Is UAW Considered a Spam Tool?

RNMKR

14 years ago

I dont think so ... article submitters dont really hurt anyone ... comment spammers really piss me off though!

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Ruth P

14 years ago

I personally think that comment submitters are spam, plain and simple, but with articles things are different. The good thing about UAW is that, in my experience, they do moderate the articles you submit so they have to be informational and not just random spun rubbish. I believe if you're writing articles that give value in some way like that, it's perfectly legitimate to use UAW as a tool to get them to more websites that accept them. Nobody wants to accept spam comments, on the other hand.

That's just my view - everyone is different and at the end of the day I would say just do what feels right to you

~Ruth

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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Tim, I'll give you my perspective as a former user of UAW submissions. For awhile, I had the plugin to get article distribution to one of my blogs. Fortunately, I had the caution to accept the submissions in draft mode, rather than having them go live immediately.

For every usable article, I deleted ten POS spun garbage articles. Of the usable ones, about half were submitted to the wrong category. By the time I weeded through the submissions, re-categorized the usable ones and did the posting, it was faster to find another source.

Would I consider it spam? No, I installed the plugin to get articles, and articles is what I got. Would I consider ever activating the plugin again? Not on a bet - the output is too much work.

On the other hand, I did find a handful of writers who did provide quality material, and those writers will continue to enjoy the links and traffic they get from my site.

At the risk of sounding crude, their submissions stood out like a daisy on a dung heap.

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Ruth P

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

For every usable article, I deleted ten POS spun garbage articles. Of the usable ones, about half were submitted to the wrong category. By the time I weeded through the submissions, re-categorized the usable ones and did the posting, it was faster to find another source.

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

On the other hand, I did find a handful of writers who did provide quality material, and those writers will continue to enjoy the links and traffic they get from my site.

Wow! There goes my idea that UAW moderate articles well out the window. That seems crazy! I can definitely see the drawbacks of using their plugin. From an article publisher's point of view, I'm glad to say I only submit real, informative articles. I guess it's up to us to use it in the right way, I only hope that association with other users who submit junk doesn't impact us negatively in the long run.

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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ruth P

Wow! There goes my idea that UAW moderate articles well out the window. That seems crazy! I can definitely see the drawbacks of using their plugin. From an article publisher's point of view, I'm glad to say I only submit real, informative articles. I guess it's up to us to use it in the right way, I only hope that association with other users who submit junk doesn't impact us negatively in the long run.

To be fair, I don't think UAW is aimed at content publishers like me.

I think the service is aimed at article marketers who want widespread backlinks and autobloggers that want hands-off content posting without being all that picky about quality.

If I remember right from when I looked at UAW from the other side, one of the main features is a built-in article spinner. Hence, "Unique Article Wizard"...

Ruth, may want to do a search or two and find out what is actually going out under your name and compare it to what you submitted...

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Ruth P

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

If I remember right from when I looked at UAW from the other side, one of the main features is a built-in article spinner. Hence, "Unique Article Wizard"...

Ruth, may want to do a search or two and find out what is actually going out under your name and compare it to what you submitted...

I do check up on my articles from time to time, and they are usually how I wrote them. This is because the 'spinning' feature of UAW is based on the way you write them, it's not done automatically so it all makes sense. Of course, I can imagine a number of submitters abusing this fact and just spinning them automatically, which personally I don't do.

~Ruth

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agc

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

....about half were submitted to the wrong category....

Would I consider it spam? No, I installed the plugin to get articles, and articles is what I got. Would I consider ever activating the plugin again? Not on a bet - the output is too much work.

My experience w/ a different service is that the miscategorizations ran about 50%. Those are spam. I call them category spam. I asked for Legal and Law articles instead I get replacement windows? That is a classic case of spam. No way to see it any other way.

I was planing to try UAW... hoping, since UAW claims to actually review the articles, that this would be rare. Bummer if they let the category spammers get through.

They really should just terminate accounts and keep the fee when someone miscategorizes chronically.

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PatriciaJ

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Tim, I'll give you my perspective as a former user of UAW submissions. For awhile, I had the plugin to get article distribution to one of my blogs. Fortunately, I had the caution to accept the submissions in draft mode, rather than having them go live immediately.

For every usable article, I deleted ten POS spun garbage articles. Of the usable ones, about half were submitted to the wrong category. By the time I weeded through the submissions, re-categorized the usable ones and did the posting, it was faster to find another source.

Would I consider it spam? No, I installed the plugin to get articles, and articles is what I got. Would I consider ever activating the plugin again? Not on a bet - the output is too much work.

On the other hand, I did find a handful of writers who did provide quality material, and those writers will continue to enjoy the links and traffic they get from my site.

At the risk of sounding crude, their submissions stood out like a daisy on a dung heap.

