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14 years ago

From what I understand WSOs aren't supposed to be PLR products being resold:

1. All WSO's Must Be Something You Created. A Product Of Your Own. (A package of ebooks someone threw together is not considered a product and will be deleted) This is completely self explanatory and not up for debate. If you yourself did not create the product do not post it here.

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Michael Mayo

14 years ago

Mark, You should go and report the WSO ASAP.

PLRs can not be used for WSOs. What Suzanne Quoted above is correct.

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Teresa Coppes

14 years ago

I agree, should be reported.

However, this clearly illustrates the case of people not knowing what is on their hard drive. We constantly hear about people having x amount of $$ worth of products sitting around but can you count the same product twice?

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Reselling PLR is not allowed. You need to report this to preserve the integrity of the WSO forum.

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  and Mark, get a refund! you won't learn anything from it
  
  LOL... when I was reading it I was thinking to myself "damn, this is good stuff"
  
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  Please report it - there is enough crap going on in some WSOs recently that at least we should stop the ones that clearly violate the rules.
  
  It's not like the seller found it on his hard drive and thought he'd forgotten he wrote it. Worse, members are buying what they think is an original product - and clearly it's far from that.
  
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  Originally Posted by Mark Hess
  
  LOL... when I was reading it I was thinking to myself "damn, this is good stuff"
  
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  Is his version cheaper?!?
  
  Just kidding - joining the "you gotta report it" crowd.
  
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R Hagel

14 years ago

One more vote for "report it."

Good for the PLR buyer for taking action and making money with your content. But tsk, tsk to them for not following the WSO rules.

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Maddi

14 years ago

Hey Mark,

What happened to you is funny, strange and interesting. But it kind of makes me wonder that why do people like me suffer when I want to put a great wso out and I've researched properly that it has never been offered in the warrior forum before so the product is virtually new but since I personally didn't create it and bought the rights to it I can't do a wso.

Also yea the bit of copywriting made me giggle too making you buy your own product.

But yea I do think this should be reported.

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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

The problem is ... You are suppose to personally create it or at least pay someone to create an original for you . If I was going to run a WSO, I wouldn't have a worry of it being a dup product because It would come from my own pea brain. Not that i am going to run a WSO any time soon lol .

Originally Posted by Maddi

Hey Mark,

What happened to you is funny, strange and interesting. But it kind of makes me wonder that why do people like me suffer when I want to put a great wso out and I've researched properly that it has never been offered in the warrior forum before so the product is virtually new but since I personally didn't create it and bought the rights to it I can't do a wso.

Also yea the bit of copywriting made me giggle too making you buy your own product.

But yea I do think this should be reported.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Maddi

. But it kind of makes me wonder that why do people like me suffer when I want to put a great wso out and I've researched properly that it has never been offered in the warrior forum before so the product is virtually new but since I personally didn't create it and bought the rights to it I can't do a wso.

The distinction is between commissioning the product made for
your own label and buying PLR and repackaging it. Obviously
PLR is sold to many, many people.

If you want to have a product ghostwritten according to
your specifications, that's different. Many Warriors develop
software - it doesn't mean they program it themselves.

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Mark Hess

14 years ago

There are plenty of Scribd products out there, the only reason I know it was mine is because I included a series of specific details in the design and upload process of the document. (and I found the record from DPD and PayPal transaction from the person who purchased it)

(Which is another lesson, if you plan on using someone else's content to launch your own WSO try to use a different name other than your Warrior Forum name when ordering.)

I really don't want to get anyone in trouble over this or cause any headaches. I sold the PLR to the product so I feel it's no longer mine. People like the product and they find the information useful so it's helping others.

Plus, the WSO's creator is probably crapping himself right now looking at this thread...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Hess

I really don't want to get anyone in trouble over this or cause any headaches. I sold the PLR to the product so I feel it's no longer mine. People like the product and they find the information useful so it's helping others.

Plus, the WSO's creator is probably crapping himself right now looking at this thread...

Yea but he is violating the rules of this forum with your PLR so you should report them especially now that you've posted this. I guess now we have to add...

