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14 years ago

I would have to know who they are or have someone that could vouch for them. Also, I would need to know that there product(s) was high quality.

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KatyaSenina 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Marhelper

I would have to know who they are or have someone that could vouch for them. Also, I would need to know that there product(s) was high quality.

So you're basically saying that having a reputation is indeed important?
What if the product is great but that person hasn't made a name for himself?
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- RanD 14 years ago
  
  I don't think having a reputation is important. All the guru's were unknowns at some point. The most important thing is how good the product is. I would never promote something that I had not tried myself and found valuable. If it's a good product, it doesn't matter who created it, I would have no problem promoting it.
  
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- Marhelper 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by KatyaSenina
  
  So you're basically saying that having a reputation is indeed important?
  What if the product is great but that person hasn't made a name for himself?
  
  It is important for me but I realize that a lot of people do not think this way. If the person that owns the product has a great reputation but I know the product is crap, I will not promote it. If I had to choose one over the other I would go with product.
  
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petelta

14 years ago

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

Is new to the 'game' (IM

) and is not offering money prizes/other prizes?

It's better if I put it this way... What is the main factor that you pay attention to when you choose whos product to promote?

It made me wonder because I've got an JV invite for CB Stealth recently and he mentioned in his book that any newbie could do this. Even with a small start up capital. I don't consider myself a seasoned marketer yet even though I know my stuff, but still...

I'm thinking off putting a thorough product together to help other people out who are new to IM (I don't feel like I should have years of experience to do this... That would be just an excuse)

Why would you promote a product and why not?

I would have to see the product myself. I always make sure to read and go through every product before I promote. In every niche I'm involved in, I work toward creating a product to sell myself. If your promote a bad affiliate product now, you will lose the trust from your buyers.

Always test the product. I also recommend asking who he has worked with before, so you can talk with them. More often then not, a no named is just looking for a ride.

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14 years ago

I would look at the site, support (if necessary) for the product, and what the person is doing for affiliates.

I am new to the product game, just launched my first, and soon will be looking for affiliates to promote it.

I am hoping people will look at the quality of the site, looks decent & professional (I hope), have all the google "required" pages, a support forum, a video of me front and center on the home page, extensive installation instructions, how-to videos.

In short, I have spent an incredible amount of time on the site design and helping the customer.

When I ask for affiliates, I will try to provide a decent keyword list and tell them as much as I can about the customer "profile" so they know who to target.

That's what I would look for and hope people will evaluate me by.

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KatyaSenina

14 years ago

Originally Posted by PCRoger

I would look at the site, support (if necessary) for the product, and what the person is doing for affiliates.

I am new to the product game, just launched my first, and soon will be looking for affiliates to promote it.

I am hoping people will look at the quality of the site, looks decent & professional (I hope), have all the google "required" pages, a support forum, a video of me front and center on the home page, extensive installation instructions, how-to videos.

In short, I have spent an incredible amount of time on the site design and helping the customer.

When I ask for affiliates, I will try to provide a decent keyword list and tell them as much as I can about the customer "profile" so they know who to target.

That's what I would look for and hope people will evaluate me by.

Regards,
PCRoger.

Thanks for your reply. That's basically what Ray Johnson teaches... Make it easier for the affiliate to promote it. Though somehow I'm a little disappointed that people put a lot of emphasis on someone's reputation.

I believe product quality is the only thing that really matters.

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CurtisN

14 years ago

There are a lot of things I'd look for such as quality of product, payout, type of product, my impression of the product owner, etc.

One thing that I specifically look at is the JV/affiliate invite itself. A ton of JV invites in this forum's JV section look something like this:

Hey warriors,

I've got a product in the XYZ niche. I am willing to give you 50% of the profits. Please promote me.

My product is awesome...PM me with any questions.

When I see these types of JV requests, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

The JV invites which appeal to me are the ones that tell me exactly "what they've got", "what's in it for me", and "here's what you need to do right now". In other words, I want to know exactly what the product is, the conversions, the payout, what the product funnel looks like, and I also want to know that the product owner knows what they're doing.

Nothing's worse for an affiliate or JV partner to be abandoned or otherwise let down by the person they're promoting.

