How do you run a successful business with your customer's best interests at heart?

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Hey Warriors,

This has bothered me for quite some time now. I find that there are 2 sides to the coin.

On one hand you are running a business. And the business's main goal during the first phase which is the start-up phase is to create a PROFIT. If there is no profit then there is no business, its just a hobby. So for a while I focus on driving profit. I mean creating value in the market place is important but if you cannot profit from it then from a business perspective it's pointless.

On the second side of the coin is the desire to truly help my customers. So then I focus on trying to serve them better and create more value.

I am wondering if there is a natural conflict of interest here? I mean, you want to be honest with your customers, but saying on a sales page: "even with this product the journey is going to be tough, you will face hard times and this product will help you but won't be the solution to ALL your problems. Grow-up business is tough!" I don't think that would convert to well.

By conflict I mean in terms of focus. I owe it to my team, my family and myself to run a profitable business. There are a lot of people relying on me to do so. So naturally one of my main focuses is profit and all the things associated with creating a profit...driving traffic, improving CTR, conversion rates etc.

This is me just being honest but I would be lying if I said that all my decisions are based while thinking of my customer's first. Most of the decisions I make are driven by the thoughts: 1) How can I make more sales and 2) How can I increase profit.

I know this sounds bad but please don't misunderstand me. I create fantastic products that I put my heart and soul into. I create lots of value within my email follow-up and within the products themselves. I would never act without total integrity nor do business with anybody that didn't have it. I am simply saying that my main focus is to create profit. Is this bad?

I guess my real question is can you truly make decisions based on your customer's best interests when your main purpose as a business owner is to create a profit?

Let me know your thoughts,

Brandon
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by moneyblogger1 View Post

    I guess my real question is can you truly make decisions based on your customer's best interests when your main purpose as a business owner is to create a profit?
    This is why we have the phrase "conflict of interest."

    When you have one, you stop doing business with that person.

    Imagine that you are a freelance writer, and you also happen to have a blog about cat training. (The dog training niche is too saturated.) A client comes to you and says "write me five blog posts about cat training; here are my keywords, and here's the site."

    Your client's best interest says that you write him the best five posts you can.

    Your own best interest says to write him some crap posts, then jack his keywords and write good ones for yourself.

    No matter what you would do, you have to tell that client you can't take his order. Even if you really do write him the best posts you can, you can never prove that. It's an appearance of impropriety.
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    • Profile picture of the author moneyblogger1
      I have a question for you then...

      How do you try to sell a prospect one of your products when clearly the sale will benefit you? I mean the product could be fantastic with many great benefits that will help the prospect.....but at the end of the day is it still not a conflict of interest because you are the one to profit from the prospects purchase?

      Brandon

      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      This is why we have the phrase "conflict of interest."

      When you have one, you stop doing business with that person.

      Imagine that you are a freelance writer, and you also happen to have a blog about cat training. (The dog training niche is too saturated.) A client comes to you and says "write me five blog posts about cat training; here are my keywords, and here's the site."

      Your client's best interest says that you write him the best five posts you can.

      Your own best interest says to write him some crap posts, then jack his keywords and write good ones for yourself.

      No matter what you would do, you have to tell that client you can't take his order. Even if you really do write him the best posts you can, you can never prove that. It's an appearance of impropriety.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by moneyblogger1 View Post

        How do you try to sell a prospect one of your products when clearly the sale will benefit you?
        It's not my benefit that makes it a conflict of interest. It's the customer's suffering.
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    • Profile picture of the author businessmatt
      There's absolutely nothing wrong with making money, so don't feel bad, and don't think it sounds bad. Because you are right, you can be the most helpful person with the most helpful business in the world, but if you can't turn a profit you will ultimately fail, and then you will likely end up being a burden on your customers, rather than a help as they now have to turn elsewhere for what they need.

      From one businessman to another, do not EVER feel even the slightest bit bad about turning a profit. This is not a conflict of interest, this is business.

      On the other side of the coin, in order to build a successful business, you must be TRULY helpful to the customer. If your customer does not find value in what you offer, he/she will look for it elsewhere. It's very simple. If you sell a crap product, you may turn a profit for a time. You can even make very good profits by being deceitful, but in the end, everybody will realize that they can't really make their junk any bigger and stop sending you money.