[NO] Violate WSO Rules by Selling It As Your Own Product WSO

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Kay King

14 years ago

Mark -

I do think it's a matter of conscience - you run WSO's and profit from them. That carries some responsibility for helping keep the WSO section a level playing field, doesn't it?

Violating the rules of what is allowed to be sold takes advantage of other sellers and of buying members, too. If it's done with no consequences, it will only continue with with more WSOs from that person.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Mark -

I do think it's a matter of conscience - you run WSO's and profit from them. That carries some responsibility for helping keep the WSO section a level playing field, doesn't it?

Violating the rules of what is allowed to be sold takes advantage of other sellers and of buying members, too. If it's done with no consequences, it will only continue with with more WSOs from that person.

kay

I was thinking he meant "consensus" when he said that. I could be wrong but that's the way I took it...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Hess

(Which is another lesson, if you plan on using someone else's content to launch your own WSO try to use a different name other than your Warrior Forum name when ordering.)

Only lesson that teaches is how to be a fraud.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Hess

I really don't want to get anyone in trouble over this or cause any headaches. I sold the PLR to the product so I feel it's no longer mine. People like the product and they find the information useful so it's helping others. Plus, the WSO's creator is probably crapping himself right now looking at this thread...

1) People like the product
2) They find the information to be useful

BUT

Like others have said, these satisfied customers aren't entitled to this product because the seller didn't create it.

What I don't understand is how the rule about "All WSO's Must Be Something You Created. A Product Of Your Own." can be a serious rule because I have bought software in the WSO section that I am nearly 10000% positive wasn't programmed by the person selling it.

Can you hire someone to create something for you and pass it off as something you created yourself?

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Danny Turner

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Hess

the only reason I know it was mine is because I included a series of specific details in the design and upload process of the document. (and I found the record from DPD and PayPal transaction from the person who purchased it)

If the above is true,

the only reason I know it was mine

sounds like the information was completley rewritten - and as such his own work - we might debate the ethics of this but as far as WSO rules go it is not a clear cut case in my mind.

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Lisa Gergets

14 years ago

Yes, but it is clearly against the rules of the WSO forum...that in and of itself is the reason to report it.

You may not have a right to the product, so to speak, but it doesn't belong as a WSO in it's current form.

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14 years ago

If this is the consciences (which I have a strange feeling it will be) then I'll report it...

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14 years ago

Jeez, maybe we should start adding that to our rights... LOL

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MichaelHiles

14 years ago

I say let it go and throw up a few CPA links to a Ginsu knife set. That's about the quality of the WSO forum these days anyway.

Most is total garbage.

BTW... that was sarcasm. Report it.

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Raygun

14 years ago

Wow, that is actually a very interesting story. It is amazing to me how many people buy the WSO's and do nothing with them. Super funny that the same people who bought your product also bought the other one.

The just shows me more and more how much the demand for the products far outweighs the supply of information.

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FrankBowman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Raygun

Wow, that is actually a very interesting story. It is amazing to me how many people buy the WSO's and do nothing with them. Super funny that the same people who bought your product also bought the other one.

The just shows me more and more how much the demand for the products far outweighs the supply of information.

This is an underlying issue as well. The WSO forum really has become garbage in my opinion. I mean there's one warrior there that comes out with one WSO a week it seems, and while I don't begrudge anybody making money, ever............. I can't see how one product a week will deliver value, but thats just me.

When I started on WF I got caught up buying probably close to a dozen "$7" specials, but reselling a prior WSO, with less content!!!......I'd report his arse.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Raygun

Wow, that is actually a very interesting story. It is amazing to me how many people buy the WSO's and do nothing with them. Super funny that the same people who bought your product also bought the other one.

The just shows me more and more how much the demand for the products far outweighs the supply of information.

I think the thing here is that people are looking for the "latest and greatest" - so it's not that the information didn't still live up to it's promises, as much as it wasn't the newest toy to play with. Having a ton of replies, and looking at the date something is started can actually eventually backfire if you are not offering some updates, etc.

Originally Posted by Iknow

Well... I hate when someone is breaking the rules, but seriosuly... Why report it?

Because this forum for the most part is moderated by it's members.

And while we all pitch in to moderate, none of us owns the joint.