I had virtually the same experience recently, but most of the articles went into the wrong categories. I didn't mind the recategorising so much as the amount of spun articles. One on each site is enough and the quality wasn't all that good. I deleted the plugin and most of the articles after a week though I did find a couple of good writers who coincidence or not had just written one version of their articles.

I was testing the plugin out so I don't consider it a waste of time but if I had continued with the plugin it would have been a big annoying drain on my time.

I wouldn't consider it spam because I added the plugin myself and you can regulate how many you recieve a day and get rid of it, but if these articles had been submitted to my directories without my invitation I would consider it spam.

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Tim45

14 years ago

agc, you are jumping the gun. Try UAW they give a money back guarantee. I have been receiving articles for a week or so and have gotten some great content. Maybe they have improved since John was a member. As far as putting them in the proper categories, they seem to be doing a good job at that as well. I run two article website and one I do all the work manually and I get far more spam at that site than I do the other. As a matter of fact, I'd say 60% is spam and the majority of the people are to lazy to put them in the proper categories. I wish I would have uploaded the plug-in for that site now.

Thanks for your input

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Mike Newton

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tim45

agc, you are jumping the gun. Try UAW they give a money back guarantee. I have been receiving articles for a week or so and have gotten some great content. Maybe they have improved since John was a member. As far as putting them in the proper categories, they seem to be doing a good job at that as well. I run two article website and one I do all the work manually and I get far more spam at that site than I do the other. As a matter of fact, I'd say 60% is spam and the majority of the people are to lazy to put them in the proper categories. I wish I would have uploaded the plug-in for that site now. Thanks for your input

I have been using the plugin for blog content on one of my sites for well over 3 months now. As far as putting them in the proper categories goes, the average has been less than 35% for me. I receive them on a daily basis and there has been no improvement whatsoever in this regard.

Having said that, I don't have a problem with the articles themselves as far as content goes and I have seen many articles that were quite well written. They simply had/have no relevancy at all to the categories that I submitted.

Like John, I opted to receive them in draft mode (fortunately) and quite frankly, due to the extra effort required in weeding through the mis-categorizations and deleting non relevant articles, I have decided to uninstall the plugin.

Do I consider them spam? No! I wouldn't say that at all as far as my experience with them goes. As mentioned, I thought the content was fine. Just not relevant to the submitted categories.

Perhaps as John mentioned, they may be better suited for article directories or autobloggers that want hands-off content posting and who aren't overly concerned about article/category relevance.

Mike

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theimdude

14 years ago

I use UAW and they pretty sticky in accepting articles. As for the categories they seem to be keyword targeted rather than actual categories. I have one blog with 100's of keyword as categories and get articles in all.

Do a category "money" and you will get a lot of articles. Maybe UAW need to make a specific list of categories that is used by everybody that makes more sense and that will stop the articles going into the wrong category.

When you submit a article the categories aren't that big a selection but when the article is feed to the the article blogs I think it select a category that has a keyword closes

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Kay King

14 years ago

I think the categories at UAW are simply those categories that appear on most article directories - not just a list made up by UAW. Submitting in the wrong category is dumb because you miss the entire point of using UAW - to get articles published.

Quality unique article + two properly formatted rewrites....are necessary for UAW. I write for owners of major product sites that are paying $40-60 for each article+rewrites submitted to UAW. They submit top notch articles - in the proper categories and have gotten great results using UAW.

This is one more product that is powerful only when used correctly. I've noticed people trying to manipulate the categories in an attempt to get "more coverage" but if the articles are never published on other sites, they are wasting their time.

kay

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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Kay, one of the category examples that sticks in my mind is the fellow who continually submitted articles about toy trains to my "fishing and outdoors" category.

And if the authors are required to submit quality unique articles and properly formatted rewrites, someone at UAW needs retraining on what constitutes a "quality unique article"...

That said, I did find a handful of writers that consistently submitted good material. And even when they got the category wrong (in my mind), I could understand why they might have chosen that category (example: article on a heat/massage chair - "home and garden" or "health and beauty"? Could make a case either way, and I assigned the final category based on the content of the article.)

Even though I no longer use the UAW plugin, I do watch for articles by those writers when I look for content from other directories.

As for the rest, I'm slowly purging the ones who don't meet my re-tightened standards and replacing them with articles that do.

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Kay King

14 years ago

one of the category examples that sticks in my mind is the fellow who continually submitted articles about toy trains to my "fishing and outdoors" category.

And if the authors are required to submit quality unique articles and properly formatted rewrites, someone at UAW needs retraining on what constitutes a "quality unique article"...

You are right - the categories can be difficult at times because there aren't enough of them. Fishing and outdoors is a stretch:p There is no "toys" category and I've run into times occasionally where it was hard to decide what categories would apply. When that happens I go for the one that gets the greatest number of submissions if that's the only difference.

