe in creating products that are really, really good. In this case, reviews and opinions will increase sales and are welcome to the marketer.

    That, of course, doesn't work if you're selling dreams to the desperate.
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