Rules are there for a reason - which happened long before you did in this forum.

Originally Posted by Iknow

I see your point..

Well if the content was crappy I would report it, but now when it's TOP-NOTCH as you've said then I can't see the point of ruin it for others.. It's like.. Not cool!

You don't have to ALWAYS follow the rules...

Um, here, yes you do. If you have a question or issue about something, submit a support ticket.

Originally Posted by Iknow

Oh sure... I suuuuuuure seeeeeee the point in that one? NOT! He bought the rights, thats the difference! I know the Warriorforums rules says that he must NOT use PLR-products, he did.. Its illegal in THIS forum.. The creator (mark) is NOT hurt what so ever! The buyer will sell the product anywhere else than here because he bought the rights!

I can't see why THIS should/would hurt Mark WHEN he sold the rights!

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This can hurt Mark greatly. Because now I'm going to believe that the new seller is a genius, and Mark gets no credit.

When I shop in the WSO's I expect the person selling created the content or was the mastermind behind such an idea.

I know who to put the blame on directly too if something is not working.

What you don't know, can hurt you.

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14 years ago

Glad you reported it.
Make sure you also post inside the WSO warning others in the meantime.

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  Two words: report it.
  
  PLR material cannot be resold as a WSO. Period.
  
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Iknow

Oh sure... I suuuuuuure seeeeeee the point in that one? NOT! He bought the rights, thats the difference! I know the Warriorforums rules says that he must NOT use PLR-products, he did.. Its illegal in THIS forum.. The creator (mark) is NOT hurt what so ever! The buyer will sell the product anywhere else than here because he bought the rights!

I can't see why THIS should/would hurt Mark WHEN he sold the rights!

I STILL KNOW THAT IT'S AGAINST THIS FORUM..

Your points have no value when he owns the rights! So yes I DO see the point! I just can't see why he HAS to be reported, he made some money, some people used the product, everyone is happy.. He owns the rights, end of story..

BUT... Allen says that this is NOT allowed in this forum and there for I see the point in reporting him NOW when EVERYONE knows.. But if this thread did not exist then I think it's LOW to report it... Why be a snitch? Who cares? The owner? Nah...

You, my friend, are a real piece of work.

This is why we have so much crap in this industry...because of attitudes
towards the rules like YOURS.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Iknow

There is STILL one thing you guys are forgetting!!! The product is NOT crap.. If it WERE crap.. Well report it, who want's crap laying around?

This product is USEFULL AS H*LL, that's the difference!

I really DO see the point in reporting a crappy, useless product, but if it's usefull etc. etc. then I can't see why you guys are crying so much about it.. No offense Steven, that's just my opinion.

And for the record, my stuff is NOT crap or garbage that's for sure..

Guy walks into a bar and shoots a well known racketeer and killer. The man
was, without a doubt, scum.

The guy who shot him still goes to jail for murder.

It doesn't matter if the product is good, bad or made by Mother Theresa.

The rules are the rules and if YOU can't understand that then...

I'll let you finish the above sentence because if I do, I just might find
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Iknow

So you never brake the rules, or BEND them? You're not BREAKING the rulees by NOT telling anyone about a subject which maybe is illegal... It's maybe unethical, nothing more than that.

This is my point from my previous post. Offline when you "break the rules" you end up in the "Tombs" underneath 100 Center St, in downtown Manhattan..........so go ahead, keep breaking and bending the rules.....just don't drop the soap.

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SantiSantana

14 years ago

I will try and respond the question Iknow poses in an objective manner. Let me give you an example:

Person A creates a product. He sells PLR rights to it. Persons B to H buy the PLR rights.

Persons B to H decide to resell the product. of them, persons B to E ar emembers of the warrior forum.

Persons B and C sell the product as is, without modifications. They just change the title and/or headline as the copy has proven to be good.

Person D and E modify the product slightly to adapt it to their way of writing and/or explaining. They proceed to change the title of the product ( or not).

They all post their WSO´s. You got 4 products that are exactly the same on the forum, which ar a copy of an original product, perhaps also sold on the forum, perhaps not.