If you are selling "costumes", for example, does it go under "fashion"? Under "holiday"? Sometimes you have to use your best judgment. Too many times, UAW users are playing with categories looking for max submission numbers and miss the big picture. The categories can be tricky when you are targeting a tight niche market.

I think UAW only judges articles based on whether they meet its guidelines but I've also noticed disparity in approval/denial which seems to indicate real people at UAW may look at the articles and make a judgment.

I've had days when submission of 20 articles with a link in them were all denied - and the next day same thing was approved. Odd.

kay

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Chris-

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Quality unique article + two properly formatted rewrites....are necessary for UAW. I write for owners of major product sites that are paying $40-60 for each article+rewrites submitted to UAW. They submit top notch articles - in the proper categories and have gotten great results using UAW.

This is one more product that is powerful only when used correctly. I've noticed people trying to manipulate the categories in an attempt to get "more coverage" but if the articles are never published on other sites, they are wasting their time.

kay

Can anyone give approximate results as a WRITER submitting to UAW . . . I am finding that I am only getting about 10 backlinks known by Google and Yahoo, for an article that was submitted to about 500 places, 2.5 months ago. I am writing very clearly and honestly (although fairly basic info), and giving precise categories, and keywords etc. but getting these extremely dissapointing results. Can anyone tell me is this normal, or am I doing something wrong?

Chris

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Tim45

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris-

Can anyone give approximate results as a WRITER submitting to UAW . . . I am finding that I am only getting about 10 backlinks known by Google and Yahoo, for an article that was submitted to about 500 places, 2.5 months ago. I am writing very clearly and honestly (although fairly basic info), and giving precise categories, and keywords etc. but getting these extremely dissapointing results. Can anyone tell me is this normal, or am I doing something wrong?

Chris

Chris,

It takes time for your articles to be approved and all the back links to start pointing back to your site. Some of the article directories take up to a month to approve articles, I know because I run one. I have to read each article, check the title, the website, spelling, grammar, etc. I usually get through about 30 articles per day and I have 600 pages waiting for my approval. Their are 10 articles per page so if it's that way for my directory then I'm sure it's that way for most of the other article directories out there. The key is persistence and patients. It will pay off one day.

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Chris-

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tim45

Chris,

It takes time for your articles to be approved and all the back links to start pointing back to your site. Some of the article directories take up to a month to approve articles, I know because I run one. I have to read each article, check the title, the website, spelling, grammar, etc. I usually get through about 30 articles per day and I have 600 pages waiting for my approval. Their are 10 articles per page so if it's that way for my directory then I'm sure it's that way for most of the other article directories out there. The key is persistence and patients. It will pay off one day.

Thanks for your comments, I understand what you're saying.

Chris

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jgant 14 years ago

I should clarify my submission rate. I don't submit 3 to 5 individual articles to UAW per day (I wish I could crank out that many UAW articles); rather I set the number of article directory submissions for a single article I write to 3 to 5 per day.
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ImHot

14 years ago

Any tool that does not provide some type of value with the content it creates is a SPAM TOOL. But duplication is not always spam depending on how necessary it is.

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Tim45

14 years ago

Ruth is correct, it's a pain staking process that UAW puts writers through in order to achieve unique articles. Writers have to rewrite paragraphs of their article three times and each time they have to make sense as a whole or the articles will not be approved. It's for the benefit of the writer not UAW. So when your articles are spun they are not spun by a software or machine. They are rotations of the paragraphs the writer wrote.

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Tim45

14 years ago

I decided to turn the automatic approval process off so I can go through each article and approve them myself. I may turn it back on after I'm convinced that the articles are the quality I'm looking for. So far I'm happy with the service I'm receiving on both ends but only time will tell if the back links I receive are worth the effort.

Tim

PS. has anyone here used their writing service yet?

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Chris-

14 years ago

I agree that it's sometimes difficult to work with the UAW categories as a writer . . . often there's no category even close, yet you have to put something.

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Han Fan

14 years ago

This is like asking:

Does gun kill people or people kill people?

UAW can be use very effectively if you choose article
submission per day around 25-30...

anything above 200 per day, that just too much --> Spamming..

Han

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jgant

14 years ago

Is UAW spam? No. UAW, when articles are decently written, is no different in my view than article syndication which is done every day by many publications both on and offline. In fact, Google News pulls its content from other sources. Syndicated content is information sharing.

Is UAW effective? I can't say for absolutely certain because I build backlinks from a variety of sources; however, sites I've consistently submitted articles to UAW have risen in the serps. I'm pretty conservative with my submission rate - anywhere from 3 to 15 articles per day.

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