Facebook fan pages...list building on Crack!

Thanks...

Yeah I am thinking of putting together some free videos showing how to customize a facebook fan page with an opt-in form landing page and what not and a few other tips and tricks...

Honestly though 99% of my business is outside of the IM or info marketing niche... I am more into creating services or none IM niche pages that sell products and services... I am starting to move away from info marketing and info product creation and even the IM niche as a whole...So I am still undecided if I want to put together another info product...even if it is just some FREE videos... I need to come up with a good back-end if I do I guess

Thanks again
Gavin

Thanks... Most of my "stuff" when it pertains to facebook fan pages I learned for FREE by just doing... I have not organized my recommendations into anything other than a few blog posts...

One thing I have to say though is that people forget that facebook is STILL a social media network...And even though fan pages are all the rage with internet marketers it is important to remember the "social" aspect and just build your fan page while still being social... In other words don't be an anti-social spamming A-hole...But this is just more of a personal opinion and recommendation...At least do it this way if you want to have your fan page last and actually become an objectively valuable place...

We would all hate to see facebook devolve into what MySpace has become and what twitter is surely becoming....

Don't get me wrong I have been guilty of building and using my fan pages incorrectly...Again that is the learning through "trial and error" that I was speaking of... I'm still trying to clean up and salvage one fan page currently...

Anyway, if utilized properly FB fan pages can be a great list building source...

Thanks
Gavin

Fan pages are great.

I've set up a bunch of fan pages in various niches, and then forgot about them.

For some - I did no promotion. Others - I mailed my list.

Each one now has a few hundred fans. I have no idea where they came from

I'm not building a list with these pages (might look into it), but I do get sales...

I tend to agree but from what I understood , Gavin was using FB as a glorified hosting platform for a lead magnet / opt in page.

So even if they remove his page eventually, he's still got the leads nicely tucked away .

"Concerned" ? Not really... Easy come, easy go... Of course If I suddenly had one of my fan pages that has a few thousand members deleted without notice I may not be too happy about it, but as you pointed out I don't ultimately control the platform... That is why I use FBML and create a welcome page with a aweber optin form to capture a majority of the members that join one of my fan pages...

Some here would have you believe though that my "creative selling", as you put it, is completely unethical and a blatant violation of facebook TOS... I called shennanigans on these arbitrary assertions from these power usurping zealots stating that it was more of of a personal opinion of theirs and not fact... I guess my rebuttal was not appreciated and viewed as too argumentative (no matter how true my point may have been) and that thread was deleted...

Oh well, easy come easy go...

As to the Crowd Conversion course... I am very excited about it's relaunch... I can say it was definitely the first thing in a long time put out recently where I gained a ton of value just from the FREE stuff... never mind when I break into the new paid stuff soon to come... It taught me about FBML and a lot more... I can't wait to learn more... Robert Grant and Ian david Chapman really put together a quality product...

Thanks
Gavin

Jay, the only problem with your point is that taken to its logical conclusion the same would apply for ALL third party platforms - after all, EA deletes articles, Google deletes Adwords accounts, ditto YouTube with videos...

The risk doesn't stop you doing that stuff right?

As you well know, managed risk is the name of the game - what are the Terms&Conditions, how can I add value to the platform etc etc?

Cheers
TJ

I completely agree. Whether you like it or not, Facebook decides in the end whether to pull your page or not. After all, it's their prerogative. You would do the same if you were in their position. So indeed: abide to their TOS and you won't have a problem.
Facebook is an absolute gem: the potential is quasi endless.
Yet again, it only requires 1 crucial thing from your part: don't sit and wait. Act. Start now.

These guys have got it down. They're embedding flash videos on fan pages - with opt-in forms and clickable links through to twitter/friendFeed etc. Thay say it's within facebook TOS. Charging Warriors $200 to do it. Gurus For Hire Welcome | Facebook

Yes, those are very good articles IMHO thanks for the share...

Personally, affiliate links don't bother me if what the person is sharing is a quality product that can stand on it's own right without an affiliate program attached to it.... I know I am intelligent enough to discern if a product is a quality product and worth my time or if a person is just trying to huck their affiliate link solely to try to make a buck without regard to the quality of the product...

I rarely ever accept anything off of faith or solely from the recommendation of a "guru" with a built up reputation... Most "Gurus" are blow hard like most politicians and use the "herd mentality" to their advantage...At the same time this does NOT mean that they sometimes don't put out quality products...They do... Just a lot of the hype and hoopla that surrounding it is very manufactured to capitalize on the "herd mentality"

I always use my own brain power to determine if a product is a quality product that I can extract value from and learn from before I buy... This is why I don't get all huffy about affiliate links... I encourage others NOT to get huffy about affiliate links and use your own powers of discernment, to investigate, then to decide if a product is for you, regardless if an affiliate link is being hawked or not...Products should be able to stand on their own right and provide value without an affiliate program attached to it.

On the flip side I only ever recommend products that I have used directly and are quality products or are based on methods that I have already used successfully that I know will add value...Although I will always talk, ask questions about and discuss products or methods or products that I have never used or purchased...this helps the learning process which helps me decide.

The only "affiliate links" (if you want to call them that) that I see in this thread are in the signatures (which are allowed at this forum) that point back to personal static pages or personal blog posts that may or may not be related or in context to the thread. And those pages and blog posts may or may not have affiliate links embedded in them or are selling personal products...yours included.... Right?

Thanks again for the share
Gavin "not huffy about affiliate links" Lively

Thanks Beth,... I learn something everyday about using facebook fan pages and groups to build a community that want to learn about your products and/or knowledge...

It is always important to make sure you try to capture all your FB leads to an off page site that you control though... This is in the event that FB decides to delete your page for whatever reason... It has not happened to me yet, but I have alreayd heard the stories...

Thanks Again
Gavin