Scenario 1

Some people buy the same product from 2 or more buyers. Refunds, complaints, grief for them. A high level of refunds can affect your relationship with your payment processor, depending on whic one you use. Grief for you.

Scenario 2

Original product owner buys one of the versions of his product. He makes an funny/interesting post about it in the forum. The product gets found out as PLR, which takes you to Scenario 1

Scenario 3

Nothing is done about the fact that one slipped away. A swarm of PLR products ensues on the warriorforum WSO section that will use that previous case as a defence, which takes you to scenario 1 times one thousand.

End result

The WSO section becomes worthless as buyers will not know whether the product they ar ebuying is an original one or one they already own, damaging also the forums finances.

So the rule of no PLR allowed basically protects everyone. Buyers by knowing they are getting top content, not rehashed work; sellers by ensuring they are aon a level playfield with no one taking advantage by trying to undercut them with their own product; the forum, by protecting its reputation for high quality in all of its areas.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by SantiSantana

Scenario 3

Nothing is done about the fact that one slipped away. A swarm of PLR products ensues on the warriorforum WSO section that will use that previous case as a defence, which takes you to scenario 1 times one thousand.

End result

The WSO section becomes worthless as buyers will not know whether the product they ar ebuying is an original one or one they already own, damaging also the forums finances.

Unfortunately, there is someone on this thread who just "doesn't care" about this result - which in turn tells me they don't care about what happens on this forum.

Makes me wonder why they would even bother to post....

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  Christ! understand what I'm writing instead of getting me scenarios which doesn't exists!
  
  You're a slow learner for someone who professes to be a few hundred thousand dollars short of a Ferrari.
  
  The OP bought his OWN WSO without realizing it. What part of that don't you get? That's exactly what would happen if PLR were allowed to be sold in that way on the WSO forum. Everybody would be buying duplicates. I don't want to have to be asking for refunds for crap all the time and no one else does either.
  
  You seem to have NO understanding of the WSO forum and the quality and value that is supposed to be offered there. This isn't Digital Point in case you're lost and accidentally ended up here.
  
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  Iknow, as I stated in my previous post it´s about the fact it´s PLR. They don´t need to be placed there at the same time. In fact, having them there at the same time makes them easier to spot and then avoid. It´s harder to tell it´s a different one if they are at different points in time. Such a thing is very hard to control, so I suppose for the sake of avoiding having to do so the rule was put in place to begin with.
  
  The way I understand it if the poster of that material is a regular forum member he will simply be notified, his WSO cancelled and he will be reminded to read the forum rules. If it is a person with not much history and has never done anything like this, pretty much the same. If it´s not the first time that person has done this there will probably be a ban coming.
  
  We might not agree with the rules all the time, but entering a forum ( or any othe rplace for that matter) that has them simply forces us to comply. It´s like with the smoking ban in public places ( in place in UK back when I lived there), I might not like what it means to me as a smoker but it is a rule ( a law) in place and I have to abide by it.
  
  Can I try and smoke in a public place there? definitely, but if I get caught out there will be consequences. Whether I agree with the rule or not, whether I find it unfair to smokers or not it´s not the point, the point is I have to abide by it or else leave and go to a place where such a rule doesn´t exist ( incidentally that´s what I did, but not for the smoking rule reason).
  
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Guy walks into a bar and shoots a well known racketeer and killer. The man
was, without a doubt, scum.

The guy who shot him still goes to jail for murder.

It doesn't matter if the product is good, bad or made by Mother Theresa.

The rules are the rules and if YOU can't understand that then...

I'll let you finish the above sentence because if I do, I just might find
myself with another 7 day vacation from this place.

Ah man Steve, when I read "Guy walks into a bar..." I thought you were going to tell us joke.......lol

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FrankBowman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Iknow

There is STILL one thing you guys are forgetting!!! The product is NOT crap.. If it WERE crap.. Well report it, who want's crap laying around?

This product is USEFULL AS H*LL, that's the difference!

I really DO see the point in reporting a crappy, useless product, but if it's usefull etc. etc. then I can't see why you guys are crying so much about it.. No offense Steven, that's just my opinion.

And for the record, my stuff is NOT crap or garbage that's for sure..

This makes no sense sir/madam.

