MLM?

14 years ago

Ah yes the 3 letter word. I think this can work if you are early on in the gig, eventually the down the line you might be left out. People leave mlm's and join the next greatest thing. I'm thinking about MLM myself because of the leverage that you receive by strengthening your team to work for you. It really is all about who you bring into your team, this structure is making people wealthy just like any other opportunity, you just have to stick with it. MLM is better then cash gifting, anyday..LOL

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fasteasysuccess 14 years ago

absolutely, whether you're doing a mlm or any business opportunity make sure you are constantly promoting and marketing you and working with you not the company. A lot of people with mlms or business opportunities make money and move on to next deal.

You might notice unfortunately the ones that actually do stay in a while with an opportunity and are making major money dissapear into some witness protection program after you pay them.

So the best advice is to learn as much about what you want to do and start taking action right away. Don't wait until everything is perfect, just get out there and do it.
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  How do cycling boards work and how many offers are out there for this type of thing? I will ask my partner about this but for now im asking you guys! And how does residual income work with this. I dont quite understand the term downline. Is it like a pyramid where eventually you will take a piece of the cake from everyone that is working underneath you?
  
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  Residual income works like this: if I recruit bobby into my business and bobby recruits tom , I make money every time bobby recruits or makes sales. I don't have to do anything after I recruit bobby, he is making money for me while I sleep. The more you recruit the more passive sales you collect from the people you have recruited. The term down line simply means the people that you recruit. You can go to google, type in mlm, go to show options and then click on the discussion tab on the left hand side of the page. Plenty of information and opportunities.
  
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AskShawn

14 years ago

Yes you earn a commission of the sales from the the people that sign in up under you. As long as they stay in and keep ordering the required monthly volume you get paid.

To really be success in MLM either you or someone you recruit up under you needs to be very good at team building and motivating others.

Basically the people under you need to be able to duplicate what you do and the people under them need to be able to duplicate what they do. It's doable but it is a lot of work involved.

If MLM is something that entices you then I would look very seriously at doing Affiliate Marketing. A different monster in itself but basically the same principle (earning a commission) except the pay and rewards are much greater!

You can also try both and see how you like it.

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Anthony K 14 years ago

What, the pay is greater with affiliate marketing? Id think they would be equal? Maybe im wrong . I have been trying affilaite marketing and have made a couple sales.
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AskShawn

14 years ago

Depending on the affiliate program you can earn between 10% - 75% commission per sale. The most powerful thing about affiliate marketing if you structure it properly is that you can create a massive list of your own customers whereby you build - Grow you Own Business - Build Your Own Database of clients you can market to and send affiliate offers over and over again.

With MLM - granted you're getting residual you're really building someone else's business. If the MLM business goes bankrupt or goes out of business then you basically lose all that hard work that maybe took you years to build.

Always build a list (database) of leads for your own business first. Preferably a database of buyers. Promote a MLM business passively and as a secondary business. Not as a main business and you will come out better in the long run.

Remember people buy into you first before they ever think about joining your MLM venture.

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Anthony K 14 years ago

Thanks so much Shawn. That has made me decide that I will work on being my own boss. Just a quick question though, as I am new to this, how can I effectively add a list to a pre existing website I own. Its a wordpress website to be exact. Where can I read up on more of this.
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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

MLM is a farce.

Don't join any MLM. Ever!

Also, be careful of newer people here who sometimes start threads about MLM to get people interested in the MLM they themselves are promoting.

When you do MLM you are ALWAYS minding someone else's business, no matter what your upline tells you.

You want to know whose dream you're really building in MLM? Hint: It's NEVER yours. No matter what your upline tells you.

All the best,
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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

Another thing.

Passive income in MLM is a myth.

A complete, 100% lie.

But don't worry, if this thread stays up for any amount of time, you will see the Kool-Aid drinkers popping in with their "arguments" about why I am wrong. I'm not worried, as I have something on my side that's very difficult to beat...it's called the "truth". But I know how foreign that concept is to all of the MLM zombies out there.

No worries. Everybody is entitled to throw their money away on anything they choose.

~Michael

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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by george42

Hi.

I want to ask somebody if want to enjoy working in Telecomunication Company like agent to sell they poducts around 19% from sell. is something like MLM but is not.
Email me with subject Details
You can make a lot of money is not joke!

Proving, once again, the dpeths some people have to go to, to get people to join their "business".

If it's so great, then why isn't everyone doing it? (Yes, I learned all the pat answers to that question, too).

If it's so great, then why do you have to spam a forum?

"...like MLM but it is not." = "It's MLM, but I know if I call it that, then some people will be turned off by it."

Glad to be of assistance.

Oh, and, yes, it IS a joke.

