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Frank Kern's List Control & Andy Jenkin's Video Boss = Kajabi

by Shane Hale
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I am amazed... I like to look at sales processes. ( I am a freak like that). I was noticing that these latest big time fancy pants launches had one thing in common. (Kajabi) Kajabi

I noticed that the videos and pages seem to be pre-loaded already and are possibly time released, (What it seems to me); a launch-O-matic type of content management system.

If this is the case, this piece of software will be pretty awesome. It will manage the Launch and membership site as well as product distribution.

Anyway, thought I would share... Seems like another cool shopping cart for information products.
#andy #boss #control #frank kern #jenkin #kajabi #list #video
  • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
    I wanted to ask the same. Does anyone know when this would be available and what the cost would be?
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    • Profile picture of the author scrofford
      Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

      I wanted to ask the same. Does anyone know when this would be available and what the cost would be?
      I received an email about Kajabi today and they said that they will announce a definite release date in July.
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    dunno, went to the site.... looks like its a CMS solution.... no clue... all i know is i'm building something similar in WP
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary Wilhite
    Shane, I purchased Video Boss and love it. But I was thinking the same thing about the videos pages they did seem to be pre-loaded.

    You know those Guru's they all hang together. But I am going to ask Andy about that.

    I really liked it and would like to use something like that very soon. I will keep you updated on what I find out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
      Originally Posted by Mary Wilhite View Post

      Shane, I purchased Video Boss and love it. But I was thinking the same thing about the videos pages they did seem to be pre-loaded.

      You know those Guru's they all hang together. But I am going to ask Andy about that.

      I really liked it and would like to use something like that very soon. I will keep you updated on what I find out.
      I would definitely be interested in this or something like this. Let me know I would be very interested in what he says. They have a San Diego mafia sort of thing going on. lol
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      • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
        Mike Filsaime is heading in the direction of focusing on "software as a service", and I noticed that is what this website describes itself as.

        Me thinks there could be a connection...

        KJ
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        • Profile picture of the author Eric Graudins
          Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

          Mike Filsaime is heading in the direction of focusing on "software as a service"
          Yep, selling and renting shovels to the miners. A proven moneymaking strategy.

          Don't know why he's making a big song and dance of it lately.
          He's been in the services game for ages with things like paydotcom and prosender.

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    Interesting resource. Not much on the site. Is this similar to infusionsoft?
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  • Profile picture of the author Tamer
    looks like something that works by private invitation only

    Frank's & Andy's launches are even using the same page template
    + 4 pre-launch videos...etc..

    seems to me that one of them is copying from the other
    But I know that these two are having a lot of JVs together.

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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Lind
    Yes, I think it is a La Jolla mafia thing too!

    The video on the latest Kern film was a Flowplayer on the Kajabi server. I reckon Andy Jenkins is behind it?, and I hope so, although he and Jeff Walker seemed to be using Ooyala until very recently.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
      Originally Posted by Alex Lind View Post

      Yes, I think it is a La Jolla mafia thing too!

      The video on the latest Kern film was a Flowplayer on the Kajabi server. I reckon Andy Jenkins is behind it?, and I hope so, although he and Jeff Walker seemed to be using Ooyala until very recently.
      Could be a partnership with Walker and Jenkins? Has product Launch Formula like tendencies. Look forward to when it goes mainstream.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sean A McAlister
        I noticed it too during Andy's Launch....and got on their list.

        Seems that they are still in beta. I have received one email from Andy in which he and the creators of Kajabi announced that their trial run with Video Boss was a success (under extreme traffic conditions)

        Not sure what is to come but I hope it is available to the public

        All the best
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  • Profile picture of the author Ruka
    I liked the look of Frank Kern's launch, and Kajabi looks intruiging. Hope they release it soon.

    By the way, who is Andy that some people mentioned?
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    • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
      Originally Posted by chickenlittle View Post

      I liked the look of Frank Kern's launch, and Kajabi looks intruiging. Hope they release it soon.

      By the way, who is Andy that some people mentioned?
      Andy Jenkins used to be the big front man behind Stompernet. A video production genius, who was probably behind the production of Frank's launch videos.

      He definitely doesn't need more Cowbell he produces a lot of awesome stuff.

      He used to be a videographer/producer for big time movie companies and made one of his claims to fame selling movie prop swords and regalia.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
        There is of course a connection, mastmind group, share ideas. Like Frank mentioned that John, Jeff and him worked on 1 million dollar days one after another.

        Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

        I wanted to ask the same. Does anyone
        know when this would be available and what the cost would be?
        March 15th I believe, I am going to guess 2K since thats the going rate these days

        Originally Posted by Mary Wilhite View Post

        Shane, I purchased Video Boss and love it. But I was thinking the same thing about the videos pages they did seem to be pre-loaded.

        You know those Guru's they all hang together. But I am going to ask Andy about that.

        I really liked it and would like to use something like that very soon. I will keep you updated on what I find out.
        Hi Mary, I would like to hear more on Video Boss, I did not purchase it, I was on vacation during the release dates. I am curious to what is on the side

        Cheers,
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        • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
          Originally Posted by Mukul Verma View Post

          There is of course a connection, mastmind group, share ideas. Like Frank mentioned that John, Jeff and him worked on 1 million dollar days one after another.



          March 15th I believe, I am going to guess 2K since thats the going rate these days



          Hi Mary, I would like to hear more on Video Boss, I did not purchase it, I was on vacation during the release dates. I am curious to what is on the side

          Cheers,
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          Yeah, It will not be cheap. I think it will probably be a monthly fee probably with the price point of something like Traffic Geyser. IMHO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaun Lee
    Whatever it is it's not going to be cheap and it's probably going to charge monthly.

    The thing is, it's almost a perfect, semi-automated "package" to do massive product launches. The big boys are using it so it must be something.

    -Shaun
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    actually frank has his own in house video guy who is GANGSTA!
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  • Profile picture of the author archivefive
    In the List Control setup video, what is easy amazon s3 player that Frank mentions? The closest thing I could find was ezS3.com. Is that the one he's referring to?
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffczyz
    Alot of people are using EasyS3.

    The Kajabi platform is something that Andy is developing and Frank is testing for his launch. It isn't a replacement for infusionsoft from what I can tell, instead, it's a bit of a launch platform and membership site with lot's of bells and whistles. It may actually sit on top of Wordpress.

    I'm on the beta notification list and just got an update that they may be releasing something in a few months
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    • Profile picture of the author jminkler
      Originally Posted by jeffczyz View Post

      Alot of people are using EasyS3.

      The Kajabi platform is something that Andy is developing and Frank is testing for his launch. It isn't a replacement for infusionsoft from what I can tell, instead, it's a bit of a launch platform and membership site with lot's of bells and whistles. It may actually sit on top of Wordpress.

      I'm on the beta notification list and just got an update that they may be releasing something in a few months
      Actually, if this is true, and Frank was "testing" it with List Control then it's not Wordpress, it's ripped off SocialEngine code, being used Illegally.
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      • Profile picture of the author danielmcclure
        Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

        Actually, if this is true, and Frank was "testing" it with List Control then it's not Wordpress, it's ripped off SocialEngine code, being used Illegally.
        This is not true. Kajabi is completely independent from the "Good Karma List Machine" that you are refferring to. Kajabi is an internet marketing all in one solution that is being developed "in house" by some big players in the internet marketing field. Kajabi Review has a bit of information on it however the public launch isn't until May if I remember right.
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        • Profile picture of the author jminkler
          Originally Posted by danielmcclure View Post

          This is not true. Kajabi is completely independent from the "Good Karma List Machine" that you are refferring to. Kajabi is an internet marketing all in one solution that is being developed "in house" by some big players in the internet marketing field. Kajabi Review has a bit of information on it however the public launch isn't until May if I remember right.
          Then why were all the videos embedded from Kajabi? If you were following along the 4 days of emails, and the pre-emtive double opt in with referrer bonus of his previous videos, which was using ListMachine, it's pretty obvious that it's the same software. Is it not?
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      • Profile picture of the author palpatine
        Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

        Actually, if this is true, and Frank was "testing" it with List Control then it's not Wordpress, it's ripped off SocialEngine code, being used Illegally.
        Alright, what ever you're smokin........pass some over here.

        Andy Jenkins is a BADASS. Straight up. An absolute soldier.

        I'm a member of Video Boss and can tell you that his course has set a new bar as far as Video Information Products (and Launches for that matter) are concerned.

        Anyone who is a member of Video Boss can vouch for the fact that this course has been so comprehensive and so well planned out that it dwarfs almost anything in comparison (from what I've seen in my limited experience). It will be a reference point for me and many others for many years to come - I guarantee it!