You're going to report someone for violating forum rules because you don't think the product has any value, ask for a friggin refund, ................thats not a "reportable offense"

What this guy is doing is reportable, at as I read the rules.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by FrankBowman

This makes no sense sir/madam.

You're going to report someone for violating forum rules because you don't think the product has any value, ask for a friggin refund, ................thats not a "reportable offense"

What this guy is doing is reportable, at as I read the rules.

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Ever hear the phrase "lost cause?"

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Iknow

Oh sure... I suuuuuuure seeeeeee the point in that one? NOT! He bought the rights, thats the difference! I know the Warriorforums rules says that he must NOT use PLR-products, he did.. Its illegal in THIS forum.. The creator (mark) is NOT hurt what so ever! The buyer will sell the product anywhere else than here because he bought the rights!

I can't see why THIS should/would hurt Mark WHEN he sold the rights!

I STILL KNOW THAT IT'S AGAINST THIS FORUM..

Your points have no value when he owns the rights! So yes I DO see the point! I just can't see why he HAS to be reported, he made some money, some people used the product, everyone is happy.. He owns the rights, end of story..

BUT... Allen says that this is NOT allowed in this forum and there for I see the point in reporting him NOW when EVERYONE knows.. But if this thread did not exist then I think it's LOW to report it... Why be a snitch? Who cares? The owner? Nah...

This attitude exists only because on the internet you have the ability to somewhat hide yourself, behind a screen name or a proxy.

But if a person were follow this attitude in the offline world...............well I'll just leave it at that.

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Rus Sells

14 years ago

Hey,

Members are moderators, in other words Allen has left it in the hands of the community to police the boards when users break the rules.

Using PLR content is against the rules and for a VERY good reason as indicated by other forum members in this thread.

I imagine the reason PLR content is not allowed here is so that forum members don't buy the same content more then once, and to keep the content that is provided original, unique and the latest.

He didn't buy the "rights" to offer the product as a WSO. He bought the rights to private label it, and sell it anywhere else where it's permitted.

Private label does not mean "created by" the person private labeling it.

WSO rules specifically state that one must have created, or I imagine if it's a business have been in the creation process to offer it as a WSO.

Originally Posted by Iknow

Oh sure... I suuuuuuure seeeeeee the point in that one? NOT! He bought the rights, thats the difference! I know the Warriorforums rules says that he must NOT use PLR-products, he did.. Its illegal in THIS forum.. The creator (mark) is NOT hurt what so ever! The buyer will sell the product anywhere else than here because he bought the rights!

I can't see why THIS should/would hurt Mark WHEN he sold the rights!

I STILL KNOW THAT IT'S AGAINST THIS FORUM..

Your points have no value when he owns the rights! So yes I DO see the point! I just can't see why he HAS to be reported, he made some money, some people used the product, everyone is happy.. He owns the rights, end of story..

BUT... Allen says that this is NOT allowed in this forum and there for I see the point in reporting him NOW when EVERYONE knows.. But if this thread did not exist then I think it's LOW to report it... Why be a snitch? Who cares? The owner? Nah...

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Jill Carpenter

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Iknow

It could hurt him anyway.. What did you guys not understand by "selling the rights".. It could hurt him anyway, agree? Good :-)

Far from it. Selling rights is one thing.

Someone trying to pawn stuff off as their own in an area of the forum where it is not allowed is another.

You don't seem to realize - there is a classified area if you want to sell stuff you have rights to.

Areas are spread apart for a reason here.

This guy could sell this in a different area.

Please, it's not rocket science.

Originally Posted by Iknow

I understand that but in my opinion it's better that the users get something valuable than this guy getting caught..

If the product were a REALLY useless piece of sh*t then h*ll yeah! He should be banned for life, but right now he is HELPING others with GREAT value without hurting anybody

Yes, and they can still get that info in the classifieds.

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Istvan Horvath 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Iknow

If the product were a REALLY useless piece of sh*t then h*ll yeah! He should be banned for life,

No. He should be banned because he broke the rules. Period.
Why are you so slow today...?