Curtis

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Dan Bainbridge

14 years ago

I think it is a lot to do with reputation too - we believe we have something unique online, and are very proud of our quality, customer service, refunds rates, conversion rate etc etc, but we are almost an unknown - you just have to accept that, but with a little time, consistent conversion rates as more people pick you up the word will spread and your reputation will grow... hopefully

But yes, if you can offer good customer support, answer affiliates questions, give review copies, make it as easy as possible for affiliates to get started, and prove your product converts on a basic level then this will all help speed the process up.

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MJ Sterling

14 years ago

Katya, if I remember rightly he got caught faking screenshots on his WSO thread a few days ago.

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R Hagel

14 years ago

One simple question helps me decide whether to promote something or not...

"Will this help my subscribers/readers?"

If the answer is yes, then I'll make sure the product creator isn't some total schmuch who's going to give my readers a lousy experience.

Assuming that's good, I'll promote. Even if the product doesn't have an affiliate program.

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Sandor Verebi

14 years ago

Originally Posted by R Hagel

One simple question helps me decide whether to promote something or not...

"Will this help my subscribers/readers?"

If the answer is yes, then I'll make sure the product creator isn't some total schmuch who's going to give my readers a lousy experience.

Assuming that's good, I'll promote. Even if the product doesn't have an affiliate program.

Cheers,
Becky

Hi Becky,

I believe that yours is the correct approach if you do not want to ruin your relationship with your customers. They have a trust in you what is the biggest value for your business.

Trust may be earned but it takes time and effort. To lose it a minute is sufficient.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

My criteria is simple:

1. I won't promote any product I haven't used, or at least reviewed.
2. It has to be something that ties in with what I do and write about.
3. Reputation: as long as you haven't developed a bad one it's a go if the first two criteria have been met.

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Sandor Verebi 14 years ago

[quote=Dennis Gaskill;1776775]...

1. I won't promote any product I haven't used, or at least reviewed.

If you aren't use or know that product then you cannot to argue for it adequately and believably. At least according to my experience.

2. It has to be something that ties in with what I do and write about.

It is easier to write about what adjusts to the production structure claimed by your market.

3. Reputation: as long as you haven't developed a bad one it's a go if the first two criteria have been met.

Right, agreed.

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- Dennis Gaskill 14 years ago
  
  I wrote...
  1. I won't promote any product I haven't used, or at least reviewed.
  
  Sandor Verebi replied...
  If you aren't use or know that product then you cannot to argue for it adequately and believably. At least according to my experience.
  
  I don't know if you're agreeing with me or rebutting what I said. Because you agreed with my last point, I can only guess that you're disagreeing with me here. Maybe it's just the meds I'm on fogging my brain, but what I was saying is that I won't promote a product I haven't used or haven't reviewed for myself.
  
  The reasons are twofold: 1) I'm not going to promote junk to my mailing list, and 2) I can't write about a product authoritatively if I don't know the product. I won't use the canned emails marketers offer to affiliates.
  
  Maybe I'm misunderstanding your comment, but it seems to me you wrote your comment because you misunderstood mine. Feel free to clarify if need be.
  
  I wrote...
  2. It has to be something that ties in with what I do and write about.
  
  Sandor Verebi replied...
  It is easier to write about what adjusts to the production structure claimed by your market.
  
  I'll be glad when I'm off this medication, but......what? I'm sorry Sandor, but I don't know what you're saying. I write about topics of interest to webmasters of small business websites, home business websites, and hobbyist websites. If the product doesn't tie in with that in some way, I'm probably not going to promote it. Promoting off topic products to a targeted mailing list is a sure way to not to make sales.
  
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Gary King

14 years ago

Katya,

The reputation isn't important (as long as it's not a bad one!)... Check out the product and see what YOUR opinion of it is. If you think it's crap, you may not want to suggest it to your audience (if promoting to a list).

Sell them junk and they won't be around long for your future mailings...

If you are just blindly promoting (sniper pages, ppc, etc.) you won't likely be identifiable in the transaction (and therefore your reputation won't be tarnished if things are bad), then I guess it comes down to how you feel about potential refunds. If you think there's a high potential for them, you may not want to invest the time to build the pages/ads, etc. just to earn your commissions and watch them be pulled back when the buyers refund.