~Michael

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c0rv3tt3 14 years ago

Legalized pyramid schemes is all they are.
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Joe Benjamin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

MLM is a farce.

Don't join any MLM. Ever!

Also, be careful of newer people here who sometimes start threads about MLM to get people interested in the MLM they themselves are promoting.

When you do MLM you are ALWAYS minding someone else's business, no matter what your upline tells you.

You want to know whose dream you're really building in MLM? Hint: It's NEVER yours. No matter what your upline tells you.

All the best,
Michael

Funny you say that Mike...

Yes, people spam threads all the time (the person above just spammed this thread so to speak about telecommunications - I'll give you that)...

But do you not know that people spam forums all the time for products completely unrelated to the MLM/Network/Direct Sales market?

Have you not yourself made a thread or made a post with the intention in the back of your mind that you COULD get a lot of "looksies" on your signature if it's really good?

What you DON'T know is I personally know a millionaire who has made hundreds and thousands WEEKLY from a very popular travel network marketing business - and he's helped several others make similar (even more) money in the same business, I know this because...

I've seen it with my own two eyes.

I'm curious Mike...is it possible you had a bad experience with the market, or know someone who has?

Because my experience with it has been the complete opposite.

But hey...what can I say.

I'm not here to convince anybody of anything - but simply inviting the OP to weight the comments for himself

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Another thing.

Passive income in MLM is a myth.

A complete, 100% lie.

But don't worry, if this thread stays up for any amount of time, you will see the Kool-Aid drinkers popping in with their "arguments" about why I am wrong. I'm not worried, as I have something on my side that's very difficult to beat...it's called the "truth". But I know how foreign that concept is to all of the MLM zombies out there.

No worries. Everybody is entitled to throw their money away on anything they choose.

~Michael

Actually, passive income is real. I've done it, and I've personally helped others do it.

Can't argue with you...clearly your passionate about telling other people they can't do something if it doesn't work - for you. That's fine. Because I' am proof the business works and it's not the way you perceive it.

But is it healthy for others to be swayed by your negative experiences (assuming it was negative?

I don't know. If there's a group consensus it could actually save people time. Kinda like being told not to put your hand on the fire because it's hot - but it's not just you - alot of people have been burned.

But now you have a problem when your negative experiences clash with my all but positive experiences with the business (and those I've dealt with)

Two sides to the same coin. I flipped it right and got heads...you flipped it wrong and got tails.

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Proving, once again, the dpeths some people have to go to, to get people to join their "business".

If it's so great, then why isn't everyone doing it? (Yes, I learned all the pat answers to that question, too).

If it's so great, then why do you have to spam a forum?

"...like MLM but it is not." = "It's MLM, but I know if I call it that, then some people will be turned off by it."

Glad to be of assistance.

Oh, and, yes, it IS a joke.

~Michael

Ouch. Your on fire today

Originally Posted by sudysharma

This is the biggest scam someone came up with. For average Joe it sound good but you know what all the money is made in this scheme is from you the affiliate. for example when you join mlm you have to buy your own product and then you have to let other try it see if they like it and then if they like the product (which is usually short lived) then they order, then you make few penny here and there. well in short would not mlm ever again even though i have tried in past and it left the bitter taste in my mouth. I guess some times its sucks to be you.

Sudy Sharma

Good example of someone elses negative experiences possibly influencing the decision of someone elses.

Not a bad thing by any means, but have you ever considered why there are successful people in the business?

It's like saying I'm no good at writing articles, so article marketing sucks and no one should do it - because it never worked for me...but it's clear there are alot of people who are somehow getting it to work for them.

Nothing wrong with admitting you never got it to work for you, but you can go here and here to get more information from someone who's clearly successful in the business...

So with that said, I invite the OP to check out a guy by the name of:

Mike Dillard of Magnetic Sponsoring Fame. Google Him. You'll learn what you need to know from a master in the field (and it's not all the cold-calling, harrasing family junk you hear about)

Cheers,

Josef Benjamin

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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

I don't do MLM. Don't have a problem with it I just don't like depending on a down line for my income .

I do use the funded proposal to build some of my list with though

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It's not.

It's even worse.

It's a poxy revolting "funded proposal".

Anyway, we've already had one MLM thread, this weekend. And great fun it was, too: Here it is.

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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by WhoIsBenjamin

Have you not yourself made a thread or made a post with the intention in the back of your mind that you COULD get a lot of "looksies" on your signature if it's really good?

Cheers,

Josef Benjamin

Not even once.

Others may, but I don't, nor will I.

It's kind of sad that anybody would assume that all people here resort to such behavior.

So, you can assume all you want, but in this case your assumption is as wrong as it is insulting.

All the best,
Michael

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Joe Benjamin

14 years ago

To the original poster.

