Can We Trust Our Fellow Warriors?

[MarketingSPY]

This is something I believe we all ask ourselves at least once during our travels inside the Warrior's Forum.

I've made some great friends and contacts inside the Warriors Forum - Many members are great and here for the right reasons.

With all the marketing and financial predators "online" and "offline" it would be nice if the Warrior's forum was a safe place to land. It would be great if all the members had compassion and was actually here to help, learn and advance the success of themselves while helping others.

I wish we could all relax and not be paranoid of being cheated by others. My dream is to walk into the forum one day and know that all advice is True and there are no liars and nobody will cheat anyone. I know it's a dream but it is a dream . . and I realize we must all be cautious before accepting any advice as gold or buying any product with expectations of miracles to happen.

How can we reduce the predators? Is it possible?

Do you have a comment?

[Dennis Gaskill]

The forum is a microcosm of humanity. You'll find all kinds here, and that isn't likely to change without a huge shift in human consciousness.

Trust is earned in a place like this. Until someone has earned your trust, proceed with caution.

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

The forum is a microcosm of humanity. You'll find all kinds here, and that isn't likely to change without a huge shift in human consciousness.

Trust is earned in a place like this. Until someone has earned your trust, proceed with caution.

Yep exactly .. I agree with Dennis.. Although a great forum and many great people there are many here with misinformation and those that are looking to steal the next buck they can get.

James

[MarketingSPY]

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

The forum is a microcosm of humanity. You'll find all kinds here, and that isn't likely to change without a huge shift in human consciousness.

Trust is earned in a place like this. Until someone has earned your trust, proceed with caution.

Yeah, you're right Dennis. I read "Return to Love" by Williamson and many books by Dr. Wayne Dyer. I'm also a big fan of Deepock Chopra.

[MarketingSPY]

If a Warrior feels he's been cheated or ripped off for any reason by purchasing a product from a Warrior - what should he/she do?

a) Keep his/her mouth shut
b) Complain on the forum about what happened
c) Complain only to the provider of the product
d) Push the moderator button

[Sue McDonald]

I believe in speaking out. You can't go into a corner and hide. There are two ways you can go - you can be aggressive or assertive and I would definitely pick assertive.

[tryinhere]

Originally Posted by MarketingSPY

If a Warrior feels he's been cheated or ripped off for any reason by purchasing a product from a Warrior - what should he/she do?
a) Keep his/her mouth shut
b) Complain on the forum about what happened
c) Complain only to the provider of the product
d) Push the moderator button

by the first post and this it sounds like you have purchased a dud ad now want to sort it, ? well with C above maybe re word it to , quietly speak with the provider rather than complain to see if you can get a suitable outcome.

Other than that go for A

[Mr. Enthusiastic]

The Warrior Forum is like a section of downtown where everyone gathers for the big get-together, bbq and gabfest. Remember that the one-way grid is closed to parking starting Friday at 4 p.m. All the usual rules about strangers you meet in public apply here.

The War Room is like a long-term membership to the Museum and Temple of Internet Advertising. See the world's greatest marketing strategies! Thrill to the exhibit of 10,000 ways to monetize Twitter! Stay behind the velvet ropes! Leave your opinion on the comment card, pencils are available from any usher. If you have an idea for a new exhibit wing, ask the curator! Please keep your voice down and no Flash photography is allowed.

Chris

[mywebwork]

Originally Posted by MarketingSPY

If a Warrior feels he's been cheated or ripped off for any reason by purchasing a product from a Warrior - what should he/she do?

a) Keep his/her mouth shut
b) Complain on the forum about what happened
c) Complain only to the provider of the product
d) Push the moderator button

You take it up with the member directly. If you bought it as a WSO you can start a dialog on the WSO thread. You don't start a post flaming the other Warrior.

In the WSO rules it states that any business you do here is between you and the person you deal with.

This is a huge community with a lot of wonderful people in it, but in any community this size you have a few bad apples. Just like in the real world.

Bill

[Mukul Verma]

Originally Posted by mywebwork

You take it up with the member directly. If you bought it as a WSO you can start a dialog on the WSO thread. You don't start a post flaming the other Warrior.

In the WSO rules it states that any business you do here is between you and the person you deal with.

This is a huge community with a lot of wonderful people in it, but in any community this size you have a few bad apples. Just like in the real world.

Bill

Now if you buy something and return is since it did not work as promised and is essentially a load of crap (assuming you did follow the guidelines and test it out).

Should you take it up privately or mention is on the thread as a review?

Additionally, if you learn something that is not disclosed like it will only work with blackhat?

Cheers,
Mukul

[JAIDEEP2959]

Most of the warriors like to help in this forum.

If you ask any question in main internet marketing section of this forum, you will get many useful answers.

Avoid warriors who are hyping products or suggesting blackhat methods.

Good Luck.

[Jim Hallmark]

When discussing relations with the Soviet Union during the 80's, Ronald Reagan was fond of saying "Trust but verify" which was a translation of the Russian proverb "doveryai, no proveryai."

At the signing of the INF Treaty he used it once again and his counterpart Mikhail Gorbachev responded: "You repeat that at every meeting," to which Reagan answered "I like it."