        In any case, Andy has sincerely gone well above and beyond in an attempt to OVER-deliver Value to all of his Video Boss members. And he has succeeded.

        Now about Kajabi:

        I've been a member of several other membership sites and I really dig Kajabi's structure. The Q&A and commenting section is a bit different from a forum -but that is by design. Anyways, as someone else already mentioned, it's performed very well under "pressure" so to speak.

        It's still in beta mode and it won't be released to the public until it's, as Andy put it and I'm paraphrasing here, pretty much perfect. But it's supposed to be an all-in-one solution when it's finally released, which will probably be pretty soon, within a few months, if I had to guess. And believe me, if Andy said it, it will be true.

        I don't claim to know anything about software or code, and that's because I really don't, but to think that a guy like Andy Jenkins (who consistently makes millions of dollars on his products) is ripping off code and illegally using it.......probably not. I'd bet the farm on it anyways.

        Bottom line here :

        I think before you go making wild accusations about someone's business ethics and character, you should have some kind of proof first.

        I have no affiliation with Andy Jenkins, other that I am a Video Boss member and now loyal fan of his, but when he comes out with another product...... BUY IT. Thank me later.


        Sorry for the rant, but this is just my take on this.
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        • Profile picture of the author jminkler
          Originally Posted by palpatine View Post

          Alright, what ever you're smokin........pass some over here.

          Andy Jenkins is a BADASS. Straight up. An absolute soldier.

          I'm a member of Video Boss and can tell you that his course has set a new bar as far as Video Information Products (and Launches for that matter) are concerned.

          Anyone who is a member of Video Boss can vouch for the fact that this course has been so comprehensive and so well planned out that it dwarfs almost anything in comparison (from what I've seen in my limited experience). It will be a reference point for me and many others for many years to come - I guarantee it!

          In any case, Andy has sincerely gone well above and beyond in an attempt to OVER-deliver Value to all of his Video Boss members. And he has succeeded.

          Now about Kajabi:

          I've been a member of several other membership sites and I really dig Kajabi's structure. The Q&A and commenting section is a bit different from a forum -but that is by design. Anyways, as someone else already mentioned, it's performed very well under "pressure" so to speak.

          It's still in beta mode and it won't be released to the public until it's, as Andy put it and I'm paraphrasing here, pretty much perfect. But it's supposed to be an all-in-one solution when it's finally released, which will probably be pretty soon, within a few months, if I had to guess. And believe me, if Andy said it, it will be true.

          I don't claim to know anything about software or code, and that's because I really don't, but to think that a guy like Andy Jenkins (who consistently makes millions of dollars on his products) is ripping off code and illegally using it.......probably not. I'd bet the farm on it anyways.

          Bottom line here :

          I think before you go making wild accusations about someone's business ethics and character, you should have some kind of proof first.

          I have no affiliation with Andy Jenkins, other that I am a Video Boss member and now loyal fan of his, but when he comes out with another product...... BUY IT. Thank me later.


          Sorry for the rant, but this is just my take on this.
          Uhhh I DO have the proof ... duh look at the code, do some googling ..
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          • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
            The code for Good Karma has nothing at all to do with Kajabi. They are owned by two seperate people and neither has anything to do with the other.

            Kajabi code hasn't been seen by anyone outside of those directly involved with it at this point so there is no point in making guesses, regardless of how educated they may be.

            Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

            Uhhh I DO have the proof ... duh look at the code, do some googling ..
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            • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
              Originally Posted by Johnny Slater View Post

              Kajabi code hasn't been seen by anyone outside of those directly involved with it at this point so there is no point in making guesses, regardless of how educated they may be.
              Correct. No one has ever seen the code. It's obviously a mixup by Jminkler.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    They are getting into the software business for IM, Andy Kajabi will likely be a household name
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  • Profile picture of the author simonjwarner
    Just had an offer of 6 months Kajabi as Andy Jenkins list control bonus, looks awesome!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tamer
      Originally Posted by thehypnoman View Post

      Just had an offer of 6 months Kajabi as Andy Jenkins list control bonus, looks awesome!

      Yes, I got this offer as well...

      In his email, Andy revealed some more info about "Kajabi"


      From one place, Kajabi lets you:
      Create - Marketing Landing Pages, Squeeze Pages, Video Engagement Pages, Product Information Pages, Sales Letters, and much more - All from a flexible WYSIWYG Online Editor. No Coding Required (But welcome for extreme flexibility)


      Promote - Using Cloud Computing Technology, you can publish anything you create with Kajabi instantly to the web - with theoretically infinitely scalable virtual hardware resources.