      Offer a good product, and people will be willing to pay for it. They will gladly hand over large sums of money for something that truly solves their problem. You benefit, and they benefit. There is no conflict of interest here, but a mutually beneficial relationship.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I understand wanting to provide great products and service, I do too. But when it comes to things like the customer not taking action because there is work involved, that's on your customer. It's not your duty to solve your customers psychological issues. Sometimes they have to learn by wasting their money a few times before they're willing to change their ways. Some never learn. That's not your fault or the fault of your product. Not everyone can be helped because they refuse to help themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nickolie0990
    I think it is a question is what type of value you are creating for your customer. As long as your creating real value for your customers, then you should be worried about saying hey, would you give me $X for this value. There is nothing wrong with making an offer, just don't be a salesman.

    Think of it this way, if the thing you create really has value that will really help your customer for it, then the customer should be happy to purchase it.

    There is no end to the amount of money that people will spend, on the things that people want. People love spending money, they just don't like being sold. So, the key is to create desire for your value "whatever your trying to sell"

    In the end, if it really helps the customer, then there is nothing wrong with make a profit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicola Haxby
    Hi Moneyblogger1,

    I comes down to being ethical, which you clearly are hence your concience.

    Rule of thumb. Don't promote anything soley for commission, promote because you believe in the product and know it works.

    Do this and you will sleep at night knowing that you have given your buyers value.

    Warmest wishes,

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    • Profile picture of the author moneyblogger1
      If you promote affiliate products do you try out each one before you promote it? I have not really gotten into affiliate stuff too much yet.

      Originally Posted by Nicola Haxby View Post

      Hi Moneyblogger1,

      I comes down to being ethical, which you clearly are hence your concience.

      Rule of thumb. Don't promote anything soley for commission, promote because you believe in the product and know it works.

      Do this and you will sleep at night knowing that you have given your buyers value.

      Warmest wishes,

      Nicola
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      • Profile picture of the author Nicola Haxby
        Originally Posted by moneyblogger1 View Post

        If you promote affiliate products do you try out each one before you promote it? I have not really gotten into affiliate stuff too much yet.
        In a nutshell yes, or know someone trustworthy and credible that gives the product the thumbs up.

        You have two choices. Promote products you know to be good quality and stop the inner conflict or sell according to commissions, not knowing if the program etc is any good, take the money and stuff the buyers!

        You don't have to promote someone elses product you can create your own - one that you have faith in as you do it yourself.

        If you go the affiliate route this isn't restricted to info products and make money programs. Practically everything on the net has an affiliate program attached.

        For example, if you use Aweber and you think it's really great then that has an affiliate program. The same goes for hosting companies even Paypal.

        Think outside the box but above all be happy with what you do. No one wants to feel bad.

        If it's not fun don't do it - that's my moto

        Warmest,

        Nicola
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    Originally Posted by moneyblogger1 View Post


    I guess my real question is can you truly make decisions based on your customer's best interests when your main purpose as a business owner is to create a profit?
    Let me know your thoughts,

    Brandon
    Brandon,

    It is a balancing act with every business decision you make. Yes, your product must serve the customer (best interest), but you have to make a fair profit to even be in business. In my view if you can't accomplish both; then why are you in business?

    When it becomes a true conflict of interest is when you set out to screw the customer and stuff money in your wallet by doing so. Then you are no longer a business man but just a plain old rip off artist again in my opinion.

    "even with this product the journey is going to be tough, you will face hard times and this product will help you but won't be the solution to ALL your problems."
    There is no reason you can't use the above in your sales page. Your present customers and potential customers will find your honesty refreshing and may well kick your conversions up instead of down.

    I base my opinion on my own experience in using something similar on several of my offer pages. The feedback I receive when I use this phrase has always been positive.

    CDarklock said: Your client's best interest says that you write him the best five posts you can.

    Your own best interest says to write him some crap posts, then jack his keywords and write good ones for yourself.

    No matter what you would do, you have to tell that client you can't take his order. Even if you really do write him the best posts you can, you can never prove that. It's an appearance of impropriety.
    I believe you have no appearance of impropriety if you give your client notification of the fact you do have your own cat site and then give them the choice of using your service. My own personal integrity would not allow me to do anything less than my best for my customer.

    From reading your post Brandon, I don't think you will have any problem doing what is right for your clients and yourself.