As do I, which is why I practice it in both my business and personal life.

[All Night Cafe]

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

The forum is a microcosm of humanity. You'll find all kinds here, and that isn't likely to change without a huge shift in human consciousness.

Trust is earned in a place like this. Until someone has earned your trust, proceed with caution.

But this is true of all forums, not just this one.

I believe there are more good marketers here
than bad.

just an opionion.

[WD Mino]

Trust is not something I will give easily I have been misled and scammed more times then I can count. People need to demonstrate they are here not just for themselves but to help others, as that is what I know to be one key of success. Integrity is not really something that can be faked people will always slip up somewhere down the line if they are acting.
I just think there are a hundred and 78 thousand some odd members here and it is like being in the outside world some parts of town are real scummy others are like the uplands very nice peaceful quiet etc this forum is like that it is simply a tiny faction of humans.

I am fortunate that there are people in here I can ask for help and I receive it. I could bring a problem to and get sound wisdom from but I notice a lot of people post things they really have no idea about and present it as fact not opinion so it really is not so simple as can we trust it is a matter of weighing things said and finding the diamonds amongst the glass
-WD

[Dennis Gaskill]

If you purchased a WSO you're not happy with you can ask for a refund. The member may or may not give it to you, especially if there is no money back guarantee, but you'll never know if you don't ask.

If your money is not refunded, post a review of the product in the WSO thread where it is sold. If you buy something you have a right, and some would say a duty, to post a review that points out what is wrong with the product. Be sure to stick to the facts and do not attack the person, and you'll be within the forum rules and perhaps save others from wasting their money.

[XRay]

I will trust you until you give me a reason not to trust you. There are members on this forum that are not only good marketers, but are also straight shooters. I will buy their services, tools or membership programs any day of the week (provided of course those things are a fit for what I'm doing online).

Ray

[Edk]

The same rules apply here as everywhere else. The answer can only be to super-sharpen your understanding of people. And genuinely try to help

[Steve Powers]

Of course you can.But it never means that you can believe in every one here.Only those guys who would like to share their experience and always willing to help others are worthy to trust.

[thehypnoman]

One thing I learned in my first month here is that someones opinion is not fact.

Ive made some excellent friends, bought some amazing helpful WSO's and bought some crap.

However, I have bought some WSO's which might be amazing, but I have never done anything with them. (who hasnt)

Also I have got some super service providers from the forum as well.

[TheMagicShow]

Hang in here long enough and you will know who is trusted or not. This place is very safe, the mods do their job to filter out the scums and the BS artists. The WSOs are there and if you have any doubt pm the person and ask as many questions as you need in order to possibly buy that wso.

The only red flag that I can think of, is when you want to, partner up or do a JV with someone. You need to get as much contact, possible with this warrior, maybe even ask about the warrior and see what other warriors say.

Other than that, this place is a great place and will continue to be the best... marketing forum on-the-web!!!!

[Steven Wagenheim]

You ask the following question.

Can We Trust Our Fellow Warriors?

Now, let's do a little word replacement.

Can We Trust Our Fellow Man?

Now answer the question and you'll have the answer to YOUR question.

[MJ Sterling]

I second the JV thing, you gotta watch out who you deal with.

I had a 'trusted' Warrior trying to get me to hand over the rights to one of my products to him, after a quick post on this forum about it, revealed he was trying to scam me.

[greff]

Most Warriors are extremely honest. Same thing for eBay.

It's always the few that spoil the soup and makes us cautious.

There are a few Warriors I would trust like I do drivers on the LA freeway. They will try to run us off the road with no regard for their own safety.

My main complaint are the Warriors who start a thread just to get people wo post on their signature links. You can tell by how many times they reply to later comments.

[seobro]

Back in the 90's most of the people on ebay were honest, but can't say that now. I believe that trust is something you earn. OK my experiences on wso have been less than stellar due to people who take my money. What we should do is have a rating system like the ebay way. Also, an escrow to keep crooks away.

[KateD]

Originally Posted by MarketingSPY

How can we reduce the predators? Is it possible?

Do you have a comment?

Hi...

I know that the Warrior Forum isn't perfect (what is), but is it really that bad? Reduce the amount of "predators"?

I guess I don't see that side of the forum. I know that there are some "unscrupulous" people here. But those type of people are everywhere.

But the thing with the forum is that if you want to get a better idea about someone, you can easily check on the posts they have recently made. And you can tell a lot oabout a person by reading the posts they have left on other threads (especially the ones that they didn't start).

KateD

[Jarrett]

that is a beautiful dream. but people can't be trusted. watch the news! the internet is dangerous lol

but in all seriousness.. there's always going to be scammers and crooks out there.. no matter where you live. Just keep your head up and eye out for people that offer things that sound too good to be true.. and you'll be fine

[lurch632]

i agree with most of the people who have posted here. humans are not all inherently good or bad. but many of them are both. there is no way you can keep all of the scammers out of a place as public and inclusive as the internet.