      Sell - Use Kajabi's integrated shopping cart engine, or plug in your current solution so your customers experience is consistent and friendly.

      Publish and Protect - Using Kajabi's Membership Module, you can deliver rich multi-media content and community interactivity, all while protecting your content from unauthorized access. Installation is easy because... there is NO installation - it's all part of the package.
      Looks like a all-in-one marketing solution...

      I wonder how much would it cost (i.e. without buying the LC course). :rolleyes:

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  • Profile picture of the author Anonymous Affiliate
    I've been following both Kajabi launches and it doesnt seem like anything you couldn't easily implement with Wordpress+aMember or Wordpress+Wishlist

    I mean, is there any "magic" running on the background that I am not aware off? because I've been running these pre-programmed launches for like a year using Wordpress+Amember without a problem.
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    For the record, dear friends:

    1. Kajabi is a completely new, engineered from the ground up Ruby on Rails Cloud Hosted application. I've never heard of "SocialEngine Code", making it a 100% safe bet that Kajabi is not a rip off of anything, or using anything illegally. Period.

    2. It's not Wordpress either. See above.

    3. Frank did launch List Control on Kajabi because he adored how smooth the Video Boss launch on Kajabi went. Thus far, Frank's comment about Kajabi has been "God's Gift to Internet Marketing".

    4. I own Kajabi. I have 2 partners as well, but they're not "In the business". You don't know them. Yet.

    5. Palpatine - you're a straight up gangster. XOXO
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    • Profile picture of the author jeffczyz
      Andy,

      Thanks for clearing up the Wordpress question. I'm a VB member and the members area rocks...looking forward to more about the platform.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
      Originally Posted by Andy Jenkins View Post

      For the record, dear friends:

      1. Kajabi is a completely new, engineered from the ground up Ruby on Rails Cloud Hosted application. I've never heard of "SocialEngine Code", making it a 100% safe bet that Kajabi is not a rip off of anything, or using anything illegally. Period.

      2. It's not Wordpress either. See above.

      3. Frank did launch List Control on Kajabi because he adored how smooth the Video Boss launch on Kajabi went. Thus far, Frank's comment about Kajabi has been "God's Gift to Internet Marketing".

      4. I own Kajabi. I have 2 partners as well, but they're not "In the business". You don't know them. Yet.

      5. Palpatine - you're a straight up gangster. XOXO
      Thanks Andy for clearing it up! Good post here! I saw the Video Boss launch then List Control very smooth and clean. Ruby on Rails is freaking awesome stuff!
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      Originally Posted by Andy Jenkins View Post

      For the record, dear friends:

      1. Kajabi is a completely new, engineered from the ground up Ruby on Rails Cloud Hosted application. I've never heard of "SocialEngine Code", making it a 100% safe bet that Kajabi is not a rip off of anything, or using anything illegally. Period.

      2. It's not Wordpress either. See above.

      3. Frank did launch List Control on Kajabi because he adored how smooth the Video Boss launch on Kajabi went. Thus far, Frank's comment about Kajabi has been "God's Gift to Internet Marketing".

      4. I own Kajabi. I have 2 partners as well, but they're not "In the business". You don't know them. Yet.

      5. Palpatine - you're a straight up gangster. XOXO
      Well then by now you have heard of SocialEngine code ...
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      • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
        Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

        Uhhh I DO have the proof ... duh look at the code, do some googling ..
        Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

        Well then by now you have heard of SocialEngine code ...

        Jminkler, Not to discount what you are saying but can you explain your proof more in detail? Using examples other than "Googling", maybe factual data?

        Also, are you a member of Video Boss? I am just curious how you are able to look at the actual source code of Kajabi and prove that it is a part of Social Engine code.

        I looked at the site and it looks a bit different as for structure. To me Kajabi doesn't look as complex as social code... Plus it is Ruby on Rails
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGrandstaff
    What Jarret is referring to is the "Good Karma List Machine" software that Frank gave away during his LC launch, not the Kajabi platform.

    Ain't that right Jarret?
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    Clearly, one person is talking about the code from Good Karma List Machine - which I do NOT have any stake in, and did NOT develop.

    The others are talking about Kajabi, which is the platform used to launch and deliver List Control and Video Boss (and another launch coming in a few weeks).