All success.

Gary

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mmurtha

14 years ago

Katy,

Whether the person I am JVing with is new or not doesn't carry much weight with me - at least not enough to walk away before I give them a chance or turn down the product before finding out if it's beneficial or not.

The main criteria for me to JV with them would be:

1) Whether or not the product is worth me selling it
2) If it is useful or not to my lists
3) What my impression of the product owner is
4) The payout (percentage)
5) Do they pay on time (which can only be found out once you become a JV partner)

Basically, I would have no problem with a JV if the product is good enough to put my stamp of approval on or will help others.

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gdrg

14 years ago

Good question and interesting answers.

I´m new to the product promoting and I´ve been struggling to pick the right products to promote myself. I chose the fitness niche as I know what good products should offer and look like so choosing is fairly easy.

In the IM niche I´d promote products I have used myself or have been recommended to me by someone I trust and know has good knowledge on the subject.

Ofcourse payout commissions are not unimportant either.

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Marketstriker

14 years ago

As others have mentioned I would just look at the product first. Personally I've promoted products on the affiliate side when I know that the content is solid, and it's something I can personally endorse.

But if you're just choosing a product to promote, then obviously conversions are the main concern which I'll split test.

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Patrick Mader

14 years ago

First i would research his/her name and if google shows absolutly nothing, i also do nothing. If i find something i look around he/she has some reputations. After this i test the product and when it match up with my subscribers aso i promote it.

But there are also other good answer in your thread here.

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Patrick

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Just have forgotten. Sometimes i also give newcomers a chance. But he has to convince me in the first moment.

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ConversionTime

14 years ago

In order of importance
Why would you promote a product
Quality of product
Fit with my list
Good money
Prizes

and to you in any order
and why not?
Not much questionable ethics
poor product
poor fit
poor marketing
Poor message

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UnDenIeD

14 years ago

It depends whether I'm attaching my name to it or not. If I'm promoting to a list, then I need to know that the product actually works. I value integrity very much when I'm developing a relationship with someone.

On the other hand, if I just want something profitable I look at conversion, refund rates and what promotional materials does the vendor offer, if any.

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KatyaSenina

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Walter

CB Stealth is a bogus product aparently...

Check out these threads for more info

http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...6L9VKhE1eiWK4f

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...8MfSDwAnQy9gAO

Think twice before you promote a product

I've noticed the cursor flaw in the screenshot BEFORE the product even launched (JVNotify). To be honest, I don't think the product is a scam.

The method he teaches is definitely the way to go about launching a product and his strategies really make sense. I haven't tried them yet, but I know there is value in there that is oblivious to most people, because most marketers lack the right focus. They focus too much on product creation and forget to build an army of affiliates. You don't have to be a genius to know that the method works. It's pretty obvious.

Though I doubt if a newbie can pull this off and get the big names to promote his product right off the bat, without establishing a relationship first and without having a name for himself yet. I doubt it. It's worth trying though, but aside to that...great info.

Ray is just a smart guy with great information... I think he just wanted to share some great methods without actually 'testing' them first. Therefore he had no real PROOF!

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Kevin Riley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

Is new to the 'game' (IM

) and is not offering money prizes/other prizes?

Yes. I look for a good, unique product that is a good fit for my members. If I think it's something that they can use, I will promote it.

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Kevin Riley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Walter

CB Stealth is a bogus product aparently...

Check out these threads for more info

http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...6L9VKhE1eiWK4f

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...8MfSDwAnQy9gAO

Think twice before you promote a product

Careful! You're judging the product by a problem on the sales page. I don't think you should be making this statement unless you yourself have reviewed the product.

I promoted this prior to the alarm being raised about a bogus screenshot. IMO this is a good product. I got my partner on an upcoming CB project to review it, and he said there were some good points we could use (and he's no newbie to CB).

My members who ordered CB Stealth had nothing but good to say about the product. I received a few e-mails thanking me for the recommendation.

So, DO NOT judge the product by heresay or rumour.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

So, DO NOT judge the product by heresay or rumour.

Related question.

Why do I care what sleazy tactics might be used to sell a product?

As long as I don't use them myself, my conscience is clean, and it doesn't change whether the product itself is any good.