Originally Posted by Iknow

but right now he is HELPING others with GREAT value without hurting anybody

1. It is not "great" value - as it was already explained to you several times. You are really slow to get it.
2. He's hurting EVERYBODY. He's hurting the spirit of this forum. As you do by stubbornly defending the person who broke the rules.
3. And despite what you think ("Who cares?") - a lot of members do care about it. That's why we click on the "report this post" button :p
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Originally Posted by Iknow

Your points have no value when he owns the rights! So yes I DO see the point! I just can't see why he HAS to be reported, he made some money, some people used the product, everyone is happy.. He owns the rights, end of story..

BUT... Allen says that this is NOT allowed in this forum and there for I see the point in reporting him NOW when EVERYONE knows.. But if this thread did not exist then I think it's LOW to report it... Why be a snitch? Who cares? The owner? Nah...

He owns the rights but he does not have the RIGHT to sell it in this forum.

WHO DOES HE HURT?

He hurts the poor suckers who don't realize that they already purchased this WSO from the original creator for one. He also hurts all the legitamate sellers who abide by the rules and bust their ass to create unique high quality products to sell, according to the WSO rules. If unreported, these scammers get away with it and the entire WSO forum loses quality, so he also hurts Allen Says.

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Tina Golden 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Iknow

You don't have to ALWAYS follow the rules...

Nope, you don't but you don't ALWAYS get to keep an account either.:rolleyes:

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dorim 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Iknow

You don't have to ALWAYS follow the rules...

Yes you do ALWAYS have to follow the rules.

The WSO rules are the product must be created by you, whether the content in this WSO is good is a moot point, its a WSO that is breaking all the rules and it needs to be removed and people's money refunded.
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KarlWarren

14 years ago

Ok, there seems to be a lot of APATHY when it comes to rule-breaking.

Don't worry, it happens offline too...

The guy who sees someone getting mugged and crosses the street.
The woman whose friend is being abused and doesn't say anything.
etc.

There's a lot of TALK about what should and shouldn't be done, but there doesn't seem to be much action.

My advice...

If something is WRONG, report it.
It is up to the mods to decide if the report is then justified.

We POLICE the forum, the moderators and admin are the JUDGES.

It's that simple.

Rules is rules, we all try to abide by them, but it's time more people helped to enforce them.

That's my .02

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LilBlackDress

14 years ago

What about the person who bought the rights to it...can they sell it as a WSO.

Mark that was an excellent report. I really learned a lot from it (except how to pronounce Scribd - teasing ya). Very awesome report! Considering Scribd has been deleting account etc. you probably picked a good time to sell.

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Hess

YI'm not pissed or anything since I sold the rights to the product and there are over 57,000 other websites selling the product with various rights: "scribd traffic exposed" - Google Search

I just find it interesting that people who purchased the original product from me can't tell the content is exactly the same (and I also found it amusing that I bought my own product... damn copywriters)

You should be pissed and you should report it. It is against TOS for sellers to sell PLR as their own product. It does everyone, other sellers and buyers of that WSO a disservice to let these people get away with this crap.

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shabit87

14 years ago

Quick question, how soon did you realize that this was your product? I know when I read products and adapt my style to fit like those that I've read, I sometimes forget who said who (goes more for achedemic writing), I'm just curious to know how soon it took for you to know that it was yours...or was it all videos (may have missed that, if so sorry)?

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JennSpencerIM

14 years ago

I don't think Mark meant for this thread to go in this direction when he posted this but it has made me think a lot about some good issues here...so thanks to everyone for your thoughts on this issue. Appreciate your analogy here too, Rob!

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Imran Naseem

Banned 14 years ago

Its like Iphone taking on Blackberry for copying their style and functions.

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FrankBowman

14 years ago

Agreed...........

So Steve, how the hell are ya!!!??

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FrankBowman

14 years ago

OK, I'm done ..............its like talking to my 4 y/o when she's having a temper tantrum

Good luck to you sir !!!!!!!!, really............with this kind of mentality you'e gonna need it sooner or later.

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Cali16

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Iknow

Do you even know me?

I'm 21 years old.. I have used this forum for several years now, I know more than you will ever know.. Trust me on that... I started with IM at age 14, så 7 years experience.. The first 3 years I made nothing because I was in the learning process.. Now I'm making a fortune.. And "Future Rich Kid" means that SOON I will get my f*cking ferrari.. I'm just a couple of hundred grand from that.