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    • Profile picture of the author moneyblogger1
      Hey Ken,

      Thanks for the response. I think I am going to try and be a little more honest in my sales page. I am going to put in what I said and test it

      I think what it comes down to is if you create a product that is good and provides great value then you should feel great promoting it. There is nothing wrong with making a profit so long as you are honest and fair.

      Originally Posted by Ken Leatherman View Post

      Brandon,

      It is a balancing act with every business decision you make. Yes, your product must serve the customer (best interest), but you have to make a fair profit to even be in business. In my view if you can't accomplish both; then why are you in business?

      When it becomes a true conflict of interest is when you set out to screw the customer and stuff money in your wallet by doing so. Then you are no longer a business man but just a plain old rip off artist again in my opinion.



      There is no reason you can't use the above in your sales page. Your present customers and potential customers will find your honesty refreshing and may well kick your conversions up instead of down.

      I base my opinion on my own experience in using something similar on several of my offer pages. The feedback I receive when I use this phrase has always been positive.



      I believe you have no appearance of impropriety if you give your client notification of the fact you do have your own cat site and then give them the choice of using your service. My own personal integrity would not allow me to do anything less than my best for my customer.

      From reading your post Brandon, I don't think you will have any problem doing what is right for your clients and yourself.

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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    I mean creating value in the market place is important but if you cannot profit from it then from a business perspective it's pointless.

    On the second side of the coin is the desire to truly help my customers. So then I focus on trying to serve them better and create more value.
    I'm going to flip the equation on you. If you are creating more value, you can ALWAYS charge a higher price.

    You may not sell as many units, but you can make a higher profit percentage, and become richer.

    This is true in the IM market, just as much as in the real world. If your product can truly solve the problem (high value) then it demands a higher price, which increases your profits.

    An attorney who provides higher value through winning more cases is always more expensive, and more successful.

    A surgeon who is the most successful at saving lives, removing scars, or repairing body damage is always more expensive, and alway in high demand.

    Right here on the Warrior Forum, who gets the highest profits, the best clients, and serves customers the most? A copywriter who is just getting his feet wet, or the trained professional who creates high value copy which produces results.

    CREATE HIGHER VALUE, and you will have a more successful business.

    The entire point... Do exactly what your heart is telling you, create the highest value you can, and you will see your profits go up.
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    • Profile picture of the author moneyblogger1
      I have a question then....how do you know how much to charge? I would assume test it?

      I have often heard that an at-home video tutorial course sould sell for $197-$497. I am only charging $67, should I consider rasing the price?

      Thanks,

      Originally Posted by KansasDragon View Post

      I'm going to flip the equation on you. If you are creating more value, you can ALWAYS charge a higher price.

      You may not sell as many units, but you can make a higher profit percentage, and become richer.

      This is true in the IM market, just as much as in the real world. If your product can truly solve the problem (high value) then it demands a higher price, which increases your profits.

      An attorney who provides higher value through winning more cases is always more expensive, and more successful.

      A surgeon who is the most successful at saving lives, removing scars, or repairing body damage is always more expensive, and alway in high demand.

      Right here on the Warrior Forum, who gets the highest profits, the best clients, and serves customers the most? A copywriter who is just getting his feet wet, or the trained professional who creates high value copy which produces results.

      CREATE HIGHER VALUE, and you will have a more successful business.

      The entire point... Do exactly what your heart is telling you, create the highest value you can, and you will see your profits go up.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tyson Faulkner
        If you know that your products genuinely help people get to their goals, the value can be very high. In the IM niche if you have a system that can make someone $5k/month or whatever really, you shouldn't be afraid of charging a lot because your customer WILL get the value they are after.

        I think being honest in your sales pages is a great idea, and one that many marketers miss. Sales copy has become such a hype driven thing that everyone thinks that's the only way to get sales.

        The reality is if you harbor a good relationship with your customers, and they know you are looking out for their best interests (instead of just pitching any product that will make you money) then you could put up a page with a buy button only and your customers will buy it. It's all about building your name and reputation as an honest business man who provides great value in everything you do.

        I'm no business guru or anything, but these are my opinions =)
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    You run a successful business with your customer's best
    interests at heart by realizing that their best interests and
    yours are not at odds with one another.

    The are, in fact, one and the same. It's in my best interest
    to serve the needs of my customers. Profit or loss is irrelevant
    to that equation.