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Syndicator 14 years ago
I agree with those that support the argument:

"The quality of the sales pages and tools provided to affiliate marketers (no spelling mistakes or grammatical mistakes) are inline with your expectations."

Seriously, if they cannot get their most important sales tools 100% correct in that regard what hope do you have, or faith should you have, that the content is good, that the commissions will be paid and that the product is genuine.

Additionally even if you don't care about that stuff, the people you are trying to sell it to may!

You need to give potentials zero reasons to object. A few simple spelling errors or poorly edited graphics can turn people away from an offer.

This is a numbers game and you have to maximise your opportunities for success.

Take A Clinical Approach - No Emotional Purchases Please This is Business
1. Buy the product and use it, evaluate it, review it.
2. Ask your Syndicate or group of friends to do the same
3. Research: Google the producers name and see if previous offers, articles, forum posts, bookmarks, tweets and alike are of suitable quality and/or meet your expectation of your business partners
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Syndicator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It's not about my conscience, for me. It's about my reputation as a marketer and whether I want my name to be associated with something that has a history of fraud, when there are so many other things just as good that don't.

This is spot on.

Your products represent your brand
Your Brand is You - Your reputation, your communication, your participation.

Given that IM seems to be such an individualist activity there is nothing more important than you.

Why let THEM destroy that?

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Paul Myers 14 years ago

Marhelper,

I look for anyone who's got a Yankees logo displayed prominently on or near their person.

Guy in a bar bumped into me the other day, and said, "Excuse me, sir. Sorry about that." As I turned around, I said, "What did you call... Oh. You're a RedSox fan. You may address me as sir."

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PS: Quality of product and fit for my subscribers.
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Sandor Verebi

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

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My own reputation as a marketer is involved, here: why should I allow my name to be associated with something that's apparently been fraudulently promoted by its vendor just because it's a good product? There are hundreds of other "good products" I can promote, whose vendors haven't (to my knowledge) been involved themselves in fraudulent marketing and allowing my name to be associated with them is therefore not (to my knowledge) living quite so dangerously....

Hi Alexa,

I take my hat off to you because of this post.

I'd say it isn't a post rather sounds a belief from you. I agree with you on this because the straight road is profitable if somebody is thinking long-distance about. Follow your own way.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

Is new to the 'game' (IM

) and is not offering money prizes/other prizes?

I would become an affiliate for anyone who had something I thought was worth promoting. Show me it's a good product that my customers would like and want, I'll sign right the hell up.

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MarketingJessie

14 years ago

People listen to you because you give them good advice. If you promote someone else's product and the product is garbage than who is going to pay attention to you after. You should alway pick what program to promote wisely cause if not than you are going to end up losing your customers that listen to you. And the next product you promote or you launch is going to lose a lot of value.

I wouldn't promote a product if I didn't believe it could or would work.

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Sandor Verebi 14 years ago

Hi Dennis,

I'm sorry if I caused some misunderstanding. Maybe I didn't express myself clearly enough. It happens. It's my fault because I intended to give a short reaction. Please, let me to make it complete.

Firstly, if someone has good relationship with his audience, earned some reputations and hold some name on the market - and has self-esteem, naturally - then he may not to allow himself the cheating or lying. It's quiet obvious. For this reason I wrote that "If you aren't use or know that product then you cannot to argue for it adequately and believably."

Secondly, if you aren't reviewed that product in question then you don't know

- it's quality and features (mostly what kind of benefits buyers can get from it),

- if will be fit to your audience's wants,

- how you can fit it into your sales funnel, etc...

so I wrote: "It is easier to write about what adjusts to the production structure claimed by your market." You are the sole person who can decide on it. Established decison needs facts not assumptions IMHO. If you know the facts you can write about it more easily.

Your sentences - "If the product doesn't tie in with that in some way, I'm probably not going to promote it. Promoting off topic products to a targeted mailing list is a sure way to not to make sales." - carry the essence in themselves, it's nothing to add.

Thirdly, I agree with your 3rd sentence because if someone take enough care on your #1 #2 points then he will be fine with his business.

Dennis, I hope it helps to make clear my standpoint. I am at your service with pleasure if you have a question yet.

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