    Jminkler, I think you MUST be talking about Good Karma List Machine, because to date, ZERO source code from Kajabi has been exposed, and will not be exposed unless it's in the form of a SDK.

    Be of good cheer and verify that you are talking about Good Karma List Machine so you do not continue to make baseless statements about code you have not seen. Perhaps this is all just semantics.

    Then we can all smile, shake virtual hands, and go on about our business.

    And having done some very quick research into this "Drama", it appears that some code that was used for GKLM was under GPL. Finally, ANY code that was used for GKLM was used by a 3rd party Contract-Developer - not Frank Kern, as we ALL know that Frank has difficulty with iTunes, let alone Information Technology.

    This all smells like a witch hunt. Maybe it's just me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
      Originally Posted by Andy Jenkins View Post

      Clearly, one person is talking about the code from Good Karma List Machine - which I do NOT have any stake in, and did NOT develop.

      The others are talking about Kajabi, which is the platform used to launch and deliver List Control and Video Boss (and another launch coming in a few weeks).

      Jminkler, I think you MUST be talking about Good Karma List Machine, because to date, ZERO source code from Kajabi has been exposed, and will not be exposed unless it's in the form of a SDK.

      Be of good cheer and verify that you are talking about Good Karma List Machine so you do not continue to make baseless statements about code you have not seen. Perhaps this is all just semantics.

      Then we can all smile, shake virtual hands, and go on about our business.

      And having done some very quick research into this "Drama", it appears that some code that was used for GKLM was under GPL. Finally, ANY code that was used for GKLM was used by a 3rd party Contract-Developer - not Frank Kern, as we ALL know that Frank has difficulty with iTunes, let alone Information Technology.

      This all smells like a witch hunt. Maybe it's just me.
      Thanks Andy for Clearing this up, I started this post in good intentions because of pure enjoyment of the Kajabi platform. I did not know it would take a course to turn into a "Big Drama Broadway Play"
      Once again, Thanks! Maybe this thread can finally be closed!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
      I really wish I had access to Kajabi. I know that some of what I'm currently doing is very similar but unitl Kajabi launches I'll just have to hope I have enough to maintain a decent USP. lol

      Originally Posted by Andy Jenkins View Post

      Jminkler, I think you MUST be talking about Good Karma List Machine, because to date, ZERO source code from Kajabi has been exposed, and will not be exposed unless it's in the form of a SDK.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
      Originally Posted by Andy Jenkins View Post

      ...as we ALL know that Frank has difficulty with iTunes, let alone Information Technology....
      lol...Maybe he can outsource the iTunes playlist management.
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      • Profile picture of the author magentawave
        I guess everyone knows now that the next big Kajabi launch Andy mentioned previously is currently Jeff Walkers Product Launch Formula.

        I wonder if Andy could chime in here, please and por favor senor, and let us know if Kajabi will work for something like Ryan Deiss's Perpetual Launch Formula because thats they way I'll be doing my launch in about 6 weeks.

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    • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
      Originally Posted by Andy Jenkins View Post

      Clearly, one person is talking about the code from Good Karma List Machine - which I do NOT have any stake in, and did NOT develop.

      The others are talking about Kajabi, which is the platform used to launch and deliver List Control and Video Boss (and another launch coming in a few weeks).

      Jminkler, I think you MUST be talking about Good Karma List Machine, because to date, ZERO source code from Kajabi has been exposed, and will not be exposed unless it's in the form of a SDK.

      Be of good cheer and verify that you are talking about Good Karma List Machine so you do not continue to make baseless statements about code you have not seen. Perhaps this is all just semantics.

      Then we can all smile, shake virtual hands, and go on about our business.

      And having done some very quick research into this "Drama", it appears that some code that was used for GKLM was under GPL. Finally, ANY code that was used for GKLM was used by a 3rd party Contract-Developer - not Frank Kern, as we ALL know that Frank has difficulty with iTunes, let alone Information Technology.

      This all smells like a witch hunt. Maybe it's just me.
      I am eagerly waiting for Kajabi to release asap because it probably removes the headaches of designing and setting up your sales landing page almost completely.

      BTW, I am the biggest Andy Jenkins fan and I am looking to promote Kajabi.

      Would appreciate if you Andy could tell us if you're going to have an affiliate program for this one?

      Ronak "Andy Jenkins Fan" Shah
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