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  • Profile picture of the author molsted
    It is a very good dilemma acutally.

    a) If you only had your customers interest at heart then you could do the work for free. BUT then you wouldn't be making any money and wouldn't be able to help your customers at all... unless you are on wellfare or something and can stay at home and still have some money to live on.

    b) If you only focus on profit you can churn out products and over-charge like hell.

    Here's what I think:

    You need to set a price that makes it possible for you to get a decent income - an income that makes it worth spending all your day or whatever helping your customers. The price must be low enough for people to afford it but high enough to make it worth while to you.

    You can say that you must charge a high price because you can only work with so and so many people and you truly want to help these people be successful just like you.

    If people see you actually help them make money you could charge almost anything...

    Not sure if I completely answered your dilemma but I think it's close anyways

    lol
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  • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
    If you are making someone money and asking for money in return, I don't see a conflict.

    This is the hardest business lesson in my opinion! There are so many 'opportunistic customers' that will bleed you dry because of your helpful nature. Do not be afraid to charge (and yes even profit) from your knowledge and work. There is plenty of people that want this relationship with you (WIN-WIN) that to spend even a minute on opportunistic customers is a total waste.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Value is relative. If you're genuinely helping your customers, asking for money in exchange is not taking advantage of them.
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  • Profile picture of the author amitjain
    Its good you are putting your heart and soul in your business. This is an obvious condition with every businessman.

    All of us are in business to get good money and money comes when your customers are satisfied. Thats what makes your business long run.

    But don't try to make money too fast. At initial stage try to get the minimum profit at maximum customer satisfaction and with time you will get maximum profits.

    Remember "Perfection paths are not always shorter".
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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    Originally Posted by moneyblogger1 View Post

    Hey Warriors,

    This has bothered me for quite some time now. I find that there are 2 sides to the coin.

    On one hand you are running a business. And the business's main goal during the first phase which is the start-up phase is to create a PROFIT. If there is no profit then there is no business, its just a hobby. So for a while I focus on driving profit. I mean creating value in the market place is important but if you cannot profit from it then from a business perspective it's pointless.

    On the second side of the coin is the desire to truly help my customers. So then I focus on trying to serve them better and create more value.

    I am wondering if there is a natural conflict of interest here? I mean, you want to be honest with your customers, but saying on a sales page: "even with this product the journey is going to be tough, you will face hard times and this product will help you but won't be the solution to ALL your problems. Grow-up business is tough!" I don't think that would convert to well.

    By conflict I mean in terms of focus. I owe it to my team, my family and myself to run a profitable business. There are a lot of people relying on me to do so. So naturally one of my main focuses is profit and all the things associated with creating a profit...driving traffic, improving CTR, conversion rates etc.

    This is me just being honest but I would be lying if I said that all my decisions are based while thinking of my customer's first. Most of the decisions I make are driven by the thoughts: 1) How can I make more sales and 2) How can I increase profit.

    I know this sounds bad but please don't misunderstand me. I create fantastic products that I put my heart and soul into. I create lots of value within my email follow-up and within the products themselves. I would never act without total integrity nor do business with anybody that didn't have it. I am simply saying that my main focus is to create profit. Is this bad?

    I guess my real question is can you truly make decisions based on your customer's best interests when your main purpose as a business owner is to create a profit?

    Let me know your thoughts,

    Brandon
    Brandon:

    Sometimes, in a world of overhype, that kind of honesty can be quite refreshing to hear. Never underestimate it.

    Look at Domino's Pizza. They finally got honest, and admitted what people knew all along, and went back to the drawing board and cranked out a way better product.

    If it can work for them, it can work for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Popstar
    Brandon,

    If you're providing the product that you advertised (and not lying about what it can do or what it contains), then you've met your obligation to your prospective customers.

    At that point, it's the prospect's decision whether to buy or not. You're not putting a gun to anyone's head and you're not his or her babysitter.

    As to price, you charge what the market will bear. They'll let you know when the price is too high. They'll stop buying and/or start refunding.

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with maximizing your profits as long as you're not ripping anyone off.

    By earning more money, you have the ability to advertise more, compete effectively in the marketplace (including against less ethical competitors), and develop more products and services to help your customers.

    A business can't survive without profit. And if you price too low, you limit your profit, your ability to compete against wealthier competitors, and your ability to help your customers.

    It's admirable that you care about your customers and want to maintain your integrity.

    But I believe you need to separate your business mentality from your charitable one. It's a question of focus. Make your profits in business; give your money away in the charitable foundation you create from your profits.