Hmmmmm....perhaps Allen should consider requiring that new members pass a basic IQ test before they can post.....

In response to your above post, "Iknowitall" -

1) It's doubtful anyone here wants to know you - you've already made a complete fool of yourself in this thread (not wise when you're new to a forum....)

2) You're 21?? You're exhibiting the maturity (or immaturity) of a 5 y/o - at best...

3) You've used this forum for "several years"? Hmmm... I'm guessing the reason you joined in Jan of 2010 then is because you were banned in the past (which would be no surprise considering your disregard for rules and your obvious inability to play well with others...)

4) You claim to be making a "fortune"?? That's highly doubtful...that would require some degree of intelligence...... 'nuf said on that one...

To the OP - very unfortunate that someone is reselling your WSO, and that this clueless moron had to hijack your thread. I do hope for the sake of all Warriors that you did report it.

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FrankBowman

14 years ago

OK this is the last one...........

The OP said the product being resold is the same product as the one he sold his rights to,............ MINUS 4 videos...............so the user is getting something of LESSER VALUE, that's why the rule, which you think is fine to break, exists!!!!!!

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Mark Hess

14 years ago

Before this get entirely out of hand I would just like to point out some things...

I sold the rights to the product as unconditional PLR and I know the consequences that come along with that. I see this as no longer MY product.

I don't believe the seller meant to "scam" or hurt anyone. The responses in his WSO thread have been positive and some people have been finding great value in the product.

I'm just surprised that someone would buy PLR from the WSO forum and resell it on the very same forum.

That being said, I know it is against forum rules and it needs to be reported. Because rules are rules.

I have been in the IM/MMO niche for a little less than a year. All of my previous years online have been devoted to niches outside of this one where I have built a nice, solid business for myself.

Then I got involved in the IM niche and things are definitely different...

Mike Hill's thread is a good example of this: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...want-quit.html

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14 years ago

"I just find it interesting that people who purchased the original product from me can't tell the content is exactly the same (and I also found it amusing that I bought my own product... damn copywriters"

WARNING: Doing internet marketing can cause your brain to deteriorate, senility, and other irreperable brain damages. So, do it at your own risk.

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Mukul Verma

14 years ago

Mark, your OP in the funniest thing I have read all day!!!! HILARIOUS!!!!

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14 years ago

Gotta be frustrating but it'll all work out

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whawk57

14 years ago

KLANG Klang *metalic door sound* The WSO thread is busted or suspended for investigation, no bail out until investigation procedure is finished. NO PLR products in Warrior's forum...

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14 years ago

Mark, if you're worried the great information packed in your product doesn't reach enough hands out there, you would do them and yourself a great favor by reporting it and reopening your own WSO thread.

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aldo112

14 years ago

I'm speechless right now.
It's a WOW for me, the person who sell your WSO is very brave.

Well in my opinion if that product is 100% is the same as yours, then I can say it's piracy.

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mikemac1

14 years ago

Besides the obvious violation of selling the PLR of your report, I'm amazed at how the same people bought both and, like you found, still commented like they've never read it before.

It really shows how many people buy something and never implement it or maybe never even read it.

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Mark Hess

14 years ago

Originally Posted by michael-mac

Besides the obvious violation of selling the PLR of your report, I'm amazed at how the same people bought both and, like you found, still commented like they've never read it before.

It really shows how many people buy something and never implement it or maybe never even read it.

One person commented on the thread who had bought my report the first time around that they knew all this before... but the rest didn't.

95+% of the content contained in the "new" product was taken from my original report. (and believe me, the other 5% is nothing to write home about).

The original reason why I named the product "Scribd Traffic Exposed" to begin with was because I wanted to let people know it was about Scribd. I thought EVERYONE knew about Scribd and I didn't want to present it as some super secret ninja site and be swamped with refunds.

I guess everyone doesn't know about Scribd... and I need better copywriting skills.

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1life1fire

14 years ago

Hi Mark!!

Personally by my own values... I believe it's wrong to buy a persons product, then twist it into your own product and sell it without specific permission from the author.