You'll typically get responses from people who are clearly
ignorant on the subject, and feel they need to put in
their two cents when it's hardly worth that.

As far as I'm concerned, you're much better off leaving
this thread to die and going to the masters of the business.

I've lost respect from people who I thought was respectful,
clearly...even I fail in judgment sometimes.

Good Night, And Good Luck (<-----murrow fan)

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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by WhoIsBenjamin

To the original poster.

You'll typically get responses from people who are clearly
ignorant on the subject, and feel they need to put in
their two cents when it's hardly worth that.

As far as I'm concerned, you're much better off leaving
this thread to die and going to the masters of the business.

I've lost respect from people who I thought was respectful,
clearly...even I fail in judgment sometimes.

Good Night, And Good Luck (<-----murrow fan)

No need to lose respect for people having a strong opinion.

What really happens with these threads is that they usually end up about 50/50 for and against MLM. This one is mostly against, but that isn't typical for these threads.

Why not get a differing opinion?

Any time I start a thread I EXPECT to hear differing viewpoints - some of which I won't agree with. That's what happens on a forum.

Also, I am not ignorant on the subject, at all. But your making that claim does make me wonder why you are getting so defensive.

Furthermore, I stand by my comment on 100% passive income.

IT DOES NOT EXIST.

Show me that it does, and I WILL change my mind.

See, the problem is that in MLMs you have to "remain in qualification" to collect money from your downline's sales. That means you have to be ACITVE which is the opposite of passive.

However, if there is an exception, and you have proof, and it is passive, then I really would like to know.

All the best,
Michael

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Troy_Phillips

14 years ago

Reported . Go spam a forum where members do not care about their own community . Not going to work here .

Originally Posted by george42

Hi.

I want to ask somebody if want to enjoy working in Telecomunication Company like agent to sell they poducts around 19% from sell. is something like MLM but is not.
Email me with subject Details
You can make a lot of money is not joke!

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Anthony K

14 years ago

:O :O :O Oh wow, im so sorry guys, I really didnt know that MLM was, how do I put this, a heated topic? Anyways, Im sorry to have been a nuisance!

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Tsnyder

14 years ago

No problem, Anthony... there is so much misinformation and
downright ignorance of the subject in this thread you won't
learn anything from it anyway.

Tsnyder

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simonjwarner

14 years ago

So what is the difference betwen MLM and a pyramid scheme?

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In my opinion MLM is just enlarging your team capacity.

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Michael Oksa 14 years ago

Originally Posted by jpattric2

In my opinion MLM is just enlarging your team capacity.

There's a lot of truth to your point. When you do things right in MLM, you do increase your ability to earn from those below you, and earn additional bonuses.

However, it's always at the expense of somebody else, and it's still not your OWN business.

The best way to make money with MLM is to start one.

Other than that, increasing your team capacity is a great idea, but for your own business, not somebody else's.

All the best,
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DogScout

14 years ago

If you are able to recruit 3 or more networking gurus with large herds below you, then all you need do is scour the net for the 'next big thing' and get those gurus to sign under you. They in turn will get their herds to sign under them until the thing bottoms out, but by then you've found anther opportunity.

The trouble begins with those at the bottom that are continually told, "you're just not working it right" or "you just need to work harder". then they have to attend all these meetings, some of which sell products to 'help' them sell the opportunity, further making those near the top rich. (Drink the pink kool-aid...it's good for you!")

There are some MLMs that are OK and offer a real value. I once joined one that saved me more than the price of joining on travel than it cost to join. And that was comparing it to expedia, travelosity and the travel carriers own in-house discounts. BUT if I wasn't going to use it, I never would have saved that money.

For me, I think I, personally am just a poor 'network' marketer. I am not cut out for the MLM world. The real MLM's that have actual value beyond selling them are few and far between. And even they become 'full' eventually. (or 'difficult' if you prefer'.) I just have a problem with selling something I don't 100% believe in. And the most lucrative MLMs seem to fall into that category, (for me).

This must sound like a strange post from someone who spent 27 very successful years in the car biz, but people do need cars and I was always honest and fair with every single client. (Perhaps why I was so much more successful than the 95% that felt like they needed to 'mis-lead' in order to feed their families.) My old car dealership owner used to say, "Honesty is the number one handicap in business." And he is probably right to a point. The point being, honesty isn't really a handicap, but the belief that it is, causes many to violate there own values and beliefs and justify it with "I need to do this to support my family, therefore, 'mis-leading' is the lesser of two evils." Truth is, honesty in business, while it may cost a deal here and there will get many more deals you never would have seen. 75% of my sales where to people who had bought from me before and would not buy from anyone else, because that was the 1st time they were not lied to. When I left where I was working, sales went down over 33%.

What does that all have to do with MLMs? I don't have a clue.

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