[DigiCypher]

I'd say to take the things you read and hear with a grain of salt. Use your own head and see if what these people are saying makes sense with the knowledge you already have. Always think for yourself when possible. Research what they say and see if it checks out.

Otherwise, as mentioned above, if you find they're basically full of crap and just spreading bad info around, then act as a moderator.

Remember: Members Are Moderators.

[logsweir]

We can only trust our instinct. It's very difficult to be absolutely sure of anything really..Our gut feeling is usually right....

[King Shiloh]

Until you give me a reason NOT to trust you, I will continue to trust you.

And if you don't give me a reason to trust you, I will not trust you.

However, I will not do any business with any warrior that has not shown/given me enough reason to trust him or her.

[FredJones]

I typically trust all the Warriors unless there is an explicit reason not to. But of course, use your judgment since Warriors are kicked out if they are caught on the wrong and someone has to be the first victim of the wrong-doer.

But as I said, that is seldom the case.

[logsweir]

Yes--I feel that most folk are in essence good--there is a minority in every field of endeavour. Trust your gut feeling--I think we should be right more than we are wrong, and the chances are stacked in our favour anyway, if indeed most folk are in fact good...

[sbucciarel]

Originally Posted by MarketingSPY

If a Warrior feels he's been cheated or ripped off for any reason by purchasing a product from a Warrior - what should he/she do?

a) Keep his/her mouth shut
b) Complain on the forum about what happened
c) Complain only to the provider of the product
d) Push the moderator button

What you can do is to post your concern in the WSO or pm the seller for a refund. You cannot complain on the forum ... that will get you banned.

The WF admin does not really babysit, so disputes are between you and seller, not you, the seller and the WF.

[superowid]

Trust yourself and trust nobody else. People change. You are the only one who will know if they change, but you can not make a change in them. So change yourself to face them everyday by trusting yourself and trusting nobody else. It works!!

[DogScout]

You mean other than James Stien, Steven Wag, Andy Henry and Dennis Gaskill?
Zeus (at least until he changes his nic to Haidēs), the "Official WF Babe" and a few others maybe, but it is unlikely this group is too much of a higher caliber than any other group. (A little better maybe?)

[JohnStP]

I just joined a couple of weeks ago, but I have to say, I'm pretty impressed with the integrity of Members, so far.

I think you just have to exercise common sense, and trust your instincts.

[Jude.A]

Originally Posted by mywebwork

You take it up with the member directly. If you bought it as a WSO you can start a dialog on the WSO thread. You don't start a post flaming the other Warrior.

In the WSO rules it states that any business you do here is between you and the person you deal with.

This is a huge community with a lot of wonderful people in it, but in any community this size you have a few bad apples. Just like in the real world.

Bill

I agree with you sir.

[Raydal]

The Warrior Forum is no different to any other church.

-Ray Edwards

[dtaylor]

I actually had to stop and think about the couple of times was actually "ripped off" by a WF member.

Those couple of times just fade to less-than-significant when compared to the tremendous value I have gotten from this forum. Every time I have gotten stuck I have been able to find the answer here. Sometimes in a WSO but most often in a post or free download from the War Room.

While I get a lot of value from the forum as a whole, the War Room membership has got to rank as the best money in IM I have spent.

I don't normally trust a lot of people but spending time here has definitely increased my trust factor. If I am not sure about the answer to a question being discussed (such as this one) I just wait until the posters have worked the subject over a bit. The answer generally becomes quite clear.

[cragar]

Originally Posted by tryinhere

by the first post and this it sounds like you have purchased a dud ad now want to sort it, ? well with C above maybe re word it to , quietly speak with the provider rather than complain to see if you can get a suitable outcome.

Other than that go for A

I would first try to work it out with them in the background, BUT>>>If they are found to be a rip!!! DEFINITELY DO NOT DO NOTHING!!
You have got to be kidding!!! Keeping your mouth shut does NOTHING TO STOP Scammers and Preditors...Keeping your mouth shut is BUllshi*. If you want to change things on this forum then you have to do SOMETHING about the behavior. Expose them and always expose them..Once the word gets around...Their gone. And anyone else coming in will be warned of the overall new changes to the forum- we deal harshly with IDIOTS>

You want a FRIKKEN cockroach to leave--TURN THE LIGHTS ON THE S.O.B.

Some one rips me and their ass is mine and I'll scream it at the top of the net.

PERIOD!

Must be that alpha male talking again

[MJ Sterling]

Originally Posted by williameasling

im new here and would like to know how do know who's telling you the truth.

You can't. You can only choose to believe or not.

[SuzanneR]

I agree with those who say proceed with caution. Even if someone is well-intentioned, they may just be flaky and disorganized and a waste of your time.

I got a little burned on 2 JVs--which is about all the lesson I needed to wake up.

In one case, the person offering the jv was legit and upfront--but she wanted to jv with a handful of people and I guess only one or two of us was reliable. So that tanked.

A more recent one was less honest, I think. I suspect the intentions weren't so good.

In both cases I did a little upfront work. Let's say 6 hours apiece...which is not tragic in the big scheme of things...lol!

But I'm pretty skeptical about whom I work with now.

So lesson learned without too much pain.

NEXT! :-)