If the author gives permission to you to write a report about his/her product and sell the report as your own ... while promoting the original authors website or products inside the report... then I feel it's ok.

It sounds like in this case - you sold the private label rights to whom ever bought it... and, like you said, 57,000 other website selling it right now.

But... the WSO forum rules... say ...

1. All WSO's Must Be Something You Created. A Product Of Your Own. (A package of ebooks someone threw together is not considered a product and will be deleted) This is completely self explanatory and not up for debate. If you yourself did not create the product do not post it here.

If the mod's of the WSO threads approved this guys "new version" of the WSO ... then either it slipped passed the Mod's or it is not violating the rules.

What can you do??

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1life1fire

If the mod's of the WSO threads approved this guys "new version" of the WSO ... then either it slipped passed the Mod's or it is not violating the rules.

Just so you know, the mods don't review the actual products, so they have no way knowing it was a previous WSO product that was repackaged. Nothing "slipped past" them at all because they had no way of knowing it violated the rules prior to being reported. That's one reason member moderation is absolutely crucial to the integrity of the forum.

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Rus Sells

14 years ago

I think the former is more accurate. Besides the mod's can't be expected to check a plr database somewhere against the wso. Does such a database exist? Hmmm $$$$ lol

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Just so you know, the mods don't review the actual products, so they have no way knowing it was a previous WSO product that was repackaged. Nothing "slipped past" them at all because they had no way of knowing it violated the rules.

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Mukul Verma

14 years ago

This is a simple case here, why complicate it.

If you dont like the WSO rules about PLR, dont promote it, simple at that.

Yes, you can sell a PLR as your own
NO, you cannot sell a PLR on WSO

It is that simple

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14 years ago

I hold fast to one very important rule as a business owner;

Hire a teenager while they still know it all.

IKNOW would you like a job? I'm hiring!

You sir have NO MORAL compass!

I pray that you don't end up destitute, but hey that might be just what you need.

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  I have no moral! CORRECT! That's why I'm doing so damn good! You sir is a JOKE for offering ME a job!
  
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  It doesn't need to be more complicated. It's simply the WF working as it should work.
  
  Mark noticed what had happened - and as long as it is reported, the rules are being observed. It's only when it's not reported or mentioned that problems are allowed to proliferate.
  
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garyv

14 years ago

I think the whole point of not having PLR being sold is so that we're not constantly buying the same crap w/ a new cover. I mean that almost happens all of the time in there anyway. But could you imagine it if PLR was allowed to be sold? You'd be afraid to buy anything for fear of already having it.

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TheKeys

14 years ago

That's so crazy! Please report whomever the WSO you bought from.
I have never heard of something like that before

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14 years ago

Ya, I have no idea how the mods could check each one.. that would be a lot of time and resources wasted.

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Claire Koch

14 years ago

Very enlightening. But I have to say many books that come out about how to do WSO's talk about using PLR (rewriting it) etc, most say completely change it. So I'm not trying to defend anyone but I will say I think a lot of people have just been mislead. That being said I think we should all read the rules everywhere we go periodically and not just listen to other peoples advice.

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14 years ago

Hi mark

i totally agree i sell plr myself and see the huge profit potential both for the buyer and seller of the product.

However there is a lot of people out there today that if you include the pdf file in the plr package they wont even bother with the word one and then go out and sell it how you had it not even with their own name attached!!!

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14 years ago

I have to say, this is a very interesting story. But I do not understand how those people did not figure out it is the same content?

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Jill Carpenter

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Claire Koch

Very enlightening. But I have to say many books that come out about how to do WSO's talk about using PLR (rewriting it) etc, most say completely change it. So I'm not trying to defend anyone but I will say I think a lot of people have just been mislead. That being said I think we should all read the rules everywhere we go periodically and not just listen to other peoples advice.

LOL, you know, this might be one of the reasons why Ezine prohibits writers on the topic of PLR.

If someone is telling you to use PLR to create a product that is fine - but that should not be intended for creating products you are going to promote as a WSO.

If you have come across a product that is telling you slap some content together and sell it in the WSO's then you may need to report that WSO.

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