    Your obligation to your customers ends when you provide the products you advertise (and support if that's part of the process). You are not obligated to be their guardian angel.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    KISS - Keep It Simple S

    Yes you have to run a profitable business
    Yes your customer has to solve there problem.

    You state what is profitable to you to run the business, if your customer feels that it is reasonable for your joint goal to solve the customers issue, they will pay. It they do not feel that it is fair and you cannot make a profit. You have to lower costs, change business or make some adjustments.

    See when I look at something, it is not you vs customer, it is you & customer vs solving the issue

    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    So, you have a problem wanting to make money but at the same
    time serve your customers too?

    It's really all about the approach. If people feel sold too, they run
    away and never come back - if they feel like your giving great value,
    they will be ready to whip out the credit card in a split second.

    Although, I understand the OP's positioning, I believe you can have
    your cake and eat it too. Who says' you can't serve people and ask
    them to pay you for your product/service (wihout coming off as needy,
    pushy, or salesly?)
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  • Profile picture of the author Jackbgd
    Originally Posted by moneyblogger1 View Post

    Hey Warriors,

    This has bothered me for quite some time now. I find that there are 2 sides to the coin.

    On one hand you are running a business. And the business's main goal during the first phase which is the start-up phase is to create a PROFIT. If there is no profit then there is no business, its just a hobby. So for a while I focus on driving profit. I mean creating value in the market place is important but if you cannot profit from it then from a business perspective it's pointless.

    On the second side of the coin is the desire to truly help my customers. So then I focus on trying to serve them better and create more value.

    I am wondering if there is a natural conflict of interest here? I mean, you want to be honest with your customers, but saying on a sales page: "even with this product the journey is going to be tough, you will face hard times and this product will help you but won't be the solution to ALL your problems. Grow-up business is tough!" I don't think that would convert to well.

    By conflict I mean in terms of focus. I owe it to my team, my family and myself to run a profitable business. There are a lot of people relying on me to do so. So naturally one of my main focuses is profit and all the things associated with creating a profit...driving traffic, improving CTR, conversion rates etc.

    This is me just being honest but I would be lying if I said that all my decisions are based while thinking of my customer's first. Most of the decisions I make are driven by the thoughts: 1) How can I make more sales and 2) How can I increase profit.

    I know this sounds bad but please don't misunderstand me. I create fantastic products that I put my heart and soul into. I create lots of value within my email follow-up and within the products themselves. I would never act without total integrity nor do business with anybody that didn't have it. I am simply saying that my main focus is to create profit. Is this bad?

    I guess my real question is can you truly make decisions based on your customer's best interests when your main purpose as a business owner is to create a profit?

    Let me know your thoughts,

    Brandon
    Of course you should focus on profit - the more profit you are making - the more value you are giving.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    More I think about this, I dont think its complicated.

    Do you have a problem charging $10 if you can make someone a $100 in there business or life?
    (then I would figure how to automate or outsource for $10 personally, so I can do it more)

    Every business transaction should be win-win

    Cheers,
    Mukul
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    • Profile picture of the author moneyblogger1
      I think the main thing it comes down to is ethics. As long as you are providing them something of value then they should be paying for it.

      BTW where in TO are you from? I work at Leslie and Steeles and I live in Barrie..(about an hour north)

      Cheers

      Brandon




      Originally Posted by Mukul Verma View Post

      More I think about this, I dont think its complicated.

      Do you have a problem charging $10 if you can make someone a $100 in there business or life?
      (then I would figure how to automate or outsource for $10 personally, so I can do it more)

      Every business transaction should be win-win

      Cheers,
      Mukul
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      • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
        Originally Posted by moneyblogger1 View Post

        I think the main thing it comes down to is ethics. As long as you are providing them something of value then they should be paying for it.

        BTW where in TO are you from? I work at Leslie and Steeles and I live in Barrie..(about an hour north)

        Cheers

        Brandon
        I am at Yonge/Sheppard (Obviously both home/work).

        Dude, I met up with a bunch of Warriors and Internet Marketing people yesterday. I put together these monthly meets, we had 26 people yesterday, over half from WF. PM me your email if you want to be emailed next time.

        Cheers,
        Mukul
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I build value into my product from the get go. I don't see any conflict between value and profit ... I see better profits by offering better value to customers. Happy customers are repeat customers and they also tell other people.
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